At least in the beta stress, the arrows just allowed rearranging to something more intuitive for the player. The elite is defined by the channeled legend.
So it is a very good question because it’s hard to see how it would work, other than letting people have a subset of utilities that aren’t revenant specific that they can swap in to replace the revenant ones, perhaps choosing them for each legend.
I guess it will depend on the existing skills which ever race you pick.
He’s asking whether or not racial skills that are currently in the game will change depending on the Legend that you’re channeling… Or if they would even have access to them.
well since racials are weaker compared to other elites, its not much of a loss.
I do however worry how restrictive the revenant will be with weapon locked and utility and elite locked times 2 aswell.
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It works for the elementalist due to 4 attunements thats 40 skills and engineer due to kits (5 brand new weapon skills each) and utilitys giving you extra skills in your toolbelt, but reventant same skills as every other class only no way to change anything at all.
I guess it will depend on the existing skills which ever race you pick.
He’s asking whether or not racial skills that are currently in the game will change depending on the Legend that you’re channeling… Or if they would even have access to them.
Yes, I was wondering if revenant would have access to the already existing pool of racial skills that exist in game for every other class. I wasn’t even considering the idea of them changing based on legend (although not entirely unprecedented considering engineer toolbelt versions of racials), just will they have them at all.
Currently I’m guessing all signs point to no unless anet says otherwise?
Currently I’m guessing all signs point to no unless anet says otherwise?
Not really. All signs point to nothing since absolutely nothing in either direction has been suggested.
Personally I would love racial legends, even if they were a bit weaker than normal legends. It would be quite flavorful. Although it might be too much work for too small gains.
I’d say it is quite a loss. I frequently use Hidden Pistol and Battle Roar on some of my characters in some areas. Hidden Pistol made Lupicus a lot easier on my Necromancer and Battle Roar is just a flat free fury and might whenever I don’t have a use for a different utility. Granted it’s not like the class will be unplayable without, but I would like to have an extra evade or might/fury generator instead of for example Banish Enchantment on mobs which don’t apply boons.
i actually really love the idea of a full Legend for each race, didn’t even think of that
it’s only 4 skills each, not unlike what they did with the Engineer
i assumed this thread was, as mentioned by the op them self, talking about simply swapping out current revenant skills for existing racial skills
even if the entire legend is horrible, it’s not like the existing racial skills are in a perfect position, either, so, why not…minus the fact that it might also remove the swapping-in-already-existing-ones, since, as noted by someone, people do like the Battle Roar and Hidden Pistol, and i can only assume Sylvari’s immobilize is helpful in specific situations
To be honest, I reckon they’ll just be as they are at the moment, with no change whichever legend you have equipped – unless they change racial skills for the other 8 professions as well for balance.
For example: A Norn Revenant will still be able to summon a wurm and turn into Raven just like a Norn Thief or a Norn Necromancer. Their Wurm & raven skill I reckon will only change under what legend you have if they change the way they work under other classes too (i.e. what attunement you have as an elementalist, what virtues you have charged as Guardian, how much adrenaline you have as Warrior etc), as otherwise they will still only be ‘racial’ skills for the traditional eight professions.
As it would be a bigger overhaul than it seems to keep racial skills balanced, I can’t see Revenants having more than one version of each of their racial skills, but I also can’t see revenants not having racial skills either.
Currently I’m guessing all signs point to no unless anet says otherwise?
Not really. All signs point to nothing since absolutely nothing in either direction has been suggested.
Not quite. While the fact that beta event revenants didn’t have access to racial skills is not by itself a definite answer, it still is an information. So does the dev information about heal, utility and elite skills beling locked to a legend used (though with a notice, that it’s not yet final decision and still being considered).
So yes, currently all signs point to revenants not being able to use racial skills. Unless anet decides otherwise later on. The same for Mist Wolf deluxe edition elite, or the Antitoxin Spray healing skill.
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If things worked the way they did in beta Revanants would have extremely limited build customization options. They would ONLY be able to make up to 4 build choices (1-2 weapon choices and 2 legendary stances) That doesn’t seem like what’s going to happen.
Every other class gets to mix and match many different utility/heal/elite skills. And you unlock all that with skill points. Revenants would have a lot of extra skill points and a very small amount of customization.
I’m sure the utilities were hard set only for demo purposes just like the only weapon sets they gave access to were hammer and mace/axe.
Revenant having a legend to channel based on race would be cool, but it wouldn’t quite work the same as other professions. Such as our current ability to include a single racial ability into our build, instead of in the case of the Revenant channeling a racial legendary, where he’d be forced to take an entire bar of mostly useless racial skills.
The easiest way to implement the racial skills for Revenant is to allow racial skills to be slotted in like normal. However, the best way to implement would be to integrate those racial skills into the Revenant channeled legends as alternate options.
To be honest, I reckon they’ll just be as they are at the moment, with no change whichever legend you have equipped – unless they change racial skills for the other 8 professions as well for balance.
For example: A Norn Revenant will still be able to summon a wurm and turn into Raven just like a Norn Thief or a Norn Necromancer. Their Wurm & raven skill I reckon will only change under what legend you have if they change the way they work under other classes too (i.e. what attunement you have as an elementalist, what virtues you have charged as Guardian, how much adrenaline you have as Warrior etc), as otherwise they will still only be ‘racial’ skills for the traditional eight professions.
As it would be a bigger overhaul than it seems to keep racial skills balanced, I can’t see Revenants having more than one version of each of their racial skills, but I also can’t see revenants not having racial skills either.
Just plain out no to this. There is no reason for other professions to get something simply because another profession has it. That’s just childish. Since when has balance ever been associated with racial skills? Since when has anyone ever complained that Engineers get toolbelt abilities for each racial skill and no one else does? Just…..no.
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Revenant having a legend to channel based on race would be cool, but it wouldn’t quite work the same as other professions. Such as our current ability to include a single racial ability into our build, instead of in the case of the Revenant channeling a racial legendary, where he’d be forced to take an entire bar of mostly useless racial skills.
The easiest way to implement the racial skills for Revenant is to allow racial skills to be slotted in like normal. However, the best way to implement would be to integrate those racial skills into the Revenant channeled legends as alternate options.
To be honest, I reckon they’ll just be as they are at the moment, with no change whichever legend you have equipped – unless they change racial skills for the other 8 professions as well for balance.
For example: A Norn Revenant will still be able to summon a wurm and turn into Raven just like a Norn Thief or a Norn Necromancer. Their Wurm & raven skill I reckon will only change under what legend you have if they change the way they work under other classes too (i.e. what attunement you have as an elementalist, what virtues you have charged as Guardian, how much adrenaline you have as Warrior etc), as otherwise they will still only be ‘racial’ skills for the traditional eight professions.
As it would be a bigger overhaul than it seems to keep racial skills balanced, I can’t see Revenants having more than one version of each of their racial skills, but I also can’t see revenants not having racial skills either.
Just plain out no to this. There is no reason for other professions to get something simply because another profession has it. That’s just childish. Since when has balance ever been associated with racial skills? Since when has anyone ever complained that Engineers get toolbelt abilities for each racial skill and no one else does? Just…..no.
Yeah, there is no way Rev is getting special treatment because it’s a new profession. The only thing I see “racial” is the healing skills.
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Revenant having a legend to channel based on race would be cool, but it wouldn’t quite work the same as other professions. Such as our current ability to include a single racial ability into our build, instead of in the case of the Revenant channeling a racial legendary, where he’d be forced to take an entire bar of mostly useless racial skills.
The easiest way to implement the racial skills for Revenant is to allow racial skills to be slotted in like normal. However, the best way to implement would be to integrate those racial skills into the Revenant channeled legends as alternate options.
To be honest, I reckon they’ll just be as they are at the moment, with no change whichever legend you have equipped – unless they change racial skills for the other 8 professions as well for balance.
For example: A Norn Revenant will still be able to summon a wurm and turn into Raven just like a Norn Thief or a Norn Necromancer. Their Wurm & raven skill I reckon will only change under what legend you have if they change the way they work under other classes too (i.e. what attunement you have as an elementalist, what virtues you have charged as Guardian, how much adrenaline you have as Warrior etc), as otherwise they will still only be ‘racial’ skills for the traditional eight professions.
As it would be a bigger overhaul than it seems to keep racial skills balanced, I can’t see Revenants having more than one version of each of their racial skills, but I also can’t see revenants not having racial skills either.
Just plain out no to this. There is no reason for other professions to get something simply because another profession has it. That’s just childish. Since when has balance ever been associated with racial skills? Since when has anyone ever complained that Engineers get toolbelt abilities for each racial skill and no one else does? Just…..no.
You’ve clearly mis-understood my post and I don’t understand the hostility in your reply.
The only thing “lol” worthy is the fact that people keep posting the same ignorant statement that has been explained multiple times.
He’s referring to questioning how racial abilities will be used as a revenant because their utilities are legend-locked and currently they have no access to racial skills.
The OP isn’t even confusing about it. USE racials.
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I actually use racial skills when I’m just messing around in PvE, since every race has at least one fun racial, and prayer to dwayna is my favorite non-ranger heal. So I will be sad if racials aren’t at least slottable in place of a legend’s skills.
Racial legends would be cool, but are almost certainly too resource intensive to get serious consideration. But it would be pretty neat if they had an extra legend that reskinned/different animation depending on the revs race. That would at least cut down on balance issues since every race would technically have the same options, just differently flavored.
Still, I would be very happy with just the normal racial options. Imagine the horror of playing a sylvari that can’t attack you with flowers!
Let me put it like this: There may be new skills tied with the specialization system that you can use with the Rev( Healing, Elites, etc), but it is in no way it will have a racially based legend. It seems pointless and hard to balance something like that across ALL races. As it was said before, its a profession not a race.
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Let me put it like this: There may be new skills tied with the specialization system that you can use with the Rev( Healing, Elites, etc), but it is in no way it will have a racially based legend. It seems pointless and hard to balance something like that across ALL races. As it was said before, its a profession not a race.
Engineer got unique racials due to class mechanism. It’s not totally out of the picture, though, unlikely that they will create special legends. The “profession not a race” argument has no point in this thread as it is simply asking how we will handle racials at all, not assuming we will get unique ones.
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Let me put it like this: There may be new skills tied with the specialization system that you can use with the Rev( Healing, Elites, etc), but it is in no way it will have a racially based legend. It seems pointless and hard to balance something like that across ALL races. As it was said before, its a profession not a race.
Engineer got unique racials due to class mechanism. It’s not totally out of the picture, though, unlikely that they will create special legends. The “profession not a race” argument has no point in this thread as it is simply asking how we will handle racials at all, not assuming we will get unique ones.
I wasn’t saying zero racial skills at all, just stating there won’t be any Legends for all classes. To put it like this: Let’s say every race DOES indeed have a legend. With every legend there are skills attatched. How in the world do you expect EVERY skill of EVERY racial based Legend to be balanced?
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