Guild Wars 2

I’m not an engineer, but I like the name, more-so than the forge, though for the record I was ok with forge as a name, scrapper is much better than dragonhunter and definitely fits with the hammer as a weapon

@Alecu … forge is a “thing” ….. scrapper could be a “person”. Maybe you mean Forger?

misterman.1530:

Sorry. What will happen, if the Elite spec is underpowered or useless to play, people will call it The Crapper.

This is the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the name.

I can see the thinking behind the name, i.e. a scrapper being someone who deals with scrap metal etc. while also meaning someone who gets into “scraps” or “fights”.

But you can’t spell Scrapper with out “crap”.

Orpheal.8263:

Fact is, wouldn’t I have participated in the Horizontal Character Progression CDI and presentated there the idea, that it would be a great way to give the game more horizontal progression via Sub Classes (and Elite Specializations are essentially nothing else than that, just with a different term to avoid the usage of the generic term of Sub Class, whats in per se a wise decision and something I would have never thought about), I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t end up now with Elite Specializations and who knows, maybe would get back something silly like the Dual Class System of GW1 back instead or get somethign even completrely different.

You know, i would prefer to get the “silly” dual class system of gw1 instead of elite specializations. Not saying i dislike the specializations but the possibilities with choosing a secondary profession would be amazing as opposed to this limited something we get.

I’m not a huge fan, “Forge” sounded better, but at least it’s better than Daredevil, and WAY better than Dragon Hunter.

I’m ambivalent. The name doesn’t matter so much when the concept itself is so stupid. It doesn’t do anything to undo the damage done to the class by the update, and if the fellow in charge of the elite spec had even remotely anything to do with that update then I see nothing to be excited over -apart from additional worrying over how much worse it could be than what we currently have.

Iozeph.5617:

It doesn’t do anything to undo the damage done to the class by the update…

Really, 7 Especs in and you haven’t noticed that’s not and never will be the point of Especs?

Balance changes can and will continue to be made to the core professions. The battle you’re fighting can only be won there, not in a trait line only available to max level characters with a ton of extra hero-points laying around.

So what is the point then? Gutting non-Elite trait lines to build stupid, gimmicky ‘Elite’ specs, which are anything but Elite? To have yet another busted leap ability that glitches? What was the brainstorm on that one? Let’s have a profession that more or less sort of worked before butchered in order to fill out what basically amounts to another flavor of imbalanced/unbalanced fail? So that apart from the jungle themed rubbish, which is going to be abandoned in quick fashion, they’ll be able to say they delivered ‘something?’ Oh right- and part of that something is promoting raiding.

The battle -whatever that is- is a non-event. They’re going to do/have done what they want with professions. They’ve done a bang up job perverting the Engineer.

Complaining and then getting over it is about all that ever comes of this. I just did mine here. So whatever.

My only objection to the name is that I am not clear about how it should be treated by charr, both the Scrappers themselves (who may or may not be scrappers in the charr sense) and the rest of charr society.

Beyond that, however, it is perfect for what the elite specialisation is supposed to be. Both (or all three, if the above objection is resolved) meanings of it work nicely.

yes its a great name, forge sounds more like an item than a class. so glad it ended up being scrapper, plus it even has interesting lore

Goatjugsoup.8637:

yes its a great name, forge sounds more like an item than a class. so glad it ended up being scrapper, plus it even has interesting lore

Forge is just an other word for Smith … rolleyes and THAT IS A PROFESSION, itx just missing an R (Forger) for more correct grammar to realize, that a person/profession is meant and not the place at work of a Smith.

http://www.dict.cc/?s=Schmied

See the 3rd Entry (Smith = Schmied)
Forge = Schmiede and with Schmiede (Forge) is meant the working place of a Smith (Forger)

smekras.8203:

My only objection to the name is that I am not clear about how it should be treated by charr, both the Scrappers themselves (who may or may not be scrappers in the charr sense) and the rest of charr society.

Beyond that, however, it is perfect for what the elite specialisation is supposed to be. Both (or all three, if the above objection is resolved) meanings of it work nicely.

Well what would the other races say to the Charr or the Charr Scrappers who mention their definition of the term to them? And what do you think a Charr would say to an Engineer Charr with the Scrapper spec?

Language and culture is a lot more malleable than you think.

To answer my own questions: Likely, the other races will speak of their definitions and then the term will have a different meaning in the context of the other races interacting with the Charr. If said Charr Scrapper finds the term insulting coming from some they will likely make that fact known and warn them not to address them as such. In regards to Charr speaking with other Charr, they aren’t strangers to jabbing each other with words or outright insulting other Charr of other Legions. However, if that Charr Engineer outranks them, they may never attempt to address them as a Scrapper but by their rank only. As a sign of respect, any Charr refers to another by their rank so whether Scrapper has a negative tone is moot…they wouldn’t be addressed in such a way, just as you wouldn’t refer to a Charr as a Thief or a Necromancer, but as a Soldier, a Legionnaire or whatever.

Does it change the fact that what a Charr Engineer with the Scrapper spec is doing is Scrapper’s work (picking up scraps from the Pact Fleet and recycling them)?

Orpheal.8263:

Forge is just an other word for Smith … rolleyes

Not in this language it isn’t.That’s like saying garage is another word for mechanic, clinic is another word for veterinarian, and post office is another word for mailman.

And if you think ‘forger’ means “a person who works hot metal” I have a surprise for you… but its a fake. A forgery, even.

Scrapper is okay….. I would have gone with ‘Mechanic’ myself.

…but it beats the kitten out of Dragon Hunter, thats for sure.

I ok with the same Scrapper since “Forge” just remind me of the event thing on Edge of the Mist (yes I know the game does have double meanings to a item name). Even then while I familiar with most of the game lore, I competely forgot about that scrapper name being used already in the game exclusively to the Charr.

Even then, do you really expect them to actually say the name in the game (this include the other elite spec names)? I mean I think I only heard character saying the profession names like one or two times in the game?

I like it. Remember, Charrs were the first Engineers. These “Scrappers” learned to use what they got to fight. Other races learned from them.

Scrapper?! W.T.F!

Tinkerer for the WIN!

Scrapper not only feels lame, it feels like a ‘rush, last minute, name’.

Nike.2631:

Orpheal.8263:

Forge is just an other word for Smith … rolleyes

Not in this language it isn’t.That’s like saying garage is another word for mechanic, clinic is another word for veterinarian, and post office is another word for mailman.

And if you think ‘forger’ means “a person who works hot metal” I have a surprise for you… but its a fake. A forgery, even.

And Ii have a surprise for you too, because it just means BOTH as its one of many english words with multiple meanings.
And yes, thats thats what a Forger with a hammer does, he works hot metal to create that way all kinds of things out of metal, like gyro technical drones and it would also fit with the fiery theme we saw from the introduction trailer.
However, as it looks Anet made a backdoor class design change here and changed the theme fterwards fro mfire theme to electro theme, but just kept the rocket rammer, because it was already shown in the trailer and it surely would have disappointed many people, if Anet would have told us, that they removed that skill due to design change reasons, so it was easier to keep it than to redesign that skill more to a steampunkish electrical alternative that doesn’t involve fiery rocket blasts, while working all the same.

Don’t missunderstabnd me wrong, personally I’d prefer it also, if Anet woudl have named it “Smith”, because thats for me also the proper profession term per se and not “Forger”, but its an existing word, that gets translated for the job of a smith, one who works hot metal with a hammer to create with it and his ressources all kinds of things out of metal and personally i’d always prefer a cool battlesmith over some silly junk collectors, that do that even for one of the player races as a kind of “punishment work”

Orpheal.8263:

Nike.2631:

Orpheal.8263:

Forge is just an other word for Smith … rolleyes

Not in this language it isn’t.That’s like saying garage is another word for mechanic, clinic is another word for veterinarian, and post office is another word for mailman.

And if you think ‘forger’ means “a person who works hot metal” I have a surprise for you… but its a fake. A forgery, even.

And Ii have a surprise for you too, because it just means BOTH as its one of many english words with multiple meanings.
And yes, thats thats what a Forger with a hammer does, he works hot metal to create that way all kinds of things out of metal, like gyro technical drones and it would also fit with the fiery theme we saw from the introduction trailer.
However, as it looks Anet made a backdoor class design change here and changed the theme fterwards fro mfire theme to electro theme, but just kept the rocket rammer, because it was already shown in the trailer and it surely would have disappointed many people, if Anet would have told us, that they removed that skill due to design change reasons, so it was easier to keep it than to redesign that skill more to a steampunkish electrical alternative that doesn’t involve fiery rocket blasts, while working all the same.

Don’t missunderstabnd me wrong, personally I’d prefer it also, if Anet woudl have named it “Smith”, because thats for me also the proper profession term per se and not “Forger”, but its an existing word, that gets translated for the job of a smith, one who works hot metal with a hammer to create with it and his ressources all kinds of things out of metal and personally i’d always prefer a cool battlesmith over some silly junk collectors, that do that even for one of the player races as a kind of “punishment work”

A forge is not a Smith. A forge is a smithy, which is the work place for the Smith.

Now people keep saying that forger only means someone who creates fraudulent imitations but that isn’t the only definition. Forger means also someone who operates a forge. Nouns like that function under the basic rules of suffixes and prefixes where you can put an -er at the end and result in the desired meaning within your context just like made up words such as Chronomany can replace the end with -er to make the meaning refer to someone who uses Chronomancy.

That all being said, I don’t feel Smith or any related words fit the new spec because those professions imply working metal into tools and weapons but the scrapper works with more than just metal. There’s got to be some strong mechanical expertise at work to craft gyros that hover and fly and programming that allows for advanced actions such as rezzing downed allies or remote detonating. Tinkerer would be closer but lacks that in your face tone that the scrapper provides.

While I always think of " a name is but a name", Scrapper doesn’t have a very solid ring to it. I’d have preferred Forgeman myself.

Scrapper is much better than ‘Forge’. I like it. A forge is an object. Next you ‘forge’ fanboys will be wanting the chronomancer renamed to ‘stopwatch’, tempest to ‘cloud’, daredevil to ‘Ben Affleck’, and Herald to ‘engagement ring’.

Orpheal.8263:

Goatjugsoup.8637:

yes its a great name, forge sounds more like an item than a class. so glad it ended up being scrapper, plus it even has interesting lore

Forge is just an other word for Smith … rolleyes and THAT IS A PROFESSION, itx just missing an R (Forger) for more correct grammar to realize, that a person/profession is meant and not the place at work of a Smith.

http://www.dict.cc/?s=Schmied

See the 3rd Entry (Smith = Schmied)
Forge = Schmiede and with Schmiede (Forge) is meant the working place of a Smith (Forger)

tbh i would even have preferred forger even though i dont think it means what you think it means

Possibly the best name yet, I like how Charr used the name Scrapper as a derogatory term and that Scrappers have taken that insult and now wear it as a badge of honour because they are proud of their inventions made from junk.

I am going to roll a new Charr Engineer specifically because I like this specialization and lore so much.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

tbh i would even have preferred forger even though i dont think it means what you think it means

Aww, why wouldn’t ANet be throwing themselves face first into endless jokes about bad checks and fake paintings?

“Forger” was NEVER on the table.

I like Scrapper a lot as a name. On a lore level, it fits nicely with the Charr origin of the term and its gradual evolution. On an aesthetic level, it’s a cool sounding name that well describes a hammer wielding spec that confidently wades into combat. That it reminds me of the halcyon days of City of Heroes doesn’t hurt, either

Some of the other elite specializations don’t have the best names though. No one seems to like Dragonhunter. As a Thief player I’m not crazy about Daredevil either; it doesn’t really fit the tone of the spec (the first minor is called “Enforcer Training” and that seems like it would have been a boring but more appropriate name).