Guild Wars 2

Because their skill set was developed to deal with life in the wilds (including reconnaissance), while this is a new militant order specifically created to counter dragons.

Shiki.7148:

sorudo.9054:

Nike.2631:

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

in short, everything a ranger already has from launch but with more weapons of choice.

Yes… thats why the Guardian is called a DRAGONhunter, not simply a hunter. Those puny tiny arrows of a ranger don’t really hurt a Dragon, Dragons eat magic like bonbons and their scales block swords. The Arrows the Dragonhunter shot in the trailer looked (taking the light into account) more like the DH firing a Ballista X) More suited to hit right through a Dragons defenses. (All of this is RP-stuff, not real mechanics obv, it would be BS if only a DH could deal meaningful damage to dragons from a gameplay perspective).

So if the elementalist finaly gets his arrow, shooting giant elemental arrows, may I call him Dragonhunter as well?
By your logic, everything that exceeds normal arrows can now be a dragonhunter.

Yes, the dragonhunter works differently than the ranger in terms of style.
He shoots slow, the ranger fast.
He shoots big, the ranger agile and wide.

However, you know what? so does the Warrior and the Engineer. The Warrior uses his rifle as a sharpshooter, the Engineer uses it as a shotgun.

So is a Warrior using armor piercing bullets and shooting slow a dragonhunter too?

Same weapon, different aplication.
In lore everyone is able to use magic. Even the warrior shouts are magic. They are just focused in different directions, based on different schools.

The so called dragonhunter, is nothing more than a guardian using his strenght and equipment to shoot armor piercing quick arrows. His focus is on a strong one hit impact.
In return he shoots slower.

Yes, he is like a balista, but it is something other classes do as well. Nothing that is specific to hunt dragons and nothing makes his “light” magic supperior to any other other magic around.
I mean, the ranger and warrior can shoot fire arrows.

Nike.2631:

Because their skill set was developed to deal with life in the wilds (including reconnaissance), while this is a new militant order specifically created to counter dragons.

What if I choose the Dragonhunter specialisation but never play the PVE dragon storyline, as I am a WvW & PvP player or someone who simply avoids fighting Zhaitan & co? Makes the name a bit redundant for me doesn’kitten

So what ? That’s up to you to play in WvsW, but lorewise, a Dh is a Guardian who specialized himself (and thus ceased to be a Guardian) in hunting down dragons and huge preys (probably).

Honestly, Arbiter is just as lame as Dragonhunter and it doesn’t even define what the specialization would do. All I think when I read Arbiter is “referee” since it is how it would be translated in French, and it sucks.

How does this fit long-bow wielding, trap-utilizing specialization exactly?

It’s fighting dragons, not controlling a football match.

Mordeus.1234:

Since the expansion is still in the testing phases, it would be cool to take on community feedback in regards to the name. But then again I’m the camp where I find the name to be incredibly jarring.

I’m in the camp of: well the name is ok… but what does dragon hunting have to do with it?
If they can explain in today’s livestream how the dragon hunting theme fits into it, I’ll be fine with the name.

Nike.2631:

Because their skill set was developed to deal with life in the wilds (including reconnaissance), while this is a new militant order specifically created to counter dragons.

Or, you know, anything with an armor.
The warrior also has armor piercing bullets. He is a sharpshooter to do the same thing.

Yes, I get where you are comming from, but it still feels like we are missing a step.
Even more questionable if we think about that: Tequattle is an undead being. He is a dragon. Aside from his bonewall he is squishy undead flesh.
And he can fly. (given he doesn`t do it much, but you know)

I get where you are coming from, but still, to narrow a focus.
The missing step is: armored enemies —> focus on dragons.
He is a monsterhunter and not specific on dragons.
I do not believe we will get any szene where Trahearn or Logan says: “get the dragon hunters, they know how to take this dragon down.”
No, he calls the whole army.

There are no dragons in SPVP or WVW. Give us a name that reflects a class for all people, regardless of if they play the story or not!!!

Arbiter is awesome but if that doesn’t work, there’s a slew of other names. Valkyr, Keeper, Seeker, Stalwart, Warder, Bastion. ANY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE IS BETTER THAN DRAGONHUNTER.

If voice acting is a problem, leave it as it is. Dragonhunter is SO generic a term that no one would bat an eye at being called it, not necromancers, not warriors, not chronomancers. It’s basically just a title that describes what every PVEer is doing.

Totally agree with this being a good name. My view on Guardians, Paladins & Holy warriors of any kind in any game is that they really do specialize on fighting the biggest foes. The >fanatics< specialize on fighting their arch enemy no matter the sacrifice, often evolving to something the public eye barely would recognize to be a “Guardian”.

In Guild Wars, Dragons are the biggest threat. The Greatest of demons.
If we had Arch Demons instead of dragons, i swear Guardians specialization would be renamed Demonhunter instead.. Since its their job, the life they chose if they dedictate their lives to put up resistance in form of offense.

Dragonhunter represent the offensive fanatic group of Guardians imo.
Which is fine by me, even though im not a Guardian player myself.

EoNenmacil.2361:

I too would like to support the name change to this.

I mean really? Every one is a Dragon Hunter in GW2……..

Everyone is also a warrior, and yet no one seems to have any issues whatsoever with having Warrior as a class-name.

laokoko.7403:

Wanderer.3248:

Dragon hunter is as to class names as Justin Bieber is to music.

That is so untrue Dragon hunter is really cool in Skyrim, just imagine what Anet can do with the name.

Dragonhunter aka Dragonkind Hunter Born aka Dovahkiin uses the power of shouts
“words of power” to create powerful magical effects.

Fus Ro Dah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsMdWEpnZV8

All the potential!

If you like it that much then please, play Skyrim not GW2. There you can Fus-Ro-Dah as much as you like.

Valmir.4590:

So what ? That’s up to you to play in WvsW, but lorewise, a Dh is a Guardian who specialized himself (and thus ceased to be a Guardian) in hunting down dragons and huge preys (probably).

Honestly, Arbiter is just as lame as Dragonhunter and it doesn’t even define what the specialization would do. All I think when I read Arbiter is “referee” since it is how it would be translated in French, and it sucks.

Using your argument, if I choose to play as a Dragonhunter but never come across any dragons to hunt, then the name doesn’t define what the specialisation does for me.

While all the other professions and specialisations named so far have been given names that invoke their use in multiple contexts. For example the Revenant makes sense outside of the Rytlock lore because it brings spirits back from the dead in general.

It only is a Dragonhunter in the specific situation of hunting a dragon which is a fairly rare occurrence even for PvE. I’m actually a PvE player and the only dragon I’ve fought is Zhaitan and that didn’t take a lot of hunting lol

You know I don’t think Arbiter is the best fit either but neither is Dragonhunter. In this situation I dislike Dragonhunter the least so Arbiter wins. But if a third name was to considered that is better than both Dragonhunter and Arbiter, then that would win.

lordkrall.7241:

EoNenmacil.2361:

I too would like to support the name change to this.

I mean really? Every one is a Dragon Hunter in GW2……..

Everyone is also a warrior, and yet no one seems to have any issues whatsoever with having Warrior as a class-name.

I play a support role, so I wouldn’t really consider myself a warrior or even someone who engages in battle on the front lines like a warrior would.

CureForLiving.5360:

Mordeus.1234:

Since the expansion is still in the testing phases, it would be cool to take on community feedback in regards to the name. But then again I’m the camp where I find the name to be incredibly jarring.

I’m in the camp of: well the name is ok… but what does dragon hunting have to do with it?
If they can explain in today’s livestream how the dragon hunting theme fits into it, I’ll be fine with the name.

To me it just feels like all the dragon elements were needlessly tacked on. Chronomancers get time magic so BAM clock motifs on all the skills and shields! But then Guardian threw the team for a loop and the best they could come up with was “make it dragon themed” so we get a dame, Dragonhunter, an elite, Dragon Maw, and a dragon bow skin. None of these elements fits with the Guardian Archetype the way clocks and time fit with Mesmers.

They’re tying the specialization in with the story way too tightly. WVW and PVP don’t have dragons, for instance. And dragons aren’t the only threat that has threatened to wipe Tyria from existence.

Mordeus.1234:

What if I choose the Dragonhunter specialisation but never play the PVE dragon storyline, as I am a WvW & PvP player or someone who simply avoids fighting Zhaitan & co? Makes the name a bit redundant for me doesn’kitten

Where you use it doesn’t matter – the name arises from how it fits into the setting. It is the path of those that trained your character even if you choose to fight other battles.

Alice.5360:

There are no dragons in SPVP or WVW. Give us a name that reflects a class for all people, regardless of if they play the story or not!!!

Arbiter is awesome but if that doesn’t work, there’s a slew of other names. Valkyr, Keeper, Seeker, Stalwart, Warder, Bastion. ANY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE IS BETTER THAN DRAGONHUNTER.

Please, fling some more spittle on the screen.

I’m sure you’re winning the Devs over. Because after they explained in the first blog how the profession came into being I’m sure they’re concerned that heroes trained by actual Dragon Hunters running off to the mists keeps them up at nights.

DestinyEdge.2046:

Change the name please. A profession name should give people an idea of how it works. Ranger use bow, Chorno use time, Thief use dagger etc.
Dragon Hunter tells you nothing. . . It does not give you the impression that it is a backline support at all.

Dragons – main baddies of GW2 and primary antagonist of HOT expansion, which introduces the specialization of Dragonhunter
Hunter – a person who hunts game. Traditionally uses bows, and traps.

Tell me again how Avenger, Arbiter, Paladin, Crusader, War monk, Puritan (top kek) or any other suggestion that appeared on these boards would explain the spec better?

Alice.5360:

They’re tying the specialization in with the story way too tightly. WVW and PVP don’t have dragons, for instance. And dragons aren’t the only threat that has threatened to wipe Tyria from existence.

Tying to setting is actually a very good thing.

With the basic format – gain another class’ skilltype – they have scores of possible mechanical themes to pursue as they add more and more specializations over time. So how do you choose which ones to run with first? By prioritizing ones that fit their vision of the setting.

The emergence of a new Dragonhunter profession says “the war is escalating.” That’s the kind of sense of drama and scope they need in the game.

Nike.2631:

Mordeus.1234:

What if I choose the Dragonhunter specialisation but never play the PVE dragon storyline, as I am a WvW & PvP player or someone who simply avoids fighting Zhaitan & co? Makes the name a bit redundant for me doesn’kitten

Where you use it doesn’t matter – the name arises from how it fits into the setting. It is the path of those that trained your character even if you choose to fight other battles.

And who would these people be? I’ve never met them.

For all the other professions and specialisations, you simply become them without any training or lore enforced explanations. Sure Rytlock maybe the first Revenant but he has nothing to do with why I would be a Revenant, I have the Character Creation screen to thank for that. I might be born with the innate ability to wield magic hence why I’m a Mesmer or Elementalist, there is no-one there to teach me magic or to share in the credit.

It’s cool that you may choose to play this game in regards to an interpretation of the game’s lore. But GW2 is great because it encourages different ways of playing and different ways of roleplaying. I could care less if Brahams becomes the first Dragonhunter and offers to mentor me, I’ll deny him.

Ehm, no.
They described what their goal was with the class.
What the guardian lacked, etc.

In no way they explained why it is called a dragonhunter.

They describe it as a biggame hunter with traps and stuff.
in no way they atribute it to only dragons.

So yeah, kind of a stretch.

In your defense on “where you use it doesn`t matter”. Yes. It does. Because then it makes even less sense.
The dragon part of it`s name connects it only to dragons, which only appear in PvE and even there are rare.
Its mechanics and gameplay are usefull in a lot of gamemodes.

In short: This profession is more than a “dragon” hunter. Reducing him in his name is not doing him any justice. It doesn`t matter how “cool” a foe like a dragon is. This specialization purpose is not soley to hunt dragons.

It`s like calling you a cleaner, because you clean your room once in a while.

My vote is for Seraph since it has Angel wings and shoots arrows of light. It just screams that. Just like a Chronomancer is all about time manipulation, the Druid is about nature magic and the Tempest will probably be weather related.

the name sound wierd but the meaning of Arbiter suits the elite spec by a “long shot”

Keeping in line with the Dragonhunter name, here are some unrevealed specializations…

Thief with rifle: Gunshooter
Engi with hammer: Hammerbasher
Warrior with pistol: Pistoleer
Necro with greatsword: Swordhaunter

The problem is that the name Dragonhunter can be given to any of the profession and make skills around it.

Whereas Chronomancer… It can only be given to Mesmer, and Mesmer only, no other profession fits with the Chronomancer description at all, and it makes it unique to that profession.

But everyone can call themselves a Dragonhunter.

People keep claiming that it has no relevance to the profession or theme.

Guardians is there to protect the people. That is their main theme.
Hunters main usage (outside of gathering food) is to hunt down and kill dangerous creatures that threatens the people. Thus protecting the people. The main threats at this point is the Dragons, thus Dragonhunter both makes sense and fits into the theme of the Guardian.

I like the name, and I like the way it fills the void of guardian backline support. It’s funny how people are whining about the name, ignoring other existing profession names.

Warrior? Isn’t everyone a warrior? All our characters are brave and seasoned fighters?
Guardian? Isn’t everyone a guardian? How many escort events have we done already?
Ranger? Aren’t all our characters armed and roaming lands? And for the “other definition”: Aren’t all our characters able to use ranged attacks?
Thief? Isn’t everyone able to be a thief? I can’t count how many bandit supplies I’ve taken from Queensdale and never brought them back.

This naming argument is as stupid as people whining about the name Guild Wars and asking where the actual guild wars are.

Miss Lana.5276:

Gilburt.9146:

Dragonhunter makes no sense as a specialization name and Chronomancer does. The Mesmer elite specialization name does make sense. Why? Because you specialize as a Chronomancer to manipulate time. Do you specialize as a Dragonhunter to hunt dragons? No. You will hunt and fight all types foes, not just “big game.”

Also, there is nothing innately Guardian about being a Dragonhunter. Why couldn’t a Warrior or Ranger hunt dragons? There’s not really any reason Dragonhunter fits the Guardian anymore than it could fit those professions. Why wouldn’t an armored master of combat or master of the nature want to hunt big game? They are arguably even more suited to the name than Guardians.

Personally I would prefer Sentinel as it fits the theme of defending from a range with longbow and setting traps.

Edit: Also, lol at the OPs argument. “These names are used elsewhere at some place and some time: therefore they are bad.” What?

Agreed. My Necro hunts dragons. Isn’t she a Dragonhunter already?

The two words mashed into one name doesn’t work – at all.

As I said in a nother post… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game.

Edit:

Nike.2631:

I am happy with the current name.

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

+1

So well written and true.

Second Edit:

Farzo.8410:

The problem is that the name Dragonhunter can be given to any of the profession and make skills around it.

Whereas Chronomancer… It can only be given to Mesmer, and Mesmer only, no other profession fits with the Chronomancer description at all, and it makes it unique to that profession.

But everyone can call themselves a Dragonhunter.

Again… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game. We are all fighting a War so we are all Warriors.

Mordeus.1234:

And who would these people be? I’ve never met them.

For all the other professions and specialisations, you simply become them without any training or lore enforced explanations. Sure Rytlock maybe the first Revenant but he has nothing to do with why I would be a Revenant, I have the Character Creation screen to thank for that. I might be born with the innate ability to wield magic hence why I’m a Mesmer or Elementalist, there is no-one there to teach me magic or to share in the credit.

It’s cool that you may choose to play this game in regards to an interpretation of the game’s lore. But GW2 is great because it encourages different ways of playing and different ways of roleplaying. I could care less if Brahams becomes the first Dragonhunter and offers to mentor me, I’ll deny him.

The elite specializations are differents. You can’t just log after having installed HoT and change your mesmer to a chronomancer. You’ll need to undergo a series a event in the Heart of Maguuma, where you’ll slowly obtain the specialization armour and finally the specialization itself. And Anet has been seeding some teachers for those specializations :

Eir for the Druid
Marjory for the unnamed Necromancer Spec
Kasmee for the Chronomancer (what with her growing and “unique” abilities as a Mesmer ?)

As for the others, Zojja could be a tempest, and Logan a Dragonhunter.

However, I’ll grant that the Dragonhunter name imply that the character is a lone-wolf. I think that Dragoon would fit better.

Sankofa Jimiyu.1567:

Harrier

Then I also want a new VTOL trait.

Sentinel seems to me a very good choice.
Whether in French, Spanish, German , Polish, Italian etc ..its sounds good and respect for the spirit of the keeper advantage .
Dragonhunter for me is like a title,that all professions can have..

lordkrall.7241:

People keep claiming that it has no relevance to the profession or theme.

Guardians is there to protect the people. That is their main theme.
Hunters main usage (outside of gathering food) is to hunt down and kill dangerous creatures that threatens the people. Thus protecting the people. The main threats at this point is the Dragons, thus Dragonhunter both makes sense and fits into the theme of the Guardian.

That’s a very tortured justification. Offence being the best defence isn’t really unique to the Guardian. There maybe some thin connections between the Guardian and a name like Dragonhunter but they aren’t as obvious as say:

- Mesmers have some time magic therefore they expand upon it with the Chronomancer.
- Rangers have some nature magic therefore they expand upon it with the Druid.
- Elementalists have some weather based magic therefore they expand upon it with the Tempest.

It’s a bit awkward to say that Guardians protect by killing monsters which can be considered hunting therefore they expand upon it by becoming Dragonhunters, also Dragons are things they can hunt. It just doesn’t have the clarity of the other specializations.

Nike.2631:

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

Great, great post. That’s exactly how I feel as well.

However, if i were to choose a name myself, I would’ve gone with something like Fiendhunter. Has the same feeling while having a broader definition.

That being said, I’m very happy with Dragonhunter and wouldn’t want a Guardian 1.1 name (Knight, zealot, etc.) instead. Which means and changes nothing.

Shadelang.3012:

Hahaha No they don’t. And most of the “helpful suggestions” people come up with are just as cliche as dragon hunter.

^this^

Jaken.6801:

If a class would be actually using the knowledge of the fight against dragon or even use the power of dragons (which is possible if we think of dragon energy) then it would be okay.

I believe that ArenaNet has based the elite specialization on the concept of the Dragoon but they have revised on a “ranged” point of view. Because of this, the term Dragonhunter is what comes closest to their idea.

From the dragoon’s description:

Born amidst the timeless conflict between men and dragons, these knights have developed an aerial style of combat, that they might better pierce the scaled hides of their mortal foes.

They wear special armor meant to invoke the imagery of dragons, including helmets shaped like a dragon’s head, spikes, and wing and scale designs. Dragoons have a theme of being protectors and/or taking action to protect others in many of the titles in which they appear.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Miss Lana.5276:

Gilburt.9146:

Dragonhunter makes no sense as a specialization name and Chronomancer does. The Mesmer elite specialization name does make sense. Why? Because you specialize as a Chronomancer to manipulate time. Do you specialize as a Dragonhunter to hunt dragons? No. You will hunt and fight all types foes, not just “big game.”

Also, there is nothing innately Guardian about being a Dragonhunter. Why couldn’t a Warrior or Ranger hunt dragons? There’s not really any reason Dragonhunter fits the Guardian anymore than it could fit those professions. Why wouldn’t an armored master of combat or master of the nature want to hunt big game? They are arguably even more suited to the name than Guardians.

Personally I would prefer Sentinel as it fits the theme of defending from a range with longbow and setting traps.

Edit: Also, lol at the OPs argument. “These names are used elsewhere at some place and some time: therefore they are bad.” What?

Agreed. My Necro hunts dragons. Isn’t she a Dragonhunter already?

The two words mashed into one name doesn’t work – at all.

As I said in a nother post… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game.

Edit:

Nike.2631:

I am happy with the current name.

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

+1

So well written and true.

Second Edit:

Farzo.8410:

The problem is that the name Dragonhunter can be given to any of the profession and make skills around it.

Whereas Chronomancer… It can only be given to Mesmer, and Mesmer only, no other profession fits with the Chronomancer description at all, and it makes it unique to that profession.

But everyone can call themselves a Dragonhunter.

Again… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game. We are all fighting a War so we are all Warriors.

I Disagree-

We are all fighters: Fighters fight because they fight

Fighters Do Not Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Warriors Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Fighters Run From Death

Warriors Run Toward Death

That Is What Make A Warrior

That Is Why The Role Only Fit For The Warrior

That Is Why Not Everyone Can Be A Warrior

Valmir.4590:

The elite specializations are differents. You can’t just log after having installed HoT and change your mesmer to a chronomancer. You’ll need to undergo a series a event in the Heart of Maguuma, where you’ll slowly obtain the specialization armour and finally the specialization itself. And Anet has been seeding some teachers for those specializations :

Eir for the Druid
Marjory for the unnamed Necromancer Spec
Kasmee for the Chronomancer (what with her growing and “unique” abilities as a Mesmer ?)

As for the others, Zojja could be a tempest, and Logan a Dragonhunter.

However, I’ll grant that the Dragonhunter name imply that the character is a lone-wolf. I think that Dragoon would fit better.

The official blog post “Specializations, Part Two: Reward Tracks and Elite Specializations” mentions nothing about Living Story or Destiny Edge trainers that grant you access.

It says the following:

“Finally, these reward tracks unlock everything for an elite specialization: weapon, unique mechanics, skills, and traits. They’ll also reward items, including new runes and sigils, a fancy weapon skin for your new weapon type, and an armor skin for a single matching piece of armor (usually headgear or shoulders). As long as you’ve purchased Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns, you’ll automatically unlock access to all elite specializations in PvP.”

So if you are a PvP player then you don’t have to unlock anything. If you are a PvE player then you have to gain Hero Points and use them to unlock skills, items, etc… within the Profession Reward Tracks. There is no mention of having to deal with a Destiny’s Edge NPC, if so I must have missed that. I think the Hero Challenges are simply the new name of Skill Point challenges.

Jaken.6801:

The so called dragonhunter, is nothing more than a guardian using his strenght and equipment to shoot armor piercing quick arrows. His focus is on a strong one hit impact.
In return he shoots slower.

Yes, he is like a balista, but it is something other classes do as well.

Huh, when you put it like that I can’t help but see the resemblance between the Guardian specialization and DS1’s Dragonslayers, knights who wielded massive greatbows capable of piercing dragonscale. Maybe that’s where they got their inspiration for the name.

(Dragonslayer would already be substantially better than Dragonhunter)

I guess people was just too hyped about a possible “Paragon”

I don’t like it and I don’t need to make another thread about this so I just reply to those already made.

[quote=5041961;Eurhetemec.9052:]

They have to save something for whenever they get around to the Elona expansion.

Though, I reserve the right for everyone to complain if the necromancer gets the Ritualist spec outside of a Cantha expansion.

The dragon theme comes from the name of one skill: Dragon’s Maw, the elite. Rest of it is the bow/glove skin which is unequipable and the class name which should be changed. These guardian’s are in no way “dragon themed.” It was a sloppy tack-on.

Xenon.4537:

This is the thread for us crazy people who don’t think “Dragonhunter” is such a bad name. In fact, I personally like the name. I hear people call it “childish” as if a 12-year-old thought of it. And in the same breath those people suggest things like…

Guardian Angel
Archangel

Angels are associated with the christian and muslim god, and are supposed to be divine, immortal, and incredibly powerful beyond mortal means… Not exactly GW2 flavor.

Zealot

What is this, Starcraft? MY LIFE FOR HIRE
….no….

Janissary

What is this, Age of Empires?

Sentinel
Celestial

Naming things after gear now? Why…

Centurion

Cylons? Frakk that.

Vanguard
Justiciar

What is this, Mass effect2?

Legionnaire

There are already legionnaires in GW2, and they are exclusively related to the Charr military structure.

Monk

There was already once a class with this name in GW1, and it was almost purely supportive and designed for healing. Anet clearly wanted to give the guardian an aggressive ranged option for combat. Monks were never about range or pure DPS.

Savior
Sanctifier
Saint

Too religious… Christian in particular… Sorry but not all of us are Christian, and Anet has always been careful not to put any specific references to real world ideologies.

Diviner

Do you even know what divining is? What does that have to do with combat, particularly aggressive offense with a bow and mobility?

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I just want to say that my personal take on the Dragonhunter name is that Anet took the established theme of the guardian as the “master of defense” and applied the adage “the best defense is a good offense.” In kungkittenis it said that the hand which strikes also blocks. Mordremoth presents a clear and present danger to the world, and Tyrians must adapt to the threat to survive. The Dragonhunter is a specialization which was born specifically to tackle the dragon threat. That’s the lore side of it anyway.

On to the practical side of the name. Anet clearly wanted to make a ranged attack spec for the guardian, should they want it. Something a little less defensive, and with the ability to tag mobs at range like everyone else. Guardian core spec has plenty of melee already. When coming up with a name for anything, that name must convey a sense of what that thing is supposed to be and do. You don’t name Game of Thrones “Fluffy Bunny Fuffles.” There is a purpose to a name beyond sounding cool on its own. It needs to convey the context of the item it describes.

These have to be the most ridiculous and petty objections to names I’ve ever seen. You’re basically saying “This name was used once before in a different and unrelated context, so you can’t use it!”, which is just beyond laughable and well into sad and shameful.

I mean, by your logic, we could object to every single name in GW2, and we could also object to well, Dragonhunter.

So wow, epic fail.

(I don’t hate Dragonhunter, but your objections here are embarrassing).

Nike.2631:

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

Which profession? Do you mean the ‘ranger’ or the ‘thief,’ which both have bows and traps and fight elder dragons?

Nike.2631:

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

So what your saying is, Anet made a heavy Ranger, and gave it the most silly name they could. Sorry your argument holds no water with me.

Just wait until necromancers get their new specialization: the Warfighter, which will be justified with great logic like “Well, they are fighting in a war against the elder dragons, and they are using greatswords. The specialization name fits perfectly! Everyone should stop complaining about it.”

He’s killing dragons, not trying to be like one. Wings are there to counter flight, shield is there to counter the fire breath and the spear is there to kill them.

Erukk.1408:

Though, I reserve the right for everyone to complain if the necromancer gets the Ritualist spec outside of a Cantha expansion.

Highly unlikely, Revenant is already doing the channeling spirits of the dead thing.

HoT is still in beta and what beta means (hopefully) is anything can change, especially in response to player feedback.

Dragon Hunter has not gone down at all well, so perhaps Anet should take that feedback on board and make some changes/tweaks before the specialization is set in stone.

Personally, the only thing that matters to me are the new skills/traits are awesome/useful/desirable. I am sick of underpowered/useless traits and skills.

Hello everyone.

So there are a lot of threads going around attacking and defending the name of the guardian specialisation. This is one of the defending threads.

There are a multitude of suggestions to rename the specialisation into but I think they all fall short to the name already given to the specialisation!

From the wiki:
“Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory.”

Why not name the specialisation after what the guardians try to protect the people from? Seeing as to how the plot goes around chasing after the dragons, hunting if you will, it seems pretty fitting that the guardian gets the name ‘Dragonhunter’

The biggest argument I’ve read is that everyone of us is a dragon hunter. That may be so, but not everyone is as good as a person specialising in it is. The specialisation learns some new tricks specifically to hunt for dragons and to set up traps to catch them.

It makes even more sense if the rumormills spin true, that Eir is dead and our Broham picks up mom’s bow, filled with rage to avenge his mother. This event furthering his mindset to hunt the dragons even more. Maybe this rage or lust for vengeance makes him (and in turn our own guardians if we learn the specialisation from Braham) able to manifest light energy in more physical objects.

I say, keep the Dragonhunter!

BrotherBelial.3094:

I just think Halo when I hear the name. But that’s just me.

This.

Nike.2631:

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

The name may be many things, but graceful and shorthand, it is not. It’s a clumsy, double-barreled affair.