Guild Wars 2

It’s a good name… for a title, not profession.

As all forum frequenters know, there are a lot of hate threads against the Dragonhunter name given to the elite Guardian specialisation. I do not intend for this to be a hate thread, but merely a fun, suggestions thread.

My name suggestions are:
Paragon (obvious reasons)
Diviner
Red Bull (’cos Red Bull gives you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings!)

ronpierce.2760

Or I’ll find their weakness and kill every single one of them on sight and then /dance. And say “GG, get a better class name!”

Come at me, bro.

((places another trap))

Mewreon.8649:

As all forum frequenters know, there are a lot of hate threads against the Dragonhunter name given to the elite Guardian specialisation. I do not intend for this to be a hate thread, but merely a fun, suggestions thread.

My name suggestions are:
Paragon (obvious reasons)
Diviner
Red Bull (’cos Red Bull gives you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings!)

Why not post in https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/About-the-Dragon-Hunter-name-merged/first ? You’re gonna get merged into it anyway

Nike.2631:

ronpierce.2760

Or I’ll find their weakness and kill every single one of them on sight and then /dance. And say “GG, get a better class name!”

Come at me, bro.

((places another trap))

((Strafes lazily to the left))
… o.o

The name I like the best is the Seeker. Since it infers someone who is searching or hunting for something (what that is could be up to the player to decide), plus it channels it’s Virtues through arrows that seek the target.

Plus the following phrases fits the Guardian; Seeker of Truth, Seeker of Knowledge, etc…

I also like the Seraph (mainly because the spec has angel wings) but we already have the organisation called the Seraph. The Herald could work too but then again we have NPCs called Heralds.

So many misconceptions flying around.

Firstly, dragon hunting in Tyria is a bit different from dragon hunting in most other games of the fantasy genre. In most other games you hunt the dragon and the dragon alone. In GW2, you have to face not only the dragon but its champions and minions as well. Dragons in GW2 are more like forces of nature than simple beasts, so hunting and killing them needs a wider skill set.

Secondly, the idea that bows and traps do not fit the hunter theme makes no sense to me. Personally, if I was a hunter a bow and traps would be perfect tools for the job.

Thirdly, the idea of traps not fitting a backline supporter also does not make sense to me. Traps are not supposed to be close range melee skills, hence Anet adding a preparation time. If you are in the backlines, you are attacking from afar and supporting your allies. The traps are a preparation for defense, as a lot of the time it is melee bursters that will sneak round and try to take out the backline. So traps on a backline supporter makes sense to me.

Fourthly, Dragonhunter is not a profession, it is an elite specialization. And while it may change many functions and themes of the core profession it is still a Guardian at its core. You are not a Dragonhunter, you are a Guardian Dragonhunter.

I think part of the problem is down to Anet’s naming conventions. They called the specialization Dragonhunter, which could easily make you think it is a profession name. But I think a less confusing name would have been Dragon Hunting. The same can be said for the Chronomancer. If it was called Chronomancing people may have had a better understanding of where Anet are going with the specializations.

There are no dragons to hunt in SPvP and WvW. The name is lackluster.

MiniEquine.6014:

Feral.3609:

I absolutely hate this idea, the name, and even the weapon choice.

Played my guardian from day 1 of release because it was a front line fighter with supportive buffs to allies – kind of like a templar or paladin. Now they turn it into a fairy ranger. Really upset with this choice! Looks like I’ll have to find a new main.

I would be happier if they even forgo giving guardians a longbow (which doesn’t even match this class) and just fix our broken/useless traitlines/skills (zeal/radiance/spirit weapons). That would be my version of a new specialization.

I hope they give necromancer a rifle and kitten them off to.

Find a new main? What, are you serious? This doesn’t change the base class at all, this is just the specialization. You will still be able to play the Guardian exactly as you always have been.

For some, like myself, the base class is getting a bit stale, and we were looking for something new to renew our interest. The fact that this is essentially a trap ranger tacked onto guardian profession mechanics makes it feel like the proverbial nail in the coffin because it’s not new at all, and certainly not what we were hoping for.

The revenant looks like it’s more of what I wanted guardian to be anyway, to be honest.

Tbh, I was kinda expecting Paragon. So I guess I’m a little disappointed :/

Wanderer.3248:

Dragon hunter is as to class names as Justin Bieber is to music.

Yeh it feels like that ^^

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Feral.3609:

I absolutely hate this idea, the name, and even the weapon choice.

Played my guardian from day 1 of release because it was a front line fighter with supportive buffs to allies – kind of like a templar or paladin. Now they turn it into a fairy ranger. Really upset with this choice! Looks like I’ll have to find a new main.

I would be happier if they even forgo giving guardians a longbow (which doesn’t even match this class) and just fix our broken/useless traitlines/skills (zeal/radiance/spirit weapons). That would be my version of a new specialization.

I hope they give necromancer a rifle and kitten them off to.

Find a new main? What, are you serious? This doesn’t change the base class at all, this is just the specialization. You will still be able to play the Guardian exactly as you always have been.

For some, like myself, the base class is getting a bit stale, and we were looking for something new to renew our interest. The fact that this is essentially a trap ranger tacked onto guardian profession mechanics makes it feel like the proverbial nail in the coffin because it’s not new at all, and certainly not what we were hoping for.

The revenant looks like it’s more of what I wanted guardian to be anyway, to be honest.

Well, there is new stuff, but some of it might not appeal to what you like in certain classes anymore. I primarily use my Guardian and Engineer, and I personally think that I might enjoy what this specialization has to offer. It’s not what I was expecting, I must admit, but it is new and they will talk about that in 3 hours and 45 minutes. If it’s not new at all, I’ll be right there with you wielding the torches and pitchforks. I just think there’s more to this than meets the eye with the relatively nondescript preview post they did.

Nike.2631:

Come at me, bro.

((places another trap))

ronpierce.2760:

((Strafes lazily to the left))
… o.o

I often don’t agree with you… but you can make me laugh .

((salutes the loyal opposition))

Mordeus.1234:

The name I like the best is the Seeker. Since it infers someone who is searching or hunting for something (what that is could be up to the player to decide), plus it channels it’s Virtues through arrows that seek the target.

Plus the following phrases fits the Guardian; Seeker of Truth, Seeker of Knowledge, etc…

I also like the Seraph (mainly because the spec has angel wings) but we already have the organisation called the Seraph. The Herald could work too but then again we have NPCs called Heralds.

there is a book series that may sue them for that

I love the concept of this Elite Specialization mechanics wise
however, the name and the “big game hunter theme” doesn’t really work for me (and evidently a lot of people), and within the context of what we’ve seen in the blogpost we can also see other better options besides “Dragonhunter” (it’s not that it’s a “TERRIBLE” name, but that it doesn’t fit what’s presented)

Now, with that said, my vote goes to renaming it:

• Arbiter

Reasons, quoted from the video and the blog post:
“Virtue of Justice is now a thrown spear that pierces through all unworthy foes”
so we have the theme of Judging unworthy foes with this one, and I’d imagine that we could have similar interpretations of possible traps, such as the healing trap having a positive effect on allies (Judged worthy) and negative a effect on enemies (Judged unworthy)
“I must be relentless as Justice itself”
once again, we have the theme of this specialization being not just a defender of justice but an enforcer of justice, such as an Arbiter that “has the sole or absolute power of judging” (reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbiter)

So yea, it’s been suggested before, but my vote goes to renaming it Arbiter

Knighthonor.4061:

Vanguard
DragonKnight
Priest
Patriot

I have to say Vanguard sound like the best name for this specialization. I was initially thinking something angel like, but knowing that all races are not religious like the humans, it makes sense that Seraph or Seraphim was not used, but it’s still fitting to the look and feel of the spec.

Paragon would have fit too, but I’m guessing that maybe something with the lore, that would make that name not fitting.

Dragonhunter is the worst name for this specialization mainly because nothing about there skills or appearance captures the essence of a specialized dragon hunter.

I think Vanguard is spot on because of the definition of the name is fitting to what they claim this elite spec can do!

MiniEquine.6014:

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Feral.3609:

I absolutely hate this idea, the name, and even the weapon choice.

Played my guardian from day 1 of release because it was a front line fighter with supportive buffs to allies – kind of like a templar or paladin. Now they turn it into a fairy ranger. Really upset with this choice! Looks like I’ll have to find a new main.

I would be happier if they even forgo giving guardians a longbow (which doesn’t even match this class) and just fix our broken/useless traitlines/skills (zeal/radiance/spirit weapons). That would be my version of a new specialization.

I hope they give necromancer a rifle and kitten them off to.

Find a new main? What, are you serious? This doesn’t change the base class at all, this is just the specialization. You will still be able to play the Guardian exactly as you always have been.

For some, like myself, the base class is getting a bit stale, and we were looking for something new to renew our interest. The fact that this is essentially a trap ranger tacked onto guardian profession mechanics makes it feel like the proverbial nail in the coffin because it’s not new at all, and certainly not what we were hoping for.

The revenant looks like it’s more of what I wanted guardian to be anyway, to be honest.

Well, there is new stuff, but some of it might not appeal to what you like in certain classes anymore. I primarily use my Guardian and Engineer, and I personally think that I might enjoy what this specialization has to offer. It’s not what I was expecting, I must admit, but it is new and they will talk about that in 3 hours and 45 minutes. If it’s not new at all, I’ll be right there with you wielding the torches and pitchforks. I just think there’s more to this than meets the eye with the relatively nondescript preview post they did.

It’s just going to have to have traps and traits that function nothing like ranger traps and traits to hold my interest, and sadly I don’t think they’re going to make the traps work any differently than current trap builds. It just really saddens me that they’re rehashing something we already have instead of coming up with something new like they did with the chronomancer.

As much as I hate ‘Dragonhunter’ name. Paragon doesn’t seem to work here better either because it was a specific profession in GW1 which shouldn’t be lumped together with GW2 Guardian. and we might get it later if they decided to do Elona expansion. (and we don’t really get an actual spear here)

I don’t really mind traps or gameplay. but the name is a really a put off for me

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Feral.3609:

I absolutely hate this idea, the name, and even the weapon choice.

Played my guardian from day 1 of release because it was a front line fighter with supportive buffs to allies – kind of like a templar or paladin. Now they turn it into a fairy ranger. Really upset with this choice! Looks like I’ll have to find a new main.

I would be happier if they even forgo giving guardians a longbow (which doesn’t even match this class) and just fix our broken/useless traitlines/skills (zeal/radiance/spirit weapons). That would be my version of a new specialization.

I hope they give necromancer a rifle and kitten them off to.

Find a new main? What, are you serious? This doesn’t change the base class at all, this is just the specialization. You will still be able to play the Guardian exactly as you always have been.

For some, like myself, the base class is getting a bit stale, and we were looking for something new to renew our interest. The fact that this is essentially a trap ranger tacked onto guardian profession mechanics makes it feel like the proverbial nail in the coffin because it’s not new at all, and certainly not what we were hoping for.

The revenant looks like it’s more of what I wanted guardian to be anyway, to be honest.

Well, there is new stuff, but some of it might not appeal to what you like in certain classes anymore. I primarily use my Guardian and Engineer, and I personally think that I might enjoy what this specialization has to offer. It’s not what I was expecting, I must admit, but it is new and they will talk about that in 3 hours and 45 minutes. If it’s not new at all, I’ll be right there with you wielding the torches and pitchforks. I just think there’s more to this than meets the eye with the relatively nondescript preview post they did.

It’s just going to have to have traps and traits that function nothing like ranger traps and traits to hold my interest, and sadly I don’t think they’re going to make the traps work any differently than current trap builds. It just really saddens me that they’re rehashing something we already have instead of coming up with something new like they did with the chronomancer.

Speaking of the Chronomancer though, nobody is claiming that the time wells are exact rehashes of the Necromancer wells, right? Why is this instantly thrown away as a possibility for what the Dragonhunter can have happen to it? I tell you, it should not be. We don’t yet know how they are handling the traps that they give the Dragonhunter; maybe they are fired from the bow to be place really far away at the enemy’s feet (only to be avoided by dodging the attack), or maybe they can be detonated. Who knows?

My point is, they are rehashing the skills, just like they did with the Chronomancer and Necromancer, but they seem to be doing it in a way that makes it fresh. As I said, we’ll see in a couple of hours.

MiniEquine.6014:

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Black Box.9312:

MiniEquine.6014:

Feral.3609:

I absolutely hate this idea, the name, and even the weapon choice.

Played my guardian from day 1 of release because it was a front line fighter with supportive buffs to allies – kind of like a templar or paladin. Now they turn it into a fairy ranger. Really upset with this choice! Looks like I’ll have to find a new main.

I would be happier if they even forgo giving guardians a longbow (which doesn’t even match this class) and just fix our broken/useless traitlines/skills (zeal/radiance/spirit weapons). That would be my version of a new specialization.

I hope they give necromancer a rifle and kitten them off to.

Find a new main? What, are you serious? This doesn’t change the base class at all, this is just the specialization. You will still be able to play the Guardian exactly as you always have been.

For some, like myself, the base class is getting a bit stale, and we were looking for something new to renew our interest. The fact that this is essentially a trap ranger tacked onto guardian profession mechanics makes it feel like the proverbial nail in the coffin because it’s not new at all, and certainly not what we were hoping for.

The revenant looks like it’s more of what I wanted guardian to be anyway, to be honest.

Well, there is new stuff, but some of it might not appeal to what you like in certain classes anymore. I primarily use my Guardian and Engineer, and I personally think that I might enjoy what this specialization has to offer. It’s not what I was expecting, I must admit, but it is new and they will talk about that in 3 hours and 45 minutes. If it’s not new at all, I’ll be right there with you wielding the torches and pitchforks. I just think there’s more to this than meets the eye with the relatively nondescript preview post they did.

It’s just going to have to have traps and traits that function nothing like ranger traps and traits to hold my interest, and sadly I don’t think they’re going to make the traps work any differently than current trap builds. It just really saddens me that they’re rehashing something we already have instead of coming up with something new like they did with the chronomancer.

Speaking of the Chronomancer though, nobody is claiming that the time wells are exact rehashes of the Necromancer wells, right? Why is this instantly thrown away as a possibility for what the Dragonhunter can have happen to it? I tell you, it should not be. We don’t yet know how they are handling the traps that they give the Dragonhunter; maybe they are fired from the bow to be place really far away at the enemy’s feet (only to be avoided by dodging the attack), or maybe they can be detonated. Who knows?

My point is, they are rehashing the skills, just like they did with the Chronomancer and Necromancer, but they seem to be doing it in a way that makes it fresh. As I said, we’ll see in a couple of hours.

mesmer wells are functionally the same as necro wells far as i can tell, they just do different things.

It is true that many of the names proposed are very generic. They do not evoke a particular speciality. Druid evokes something specific, and of all the broad professions, it fits best in Ranger. Chronomancer is a made up word, yet it evokes something specific, and of all the broad professions, it fits best in Mesmer.

Some people are inventing new titles like Lightbringer, but by just using two english words they end up with something that often sounds made-up and overly simple (just like Dragonhunter). For some reason if you combine a greek word with an english suffix then you get a word like Chronomancer which people actually like.

Swagger.1459:

The name dragonhunter and the concept of a “big game hunter” does not really fit the specialization and powers you are presenting. I get it, they have a bow and traps (don’t know why you chose traps if you want this spec to be a back line fighter…), but you could at least come up with a more creative name, backstory and reason for this specialization to be so umm special.

Yeah does a big game hunter go around healing it’s allies and supporting the backline? Even the phrase “big game hunter” sounds like a title not a specialization. I’m sure the spec will function well and bring diversity to the class and the game but the name sounds like over compensating to make the class less boring.

ANet Marketing Strategy:

“Heya players! After you’ve trudged through the game leveling your guardian slower than everyone else playing the game you can turn it into a Draaagonhuntaaaah! Ooh sounds like big damage and single target control vs. big nasty bosses, yeah? Okay it’s actually a support character that spreads conditions and protects squushy allies but it might do more damage than an unspecced guardian and run a bit faster. So…yeah…BIG GAME HUNTAAAHHH! Watch this video of one killing a DINOSAUUURR! Because they are big and like dragons! DRAGONHUNTAAAAH! But yeah you can kill other things too if you want. DINOSAUUURRR!”

*Dear ANet,

You don’t have to try and make a support character seem less boring by giving it an excessive name. Some of us like support characters. I will be playing this spec with my guardian that is named after my GW1 monk because I like playing support characters.

Thanks.

The only problem I have with the name is if I’m a guardian and I guard and protect someone or something, why the hell should I turn and become a hunter all the sudden? I mean even in the blog post they say that he is supporting from the back lines. So why should he be called hunter?
Sorry if somebody already wrote this, but is a long topic.

The merge shuffled my Poll into this mess.

RabbitUp.8294:

Alice.5360:

Arclight… now that’s a cool name!!!!

Which means nothing, besides a type of lamp.

It’s just a punny name (bow=arc).

It’s also a play off Hoplite, the roman equivalent of militia. And there are several comic book, science fiction, and fantasy characters named or connected with it, most of them themed after light in some way or another.

New spec name suggestion:

Ghostpunch Rangescreamer. Fits the spec just as well as Dragonhunter.

RabbitUp.8294:

Which means nothing, besides a type of lamp.

Kids these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arc_Light

Specifically~
“Arc Light, and sometimes Arclight, is the code name and general term for the use of B-52D/F/G Stratofortress as a close air support (CAS) platform to support ground tactical operations assisted by ground-control-radar detachments of the 1st Combat Evaluation Group”

In other words Arclight means to bomb the holy crapcakes out of something from relatively nearby. Like, “notify Rand-McNally… we’re gonna need new maps” levels of firepower.

Underdark.3726:

The only problem I have with the name is if I’m a guardian and I guard and protect someone or something, why the hell should I turn and become a hunter all the sudden?

Exactly this..! Both Guardian and Ranger have a very VERY different concept/theme from each other (a Ranger is very individualist while the Guardian is exactly the opposite).

If Anet wanted to push a more aggresive “name”, they could’ve taken “Zealot” for example, which fits Ok with the Guardian theme.

Having said that, Arbiter works ok for me, not my personal favourite but it gets the job done.

Nike.2631:

RabbitUp.8294:

Which means nothing, besides a type of lamp.

Kids these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arc_Light

Specifically~
“Arc Light, and sometimes Arclight, is the code name and general term for the use of B-52D/F/G Stratofortress as a close air support (CAS) platform to support ground tactical operations assisted by ground-control-radar detachments of the 1st Combat Evaluation Group”

In other words Arclight means to bomb the holy crapcakes out of something from relatively nearby. Like, “notify Rand-McNally… we’re gonna need new maps” levels of firepower.

And what does that have to do with the world of Tyria?

Ryuu.5608

Exactly this..! Both Guardian and Ranger have a very VERY different concept/theme from each other (a Ranger is very individualist while the Guardian is exactly the opposite).

Heh. Wait ’til you see how much the Druid blurs the line from the other side…

If Anet wanted to push a more aggresive “name”, they could’ve taken “Zealot” for example, which fits Ok with the Guardian theme.

Because no one would ever be confused by a Zealot specialization that doesn’t have to take the Zeal line…

a.k.a. same reason we’re NOT going to see a warrior elite specialization named “tactician”.

Working in a large, interconnected name space takes some small level of awareness on the part of the designers.

Dragon huter will get new trait line called Hunting? or Dragon Hunting.

Nike.2631:

In other words Arclight means to bomb the holy crapcakes out of something from relatively nearby. Like, “notify Rand-McNally… we’re gonna need new maps” levels of firepower.

RabbitUp.8294:

And what does that have to do with the world of Tyria?

It is one of the most widely recognized examples of “backline support” in the last century. Armed might swooping in and delivering victory through what was seen from afar as , oh I dunno, staggeringly bright flashes of light. If you can’t draw the parallels to what this new spec does from there, I can’t help you.

I don’t favor it. I’m personally happy with what the Dev have chosen. But at least I can see its a fairly clever alternative.

Nike.2631:

Nike.2631:

In other words Arclight means to bomb the holy crapcakes out of something from relatively nearby. Like, “notify Rand-McNally… we’re gonna need new maps” levels of firepower.

RabbitUp.8294:

And what does that have to do with the world of Tyria?

It is one of the most widely recognized examples of “backline support” in the last century. Armed might swooping in and delivering victory through what was seen from afar as , oh I dunno, staggeringly bright flashes of light. If you can’t draw the parallels to what this new spec does from there, I can’t help you.

I don’t favor it. I’m personally happy with what the Dev have chosen. But at least I can see its a fairly clever alternative.

I would love it. More so if we look at how the skills look

Simple question, but lately it seems Anet has to have lost their creativity so much, that they became incompetent of creating proper class designs with fitting names – which is very sad.

I will show you here now in a DIRECT COMPARISON 6 Names that would work as proper Elite Specializations and 6 Names, which won’t do work as that.
First the 6 proper Names:

• Crusader
• Templar
• Seeker
• Justiciar
• Patron
• Warden (for that rename Sylvari NPC Wardens to Preservers)

Now the 6 names that totally aren’t proper names for professions/Elite Specializations

• Dragonhunter
• Lightbow
• Paragon
• Guardian Angel
• Valkyrie
• Witch Hunter

Do you see the difference? No ?
Then as said I’ll make some explanations:

Why does Crusader fit as a proper name and Dragonhunter does not?
- Because Crusader fits to the Theme, Style & Gameplay.
- Because it sounds like a gender neutral profession and not like a title.
- Because it also fits to the Class Type (Soldier, where Dragonhunter looks more like being Adventurers with supernatural powers in just heavy armor, its whole gameplay has nothing to do anymore with the Guardian, except for turning the Virtues now into manifestions of weapons and wings.

Why does Templar fit as a proper name and Lightbow does not?
- Because unlike Lightbow, Templar is no childish stupid made up word of just two English Words put together telling people, this is a profession. Templars, or “Temple Knights” to say are known for being a proper profession in real life just as like Crusaders.
- Because it also sounds like a gender neutral profession and not like just a title like Dragonhunter does.
- Because it also does to the shared Class Type of being a Soldier, because Templars actually do/did wear heavy armors.

Why does Seeker firt as a proper name and Paragon does not?
- Because Paragon is just a made up name like Lightbow, just with the difference, that this time its actually an existign English Word just simply turned into the meaning of beign a profession, when in fact it is not, a Seeker compared to that can bee seen as someone, who strives for justice and punishes those that do commit crimes, thus it actually does fit into the Theme, Style and Gameplay of the zealous Guardian.
Its a much better fitting name for a profession, than even Arbiter, because Seeker just stands out more for beign Judges, that follow and do everything possible to bring justice relentlessly to Tyria

Why does Justiciar fit as a proper name and Guardian Angel does not?
- See Seeker, Justiciar would be just a fittign alternative name for Seeker, just that Justiciar would have that kind of “fanatism” more behind it, for one, who fanatically seeks for justice, like being too zealous about beign tyrias police. Guardian Angel compared to that just sounds again totally made up and cheesy, like being made up from a small child that can’t think of anything more creative, because childs just priorize only in regard of names, if it sounds “cool enough” for them to like it, not if it actually is a proper name, cause, they simply don’t care about that, as long that name just sounds “cool”. Justiciar again just sounds compared to Seeker like being more sophisticated. If you take that fanatism aside, you coudl think of them also basically as like a kind of “Elite” among Seekers, like a higher rank .

Why does Patron fit as a proper name and Valkyrie does not?
- Because unlike Valkyrie atron may seem on first sight maybe like a made up word, but it is not, its just a short abbreviation of “Patron Saint” and thus it literally fits into the Theme, Style and gameplay of the Guardian as basically an improvement of them, a more poerwful and experienced version of them basically.
- Because its a gender neutral profession, unlike Valkyries, which are females only and also which stand completely ont of context from the whole game, because Valkyries are from a real life mythology, that doesn’t exist in this game at all, the whole word os so out of context of this game, that its mere existance in the game is basically already immersion breaking, that its really questionable, why ANet hasn#t already renamed the upgrade prefix to something more fitting.

Why does Warden fit as a proper name and Witch Hunter does not?
- because Warden does fit to the Theme, Style and Gameplay of the Guardian, while Witch Hunter does not.
- because it is no made up word like Witch Hunter that is made of two English Worjs just put simply together exactly like Dragonhunter, just with correct English grammar with a SPACE in between to make not out of it the illusion as if it would be only 1 word, because thats actually Anets style of naming their professions – just with 1 word that defines the name of the profession/elite specialization.

“Why 6 elite specialization names I like are better than 6 elite specialization names somebody else may like.”

If I had to choose out of all proper names that are possible and do fit (this here was just only a small selection now), then I woudl choose Seeker

Its by far from all proper names the most fitting name for an on Guardian based Elite Specialization, that does fit the absolute most to their whole design based on the guardians theme, style, gameplay and class type.

Its even far more fitting, than Arbiter, because Seeker isn’t so right into the face about beign a kind of “Overlord” who judges over absolutely everything and has almighty power over everything to decide. Seeker is in that way alot more subtle, while still being the absolute most best option when it comes to proper names for an Elite Specialization of the Guardian, which is by design all about relentless justice

So an Elite Specialization, that is specialized about the Guardians Virtue of Justice basically and there fits nothing better, than a Seeker, who strives for bringing justice to Tyria and everyone who commits crimes in it to be the lands very zealous Judge, Executioner and Legeslative at once

@ Rage

Nonsense, I just kept it to 6 to make the thread not bigger, than necessary and to provide just enough options to clearly show, what proper profession names are and what clearly not proper profession names are…

There are more proper names out there but listing them all up here would have been too much now and not all of them, even when being proper names would fully fit to the Theme, Style and Gameplay of the Guardian and would alienate more people, despite being a proper name, or would have other different issues, like copyrights, no contextual connections ect.

Example:

Vindicator.. on first sight looks like a proper name, but if you go into the depths of the meaning of that word, it will quickly make you think its nont fitting for the Guardian, because its meaning has way too much to do with laws and we do play here a fantasy game and not a law and order simulator with judges and jurors ect.

Archon looks also right, but it totally lacks on the context to the Guardian, it has no bondign to it in any kind of way, absolutely no connection there.

Another good one is Inquisitor (also good alternative two for Seeker/Justiciar), but here I guess it would give maybe some kind of copyright issues maybe, so thats the reason why I didn’t listed it up … the other reason is, it sounds too similar to the Asuras’s Inquisition…

But only one of those names really describes the specialization, and it’s the one Anet picked…

Nike.2631:

Ryuu.5608

Exactly this..! Both Guardian and Ranger have a very VERY different concept/theme from each other (a Ranger is very individualist while the Guardian is exactly the opposite).

Heh. Wait ’til you see how much the Druid blurs the line from the other side…

Druid is like a part of the Ranger that has never been developped. Perfect for a specilization. A good name considering what were the Druids in the lore.
Mesmer also had some time related skills, but less than Ranger have nature magic skills.

When you compare it to Guardian/Dragonhunter… It’s almost like playing another game, with different developpers that have a different mindset.
Like I often said : inconsistent.

Your post title should be amended to “What is a proper Elite Specialization Name?”, as that is what this is trying to address.

•Crusader
•Templar
•Seeker
•Justiciar
•Patron
•Warden
•Dragonhunter
•Lightbow
•Paragon
•Guardian Angel
•Valkyrie
•Witch Hunter

•Crusader – Crusaders do not fit the gameplay style of the Guardian specialization.

•Templar – Essentially Crusaders.

•Seeker – Nothing inherently wrong with this one. Actually I quite like it.

•Justiciar – Justicars do not fit the gameplay style of the Guardian specialization.

•Patron – Does not strictly imply sainthood, but also a customer or a defender/protector (like a father). Still, the word does not find common usage anymore for the defender/protector definition.

•Warden – Not a bad one, I could see this possibly working, but I wouldn’t associate it with the gameplay of the spec so much.

•Dragonhunter – Obviously what they went with, it’s a bit clunky but it does fit exactly what it does. If they changed it to Draconnier (the French variant) then I would be thoroughly pleased.

•Lightbow – lel

•Paragon – Paragons do not fit the gameplay style of the Guardian specialization. If the abilities were different, then I would suggest this instead.

•Guardian Angel – lel

•Valkyrie – Woman-only

•Witch Hunter – lel

I’ve been wavering all over the place on this, I think. I’ve seen some good points about “Dragonhunter” after all, and I don’t mind it being mushed together like that since I commit the compound word sin all the time myself, perhaps thanks to having studied German for five years.

Yet I still think there could be a better name. “Avenger” grabbed me. Now I’m seeing a few proponents of “Seeker” and that seems to really fit nicely to what we’ve seen so far. “Arbiter” is the Reddit favorite, but as someone with a long legal background it just doesn’t feel good since it really means a neutral facilitator of negotiation.

Ready Up! is in an hour. When that’s done, I might move on to a new favorite name.

(I told my husband about this furor last night. He doesn’t play the game. He asked why not name it “Computer IT Specialist” since more people can relate to that profession, and I about died laughing. Love that man).

Mo Mo.1947:

New spec name suggestion:

Ghostpunch Rangescreamer. Fits the spec just as well as Dragonhunter.

I fully endorse Ghostpunch Rangescreamer and find it fits the specialization theme far better than Dragonhunter. Bring on the Ghostpunches!

Also, this thread has become a jumbled mess. ;_;

Everyone stop making 1000 threads whining about the name of the Guardian specialization. It is just going to get merged so you might as well just post in the mega thread.

When they do that, its absolutely fine with me.
If not, then it must have had a reason and thats then also totally fine with me :P

Despite the Mega Thread being focused just only on Dragonhunters, this Thread can be seen basically for all Classes and their upcoming Elite Specializations but I chose just to talk about the Guardian one here for now, because its the most recent one, that created basically a peep storm like no other name in this game and I find it personally anstounding, that so far none of the Devs reacts on this, not even Gaile so far in the Mega Thread that they started today to make as the SS became quickly bigger and bigger

PS:

@ Mini: thx for the hint, adjusted the topic title.

PPS: my thread topic was clearly chosen to be a more philosophical question to make people in general think more about it, if what they have in mind actually does fit for what they suggest it for. Thats why i am also thankful for Minis hitn, because without that correction, this philosophical meaning would have been lost from the question.

ronpierce.2760:

The merge shuffled my Poll into this mess.

Unfortunately, that’s what happens when people don’t check the forums before creating a hundred new threads about the same topic.

@Donari – I am not a fan of Arbitor either. I feel the same way about Zealot as well. The only other names I would of liked are Sentinel or Avenger. But to be honest, I am perfectly ok with Dragonhunter.

The name should be:

1. Evocative/Meaningful
2. Distinct
3. Most Appropriate as a subset of the chosen Profession
4. Appropriate in the game world in general
5. Suggestive of the mechanics/skills of the specialization.
6. Not something that makes a large number of people cringe when seeing it.

Dragonhunter failed the cringe test, the most appropriate test, and the distinct test. Druid passes all 6. Chronomancer passes all 6.

I really like Lightbringer.
Although Seeker sounds like a more angelic way of saying Dragonhunter.

DarkSyze.8627:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Miss Lana.5276:

Gilburt.9146:

Dragonhunter makes no sense as a specialization name and Chronomancer does. The Mesmer elite specialization name does make sense. Why? Because you specialize as a Chronomancer to manipulate time. Do you specialize as a Dragonhunter to hunt dragons? No. You will hunt and fight all types foes, not just “big game.”

Also, there is nothing innately Guardian about being a Dragonhunter. Why couldn’t a Warrior or Ranger hunt dragons? There’s not really any reason Dragonhunter fits the Guardian anymore than it could fit those professions. Why wouldn’t an armored master of combat or master of the nature want to hunt big game? They are arguably even more suited to the name than Guardians.

Personally I would prefer Sentinel as it fits the theme of defending from a range with longbow and setting traps.

Edit: Also, lol at the OPs argument. “These names are used elsewhere at some place and some time: therefore they are bad.” What?

Agreed. My Necro hunts dragons. Isn’t she a Dragonhunter already?

The two words mashed into one name doesn’t work – at all.

As I said in a nother post… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game.

Edit:

Nike.2631:

I am happy with the current name.

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

+1

So well written and true.

Second Edit:

Farzo.8410:

The problem is that the name Dragonhunter can be given to any of the profession and make skills around it.

Whereas Chronomancer… It can only be given to Mesmer, and Mesmer only, no other profession fits with the Chronomancer description at all, and it makes it unique to that profession.

But everyone can call themselves a Dragonhunter.

Again… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game. We are all fighting a War so we are all Warriors.

I Disagree-

We are all fighters: Fighters fight because they fight

Fighters Do Not Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Warriors Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Fighters Run From Death

Warriors Run Toward Death

That Is What Make A Warrior

That Is Why The Role Only Fit For The Warrior

That Is Why Not Everyone Can Be A Warrior

Yes! All classes other than warrior need to be the new “fighter” class. This class will just canoodle around in the back with bows and rifles. Then there won’t be any stealth, and no stealth means no hackers! Because all hackers are thieves and all thieves are hackers! No more 60k backstabs! Warriors would finally be able to faceroll valiantly into battle the way they were meant to.

Eurhetemec.9052:

Xenon.4537:

This is the thread for us crazy people who don’t think “Dragonhunter” is such a bad name. In fact, I personally like the name. I hear people call it “childish” as if a 12-year-old thought of it. And in the same breath those people suggest things like…

Guardian Angel
Archangel

Angels are associated with the christian and muslim god, and are supposed to be divine, immortal, and incredibly powerful beyond mortal means… Not exactly GW2 flavor.

Zealot

What is this, Starcraft? MY LIFE FOR HIRE
….no….

Janissary

What is this, Age of Empires?

Sentinel
Celestial

Naming things after gear now? Why…

Centurion

Cylons? Frakk that.

Vanguard
Justiciar

What is this, Mass effect2?

Legionnaire

There are already legionnaires in GW2, and they are exclusively related to the Charr military structure.

Monk

There was already once a class with this name in GW1, and it was almost purely supportive and designed for healing. Anet clearly wanted to give the guardian an aggressive ranged option for combat. Monks were never about range or pure DPS.

Savior
Sanctifier
Saint

Too religious… Christian in particular… Sorry but not all of us are Christian, and Anet has always been careful not to put any specific references to real world ideologies.

Diviner

Do you even know what divining is? What does that have to do with combat, particularly aggressive offense with a bow and mobility?

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I just want to say that my personal take on the Dragonhunter name is that Anet took the established theme of the guardian as the “master of defense” and applied the adage “the best defense is a good offense.” In kungkittenis it said that the hand which strikes also blocks. Mordremoth presents a clear and present danger to the world, and Tyrians must adapt to the threat to survive. The Dragonhunter is a specialization which was born specifically to tackle the dragon threat. That’s the lore side of it anyway.

On to the practical side of the name. Anet clearly wanted to make a ranged attack spec for the guardian, should they want it. Something a little less defensive, and with the ability to tag mobs at range like everyone else. Guardian core spec has plenty of melee already. When coming up with a name for anything, that name must convey a sense of what that thing is supposed to be and do. You don’t name Game of Thrones “Fluffy Bunny Fuffles.” There is a purpose to a name beyond sounding cool on its own. It needs to convey the context of the item it describes.

These have to be the most ridiculous and petty objections to names I’ve ever seen. You’re basically saying “This name was used once before in a different and unrelated context, so you can’t use it!”, which is just beyond laughable and well into sad and shameful.

I mean, by your logic, we could object to every single name in GW2, and we could also object to well, Dragonhunter.

So wow, epic fail.

(I don’t hate Dragonhunter, but your objections here are embarrassing).

I agree!!

I think Vanguard, Legionnaire, Seraphim are the best fitting names. I don’t care if they been used before in other games or even in this game. This specialization just does not scream out “Dragonhunter”.

Nike.2631:

Come at me, bro.
((places another trap))

Ok, after watching the Ready Up reveals I am SO looking forward to this.

Warkind.6745:

DarkSyze.8627:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Miss Lana.5276:

Gilburt.9146:

Dragonhunter makes no sense as a specialization name and Chronomancer does. The Mesmer elite specialization name does make sense. Why? Because you specialize as a Chronomancer to manipulate time. Do you specialize as a Dragonhunter to hunt dragons? No. You will hunt and fight all types foes, not just “big game.”

Also, there is nothing innately Guardian about being a Dragonhunter. Why couldn’t a Warrior or Ranger hunt dragons? There’s not really any reason Dragonhunter fits the Guardian anymore than it could fit those professions. Why wouldn’t an armored master of combat or master of the nature want to hunt big game? They are arguably even more suited to the name than Guardians.

Personally I would prefer Sentinel as it fits the theme of defending from a range with longbow and setting traps.

Edit: Also, lol at the OPs argument. “These names are used elsewhere at some place and some time: therefore they are bad.” What?

Agreed. My Necro hunts dragons. Isn’t she a Dragonhunter already?

The two words mashed into one name doesn’t work – at all.

As I said in a nother post… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game.

Edit:

Nike.2631:

I am happy with the current name.

New Weapon: The bow – one of the greatest, most iconic hunting tools in the history of the human race

New Skill category: Traps – one of the most essential hunting tools in the history of the human race.

The Enemy: Elder Dragons – the ultimate peril of the world of Tyria. If we do not strive against them with our every breath, all will die.

New Profession: The Dragon Hunter – “I take the tools of the hunter and turn them against the foes that must be fought. For the good of all.”

The name wasn’t picked out of a hat… Its a graceful bit of shorthand both summing up and evoking many elements the profession encompasses.

+1

So well written and true.

Second Edit:

Farzo.8410:

The problem is that the name Dragonhunter can be given to any of the profession and make skills around it.

Whereas Chronomancer… It can only be given to Mesmer, and Mesmer only, no other profession fits with the Chronomancer description at all, and it makes it unique to that profession.

But everyone can call themselves a Dragonhunter.

Again… My Engineer is a Warrior for my borderland in WvW but I don’t go complain that there is a Warrior class in this game. We are all fighting a War so we are all Warriors.

I Disagree-

We are all fighters: Fighters fight because they fight

Fighters Do Not Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Warriors Sacrifice Their Lives For Others

Fighters Run From Death

Warriors Run Toward Death

That Is What Make A Warrior

That Is Why The Role Only Fit For The Warrior

That Is Why Not Everyone Can Be A Warrior

Yes! All classes other than warrior need to be the new “fighter” class. This class will just canoodle around in the back with bows and rifles. Then there won’t be any stealth, and no stealth means no hackers! Because all hackers are thieves and all thieves are hackers! No more 60k backstabs! Warriors would finally be able to faceroll valiantly into battle the way they were meant to.

This is a terrible argument.

Every profession that fights is not a fighter, and every fighter is not a Warrior! A true Warrior will let you know the difference, and teach one to stay in their line and play their roll!

On the stream, the way they talked about Guardians fitting the role of witch hunter, my immediate thought was Inquisitor. Doesn’t make much sense for traps but I still like it better than Dragonhunter.

Vanguard, Pathfinder, Sentinel, Vindicator, Warden, and Zealot are also cool names I would pick.