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It doesn’t seem that we have any hope left for name-change as there hasn’t been any post from Anet since Jon’s.
but at the same time Dragonhunter still doesn’t sound right. my only problem with it is it is too ‘specific’ and that they are supposed to kill only dragons and not anything else.

Relax, people. Even if he was going to change, things don’t just happen in a week. I’m, more or less, interested in the next spec’s name and abilities atm.

Yeah , but just think of all the Data Anet’s been getting just for sparking a little forum war, I haven’t seen an arms race of back and forth like this in ages.

Leo G.4501:

Relax, people. Even if he was going to change, things don’t just happen in a week. I’m, more or less, interested in the next spec’s name and abilities atm.

Oh they’re not going to change the specialization name now, regardless of the feedback given. They’re just going to ignore this for however long it takes for us to swallow it and move on (which a lot of people are already doing).

Overall, I’d like a name change. Arbiter is my favorite so far. But as people have said, all in all it really is just a name. I think I’ve actually seen my Guardians class name a dozen times or less (I rarely even pay attention to it anymore).

So IMO it’s really one of those oddball situations. based on the sheer number of posts in this thread (900+ and counting when i posted this), it struck a chord with quite a few people. But on a more logical side of things, it doesn’t impact the player’s ability to play or maximize the class. RP folks will be a bit bent though.

Still…Since it is just a name…why not change it?

Stalwart Defender

Yeah, it feels a bit off but it’s better than them going back to Paragon or something. It fits with the longbow and traps at least.

Harbinger.
Warden.
Warder.
Seeker.
Sentinel.
Arbiter.
Sentry.
Justicar.
Protector.
Templar.
Gallant.
Arclight.
Keeper.
Liberator.
Watcher.
Omen.
Diviner.
Crusader.
Templar.
Inquisitor.
Farlight.

I’m calling it as I see it- The reason we got the name Dragonhunter insead of any of the above was because it’s a poor attempt to give the class a skin-theme where no theme was needed. It’s difficult to come up with skins for a “Warder” or an “Arbiter” or a “Harbinger” so they said “kitten it, dragon theme it.” They then executed this with lackluster bow/glove skins and one (JUST ONE) dragon “themed” skill, Dragon’s Maw, which could’ve just as easily been named “Glint’s Something or Other” or “Devouring Justice” or blahblahblah.

If they keep it, the “high concept” will likely become a meme to the point nothing they say can be taken seriously.

Boro.7359:

If they keep it, the “high concept” will likely become a meme to the point nothing they say can be taken seriously.

So we got:

- high concept
- nothing is off the table
- too confusing for new player
- Collins Face
- I swing a Sword, Swing a Sword, Swing a Sword
- SAB or Riot
- Hobosacks
- Charr Armor Riot (CAR)
- and many others…

I think the “Dragon Hunter” name is too confusing for new players, and even veteran players. We may not take off the table the idea to change the specialization name to an higher concept name more linked to the actual capacities of the specialization and less to their low grounded goal to kill dragons.

I also one of those who was “unable to grasp this high concept”, but I still think it’s not very exciting. It does sound bland and somehow makes me less excited about the guardian’s elite spec. (However, the mechanics and the longbow are sexy.)

I’d also wholeheartedly support a name change.

Agyaggalamb.4796:

I also one of those who was “unable to grasp this high concept”, but I still think it’s not very exciting. It does sound bland and somehow makes me less excited about the guardian’s elite spec. (However, the mechanics and the longbow are sexy.)

I’d also wholeheartedly support a name change.

The specialization new mechanics are fine. But the name is really awful and the same is true for the skins chosen for the guardian in the trailer. Now the combo of the two gives: “OMG WHAT IS THIS HORRIBLE THING ?! The mesmer spec was so awesome that i’m begining map completion with mine but that…. Why so much hate for my beloved guardian ?” cry

Caerbanog.3410:

The specialization new mechanics are fine. But the name is really awful and the same is true for the skins chosen for the guardian in the trailer. Now the combo of the two gives: “OMG WHAT IS THIS HORRIBLE THING ?! The mesmer spec was so awesome that i’m begining map completion with mine but that…. Why so much hate for my beloved guardian ?” cry

Well, I think that Anet made a mistake by revealing the Chronomancer first, since I can’t see how any of the other specializations, save perhaps the Tempest, can hope to equal it in visual awesomness. I mean, I really love my Engineer main, but I now that the elite spec will look bland compared to most of the others.

I definitely agree that the name “Dragonhunter” is bad choice. It doesn’t fit at all. I’ll compare it to Chronomancer, to show why I think that Dragonhunter doesn’t fit.

Chronomancer means Time Mage. New skills and mechanics are about time manipulation. Alacrity has an influence on time of skills recharge. Continuum Split & Shift allows to make a “checkpoint” in time which allows them to come back to specific “point in time”. Via quickness and slow it’s like Chronomancer speeds up allies action in time and slows action in time. Shield skill 4 “freeze” enemies in time and grants quickness to allies. Skill 5 grants phantasm with alacrity and they can speed up themselves. Wells are also about time&space manipulation. To sum it up: name “Chronomancer” fits perfectly, because it’s gameplay, new mechanic, concept and name says “I am Chronomancer and I wield powers of time manipulation”.

Comparing this to Guardian’s spec. Does gameplay, mechanic, concept and name together show that this is “Dragonhunter”? Not at all. There is only elite skill with dragon-like animation, new gauntlets and bow. That’s it. Imagine watching trailer of this spec for the first time without name in YT description. Imagine YT description of the video is “New Guardian Specialization!” and that’s it. Imagine watching Devs’ stream showing gameplay of the spec without them revealing name. Would you have a thought that this class is “Dragonhunter”? I don’t think so. New virtues are more suitable for Paragon-like specialization. Longbow skills: we shoot arrows imbued with light + symbol + trap-like 5 skill. Nothing fiting “Dragonhunter” till now. Trap skills: Traps/Symbols imbued with light, really nice animations. Nothing seems like it has something to do with dragons, except elite skill with dragon’s maw animation.

So it seems like that Guardian’s specialization is named after one elite skills, because gameplay and new mechanic don’t define name “Dragonhunter”. What are my thoughts about specialization after seeing gameplay. “I defeat my enemies from the distance. Piercing their chests with holy light (arrows) and slowing them down (traps) is the way how I fight. The final judgement will come unexpectedly. They will burn in holy light! (traps are light-imbued)” These are my thoughts after seeing the gameplay, mechanics, animation and concept art. This description doesn’t fit Dragonhunter at all. In the end this is Guardian’s specialization, so the name of the spec should be tied at least a little to main profession. I will repeat myself, but “Dragonhunter” doesn’t fit at all even in this case.

Please consider changing the name of specialization.

Caerbanog.3410:

The specialization new mechanics are fine. But the name is really awful and the same is true for the skins chosen for the guardian in the trailer. Now the combo of the two gives: “OMG WHAT IS THIS HORRIBLE THING ?! The mesmer spec was so awesome that i’m begining map completion with mine but that…. Why so much hate for my beloved guardian ?” cry

Funny you would say that. I remember the initial feedback to Chrono was either “OMG OP nerf”, or “Anet completely failed to deliver on their promise of sufficient compensation for classes who will only receive an off-hand weapon”.

And I dare to make the prediction that after elite Necro is revealed, there will be enough complaints to fill the front page, and Dragonhunter will suddenly be a decent elite spec, not like that Necro disaster.

RabbitUp.8294:

Funny you would say that. I remember the initial feedback to Chrono was either “OMG OP nerf”, or “Anet completely failed to deliver on their promise of sufficient compensation for classes who will only receive an off-hand weapon”.

And I dare to make the prediction that after elite Necro is revealed, there will be enough complaints to fill the front page, and Dragonhunter will suddenly be a decent elite spec, not like that Necro disaster.

Sooooo… where is your point?
Arenanet’s idea becomes crappier over the time?

I don’t feel like reading through pages of arguments. I read someone’s facebook post about a possible “why” to it being called a Dragonhunter, and figure I’d re-post.

“I believe the Dragon Hunter is going to have a story reference behind it
specifically involving Braham and Eir
Braham will become specialized as a Dragon Hunter after a scenario occurs and he will be taking up Eir’s bow when he does it

the Specifics of the Scenario are not listed because I’d rather people think for themselves plus I don’t want to spoil anything if I happen to be right about what I think is coming

but that being said I think Braham will wield Eirs bow and declare himself a Dragonhunter effectively creating/naming the Guardian specialization…"

origin.1496:

I don’t feel like reading through pages of arguments. I read someone’s facebook post about a possible “why” to it being called a Dragonhunter, and figure I’d re-post.

“I believe the Dragon Hunter is going to have a story reference behind it
specifically involving Braham and Eir
Braham will become specialized as a Dragon Hunter after a scenario occurs and he will be taking up Eir’s bow when he does it

the Specifics of the Scenario are not listed because I’d rather people think for themselves plus I don’t want to spoil anything if I happen to be right about what I think is coming

but that being said I think Braham will wield Eirs bow and declare himself a Dragonhunter effectively creating/naming the Guardian specialization…"

Maybe Braham will have a reason to call himself a Dragonhunter, but we won’t.

Perhaps it’s similar to how Revanants came to GW2 and learned from Rytlock. Maybe, if Braham did become the first Dragonhunter officially, other guardians took the mantle and followed.
Marjory took Belinda’s greatsword, and now Necro’s elite spec is greatsword. These elite specs are story related and I’m guessing the names come from that story.
#onlymyopinionanyway

Love the longbow; the traps aren’t for me, but I think they’re a great addition to the guardian’s skill set (because kitten nal is filtered XD) – however, the name really is so bad that it could put me off this specialisation entirely. Dozens of better names have been suggested.

I know we have the theory about Braham and the post about witch hunters; but one is speculation at best (and even if it were true, Braham could just as easily call himself a dragonhunter in game, wouldn’t have to affect us), while the other was over thinking things and made us sound more like White Mantle fanatics than guardians.

All in all, the name sounds stupid. Renaming it, and maybe the elite skill, would be all that’s needed. We’re not asking anyone to redesign the specialisation from scratch.

AikunFelcis.7258:

origin.1496:

I don’t feel like reading through pages of arguments. I read someone’s facebook post about a possible “why” to it being called a Dragonhunter, and figure I’d re-post.

“I believe the Dragon Hunter is going to have a story reference behind it
specifically involving Braham and Eir
Braham will become specialized as a Dragon Hunter after a scenario occurs and he will be taking up Eir’s bow when he does it

the Specifics of the Scenario are not listed because I’d rather people think for themselves plus I don’t want to spoil anything if I happen to be right about what I think is coming

but that being said I think Braham will wield Eirs bow and declare himself a Dragonhunter effectively creating/naming the Guardian specialization…"

Maybe Braham will have a reason to call himself a Dragonhunter, but we won’t.

So those that choose to follow Braham’s path will become Dragonhunters and those that choose not to will not. If you’re a Guardian and don’t feel like being a Dragonhunter, then you don’t have to be. However, if this plays out like the theory states, the only reason Guardians would start picking up the longbows and traps is because of Braham’s influence, just like how Revenants will only start popping up because of Rytlock.

If you’re a Guardian who picks up the longbow and doesn’t feel like “hunting dragons”, then obviously you don’t have to do that either, but ultimately your character would have been inspired by Braham, the Dragonhunter in the first place. It doesn’t seem unreasonable.

purecontact.1680:

Sooooo… where is your point?
Arenanet’s idea becomes crappier over the time?

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

origin.1496:

Perhaps it’s similar to how Revanants came to GW2 and learned from Rytlock. Maybe, if Braham did become the first Dragonhunter officially, other guardians took the mantle and followed.
Marjory took Belinda’s greatsword, and now Necro’s elite spec is greatsword. These elite specs are story related and I’m guessing the names come from that story.
#onlymyopinionanyway

Rytlock is the first Revenant we know, not the very first one, because we start out personal story when Rylock is still Warrior, we will kill Zhaitan with our Revenants and Rytlock then is still warrior. So it’s not like Rytlock will teach us this profession. This argument is invalid. Personally I don’t like the idea that specializations are named because of story. If so, then gameplay and mechanic of specialization should fit the name and in case of Guardian’s specialization, gameplay and mechanic doesn’t fit the name Dragonhunter.

AikunFelcis.7258:

origin.1496:

Perhaps it’s similar to how Revanants came to GW2 and learned from Rytlock. Maybe, if Braham did become the first Dragonhunter officially, other guardians took the mantle and followed.
Marjory took Belinda’s greatsword, and now Necro’s elite spec is greatsword. These elite specs are story related and I’m guessing the names come from that story.
#onlymyopinionanyway

Rytlock is the first Revenant we know, not the very first one, because we start out personal story when Rylock is still Warrior, we will kill Zhaitan with our Revenants and Rytlock then is still warrior. So it’s not like Rytlock will teach us this profession. This argument is invalid. Personally I don’t like the idea that specializations are named because of story. If so, then gameplay and mechanic of specialization should fit the name and in case of Guardian’s specialization, gameplay and mechanic doesn’t fit the name Dragonhunter.

Well, in that case, then there is already an order or Guardians known as “Dragonhunters” that Braham might decide to follow later on. These elite specs can be unlocked at 80 (I think with a mastery track? I don’t recall), but like how Rytlock wouldn’t be the first Revenant, then Braham wouldn’t be the first Dragonhunter. After all, Zhaitan had been plaguing Tyria for a couple of years now, so it’s not unreasonable to think that these guys could have been around at least since then.

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

MiniEquine.6014:

AikunFelcis.7258:

origin.1496:

I don’t feel like reading through pages of arguments. I read someone’s facebook post about a possible “why” to it being called a Dragonhunter, and figure I’d re-post.

“I believe the Dragon Hunter is going to have a story reference behind it
specifically involving Braham and Eir
Braham will become specialized as a Dragon Hunter after a scenario occurs and he will be taking up Eir’s bow when he does it

the Specifics of the Scenario are not listed because I’d rather people think for themselves plus I don’t want to spoil anything if I happen to be right about what I think is coming

but that being said I think Braham will wield Eirs bow and declare himself a Dragonhunter effectively creating/naming the Guardian specialization…"

Maybe Braham will have a reason to call himself a Dragonhunter, but we won’t.

So those that choose to follow Braham’s path will become Dragonhunters and those that choose not to will not. If you’re a Guardian and don’t feel like being a Dragonhunter, then you don’t have to be. However, if this plays out like the theory states, the only reason Guardians would start picking up the longbows and traps is because of Braham’s influence, just like how Revenants will only start popping up because of Rytlock.

If you’re a Guardian who picks up the longbow and doesn’t feel like “hunting dragons”, then obviously you don’t have to do that either, but ultimately your character would have been inspired by Braham, the Dragonhunter in the first place. It doesn’t seem unreasonable.

I don’t agree with this. Specialization should have name reflecting their abilities, gameplay and mechanic, not because one Norn (possibly) had mommy issues and got new toy from her to play with. Nothing in new specialization says this is Dragonhunter. One elite skill with dragon’s maw animation is not enough to name a spec that way. For now Guardian’s specialziation seems to be a holy warrior shooting light-imbued arrows and setting light-imbued traps ( holy arrows? holy traps?). So there is nothing that fits the spec’s name. There is nothing dragonhuntery in this spec to be honest.

MiniEquine.6014:

AikunFelcis.7258:

origin.1496:

Perhaps it’s similar to how Revanants came to GW2 and learned from Rytlock. Maybe, if Braham did become the first Dragonhunter officially, other guardians took the mantle and followed.
Marjory took Belinda’s greatsword, and now Necro’s elite spec is greatsword. These elite specs are story related and I’m guessing the names come from that story.
#onlymyopinionanyway

Rytlock is the first Revenant we know, not the very first one, because we start out personal story when Rylock is still Warrior, we will kill Zhaitan with our Revenants and Rytlock then is still warrior. So it’s not like Rytlock will teach us this profession. This argument is invalid. Personally I don’t like the idea that specializations are named because of story. If so, then gameplay and mechanic of specialization should fit the name and in case of Guardian’s specialization, gameplay and mechanic doesn’t fit the name Dragonhunter.

Well, in that case, then there is already an order or Guardians known as “Dragonhunters” that Braham might decide to follow later on. These elite specs can be unlocked at 80 (I think with a mastery track? I don’t recall), but like how Rytlock wouldn’t be the first Revenant, then Braham wouldn’t be the first Dragonhunter. After all, Zhaitan had been plaguing Tyria for a couple of years now, so it’s not unreasonable to think that these guys could have been around at least since then.

We have Orders like Vigil and there is no profession/specialziation named after them, so I don’t see any reason why to make an exception in this case. BTW, can you link me to wiki to article about Guardian’s Order of Dragonhunters? I’ve never seen any information about it. maybe because such Order doesn’t exist?

RabbitUp.8294:

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

Proper timeline:

1.We have our personal story concluded with killing Zhaitan. Rytlock is still warrior.
2.Season 1. We start living world, we meet Braham and gang. Rytlock is still warrior.
3.Season 2. Rytlock goes for Sohothin and disappears int the Mists.
4.Personal story 2, Heart of Thorns: Rytlock comes back as Revenant.

With creation of new character, we go through these steps in order 1 to 4. Living World Season 1 is not implemented to be replayable yet, but still this is proper timeline for events. So when i create Revenant, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Rytlock when he is still a Warrior. My Revenant will even help him when I play Season 2 to deal with ghosts from Ascalon and he will go missing then (to that point he still is warrior and I am already Revenant). He will appear again when my Revenant will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

I’d figured Dragon Hunter came from Braham working more closely with his Ranger mother. She started teaching him how to use a bow and literally hunt thing, specifically the draconic quarry he’s oath-sworn to help you destroy. So Braham learned to hunt dragons for his crusader-like dedication to actively protect people and your character can be similarly focused.

Lord Rheios.4152:

I’d figured Dragon Hunter came from Braham working more closely with his Ranger mother. She started teaching him how to use a bow and literally hunt thing, specifically the draconic quarry he’s oath-sworn to help you destroy. So Braham learned to hunt dragons for his crusader-like dedication to actively protect people and your character can be similarly focused.

And all adventurers that start their carrier by killing 5 rats in a tavern basement must be called “Rat Killer” ?

AikunFelcis.7258:

RabbitUp.8294:

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

Proper timeline:

1.We have our personal story concluded with killing Zhaitan. Rytlock is still warrior.
2.Season 1. We start living world, we meet Braham and gang. Rytlock is still warrior.
3.Season 2. Rytlock goes for Sohothin and disappears int the Mists.
4.Personal story 2, Heart of Thorns: Rytlock comes back as Revenant.

With creation of new character, we go through these steps in order 1 to 4. Living World Season 1 is not implemented to be replayable yet, but still this is proper timeline for events. So when i create Revenant, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Rytlock when he is still a Warrior. My Revenant will even help him when I play Season 2 to deal with ghosts from Ascalon and he will go missing then (to that point he still is warrior and I am already Revenant). He will appear again when my Revenant will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

I’m aware of the proper timeline. There are also a myriad ways of breaking it. Heck, you don’t even have to try, if you are a Sylvari, after you are done with the personal stuff and the orders, you are reintroduced to Trahearne as if you meet him for the first time, who then introduces you to the Pale Tree (again). Even Mother Tree is treating you as a stranger.

Even if Rytlock is not the first Revenant, we are expected to pretend that this strange new profession was always around us all this time and fought by our side. It’s a retcon one way or another and it will mess with the established lore.

AikunFelcis.7258:

We have Orders like Vigil and there is no profession/specialziation named after them, so I don’t see any reason why to make an exception in this case. BTW, can you link me to wiki to article about Guardian’s Order of Dragonhunters? I’ve never seen any information about it. maybe because such Order doesn’t exist?

The absence of a Wiki article does not mean something doesn’t exist. However, let’s look at what you said here:

AikunFelcis.7258:

RabbitUp.8294:

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

Proper timeline:

1.We have our personal story concluded with killing Zhaitan. Rytlock is still warrior.
2.Season 1. We start living world, we meet Braham and gang. Rytlock is still warrior.
3.Season 2. Rytlock goes for Sohothin and disappears int the Mists.
4.Personal story 2, Heart of Thorns: Rytlock comes back as Revenant.

With creation of new character, we go through these steps in order 1 to 4. Living World Season 1 is not implemented to be replayable yet, but still this is proper timeline for events. So when i create Revenant, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Rytlock when he is still a Warrior. My Revenant will even help him when I play Season 2 to deal with ghosts from Ascalon and he will go missing then (to that point he still is warrior and I am already Revenant). He will appear again when my Revenant will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

So when I create Dragonhunter, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Braham when he is still a Guardian. My Dragonhunter will even help him when I play Season 3 to deal with Mordrem from the Jungle and he will go find Eir dead (or whatever) (to that point he still is Guardian and I am already Dragonhunter). He will appear again when my Dragonhunter will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

This is literally the exact same scenario.

Caerbanog.3410:

And all adventurers that start their carrier by killing 5 rats in a tavern basement must be called “Rat Killer” ?

If they make an order, call it that, and dedicate themselves to hunting down rats, then yes.

We only have speculations to work with at this point. They will introduce us to the proper lore one way or the other, and then you can argue whether dragonhunters make sense in the universe.

RabbitUp.8294:

Gibson.4036:

I’ve noticed an inverse correlation between developer participation and player harshness.

In threads where a developer shows up and joins the dialogue, the snark and rage simmers right down and people get more respectful (there are always stand out bad apples). You’ll see this in economic discussions with Mr. Smith, or the CDIs. Or when Gaile pops in for a little back and forth.

Just an observation.

The discussion turned a lot more aggressive after Jon posted. Just because people misunderstood a specific term they could have easily googled for.

Well, I did specify joining the dialogue, not dropping a single explanation post and shadowstepping out.

Lord Rheios.4152:

I’d figured Dragon Hunter came from Braham working more closely with his Ranger mother. She started teaching him how to use a bow and literally hunt thing, specifically the draconic quarry he’s oath-sworn to help you destroy. So Braham learned to hunt dragons for his crusader-like dedication to actively protect people and your character can be similarly focused.

My guardian is the daughter of a fisherman and he died killed by a quaggan.
He started teaching me how to use a fishing rod and literally fish thing, specifically the quaggan quarry my whole guild’s oath-sworn to help me destroy.
So my character’s learned to fish quaggan for her crusader-like dedication to actively protect fishermen and your character can be similarly focused.

Quagganfisher were born.

Troll appart, naming a specialization from very specific storyline isn’t a good thing.
The braham’s story line doesn’t define my character, it define braham’s one.
If he wants to found the dragonhunter order/faction, I’ll help him to do so like I’ve helped Trahearn with the Pact but I’m not ok if it impacts my character’s so heavily.

What annoys me the most for the dragonhunter name is the explaination from Jon Peters:

JonPeters.5630:

A couple notes on Dragonhunter. We went with this name because we felt it was evocative of the medieval witch hunters. Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions. I understand this is a lot more high concept than Mesmer but at the end of the day we felt like we wanted to try and push a more mature theme here. I hope this helps explain our thinking. We had other generic names in mind but felt like it was important to have a mix of spec names that are generic fantasy, more Tyrian fantasy, and more high concept. This one falls more in the third category.

Thanks,

Jon

I’m ok if “Guardians fight for justice”, I’m not if that made me join the “dragonhunter faction (who) believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions”.

I want to fight for justice but dear Mr. Peters, you went too far when you set in stone why I am fighting.
It should be up to the player to chose which way his character follow.

If I chose to follow the dragonhunter path, that should be my personal choice like when I chose to be a noble looking for my sister’s body.
I had to chose one of the different symbol of my dedication and I didn’t chose the one which fits to the fanatics’ approach of dragonhunter.

This roleplay story I chose during my character’s creation didn’t affect my gameplay.
Choose whether I want to be a part of the dragonhunter’s faction or not shouldn’t affect my gameplay.

purecontact.1680:

This roleplay story I chose during my character’s creation didn’t affect my gameplay.
Choose whether I want to be a part of the dragonhunter’s faction or not shouldn’t affect my gameplay.

It doesn’t actually have an affect on you, it’s really just a name. Even if you don’t “follow the path of the Dragonhunter” and you wield a longbow, you are not obligated to hunt dragons but the reason why you wield a bow and use traps is because of the Dragonhunters.

People are now just complaining for the sake of complaining. What is next? Dragonhunter killed my puppy?

Red Jay.2516:

People are now just complaining for the sake of complaining. What is next? Dragonhunter killed my puppy?

Well, at first it was a pretty interesting and formal feedback thread (past the first shock), but what led us into complicated discussions is nothing more than us feeling obliged to justify anything we would say in front of people like you constantly questionning our reasons to not like Dragonhunter or even to discuss. When actually, not liking it is the only good reason to tell the devs that we… well… just don’t like it.

Of course it is always good to explain why you don’t like something. But it’s too bad that we have to explain every bit of our reasonings to feel like we have the right to say something, especially when we always have someone to ask us to explain our explanations and so on…

Anyway if the discussion doesn’t interest you why are you there ? Just let us be, it won’t change anything for you.

Red Jay.2516:

People are now just complaining for the sake of complaining. What is next? Dragonhunter killed my puppy?

Nah, more like Dragonhunter killed my pet Drake. :p

purecontact.1680:

It should be up to the player to chose which way his character follow.

If I chose to follow the dragonhunter path, that should be my personal choice like when I chose to be a noble looking for my sister’s body.

And that’s exactly what elite specs are, optional.

RabbitUp.8294:

purecontact.1680:

It should be up to the player to chose which way his character follow.

If I chose to follow the dragonhunter path, that should be my personal choice like when I chose to be a noble looking for my sister’s body.

And that’s exactly what elite specs are, optional.

No they are NOT, right at the moment where Anet crosses the line and mixes up lore with class/specialization design concepts, its not anymore a neutral optional decision that you make to decide which elite specialization you give to your character.

Everyone who dislikes the motives of that D-Junk will be automatically locked out basically from this Elite Specialization, if they don’t want to get immersion breaked with their characters they play.

If Anet would give the profession a real and proper fitting name, like Seeker, Sentinel, Inquisitor and the likes, this wouldn’t be the case and all those people which hate that idiotic term of dragonhanter to the fullest would have instantly no problems anymore, while those that have no problem with the name could care less about it, if the spec is named now in the end DH or not …

I personally can’t imagine myself right now how immersion breaking this crap must be for everyone who plays currently a Sylvari Guardian …

The Sylvari Dragonhunter argument (proposing that Sylvari shouldn’t be Dragonhunters due to their existence being owed to Mordremoth) has been brought up a lot recently, but maybe we should look at it from a different angle, instead of just proclaiming how much it breaks lore.

I think Sylvari have more motivation to become Dragonhunters than any other race. Why? Because of dragons, specifically Mordremoth, Sylvari are now feared and cast out by the other races (or will be) but by becoming a Dragonhunter it sets them up with the resources to learn more about the dragons, resist Mordremoth’s corruption, and to avenge their race by helping to defeat Mordremoth.

I realize a lot of people are tired of the Sylvari spotlight, but you can’t deny the motivation is there and perfectly in line with current lore.

MiniEquine.6014:

AikunFelcis.7258:

We have Orders like Vigil and there is no profession/specialziation named after them, so I don’t see any reason why to make an exception in this case. BTW, can you link me to wiki to article about Guardian’s Order of Dragonhunters? I’ve never seen any information about it. maybe because such Order doesn’t exist?

The absence of a Wiki article does not mean something doesn’t exist. However, let’s look at what you said here:

AikunFelcis.7258:

RabbitUp.8294:

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

Proper timeline:

1.We have our personal story concluded with killing Zhaitan. Rytlock is still warrior.
2.Season 1. We start living world, we meet Braham and gang. Rytlock is still warrior.
3.Season 2. Rytlock goes for Sohothin and disappears int the Mists.
4.Personal story 2, Heart of Thorns: Rytlock comes back as Revenant.

With creation of new character, we go through these steps in order 1 to 4. Living World Season 1 is not implemented to be replayable yet, but still this is proper timeline for events. So when i create Revenant, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Rytlock when he is still a Warrior. My Revenant will even help him when I play Season 2 to deal with ghosts from Ascalon and he will go missing then (to that point he still is warrior and I am already Revenant). He will appear again when my Revenant will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

So when I create Dragonhunter, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Braham when he is still a Guardian. My Dragonhunter will even help him when I play Season 3 to deal with Mordrem from the Jungle and he will go find Eir dead (or whatever) (to that point he still is Guardian and I am already Dragonhunter). He will appear again when my Dragonhunter will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

This is literally the exact same scenario.

Taking into consideration that this is how story goes, now what you are saying is speculation, then yes. So as I said, Players professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles and their specialization. What’s the problem? I explained that the same thing is for Revenant. Whatever profession we pick, it doesn’t matter to the story, we are “Boss”. So it’s not like Revenant profession will be taugh by Rytlock. That was my point and this is irrelevant to naming of Guardian’s specialization.

Still no link to the source of information about Order of Guardians who are Dragonhunters. Please provide the link.

AikunFelcis.7258:

Still no link to the source of information about Order of Guardians who are Dragonhunters. Please provide the link.

I’ve quoted Jon Peters above.

Orpheal.8263:

No they are NOT, right at the moment where Anet crosses the line and mixes up lore with class/specialization design concepts, its not anymore a neutral optional decision that you make to decide which elite specialization you give to your character.

Engineers as a profession were created by the Charr with some Asuran input. This is just as restrictive as whatever origin story they attach to the elite specs.

Everyone who dislikes the motives of that D-Junk will be automatically locked out basically from this Elite Specialization, if they don’t want to get immersion breaked with their characters they play.

It’s still completely optional, you can choose to remain a vanilla guardian. Or you can roleplay your character as someone who joins the order just to learn the ways of the Dragonhunter without any intention of adopting their motives.

This is a game that you are forced to do whatever other people decide. There’s only an illusion of option, the same as if your parents dragged you to the burgers when you want pizza and allowing you to choose between the cheeseburger and the veggie.

Everyone calls you a commander and treats you as a footsoldier.

If Anet would give the profession a real and proper fitting name, like Seeker, Sentinel, Inquisitor and the likes, this wouldn’t be the case and all those people which hate that idiotic term of dragonhanter to the fullest would have instantly no problems anymore, while those that have no problem with the name could care less about it, if the spec is named now in the end DH or not …

So, if the name is changed to Seeker, and everything else, including the origin story remains the same, how is that any different?

I personally can’t imagine myself right now how immersion breaking this crap must be for everyone who plays currently a Sylvari Guardian …

If anything, Sylvari should be the ones with the biggest motivation to pull out the weeds among them.

MiniEquine.6014:

purecontact.1680:

This roleplay story I chose during my character’s creation didn’t affect my gameplay.
Choose whether I want to be a part of the dragonhunter’s faction or not shouldn’t affect my gameplay.

It doesn’t actually have an affect on you, it’s really just a name. Even if you don’t “follow the path of the Dragonhunter” and you wield a longbow, you are not obligated to hunt dragons but the reason why you wield a bow and use traps is because of the Dragonhunters.

It has effect on us because our spec is named Dragonhunter, but the spec is not Dreagonhuntery at all. I posted a few posts about it that gameplay and mechanic doesn’t fit to the name. Would you like to play Warrior but named Wizard? Or Ranger named Mechanic, because it got offhand pistol and cool mechanical gauntlet and that’s it, it’s gameplay and mechanic has nothing to do with name and it doesn’t feel like Mechanic? I wouldn’t play it.

purecontact.1680:

AikunFelcis.7258:

Still no link to the source of information about Order of Guardians who are Dragonhunters. Please provide the link.

I’ve quoted Jon Peters above.

Yeah, so they are not officialy in the lore,can’t be found any official reference in Gw1/Gw2 game, only in one post. It’s just said by Jon in order to give a reason to Dragonhunters exist, that’s my feeling.

AikunFelcis.7258:

MiniEquine.6014:

AikunFelcis.7258:

We have Orders like Vigil and there is no profession/specialziation named after them, so I don’t see any reason why to make an exception in this case. BTW, can you link me to wiki to article about Guardian’s Order of Dragonhunters? I’ve never seen any information about it. maybe because such Order doesn’t exist?

The absence of a Wiki article does not mean something doesn’t exist. However, let’s look at what you said here:

AikunFelcis.7258:

RabbitUp.8294:

Your personal story is not parallel to the living world. You spend the whole 10-80 story preparing to fight Zhaitan, when he is already dead.

Proper timeline:

1.We have our personal story concluded with killing Zhaitan. Rytlock is still warrior.
2.Season 1. We start living world, we meet Braham and gang. Rytlock is still warrior.
3.Season 2. Rytlock goes for Sohothin and disappears int the Mists.
4.Personal story 2, Heart of Thorns: Rytlock comes back as Revenant.

With creation of new character, we go through these steps in order 1 to 4. Living World Season 1 is not implemented to be replayable yet, but still this is proper timeline for events. So when i create Revenant, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Rytlock when he is still a Warrior. My Revenant will even help him when I play Season 2 to deal with ghosts from Ascalon and he will go missing then (to that point he still is warrior and I am already Revenant). He will appear again when my Revenant will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

So when I create Dragonhunter, I will kill Zhaitan and talk to Braham when he is still a Guardian. My Dragonhunter will even help him when I play Season 3 to deal with Mordrem from the Jungle and he will go find Eir dead (or whatever) (to that point he still is Guardian and I am already Dragonhunter). He will appear again when my Dragonhunter will start story of Heart of Thorns. Professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles.

This is literally the exact same scenario.

Taking into consideration that this is how story goes, now what you are saying is speculation, then yes. So as I said, Players professions have nothing to do with personal/living story. We don’t have separate story for Guardians, Necros or Eles and their specialization. What’s the problem? I explained that the same thing is for Revenant. Whatever profession we pick, it doesn’t matter to the story, we are “Boss”. So it’s not like Revenant profession will be taugh by Rytlock. That was my point and this is irrelevant to naming of Guardian’s specialization.

Still no link to the source of information about Order of Guardians who are Dragonhunters. Please provide the link.

Right, what exactly is the problem? I don’t have a problem with the name, and the speculation I posted (which you used the same logic with for the Revenant) is sound in its reasoning. I technically proposed two things. One was Braham led the Dragonhunter movement, and the other was that Braham later joined the Dragonhunter movement just as Rytlock joined the ranks of Revenants, both of which have been around fighting the dragons the entire time.

Also, you must have completely missed what I said before. The lack of a Wiki page does not mean that something doesn’t exist. Please don’t be pedantic with regard to the wiki; it is not a god. The very fact that it makes sense for Revenants to do the personal story without having a wiki page since the beginning of Season 2 is enough for this to not matter. Revenants have essentially been retconned into the game and so too have the specializations.

AikunFelcis.7258:

Yeah, so they are not officialy in the lore,can’t be found any official reference in Gw1/Gw2 game, only in one post. It’s just said by Jon in order to give a reason to Dragonhunters exist, that’s my feeling.

Anet writes the lore. Elite specs are a new thing, a new development in the world of Tyria and the story will be changed/progress to include them.