Guild Wars 2

I’m getting excited for other specializations they will probably make me switch which class i play. I’m getting tired of guardian again and you won’t see me wield a bow I can tell you that.

tramwajarz.2369:

I get the idea that Paragons are tight to Elona. However dragonhunter is so cliche I’ve never expected to see such a name in GW2. Herald, Warden, come on, there are infinite better ideas than this.

I think the Warden will be a future elite specialization for the Ranger. I remember an old article about the original ranger profession being divided up into a ranger and a warden… maybe that’s a thing of the past though.

i dont care….they took this class to the gutter for how i play it….guardians mean protecter and healer….we should got higher health pool and crap ton of suppot….and wtf no resilience or taunt for gaurd……i abandon this class and i have 3 of them.

I’m thinking the proper name would be – s?hei

there was a time that anet did a ton of research to parallel real life lore.

S?hei (?? literally “monk warriors”;?, fighting monks¹) were Buddhist warrior monks of feudal Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dhei

or

Yamabushi (???) (one who lies in the mountains)¹ are Japanese mountain ascetic hermits¹ with a long tradition, endowed with supernatural powers in traditional Japanese mysticism.

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The brand of Dragonhunter, well….it’s just cliche’, it shows commercialism and a plea to the stereotypical pop culture that some accountant turned game designer came up with, it just shows that it’s someone that really doesn’t understand how much gamers appreciate every detail of every little thing, which is what made gw1 special. Those details matter. well they mattered to me, I use to be fascinated when I’d cross reference the lore from guildwars 1.

just another sign that guildwars 2 is losing it’s soul -sad sigh-
Prince Rurik has died in vain! – hides face and wipes tear-

my sympathies to the true remaining artists and developers that are taking orders from a lich boss and undead upper management minions. We know it’s not your fault for following orders

I think they need to add some XxX’s and 666’s to the name. That will make it more hip.

Probably old news but it looks like the French audience had a distaste for the French name of the Reaper being rather cliche (translating to a combination of “death” + “reaper”) and looks like the devs are looking into changing the name.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/39srfs/reaper_in_french_arenanet_listen_to_us/

Think there’s still hope for Dragonhunter?

Leo G.4501:

Think there’s still hope for Dragonhunter?

Definitely not. In one of pictures/arts we can se Braham with a bow, so he probably is going to become a “Dragonhunter” himself. That would include tons of dialogues in the HoT story etc. They won’t change it.

Actually name “Dragonhunter” reminds me about dragon hunters from Gothic II.

When I heard the name dragon hunter I instantly thought of Step Brothers

xD

Might be clunky, have 0 synergy, or might just be the best name ever. I know nothing!

Leo G.4501:

Probably old news but it looks like the French audience had a distaste for the French name of the Reaper being rather cliche (translating to a combination of “death” + “reaper”) and looks like the devs are looking into changing the name.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/39srfs/reaper_in_french_arenanet_listen_to_us/

Think there’s still hope for Dragonhunter?

Sadly no, because ArenaNet still probably thinks that the ‘dragonhunter’ name is “high concept.”

Genesis.8572:

Leo G.4501:

Probably old news but it looks like the French audience had a distaste for the French name of the Reaper being rather cliche (translating to a combination of “death” + “reaper”) and looks like the devs are looking into changing the name.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/39srfs/reaper_in_french_arenanet_listen_to_us/

Think there’s still hope for Dragonhunter?

Sadly no, because ArenaNet still probably thinks that the ‘dragonhunter’ name is “high concept.”

That whole post of his was a cringe fest. They back-peddald so kitten the BIG GAME HUNTER the Dragonkitten was sold as (it’s even in the trait names!) and tried to make it sound edgy and cool like a witch hunter. Alas, he just came off as pretentious instead of understanding.

Any indication that the name will be changed or is this topic just here to keep us occupied from starting another riot :’)?

cupcakesandcatnomz.3924:

Any indication that the name will be changed or is this topic just here to keep us occupied from starting another riot :’)?

SAB or R-

Wait, no.

GET RID OF DRAGONHUNTER or … I’ll be slightly put off?

I think it’s a lazy, forced-fit name, but we’ll be expecting Brahm to go full mom-revenge mode and “hunt dragons” in her stead. (Wait, a ‘stead’ in Norn terms is a home so..)

Alice.5360:

Genesis.8572:

Leo G.4501:

Probably old news but it looks like the French audience had a distaste for the French name of the Reaper being rather cliche (translating to a combination of “death” + “reaper”) and looks like the devs are looking into changing the name.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/39srfs/reaper_in_french_arenanet_listen_to_us/

Think there’s still hope for Dragonhunter?

Sadly no, because ArenaNet still probably thinks that the ‘dragonhunter’ name is “high concept.”

That whole post of his was a cringe fest. They back-peddald so kitten the BIG GAME HUNTER the Dragonkitten was sold as (it’s even in the trait names!) and tried to make it sound edgy and cool like a witch hunter. Alas, he just came off as pretentious instead of understanding.

His argument that the name dragonhunter was “high concept” was just silly. All class names are to some degree high-concept, and yet none really are and shouldn’t be. A class name should be just generic enough to that it conveys an obvious idea and remains thematic but allows for flexibility in interpretation.

Dragonhunter fails for multiple reasons due to the larger context of the game. Primarily, every player in GW2 is a dragonhunter, and yet nobody in GW2 is only a dragonhunter.

The name should have been more generic and less goofy. Jon Peters is just trying to defend and justify the selection when he has to know it was a poor choice. Highly doubtful he’ll backpedal now. He simply doesn’t seem like the type to admit/correct mistakes.

tenklo.6104:

i dont care….they took this class to the gutter for how i play it….guardians mean protecter and healer….we should got higher health pool and crap ton of suppot….and wtf no resilience or taunt for gaurd……i abandon this class and i have 3 of them.

For what it’s worth, the elite spec isn’t going to be required by any stretch, so don’t delete you guards just yet.

Second, the “protector and healer” thing (oh yes, here it comes) is how the Catholic Church justified the tortured confessions and burning at the stake of witches, similar to modern Taliban-like practices of stoning people for infidelity etc. So that blog post attempting to explain the name as high concept makes it quite clear that the “back story” of a dragon hunter is that they are forsaking their protection/healing focus in favor of a zealot’s rage. Basically it almost looks like a “fallen paladin” or “blackguard” story out of D&D.

Lastly, screw the name, I hate it but whatever. In light of the inquisition/zealot aspect of what the thing is supposed to be, I agree with so many others that there are a great many better names. But I assume this one is here to stay.

If they haven’t said anything about being open to changing the name by now, then it’s obvious they don’t want to change it.

Paladin, Paragon, Wammao, Smite Monk- "DragonHunter’ is quite refreshing and to the point thank you
I have my ‘Bowagon’ all set for HoT to be released!
Love the game for it’s beauty…..not for it’s verbage.
See you in game !

I was kinda hoping the news of the Reaper being possibly renamed would have sparked renewed interest or comments from devs or something on the Dragonhunter.

I dislike the name very much, but I think my main issue is that it doesn’t feel well put-together and it looks like it is pulling too much from the ranger. I get that it’s supposed to feel like a different way to play your class, but this seems clunky and unoriginal. (Without having played it myself, obviously) The virtues have neat abilities, but they are completely disconnected from the rest of the skills and could have been dropped into any guardian specialization – nothing dragon hunterish about them at all.

trub.1657:

Paladin, Paragon, Wammao, Smite Monk- "DragonHunter’ is quite refreshing and to the point thank you
I have my ‘Bowagon’ all set for HoT to be released!
Love the game for it’s beauty…..not for it’s verbage.
See you in game !

Just pointing out that of all the things you listed, Paragon is the only one given to an actual class of the GW universe. :P

And thats WaMo… While we’re at it, 600 smite? Jesus Beam? Bowagon… Kieran Thackery?

As for beauty, I’m not a prolific reader, but beauty can certainly take the forms of concept and verbage, which the ‘dragon hunter’ name doesn’t really deliver. It’s concept is that of a zealot, and “dragon hunter” … cheesy kids commerical material at best, doesn’t say anything to the zealot aspect described in the blog about it, and far too generic in a game world where we are all busy ‘hunting dragons.’

The ‘we are all hunting dragons, thus the name is redundant’ argument is such a deep, underlying conceptual (and verbage) failure in the name that it doesn’t matter how “high” the concept is, this flaw is foundational, and will never stop shaking the “high concept” while it exists.

Shaaba.5672:

I was kinda hoping the news of the Reaper being possibly renamed would have sparked renewed interest or comments from devs or something on the Dragonhunter.

Sadly that was not the case at all. I kinda suspect that it may partially be rooted in stubbornness.

Genesis.8572:

Shaaba.5672:

I was kinda hoping the news of the Reaper being possibly renamed would have sparked renewed interest or comments from devs or something on the Dragonhunter.

Sadly that was not the case at all. I kinda suspect that it may partially be rooted in stubbornness.

It’s entirely rooted in pride and stubbornness. Anet has a habit of making extremely odd decisions that would cause pretty much the rest of the entire world to raise an eyebrow, then to dig in and hold firm with very illogical or malinformed justifications when they receive scrutiny or criticism, and then just go quiet.

With the whole aspect of being a herald of justice you would think that they would have named it something like Judicator.

You think if this keeps getting bumped they’ll consider changing the name? They listened to Revenant feedback.
Judicator sounds cool. I like Zealot, personally, or Paragon.

Mysticjedi.6053:

You think if this keeps getting bumped they’ll consider changing the name? They listened to Revenant feedback.
Judicator sounds cool. I like Zealot, personally, or Paragon.

Bumped by the same people, over and over (myself included)? Filled with posts pulling entries from the lexicon of generic fantasy careers? Folks claiming game design is so simple you can just swap out the class name as if name, theme and abilities don’t influence each other during design steps that took place 6-10 months ago?

No. I really don’t.

Nike.2631:

Mysticjedi.6053:

You think if this keeps getting bumped they’ll consider changing the name? They listened to Revenant feedback.
Judicator sounds cool. I like Zealot, personally, or Paragon.

Bumped by the same people, over and over (myself included)? Filled with posts pulling entries from the lexicon of generic fantasy careers? Folks claiming game design is so simple you can just swap out the class name as if name, theme and abilities don’t influence each other during design steps that took place 6-10 months ago?

No. I really don’t.

It’s not going to change, but only because they’re too proud to change it, not for any of the above reasons. Equating the naming of a class to actual game design is preposterous. They could give the class any of a dozen or more names and it would fit the concept just as well without sounding silly, being asymmetrical, and imposing goals and motivations on the player that don’t even really make sense.

It’s painfully obvious that the overwhelming majority of people either outright hate the name or are ambivalent about it, and for the latter camp it’s not because they think it’s a good name, it’s just because they have zero concern for thematics or immersion.

I REALLY dislike the name, but I’ve made my peace with it. (It helps that I don’t have a Guardian character though. :P)

Personally I would have called it the “Archon”, and sold it as a “judge who dispenses righteous retribution from on high with a bow” archetype.

I actually would have preferred it if Elite Specializations had names that weren’t pseudo professions but in line with the way the core ones were named.

- Chronomancer would be “Chronomancy” or something simple like “Time” to go alongside Inspiration, Duelling, Domination, Chaos & Illusions.
- Dragonhunter would be something like “Justice” to go alongside Zeal, Radiance, Honor, Valor & Virtues.
- Tempest works either way.

It only becomes a problem with the Druid and the Reaper. Since the Druid would be Nature Magic and the Reaper would be Soul Reaping which already exists. Maybe instead of Druid it would be “Spirit” and Reaper would be something like “Darkness”.

Makes things a whole lot easier than trying to create names that sound like they could be new professions but still be related to the actual 9 professions. I get that the whole pseudo profession naming makes for interesting press releases but not only is it jarring to the core specialisations, its’ just so much more conceptual work for little gain. Especially despite taking the Dragonhunter specialisation, you’re still two thirds Guardian with maybe a fancy exclusive skin or two. Skins that I doubt will replace legendaries. Sure there is also a changed profession mechanic but they all rely on the base profession. The Reaper’s Shroud is a Death Shroud, the new Virtues are still Virtues and the Mesmer’s new f5 doesn’t replace anything since Mesmer didn’t have a f5. When you take away the Dragonhunter name, you’re pretty much got a Guardian slightly tweaked.

The distinction between a Chronomancer and a Mesmer, or a Reaper and Necromancer won’t be that big when we’re on the third elite for each profession. So it doesn’t make sense to me to put so much effort in coming up with a high concept name for is just another specialization. I rather the Specialization’s name to be a word that sums up its’ concept and nothing more complicated than that. But too late for that.

It’s also going to be easier to come up with names for some professions over others. Just look at the four d&d archetypes of Fighter/Warrior, Thief/Rogue, Mage/Wizard & Cleric/Priest. Over the past 4 decades, the Thief has had so many great kits, while the Fighter has really struggled to innovate without sounding ridiculous. It’s interesting to go through the history of RPG classes to see the disparity between classes in terms of kit names. I’ve seen some real stretches in logic or context when it comes to Fighter kits. It’s difficult for GW2 because the Warrior and Guardian share two sides of the Fighter archetype, so they are going to draw from a pool of ideas which overlap, while the profession Thief is going to have a very easy time coming up with new specialisations.

I wonder if they have planned ahead a list of potential future specializations for each profession, like at least 6 each. You can write yourself into a corner where certain classes require progressively more obtuse explanations while others just write themselves. I hope we don’t get to the point where the need to justify a name influences other aspects of the specializations. I guess that is part of the reason why the elite specialization skins exist, so to bridge the name with the actual profession.

I don’t even know what the Revenant is going to have to come up with in the years to the come. Especially since the Revenant is incredibly niche and a combination of all class archetypes.

Mordeus.1234:

It only becomes a problem with the Druid and the Reaper. Since the Druid would be Nature Magic and the Reaper would be Soul Reaping which already exists. Maybe instead of Druid it would be “Spirit” and Reaper would be something like “Darkness”.

Missing an obvious name for the Druid line: “Druidism.” For the Reaper it could be “Doom.”

For the love of everything half sensible, please change that name before its too late, Anet!

You don’t even have to apologize. Will write it off as a Bata-name holder.

• Guardian – Protector, defender, guard.
• Hunter… NOT that ^

I kinda agree, but I am pretty sure they wont change it.
It’s not that the name is bad in and of it self… but the fact that everyone, regardless of profession and specilization hunts dragons… just makes it seem a little off to me.

But we will have to learn to live with that little odditty.

It really doesn’t bother me. Story wise Braham will probably become the first dragon hunter given his renewed relationship with his expert longbow wielding mother who will probably train him. Given the norn fascination with hunting and his mothers title as a dragon hunter, it actually makes a bit of sense.

Also, part of the purpose of specializations was to add a new play style to an existing set of tools your character already has. So if guardians just continued to guard things why bother with new weapons and skills at all? Why not stick to the ones you know?

I love the rationalization from some people too:

“Well, guardians are protectors and fight evil, and so they are protecting the whole world from an evil dragon by hunting it, it’s like the ultimate type of guarding!”

or

“It’s a specialization and the Guardians are specializing in dragon hunting and Braham is a Guardian and his mom is a Ranger, so it makes sense”

Like we aren’t all hunting dragons…that’s the whole premise lol.

I’m still on the page that the name Dragon Hunter can be applied to literally any of the classes with the explanations given, whereas all of the other specializations announced so far are pretty unique to the class. It wouldn’t make much sense calling a Warrior a Reaper or Tempest, but calling a Warrior/Ranger/Thief/Engineer a Dragon Hunter, that makes just as much sense as it does for Guardian.

At this point I think most have accepted it like I have.

Just feels like a cop-out to me.

Draknar.5748:

I love the rationalization from some people too:

“Well, guardians are protectors and fight evil, and so they are protecting the whole world from an evil dragon by hunting it, it’s like the ultimate type of guarding!”

or

“It’s a specialization and the Guardians are specializing in dragon hunting and Braham is a Guardian and his mom is a Ranger, so it makes sense”

Like we aren’t all hunting dragons…that’s the whole premise lol.

I’m still on the page that the name Dragon Hunter can be applied to literally any of the classes with the explanations given, whereas all of the other specializations announced so far are pretty unique to the class. It wouldn’t make much sense calling a Warrior a Reaper or Tempest, but calling a Warrior/Ranger/Thief/Engineer a Dragon Hunter, that makes just as much sense as it does for Guardian.

At this point I think most have accepted it like I have.

Just feels like a cop-out to me.

Since splitting hairs about definitions……

Since the Elite specs are designed to expand areas the classes didn’t support, and a Guardian is mainly defensive/support; the logical choice is to give them an Offensive and Range option to add a role they currently lack proficiency in. Since a templar themed name would be too cliche, and guardians otherwise being protectors, they choose a name to strike fear into the heart of the evil they now pursue with zeal.

Hence, Dragon Hunter. Not evil hunter, or trash mob hunter, or defender against dragon minions, or even ender of dragon evil. They fight Dragons in an uncharacteristically offensive approach….. seeking them rather then waiting for them to come. Subversion is a powerful literary tool, and they make ample use of it in Tyrian lore.

Between the name, the poorly designed weapon skills, and the fact that they gave us traps it is obvious they picked the worst 3 things to give Guardian on purpose. Then when the community hated it all they even went as far as to call us all dumb and say we just weren’t able to understand such “high concepts”.

It kind of seems like the whole specialization was based on the Braham/Eir thing, which is a terrible thing to base an entire specialization on. Probably explains why it’s such an inappropriate mess.

44 pages, and the ONLY response from Anet is, “we merged the thread”.

Anet… you may not have noticed, but there is a lot of people who don’t like this silly place-holder you assigned to the Guard elite. Could you please reveal the real one for us?

MAGpie.7962:

44 pages, and the ONLY response from Anet is, “we merged the thread”.

Because we wouldn’t want to consider the possibility that’s all the response it deserves… Some of us actually find it a bit of a relief from the lexicon of stock fantasy names that comes bubbling up when people run across something new that doesn’t match their vision.

Anet… you may not have noticed, but there is a lot of people who don’t like this silly place-holder you assigned to the Guard elite. Could you please reveal the real one for us?

Or maybe they’ve noticed its a couple of people who are really vocal and the Dev’s aren’t holding a poll or asking for your opinion about how they should name a new class in their setting and NEVER WERE.

Who knows? Maybe between now and launch they’ll be in the mood to be second guessed into submission by armchair fantasy writers with zero real stake in the outcome and who don’t have to measure the costs.

But I doubt it.

Y’know, if Brahm is going to be the first Dragonhunter, Guaranger, Rangdian, etc, couldn’t they at least spice it up with some sort of fake-Norse name?
Just.. nothing with a ‘J’ in it, please. I still want to throw haymakers at he improper pronunciation.

Rauderi.8706:

Y’know, if Brahm is going to be the first Dragonhunter, Guaranger, Rangdian, etc, couldn’t they at least spice it up with some sort of fake-Norse name?
Just.. nothing with a ‘J’ in it, please. I still want to throw haymakers at he improper pronunciation.

From what we’ve been told he’s probably NOT the first Dragonhunter. The Devs seemed to feel there is/was a whole sect of them running around. But we’ll have to see. Story stuff is kind of in flux until it hits the live servers.

Nike.2631:

Or maybe they’ve noticed its a couple of people who are really vocal and the Dev’s aren’t holding a poll or asking for your opinion about how they should name a new class in their setting and NEVER WERE.

That’s an easy way to dismiss the bulk of the people who voiced opposition to the name. You just chalk them up as being part of the vocal minority who just keep posting.

This thread is still going. All this insanity over a name. A simple name has caused all of this distrust and stigmatization for a new segment of guardians.

LOOKS LIKE ITS DONE EXACTLY WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO!!!!!!!!

Dont you see? Ingame people go around calling themselves dragonhunters. Well duh you already fight dragons, But these guys say it like its a title. Abit odd. And they are bow wielding guardians? They must be nuts! Thats the point! ITS A BAD NAME for questionable people!

The name isn’t the only terrible thing about the specialization; it’s just the most terrible thing about it.

I will try the Dragon Hunter in the Beta and tell everybody who is not of dragon hunter origin to leave those boss events, because they have to become dragon hunters first :-)

Well I’ll guess I might as well leave my feedback here instead of making a new thread about it:

1. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/first#post5048195 The comparsion of the Dragonhunter to the medival Witch Hunters and other parts of it make him actually sound like a religious fanatic… which isn’t exactly something one would appreciate.

2. As mentioned countless times, all Chars in GW2 are hunting Dragons.

3. His Ultimate actually is in shape of a Dragon… which is kind of a no brainer when we’d imagine him to be against Dragons or anything related to them.

4. In GW1, Glint (Prophecies / EotN) and Kuunavang (Factions) were essential allies, so it’s not like there’s a eternal history of Dragons being the ultimate evil, which has to be whiped out.

I’m not sure how I’d name this specialisation myself, but I’d like to think of him as something like a Castle Defender, where Longbows were used to actually Guard the castle, as this would go well with the Guardian’s Background IMO.

Alternatively, it would be a possibility to make him go along as something like the embodyment of the good Dragons (mentioned above), as Dragon Archer (or so).
Besides clearing eventual questions about his Ultimate, it would also have a nice ring to it.

Mike.3460:

1. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/first#post5048195 The comparsion of the Dragonhunter to the medival Witch Hunters and other parts of it make him actually sound like a religious fanatic… which isn’t exactly something one would appreciate.

Not liking that people get zealous doesn’t mean zealous people shouldn’t exist in a setting. Or understand the context – standing in fanatical opposition an actual tangible genocidal force actively slaughtering your people. Every fighting member of the Vigil is called a ‘crusader’ and if you don’t think that name has a stink on it for some people…

2. As mentioned countless times, all Chars in GW2 are hunting Dragons.

I genuinely don’t understand the rampaging pedantry required to make this argument. Its like saying no one could be called “the Driver” as a sign of respect for their specific skills because all of us can drive.

3. His Ultimate actually is in shape of a Dragon… which is kind of a no brainer when we’d imagine him to be against Dragons or anything related to them.

And so is their armor. I’d guess because the Dragonhunter is drawing on the classic archetype of turning a portion of a vastly powerful ememy’s power/energy against that enemy. But maybe you’re on the right track with the Dev’s intent and the Dragonhunters see themselves as inheritors of knowledge that’s been handed down from Glint. She’s certainly has been influencing the world again through the Revenants.

4. In GW1, Glint (Prophecies / EotN) and Kuunavang (Factions) were essential allies, so it’s not like there’s a eternal history of Dragons being the ultimate evil, which has to be whiped out.

Glint is a traitor to the dragons, an exception to the rule that is currently grinding the world beneath it’s heel. If you’re unclear that modern Tyrians are pretty dang certain dragon = bad, you may want to replay the personal story .

I hope we see some in-game, in-setting justification for all the Especs.

I’m not sure how I’d name this specialisation myself, but I’d like to think of him as something like a Castle Defender, where Longbows were used to actually Guard the castle, as this would go well with the Guardian’s Background IMO.

Alternatively, it would be a possibility to make him go along as something like the embodyment of the good Dragons (mentioned above), as Dragon Archer (or so).
Besides clearing eventual questions about his Ultimate, it would also have a nice ring to it.

Sure, Dragon Archer is an alternative, although I think ‘hunter’ provably does a better job than ‘archer’ in conveying both the archers & traps aspect of the skill set the Espec offers.

Nike.2631:

Mike.3460:

1. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/first#post5048195 The comparsion of the Dragonhunter to the medival Witch Hunters and other parts of it make him actually sound like a religious fanatic… which isn’t exactly something one would appreciate.

Not liking that people get zealous doesn’t mean zealous people shouldn’t exist in a setting. Or understand the context – standing in fanatical opposition an actual tangible genocidal force actively slaughtering your people. Every fighting member of the Vigil is called a ‘crusader’ and if you don’t think that name has a stink on it for some people…

I’m not demanding GW2 to be a perfect happy world etc. but a Hero-Class to be compared to Witch Hunters goes in the wrong direction IMO.

The Vigil is on a Crusade against the Evil Dragons, fighting an actual enemy.
Dragon Hunter’s background however, sounds like he wants to destroy everything related to Dragons, meaning he’d eventually have to PvP any Revenant if he channels Glint (if the rumors are true and he gets to do that).

I genuinely don’t understand the rampaging pedantry required to make this argument. Its like saying no one could be called “the Driver” as a sign of respect for their specific skills because all of us can drive.

I’d say it’s somewhat different… the “Dragon Hunter” does not do anything different than any other Char in GW, especially since he currently is a weaker Ranger in heavy Armor.

And so is their armor. I’d guess because the Dragonhunter is drawing on the classic archetype of turning a portion of a vastly powerful ememy’s power/energy against that enemy. But maybe you’re on the right track with the Dev’s intent and the Dragonhunters see themselves as inheritors of knowledge that’s been handed down from Glint. She’s certainly has been influencing the world again through the Revenants.

GW2 has plenty of Dragon-Stuff available to the Heros, Glint as you said is a Dragon on the good side (shortened for the sake of not planting a wall of text here), so just throwing in a guy with the mindset of “all dragons-related things must be destroyed” is sort of… out of the line I think.

Somehow the Guardian’s Elite Specialisation reminds me of Skyrim.

Sure, Dragon Archer is an alternative, although I think ‘hunter’ provably does a better job than ‘archer’ in conveying both the archers & traps aspect of the skill set the Espec offers.

It was just something that crossed my mind, not a serious suggestion.

Nike.2631:

Not liking that people get zealous doesn’t mean zealous people shouldn’t exist in a setting. Or understand the context – standing in fanatical opposition an actual tangible genocidal force actively slaughtering your people. Every fighting member of the Vigil is called a ‘crusader’ and if you don’t think that name has a stink on it for some people…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/first#post5048195

The basic story of the “Dragon Hunter” is that of a religious/judicial (or vigilante) individual or organization who “… believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions.”

So by that explanation alone the name doesn’t fit. That instead suggests the “high concept” is drawing inspiration from IRL groups like the Catholic Inquisition, the Taliban, ANY secret police force, SS, KGB, etc who’s job partly is to remove dissenters (AKA eradication of ideals/dragons and their minions/supporters). Or in game from the White Mantle and their murderous campaign against people, the Chosen, with some unusually special magical potential, sacrificing them on the Bloodstone, at the beheadsts of their Unseen gods, the Mursaat.

Any one of those sources of the idea has a great many names from which to draw upon that are far better than the incredibly plain “dragon hunter.” Hell, even though the term ‘Quietus’ applies more to the suppression of ideas, it’s far more in keeping with the “high concept” theme of being one who zealously seeks to eradicate “corruption wherever it hides” which further implies “by any means necessary” which speaks to their “high concept” idea of willing to tread the line between right and wrong to do so.

Nike.2631:

I genuinely don’t understand the rampaging pedantry required to make this argument. Its like saying no one could be called “the Driver” as a sign of respect for their specific skills because all of us can drive.

If you are behind the wheel of the car, are you not “The Driver” and if you are not behind the wheel of the car, you can’t be “the driver” so I don’t understand your argument. As for “rampaging pedantry” consider how you are up in arms about it enough to throw insults, but don’t have anymore than “it’s the word of Anet” to attempt to suppress the ideas being put forth in this thread.

Zealous suppression of ideas by any means necessary… attempting to use shame by insults. Tsk.

Further sources of better names could be the endless supply of books, movies and television series that deal with dystopian societies, as an inevitable part of that is some form of “thought police” who then send somebody out to purge the issue. Though most of these also will be drawn from real history, I am 100% positive that there will be names and titles out there that reflect an overzealous suppressor of “unclean” things, who prefers ambush and distance kills (hunter tactics) as their modus operandi, and who may not mind causing suffering and/or collateral damage in pursuit of their mission.

It’s a name pool full of land mines over subjects that still draw out incredibly raw feelings, even hundreds of years after some of these events/groups were ended. Which I think is a large part of the disconnect between the elite spec name and it’s apparent backstory of zealous hunters of all things dragon touched. That is a cop out, and it resulted in this thing being given an eye rolling name. And myself and many others know that there are better names out there, and want the name to be impressive, and actually carry the ideas behind all the facets of this elite spec, especially the zealous rage that is supposed to be a part of this thing. Something all the other announced elite spec names certainly do for theirs, this one does not.

Hence 40-something pages and counting.

40 Something pages, and still nothing in regards to this from Anet. It’s… disheartening.

MAGpie.7962:

40 Something pages, and still nothing in regards to this from Anet. It’s… disheartening.

To be fair, this isn’t the kind of post I would expect Anet to be particularly active in. If it runs until HoT and Anet doesn’t change anything, they will let this thread die of old age and get buried under all the new ones that will inevitably pop up.

If there is any Anet involvement here it will either be a moderator action to lock the thread, or hopefully (fingers crossed) one of the team will come on saying they have a new name for us.

But I think they have had too many missteps in the past trying to be more communicative in the meantime

Hi there,

As a respected player in the Guild wars 2 community and guild leader of 167 players.
My input has more value then of others. So there for the name shall be : Poolord

It plays like a ranger it even has the traps like the ranger. It is a ranger. Period… Holy Trapper Ranger spec maybe? Or Holy Ranger without Pet spec? Or Holy Hunter? Dragon Hunter sounds cool, unfortunately it has nothing to do with what the elite spec feels like.