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Posted by: CandyHearts.6025

CandyHearts.6025

They didn’t save it, we’re simply a footnote not worth mentioning on our own.

You sound like you need a hug, pal.

Really! XD

Druid was the first they talked about. And the last to be revealed at a special event.

Sounds to me like something special. But please do insist negativity.

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Posted by: TheLastNobody.8319

TheLastNobody.8319

There will be no POI next week because the team will all be at TwitchCon… where we will talk about the final profession spec, as well as more cool stuff on our TwitchCon stream.

Now let’s all calm down and tune into Points of Interest today at noon.

Calm? CALM?!? You’re asking us, a video game community, to be calm?!? Ok.

A knight in shining armor is a man who never had his metal truly tested.

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Posted by: Darkness.9732

Darkness.9732

5 min druid discussion at TwitchCon in the air

With Anet’s track record with rangers this is completely my belief. Gaile I want to trust you, but my distrust of the attitude for rangers we’ve seen makes me doubt this. When saying the ranger is not good is as prevalent a joke as moose abuse in livestreams. When one of the more vocal devs champions bearbow, the build that basically ruined the ranger community, on these livestreams. When an article offering some legitimate criticisms about this attitude and some possible ways to address it comes out and is taken down and not by the writer’s choice. I think it is completely justified to still be a little concerned and take this statement with a grain of salt.

Respect for your words man.
+1000

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Posted by: Wuselknusel.4082

Wuselknusel.4082

5 min druid discussion at TwitchCon in the air

With Anet’s track record with rangers this is completely my belief. Gaile I want to trust you, but my distrust of the attitude for rangers we’ve seen makes me doubt this. When saying the ranger is not good is as prevalent a joke as moose abuse in livestreams. When one of the more vocal devs champions bearbow, the build that basically ruined the ranger community, on these livestreams. When an article offering some legitimate criticisms about this attitude and some possible ways to address it comes out and is taken down and not by the writer’s choice. I think it is completely justified to still be a little concerned and take this statement with a grain of salt.

To put it differently, we, or atleast I, do appreciate that you (can) joke about your own games and the flaws it has. But making jokes about the Ranger is like, to exaggerate the issue completely, making jokes about a severely injured person.

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Posted by: mtpelion.4562

mtpelion.4562

They didn’t save it, we’re simply a footnote not worth mentioning on our own.

You sound like you need a hug, pal.

Really! XD

Druid was the first they talked about. And the last to be revealed at a special event.

Sounds to me like something special. But please do insist negativity.

You must be new to Ranger. That’s good, it means you still have hopes and dreams and optimism.

We that have been playing Ranger for a while have to be negative, because then reality doesn’t hurt as much since we were expecting it.

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Posted by: CandyHearts.6025

CandyHearts.6025

They didn’t save it, we’re simply a footnote not worth mentioning on our own.

You sound like you need a hug, pal.

Really! XD

Druid was the first they talked about. And the last to be revealed at a special event.

Sounds to me like something special. But please do insist negativity.

You must be new to Ranger. That’s good, it means you still have hopes and dreams and optimism.

We that have been playing Ranger for a while have to be negative, because then reality doesn’t hurt as much since we were expecting it.

Not new. Just not having issues. Sounds like you’re putting all your eggs in one basket and getting disappointed by expectations. The key is to have 0 and be surprised when something good happens. XD Like today! Glad to know we’ll see it at Twitch-Con. I can’t wait!

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

They didn’t save it, we’re simply a footnote not worth mentioning on our own.

Anything announced at a con is usually because it’s a draw. No one randomly announces stuff at cons. If you think so, you probably know less about business than you think you do.

Companies spend really good money for placement at cons. It costs. So they keep their A game when they go to cons. They save announcements for cons. They make sure the stuff they show at cons is going to drive sales.

Wouldn’t you if you were a company?

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Posted by: TheFantasticGman.9451

TheFantasticGman.9451

5 min druid discussion at TwitchCon in the air

Wow… Never thought I’d agree with you, but today is the day that i do.

Speaking from a PVE-only point of view…

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Posted by: Darkness.9732

Darkness.9732

5 min druid discussion at TwitchCon in the air

Wow… Never thought I’d agree with you, but today is the day that i do.

Well man, despite my manners not being the best and I do know, we are all on the same board.
I played ranger a lot in this years and i feel kinda sad for ranger status. The fact we are going not to have a dedicated POI for druid…well i let you guys with your opinions.

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Posted by: Loboling.5293

Loboling.5293

Druid specialization has been renamed Swordmaster. The sword master will be able to use the 1H-Sword. The new class mechanic will be a mobile auto attack that moves your character without having to press your movement keys. The movement will be based on the position between you and your target, and whether they decide to dodge or not. So predicting your opponent and positioning will be key to playing the swordmaster well.

Ranger notes: Ranger can no longer use the 1 handed sword.

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Posted by: Razaac.7834

Razaac.7834

There will be no POI next week because the team will all be at TwitchCon… where we will talk about the final profession spec, as well as more cool stuff on our TwitchCon stream.

Now let’s all calm down and tune into Points of Interest today at noon.

So let me guess we are going to see a 10 minute druid reveal, with the rest of the time filled with the cool stuff??

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Posted by: Romo.3709

Romo.3709

No need to worry, I promise!

Please turn into Points of Interest for more information.

Tuned in. No information about PoI at all. Just to tune in next week…

I feel cheated…

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Posted by: Lord Trejgon.2809

Lord Trejgon.2809

They didn’t save it, we’re simply a footnote not worth mentioning on our own.

You sound like you need a hug, pal.

Really! XD

Druid was the first they talked about. And the last to be revealed at a special event.

Sounds to me like something special. But please do insist negativity.

You must be new to Ranger. That’s good, it means you still have hopes and dreams and optimism.

We that have been playing Ranger for a while have to be negative, because then reality doesn’t hurt as much since we were expecting it.

I’m playing ranger from the very beginning of my adventure with gw2

and I yet stay optimistic….

but then I try to not lurk too long into ranger subforum – the air there is so toxic that it requires me to use junundu wurm to survive there :P

PS. the name and weapon of choice was announced at big event, and all the rest of specialisation is going to be announced at big event….

well they have to have sth really hype’ish up their sleeve on druid if all of its announcements are in so hype-boosting ways….

“-Shield is meant to be broken!”
“-and on this occasion I keep mine plate armors”
discussion about offensive/deffensive playstyles

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Posted by: Donari.5237

Donari.5237

Rubi said TwitchCon would be where we see all about Druid but said nothing (so far) on what will happen to PoI after TwitchCon beyond “We have a lot of surprises for you at TwitchCon and I’m not going to give them away.” Which seemed to relate to whatever is happening to PoI.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

Hmmmm, I like PoI though.

And if you are not revealing our spec on PoI I expect the twitchcon reveal to be JUST as detailed and long as a normal PoI. If it’s not, I will be very displeased. >_<

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Posted by: Nicknobreak.7543

Nicknobreak.7543

30 minute presentation of druid or riot.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

30 minutes? I expect longer! I swear if it’s some 10 minute thing there will be much rage…

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Posted by: TheDraco.3965

TheDraco.3965

What does POI really matter anyway? All it ever is is 60% useless affable, mr rogers, roody poody, conversation, and 40% telling you everything they’ve already posted in text with an extremely rare change of getting actual new information.

Good riddance.

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Posted by: Zephyria.6103

Zephyria.6103

Rubi said TwitchCon would be where we see all about Druid but said nothing (so far) on what will happen to PoI after TwitchCon beyond “We have a lot of surprises for you at TwitchCon and I’m not going to give them away.” Which seemed to relate to whatever is happening to PoI.

Thank you! For helping stem the drama and providing info! ^^^^ No matter how they arranged the classes in terms of info reveal…someone had to be last guys. I did enjoy PoI though and I’m hoping we still have something similar in the future.

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Posted by: Monk Tank.5897

Monk Tank.5897

They made it 5 min because that’s how long your going to play it in a Raid or a Dungeon before getting kicked.

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Posted by: RevanCorana.8942

RevanCorana.8942

Entangle animations re-used on all staff skills 3.2.1.. goo

I really hope ranger is last because they needed time to fix the core ranger issues like spirits and stuff

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

This entire thread is inane, though. There’s absolutely zero constructive about it. It’s filled with people flying off the handle for speculation that could not possibly be true if you took all of three seconds to let the little hamster wheel in your head run.

I’m as tired of waiting for fixes to either the pet AI or means that render it inconsequential as anyone. But throwing temper tantrums over categorical bullkitten doesn’t entice dialogue. It doesn’t exactly tell developers, “Oh yeah, they’re ready to have a rational talk about the limitations we have with the Ranger class.”

Scream, “YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT US” at a person enough… and guess what? Yeah… they’re gonna stop caring. It is LONG past time to pull back the reins on this community. We’re out of control.

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Posted by: Chrispy.5641

Chrispy.5641

Entangle animations re-used on all staff skills 3.2.1.. goo

I really hope ranger is last because they needed time to fix the core ranger issues like spirits and stuff

I really hope that’s why Ranger was pushed off to be the last reveal. Traditionally, MMO developers give a class an overhaul and redesign many aspects when they really need it (as in, half the things are broken, have band-aids to make them work, or just plain don’t work well with the rest of the game [Ranger fits all those things! Pet/Minion AI is broken. Spirit hp has a huge band-aid buff to make them viable while the just as strong Banners don’t even have that problem, and the sword just doesn’t mesh well with the active movement of the rest of the game]). They also do it when the usual skill balance patches don’t do a thing to fix the problems (or the skill passes just end up with band-aids slapped on that change the skills so dramatically that it makes you wonder why the changes are suddenly meaningful now and weren’t done two years before the change….like the Rapid Fire fix or the Projectile speed fix).

Usually, these overhauls come during an expansion, or a major update. Now would be the time to address all these issues and redesign the Ranger for the better.

Unfortunately, the lack of comunication is there (even a simple “Hey! We’re working on it!” doesn’t exist in the Ranger forums), which makes me think we’re going to see a 30 minute presentation on the Druid, the Druid, and only the Druid specialization, and not a single actual issue with the Ranger will be addressed.

I would very much like to be proven wrong next week, but I have too many doubts to assume otherwise.

This entire thread is inane, though. There’s absolutely zero constructive about it. It’s filled with people flying off the handle for speculation that could not possibly be true if you took all of three seconds to let the little hamster wheel in your head run.

I’m as tired of waiting for fixes to either the pet AI or means that render it inconsequential as anyone. But throwing temper tantrums over categorical bullkitten doesn’t entice dialogue. It doesn’t exactly tell developers, “Oh yeah, they’re ready to have a rational talk about the limitations we have with the Ranger class.”

Scream, “YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT US” at a person enough… and guess what? Yeah… they’re gonna stop caring. It is LONG past time to pull back the reins on this community. We’re out of control.

That’s harsh bro….but, I blame the developers for their unwillingness just as much as the community…..the WHOLE community, from the overpraising White knights to the sarcastic jack-kittens like me, to the people who just hate everything and never explain why.

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Posted by: Sicarius.4639

Sicarius.4639

Rubi said TwitchCon would be where we see all about Druid but said nothing (so far) on what will happen to PoI after TwitchCon beyond “We have a lot of surprises for you at TwitchCon and I’m not going to give them away.” Which seemed to relate to whatever is happening to PoI.

Thank you! For helping stem the drama and providing info! ^^^^ No matter how they arranged the classes in terms of info reveal…someone had to be last guys. I did enjoy PoI though and I’m hoping we still have something similar in the future.

The arranged it according to their Professions page, then took out Ranger and made them last, most likely because of technical issues regarding the class and mechanics. Not looking into a class in 3 years is starting to catch them out.

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

Yeah, THAT’S it… they haven’t ONCE looked into Ranger issues until recently. I mean, it can’t possibly be that the solution isn’t as simple as the all-knowing players think, and as such there’d be little to say about the matter other than, “Still no fix! Soz!”

Nope, it’s GOTTA be ArenaNet has been maliciously ignoring the class for three years.

Do you people LISTEN to yourselves? And think it honestly makes sense when it comes out of your mouths?

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Posted by: Sicarius.4639

Sicarius.4639

Yeah, THAT’S it… they haven’t ONCE looked into Ranger issues until recently. I mean, it can’t possibly be that the solution isn’t as simple as the all-knowing players think, and as such there’d be little to say about the matter other than, “Still no fix! Soz!”

Nope, it’s GOTTA be ArenaNet has been maliciously ignoring the class for three years.

Do you people LISTEN to yourselves? And think it honestly makes sense when it comes out of your mouths?

Actually when asked about removing Pet’s they said they have no plans to do that, “they’re a staple of the class” oh, can you fix them? “We have no plans to do that, it would take too much work, we want to focus on low hanging fruit”.

Thanks I guess.

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

Yeah, that’s EXACTLY what they said.

Oh wait, no it wasn’t. Twisting words and intent to mean what was not said does not make you right.

My guess? They don’t want to make pet’s like WoW Hunter Pets that are just sic ‘em and forget ’em. They apparently want some sort of active play to the pet. But if they make the pet too smart, other players will complain that Rangers are “EZ Mode”. Make them too dependent on the player, Ranger players will complain that it’s too hard and not fair that they have to work three times as hard to look as good as “simpler” classes.

It’s pretty clear that they don’t want to take the simplest solution (tone down the pets importance to the class and make them largely invulnerable to splash damage), and maybe they can (and should) be taken to task for that… but the pettiness and the vitriol and the outright fabrications from the Ranger community are NOT acceptable behavior.

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Posted by: Sicarius.4639

Sicarius.4639

Actually I wasn’t twisting anything. They literally came out and said they would not remove them because they’re a staple of the class. They also thought that reworking pets was too much and I quote “wanted to focus on the low hanging fruit”.

But thanks for telling me otherwise…

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

Yeah, I know the first quote that they didn’t want to remove the pet. I’m aware of that one.

The second quote of yours, however, I strongly suspect only exists in your mind, and is a willfully dishonest twisting of what was REALLY stated at best, and an outright fabrication at worst.

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Posted by: Sicarius.4639

Sicarius.4639

Yeah, I know the first quote that they didn’t want to remove the pet. I’m aware of that one.

The second quote of yours, however, I strongly suspect only exists in your mind, and is a willfully dishonest twisting of what was REALLY stated at best, and an outright fabrication at worst.

Hard to find every instance of it, seeing as we’re talking years. Although there was this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/11mz4k/i_am_a_programmer_for_guild_wars_2_amaa/c6nw4pe

I remember it being said in a video though, that would be harder to dig up because you know, keywords.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

I think most people know that Anet isn’t doing this maliciously. I think most of the posts tend to be more of a mocking tone than a serious one. “Anet is deleting rangers!” Obviously no one actually believes that. But the class feels like it’s been a bit on the back burner and people are frustrated and lash out. I suppose we all need to calm down, but it would be helpful if Anet communicated more.

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Posted by: StinVec.3621

StinVec.3621

I predict that they will announce:

  • Druid will have an alternate profession mechanic to the pet
    (maybe the two mechanics can be swapped while out of combat)
  • Playable tengu

(I will literally dance to hearing either of these as being true)

Wishing thinking, but I am hoping that they didn’t include tengu sooner in HoT inclusion details because they were not sure if they could get it finished in time for release and they now know that they can (or did) finish it in time.

Playable tengu and/or non-pet ranger elite spec could be the final bits that can push many more people to pre-purchase or buy on day 1 who might not otherwise. I know I would if these unlikely desires come true.

EDIT:
Yeah, I believe I need to completely scrap my prediction.

15 minutes is barely enough time to say anything, let alone give detailed or hype-filled information on one or both of my wishes. Oh well. It would’ve been nice to be get excited for something in GW2 again. :\

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Posted by: Walhalla.5473

Walhalla.5473

This Ranger Talk here reminds me on how the Necro talked about their Class a while ago. You know, where they talked on how Anet must hate everything about Necro and wants this Class to be gone. And now we have the Ranger in this Place, but to be honest there will always be one Class in an MMO where People talk like this about their Class.^^

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Posted by: Vateras.9254

Vateras.9254

Guys…. they will be at TwitchCon for 2 kitten days. They have a short presentation – probably about ArenaNet Television & HoT lauch trailer premiere.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/643895624979582976
Here is another thing called "Guild Chat:
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/644963721765330944
I’m almost sure that this will be new PoI.
They will definitely provide full, long presentation of druid.
That drama is no longer funny for me – Now I understand why they avoid ranger forum and block topics like this one.

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Posted by: BlusterWolf.2103

BlusterWolf.2103

Yo guys remember not long time ago in one stream when they introduce all those trait changes for professions with excitement and insights, but when it comes to the ranger part they basically said sth like “oh cool, there are some changes” and skipped all the explanation and move onto next topic within 1 min like ranger is cancer? yea,lets keep the hope up for “BIG” Druid reveal on twitchcon Kappa

Forty Milliseconds…rangers who remember…know…

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Posted by: Darkness.9732

Darkness.9732

Yo guys remember not long time ago in one stream when they introduce all those trait changes for professions with excitement and insights, but when it comes to the ranger part they basically said sth like “oh cool, there are some changes” and skipped all the explanation and move onto next topic within 1 min like ranger is cancer? yea,lets keep the hope up for “BIG” Druid reveal on twitchcon Kappa

Yeah mate we remember.
Moreover if you noticed they never play ranger on stream.

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Posted by: Archon.6480

Archon.6480

There will be no POI next week because the team will all be at TwitchCon… where we will talk about the final profession spec, as well as more cool stuff on our TwitchCon stream.

Now let’s all calm down and tune into Points of Interest today at noon.

It’s kind of difficult to remain calm when you tell us Druid will be revealed at TwitchCon.

That can only mean it will be Awesome!

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Posted by: Donari.5237

Donari.5237

“Guild Chat” seems a little too specific a title. Maybe it’s a segment? There are plenty of topics to discuss in the streams that have nothing to do with guilds.

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Posted by: TheFantasticGman.9451

TheFantasticGman.9451

There will be no POI next week because the team will all be at TwitchCon… where we will talk about the final profession spec, as well as more cool stuff on our TwitchCon stream.

Now let’s all calm down and tune into Points of Interest today at noon.

Oh. That’s cool. Going to do like the other prof and have the lead dev for the Ranger go through the Druid skills, utilities, and traits explaining them for 15-20 minutes along with some game play footage of those new things? Cause, I mean, if I knew that the Druid is going to get a proper reveal it’d go along way.

Speaking from a PVE-only point of view…

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Posted by: Nemesis.6938

Nemesis.6938

the druid reveal has been postponned because this elite is so breathtakingly awesome, so great, with so many skills, so many options, so much excitment, that they really needed a con to present it! Its gonna be glorious – fasten your seatbelts!

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Posted by: Lévis.5489

Lévis.5489

Only one or two BWE for druids. I cannot wait to see how much of a broken mess they will be during HoT’s release.

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Posted by: Rizo.9534

Rizo.9534

Only one or two BWE for druids. I cannot wait to see how much of a broken mess they will be during HoT’s release.

If it will be mess on BWE3, that’s only mean that it will be really OP on release and after that with every balance patch will be nerfed to proper state.

As they made with renenant in last BWE2, that it can destroy every class in 1v1 and can win even 1v4

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Posted by: Nemesis.6938

Nemesis.6938

Only one or two BWE for druids. I cannot wait to see how much of a broken mess they will be during HoT’s release.

If it will be mess on BWE3, that’s only mean that it will be really OP on release and after that with every balance patch will be nerfed to proper state.

As they made with renenant in last BWE2, that it can destroy every class in 1v1 and can win even 1v4

well, constant iteration and rebalancing is part of a multi-class-pvp game…thats to be expected – and it will continue with the hopefully soon-to-be future elites… not worried about that and i honestly cant understand people that complain about that process – cause the alternative would be a very boring formulaic game with very limited options

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Posted by: Rizo.9534

Rizo.9534

I just hope, that Druid will took something really new for ranger, and will be SuperUseful for all aspects of game. Especially for sPvP and WvW.

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Posted by: Amante.8109

Amante.8109

Druid is being designed by the same person behind Scrapper, which—a couple of meh Gyros aside—looks fun, interesting, and borderline overpowered. So yeah, I think Druid will be ok

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Posted by: Nemesis.6938

Nemesis.6938

when exactly is the druid reveal? since gw seems to have several spots at twitch con… is it on the 25th at 3pm pst or?

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Posted by: Teleste.6798

Teleste.6798

Praying to the gods we get Druid

Audentes Fortuna Iuvat

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Posted by: Daddar.5971

Daddar.5971

OMG, I pooped in my pants for nothing! Now let’s see, where did I put that list of other things I was planning to whine about?…

‘Elite’ in all 9 professions. I take mediocrity seriously!

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Posted by: Nicknobreak.7543

Nicknobreak.7543

when exactly is the druid reveal? since gw seems to have several spots at twitch con… is it on the 25th at 3pm pst or?

ArenaNet only has the stage for 15 minutes from 3-3:15 at TwitchCon on the 25th. They’ll probably show the trailer there. Druid reveal might be on the first episode of the newly assumed web series of streams. Don’t know when that will be. Probably won’t see druid this week.

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Posted by: Chrispy.5641

Chrispy.5641

Yeah, THAT’S it… they haven’t ONCE looked into Ranger issues until recently. I mean, it can’t possibly be that the solution isn’t as simple as the all-knowing players think, and as such there’d be little to say about the matter other than, “Still no fix! Soz!”

Nope, it’s GOTTA be ArenaNet has been maliciously ignoring the class for three years.

Do you people LISTEN to yourselves? And think it honestly makes sense when it comes out of your mouths?

Actually when asked about removing Pet’s they said they have no plans to do that, “they’re a staple of the class” oh, can you fix them? “We have no plans to do that, it would take too much work, we want to focus on low hanging fruit”.

Thanks I guess.

Yeah, that’s EXACTLY what they said.

Well….actually….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/3162139

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/3162014

As I stated, this change is a lot about low hanging fruit. The problem with ranger is things that are good we don’t want to overpower and the things that are not as good are difficult to change. For example:

  • Skirmish and Wilderness line could probably swap half of their traits.
  • Beastmastery has basically one generic trait per tier and just needs to be more generalized.
  • both primary ranged weapons are a mix of single target and AoE.
  • Both marksmanship and skirmish lines lack traits to enable power rangers.

Despite those problems rangers have some great builds in PvE, PvP, and WvW. The core problem is diversity but it just so happens that rangers are not setup in a way that makes it easy to improve that diversity problem.

Too much typing for the bus, I’ll try and discuss more when I’m in.

Jon

P.S. I tried some stuff on MH sword but it was a marginal improvement at best. I’ll ping some programmers today about one other way we might handle it, but don’t hold your breath.

And the other one…

Summoned creature AI is a different can of worms that we aren’t opening for the same reason. Pets that delay F2 use isn’t some wait script we put into their skills it has to do with core AI behavior shared by all pets and creatures and how they decide tasks. Rewriting that has the risks of breaking millions of unknown things so we have up until now band aided the solution. It is something that needs addressing but won’t be addressed until we can kitten how and when we will test it.

If you guys want to whine about Ranger’s whining, you might want to realize that there may actually be a reason Rangers complain about this sort of thing.