Guild Wars 2

In chapter 6 of the HoT story, Prisoners of the Dragon when Eir is defeated by a minion of Mordremoth as much as this was foreshadowed, her legacy and her honour have, I feel, been disgraced.

First and foremost Eir was Norn and for over 200 years Norn have been known to be great solo Hunters and Eir was firm in her role in during the start of young Norn’s in guiding them to build their own legends.

Eir was a fierce and strong ally with Wisdom enough to have once lead Divinity’s Edge.

Eir may have been a little weakened from being imprisonment and was clearly worse for wear but with her Totem spirit being Wolf I believe she would have conserved her Strength and even though stabbed by Faolin, she still gave as good as she got.

To see Eir being impaled in to a nearby tree without one last fight, however futile, is what bring disgrace to her Legacy and in my eyes, even if Eir knew the fight was already lost she would have relished that one last chance to go out fighting with tooth and claw.

Eir could have Become the Wolf and entered a Blood Frenzy to recoup some of her strength, Eir could have and indeed should have gone out fighting, with her honour as a Norn intact.

Eir deserves a Heroes death as she also deserves a Heroes Remembrance.

Your topic title is spoiler itself….think

Mortifer.2946:

Your topic title is spoiler itself….think

It is.

well I though similarry but after applying dozen of fridge logics I’ve realised that it has “some” sense – she mentioned earlier that mordrem were starving them

have you ever try to run just after so long time without any kind of food?

One can have or leave behind a Legacy while still being alive…

`Legacy´ implies she dies, change the title to `story´ as it is more generic and spoiler free.

She was a fairly boring character, her death is no great loss. But it does give Braham a new dimension and moves forward his story.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

One can have or leave behind a Legacy while still being alive…

Stop trying to justify it, just make the change please.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

well I though similarry but after applying dozen of fridge logics I’ve realised that it has “some” sense – she mentioned earlier that mordrem were starving them

have you ever try to run just after so long time without any kind of food?

I have had to endure being without food for up to 3 days with only minimal water. I was still able to remain active during those 3 days, albeit at a reduced level.

I don’t have the Norn’s survival skills or hardened upbringing but I do know that adrenaline alone would have given my body a boost and a chance to fight or run should the dire need arisen.

…anyway, this isn’t about me, it’s about Eir

Lady Elyssa.2469:

…anyway, this isn’t about me, it’s about Eir

You’re right, but legacy still means after their death…Seriously please just change the title you’re being rude

Aedelric.1287:

Lady Elyssa.2469:

One can have or leave behind a Legacy while still being alive…

Stop trying to justify it, just make the change please.

I make no justification for stating facts.

You may not be aware but forum titles cannot be changed except by the Mods, who I am sure should they agree with your opinion will be more than happy to.

In the novel “Edge of Destiny” Eir turns into a bear, many times. She would carve stone statues with her claws. When the chips were down and she needed to give a little more, she would change into a bear.

Even injured and weakened, I think she would have found the strength to change one last time and charge the monster… she would have gone down fighting.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

I make no justification for stating facts.

You may not be aware but forum titles cannot be changed except by the Mods, who I am sure should they agree with your opinion will be more than happy to.

Just think next time mate.

Eir’s death was not wasted, and her death may not have been heroic but it had more meaning. Being killed Mordy infront of Braham has given him drive to defeat the Dragon and perhaps all Dragons giving a bland character more depth and forwarding his story.

Faolin being the reason for Eir’s death also creates conflict within Caithe as she loves Faolin but was a good friend to Eir. Ultimately she makes a decision to side with us and fight to avenge Eir and give peace to her love.

It also gives your own character an enemy to focus on as during much of the story Mordremoth has no face. As I said, it my not be heroic but it does have meaning, it furthers two fairly mediocre characters stories.

Anyway her death is of no great loss to me, their are more interesting characters.

Your title is a spoiler, change it and stop trying to defend it. Legacy almost always refers to events occurring after a person’s death, using legacy as you have then including a spoiler tag almost guarantees that any competent reader will realize why you titled this as such.

Can we have statues of the heroes that died in HoT somewhere? That would be pretty cool.

Yeah, it was stupid. She shouldn’t have died like that. Norn are absurdly hearty and powerful. She was easily as capable as any Human or Sylvari, probably more so. If it had tackled her and pinned her down before spearing her, I could have accepted it, but just being harpooned out in the open was dumb. She could have done any number of things to avoid that kill, and she should have.

The ends don’t justify the means. They could have killed her, but it should have been a kill worthy of her legend. She dragged a giant ice worm up a mountain, while it was still alive, in order to give new hunters something worthwhile to fight. She could have fought this thing bare handed, beat up and starved.

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

Aedelric.1287:

Eir’s death was not wasted, and her death may not have been heroic but it had more meaning. Being killed Mordy infront of Braham has given him drive to defeat the Dragon and perhaps all Dragons giving a bland character more depth and forwarding his story.

Faolin being the reason for Eir’s death also creates conflict within Caithe as she loves Faolin but was a good friend to Eir. Ultimately she makes a decision to side with us and fight to avenge Eir and give peace to her love.

It also gives your own character an enemy to focus on as during much of the story Mordremoth has no face. As I said, it my not be heroic but it does have meaning, it furthers two fairly mediocre characters stories.

Anyway her death is of no great loss to me, their are more interesting characters.

Thanks for adding to the discussion with a more in depth response.

I don’t dispute that Eir’s death was wasted. To have the story pass on to Braham as you have said, to give a bland character more depth, is most certainly a worthwhile choice and direction. While the rest of that chapter as you have summarised rather nicely, all makes sense in the direction the writers have taken us.

Her end even outside of it’s overall impact is still somewhat at odds with the games Lore.

Sadly this isn’t the first time that the lore has been either ignored or overlooked and I can understand the design choices of moving the story on and away from conventions but if the story simply moves on in ignorance of it’s own existence then doesn’t that also undermine the existence of the lore in the first place?

Lady Elyssa.2469:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

well I though similarry but after applying dozen of fridge logics I’ve realised that it has “some” sense – she mentioned earlier that mordrem were starving them

have you ever try to run just after so long time without any kind of food?

I have had to endure being without food for up to 3 days with only minimal water. I was still able to remain active during those 3 days, albeit at a reduced level.

I don’t have the Norn’s survival skills or hardened upbringing but I do know that adrenaline alone would have given my body a boost and a chance to fight or run should the dire need arisen.

…anyway, this isn’t about me, it’s about Eir

and now imagine she had NO water and had organism a way bigger (and by that requiring alot more energy to run :P )

and also she could be there longer than 3 days….

point is that technically it could be heroic in itself that she was capable fo running at that point….

Raziel.4216:

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

That might be true if she was Human, but she isn’t, she’s a Norn. They have entirely different physiologies to Humans. Also, the assumption is from the time of the crash to then, so a handful of days at worse.

=====SPOILER ALERT=====

ANET just did something similar to butchering Mickey Mouse and Donald by Disney before fans eyes. She is icon of the game and she shouldnt be disposed like that in first place. For brahm development? OMG I have nothin against Brahm but shaving head and wielding longbow on his back is not a development worthy killing one of fan favourite destiny’s edge characters. In my honest opinion and with respect to Anet team responsible for creating characters etc. Eir definetely has more fanbase and potential than Brahm. If you dont like some character…thats your opinion and I respect that but please dont’t be too harsh towards ppl who love that character.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raziel.4216:

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

That might be true if she was Human, but she isn’t, she’s a Norn. They have entirely different physiologies to Humans. Also, the assumption is from the time of the crash to then, so a handful of days at worse.

Handful of days? It’s not the first chapter, we’ve been out there looking for’em for a while so what part of the story implies that? It could be a week.
“She’s norn so she’s special” doesn’t cut it, Norn eat and drink too, Norn will get weaker if they don’t do it for a long period of time.

Raziel.4216:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raziel.4216:

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

That might be true if she was Human, but she isn’t, she’s a Norn. They have entirely different physiologies to Humans. Also, the assumption is from the time of the crash to then, so a handful of days at worse.

Handful of days? It’s not the first chapter, we’ve been out there looking for’em for a while so what part of the story implies that? It could be a week.
“She’s norn so she’s special” doesn’t cut it, Norn eat and drink too, Norn will get weaker if they don’t do it for a long period of time.

Plus the fact she’s been through a horrible crash, probably did not receive any medical treatment, and lord knows what else. Seems people are getting too hung up on and only focusing on the fact she said she hasn’t had food or water.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Raziel.4216:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raziel.4216:

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

That might be true if she was Human, but she isn’t, she’s a Norn. They have entirely different physiologies to Humans. Also, the assumption is from the time of the crash to then, so a handful of days at worse.

Handful of days? It’s not the first chapter, we’ve been out there looking for’em for a while so what part of the story implies that? It could be a week.
“She’s norn so she’s special” doesn’t cut it, Norn eat and drink too, Norn will get weaker if they don’t do it for a long period of time.

Plus the fact she’s been through a horrible crash, probably did not receive any medical treatment, and lord knows what else. Seems people are getting too hung up on and only focusing on the fact she said she hasn’t had food or water.

kitten how could I forget that?
We don’t know how badly she’s hurt, for all we know she’s got a few broken ribs.

I don’t know why Eir didn’t turn into a bear and claw her way out of the cage (it was just some vines….psssh).

If anything she’d do this just to get away from Faolain, who probably didn’t shut up the whole time they were in there together.

I wouldn’t have a problem with her death if it wasn’t so stupid. Logan’s “death” in Arah made sense. He was facing a massive horde of risen and it seemed like there really was no way out. Eir just gets killed by one random mordrem and doesn’t even try to do anything about it. We kill the mordrem with no effort seconds later. It’s just more bad writing like how Mordremoth basically commits suicide when he had so many ways to stop us. At least that might have been a trap.

Aedelric.1287:

Lady Elyssa.2469:

I make no justification for stating facts.

You may not be aware but forum titles cannot be changed except by the Mods, who I am sure should they agree with your opinion will be more than happy to.

Just think next time mate.

Eir’s death was not wasted, and her death may not have been heroic but it had more meaning. Being killed Mordy infront of Braham has given him drive to defeat the Dragon and perhaps all Dragons giving a bland character more depth and forwarding his story.

Could have done the same in a way that made Eir’s death more meaningful and gave it greater emotional oomph. Poor writing and poor implementation of the cut scene.

Mallis.4295:

At least that might have been a trap.

And that Eir could be a clone made for trap. And all would be happy coz Brahm would see mother’s death causing some changes in him and real Eir would be beaten up badly somewhere but alive. All happy. And I like happy endings and majority of people too I can tell. Making some fail drama attempts toying with some favourite characters is not the way. Sorry for my english. Peace

Maybe she didn’t fight back because Logan wasn’t there to give her permission to?

… oh, wait. Sorry. Other M flashback….

And on a more serious note, I picture something like this happening in the mists shortly after:

Eir wanders through the grey void

Eir: Spirits? I don’t understand. Why wasn’t I able to call upon the change? Why did you leave me too weak to fight?

Eir: Wolf? Bear? Have you abandoned me?

A Voice: No, Eir. They did not abandon you.

Raven appears before her, gliding down out of the mists.

Raven: I am the one that prevented you from changing.

Eir: Raven? I… I respect your wisdom, but I do not understand. Why?

Raven: Eir, you were weak and injured. Had you survived the fight, you would have been of no use to your allies.

Raven: Your son would have abandoned his own quest to see you safely home. He would not be there for them when he is needed.

Eir: And with me dead?

Raven: He will mourn, and then he will press on in your memory. With his aid, many more will be saved.

Eir nodded, understanding.

Eir: My one life for many. That is a good death. Owl would be proud.

Raven bowed his head at the mention of the lost Spirit.

Raven: Yes. Owl would be proud.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Raziel.4216:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raziel.4216:

We don’t know for how long she was starved before the fight, no matter how special she is if she’s starving she won’t get to do much.

That might be true if she was Human, but she isn’t, she’s a Norn. They have entirely different physiologies to Humans. Also, the assumption is from the time of the crash to then, so a handful of days at worse.

Handful of days? It’s not the first chapter, we’ve been out there looking for’em for a while so what part of the story implies that? It could be a week.
“She’s norn so she’s special” doesn’t cut it, Norn eat and drink too, Norn will get weaker if they don’t do it for a long period of time.

Plus the fact she’s been through a horrible crash, probably did not receive any medical treatment, and lord knows what else. Seems people are getting too hung up on and only focusing on the fact she said she hasn’t had food or water.

On top of even that due to the square-cube law she would take a fall harder than a human would due to all her extra mass. She is seven feet tall, which is extremely tall even by a human male’s standards, and since weight outpaces strength with bigger sizes (you aren’t just getting more muscle as you grow but need to hold more water, skin, bones, etc.) bigger people would be more vulnerable to gravity than smaller people. When ants fall off a table they walk like it isn’t a thing whereas if a human fell from a similar height (if a table is 100 ants tall vs. a building that is 100 humans tall) they would die.

This death was almost Belinda-like. Bland and boring.

Eir died like a tertiary character. I would’ve never guessed she was important had I not seen the previous story arcs.

Some people are missing the point here. This is a fantasy game when we cannot compare with real life. It will be weird if Kasmeer steps on a banana, slips and hit her head and die just like that…even tho its realistic, It would totally destroy players expectations of a fantasy game should be. I am just saying this to not be harsh with people who expect more as a fantasy game. However If she comes back as a druid, It would totally explain the lack of effort put on that matter but who knows…

Kill.3458:

Your title is a spoiler, change it and stop trying to defend it. Legacy almost always refers to events occurring after a person’s death, using legacy as you have then including a spoiler tag almost guarantees that any competent reader will realize why you titled this as such.

‘Almost always refers to’ and ‘only means’ are two different things. Yes, legacy is most often used in reference to those who have died, but you can have/leave a legacy without dying. For instance, if I build up a powerful nation-wide law firm, that changes the face of the legal system, that is the legacy I will leave behind to my successer when I step down and retire. Simply put, a legacy is one’s greatest life work. And as such, must be completed before death, though often it is not refered to as such until after. It may not often be used in the context the OP demonstrated, but that does not make it wrong to do so.

That’s the great and terrible trait of the English language, a word can be used in so many ways to mean so many things. If readers jump to conclusions that the writers use of the word legacy means death, even if that’s truly what it turns out to be, that’s the fault of the reader, as the author in question made no direct statement, and it just as well COULD have been something else.

Also… a spoiler tag is a warning to stop reading if you don’t want to see a possible spoiler… so why would you keep reading when you know it’s about to spoil something and don’t want to be spoiled… I should think this would apply to titles just as much as it does body paragraphs.

…“competent reader”…

That being said however, a better word -one without such a heavy relation to death- could have been used to avoid this problem. I made the same mistake in one of my post.

I was so sad when I saw the cut scene to chapter 6, to make matters worse I was on my own and I was unsure who in the guild had or hadn’t done the chapter so remained quiet.

Poor Eir, Poor Brahm

Cmon Colin J. Make us all happy and bring us Eir back. Omg I would celebrate her come back with spending my whole monthly salary on gems. Or make some gold or gemstore gifts giveaway for some random folks in LA.

Look on the bright side, at least Zojja is still alive ^_^

Palador.2170:

Maybe she didn’t fight back because Logan wasn’t there to give her permission to?

… oh, wait. Sorry. Other M flashback….

And on a more serious note, I picture something like this happening in the mists shortly after:

Eir wanders through the grey void

Eir: Spirits? I don’t understand. Why wasn’t I able to call upon the change? Why did you leave me too weak to fight?

Eir: Wolf? Bear? Have you abandoned me?

A Voice: No, Eir. They did not abandon you.

Raven appears before her, gliding down out of the mists.

Raven: I am the one that prevented you from changing.

Eir: Raven? I… I respect your wisdom, but I do not understand. Why?

Raven: Eir, you were weak and injured. Had you survived the fight, you would have been of no use to your allies.

Raven: Your son would have abandoned his own quest to see you safely home. He would not be there for them when he is needed.

Eir: And with me dead?

Raven: He will mourn, and then he will press on in your memory. With his aid, many more will be saved.

Eir nodded, understanding.

Eir: My one life for many. That is a good death. Owl would be proud.

Raven bowed his head at the mention of the lost Spirit.

Raven: Yes. Owl would be proud.

See, now that’s awesome. If only we would ever see such a thing.

See, now that’s awesome. If only we would ever see such a thing.

As great as it may look it doesnt satisfy me a bit;(

Except tht Eir was a boring, 1-dimensional character lacking any depth or personality like most of Destiny’s Edge. Instead of attempting to expand her character, Anet chooses to kill her off. Some top quality story telling there.
/sarcasm

Paulash.5814:

Except tht Eir was a boring, 1-dimensional character lacking any depth or personality like most of Destiny’s Edge. Instead of attempting to expand her character, Anet chooses to kill her off. Some top quality story telling there.
/sarcasm

As usual truth lies in the middle. You are telling things based on your experiences and feelings and so do I. Eir should live.

You misunderstand me Zabiyaka. While I agree with you in that Eir should not have been killed, I DO NOT want them to bring Eir back as her original self in the story. Staging death or bring people back from the dead is horrible for story telling. It devalues the meaning of death and its impact on the story. If another character dies, people can just say “oh he/she is probably going to come back like Eir did”. I would be a fan of Eir returning as a spirit or druid possibly, but not as her normal self. Death should be definitive an final.

Paulash.5814:

Death should be definitive an final.

Will remind you that if I meet you downed somewhere in the game :P

So, like, am I remembering things wrong, or was she stabbed in the gut by Faolain?

After suffering through an airship crash, being abducted by Mordrem, trapped in thorns, starved and dehydrated for days, disarmed, and stabbed in the gut by an arm sized thorn, I don’t think anyone would be in very good fighting shape.

Captain Unusual.9163:

So, like, am I remembering things wrong, or was she stabbed in the gut by Faolain?

After suffering through an airship crash, being abducted by Mordrem, trapped in thorns, starved and dehydrated for days, disarmed, and stabbed in the gut by an arm sized thorn, I don’t think anyone would be in very good fighting shape.

Eir was indeed stabbed in the side with a large thorn by Faolin.

I have just finished playing that story again myself on my 5th?, 6th? toon and just wanted to clarify one of the key points that people had raised.

Eir does say that they have not had food or water for days, so that leaves that element open to interpretation and personally percieve that as 2-3 days since the crash.

Palador.2170:

I picture something like this happening in the mists shortly after:

Eir wanders through the grey void

Eir: Spirits? I don’t understand. Why wasn’t I able to call upon the change? Why did you leave me too weak to fight?

Eir: Wolf? Bear? Have you abandoned me?

A Voice: No, Eir. They did not abandon you.

Raven appears before her, gliding down out of the mists.

Raven: I am the one that prevented you from changing.

Eir: Raven? I… I respect your wisdom, but I do not understand. Why?

Raven: Eir, you were weak and injured. Had you survived the fight, you would have been of no use to your allies.

Raven: Your son would have abandoned his own quest to see you safely home. He would not be there for them when he is needed.

Eir: And with me dead?

Raven: He will mourn, and then he will press on in your memory. With his aid, many more will be saved.

Eir nodded, understanding.

Eir: My one life for many. That is a good death. Owl would be proud.

Raven bowed his head at the mention of the lost Spirit.

Raven: Yes. Owl would be proud.

That is a wonderful interpretation of how Eir might have communicated with the Spirits after her death, sadly it still doesn’t address the manner in which she died which is a key element to how I feel Eir has been treated.

Her death, however harsh and sad I can accept, for the story, for Braham, for Druids / Dragonhunters, even for the future of Tyria.

The manner in which her death occurred though, is ultimately tragic and I feel degrades Eir as a character and as a Norn.

The debate over how well Eir might have survived a crash, lack of food and water and being stabbed could undoubtedly be debated and if it was scientifically possible to do so accurately on specific details within a game, let alone a fantasy based one, then I would be all for it, but in doing so it only detracts from my original reason for posting and in my view detracts from the rich Lore that the game has.

Eir still had the strength to walk and she could have rolled away from the Vinetooth’s tail attack, even transformed in to the Spirit of Wolf. Her fate need not have changed, just the manner of her passing.

Eir was a Legend in and of her own right and she deserved a Norn’s end and a chance to go out with a fight, to die with honor and to face the spirits proud with songs sung by the Skalds of the legend she had created for herself, a legend that would not only inspire her son Braham but one that would inspire future generations from all the races.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

Captain Unusual.9163:

So, like, am I remembering things wrong, or was she stabbed in the gut by Faolain?

After suffering through an airship crash, being abducted by Mordrem, trapped in thorns, starved and dehydrated for days, disarmed, and stabbed in the gut by an arm sized thorn, I don’t think anyone would be in very good fighting shape.

Eir was indeed stabbed in the side with a large thorn by Faolin.

I have just finished playing that story again myself on my 5th?, 6th? toon and just wanted to clarify one of the key points that people had raised.

Eir does say that they have not had food or water for days, so that leaves that element open to interpretation and personally percieve that as 2-3 days since the crash.

Palador.2170:

I picture something like this happening in the mists shortly after:

Eir wanders through the grey void

Eir: Spirits? I don’t understand. Why wasn’t I able to call upon the change? Why did you leave me too weak to fight?

Eir: Wolf? Bear? Have you abandoned me?

A Voice: No, Eir. They did not abandon you.

Raven appears before her, gliding down out of the mists.

Raven: I am the one that prevented you from changing.

Eir: Raven? I… I respect your wisdom, but I do not understand. Why?

Raven: Eir, you were weak and injured. Had you survived the fight, you would have been of no use to your allies.

Raven: Your son would have abandoned his own quest to see you safely home. He would not be there for them when he is needed.

Eir: And with me dead?

Raven: He will mourn, and then he will press on in your memory. With his aid, many more will be saved.

Eir nodded, understanding.

Eir: My one life for many. That is a good death. Owl would be proud.

Raven bowed his head at the mention of the lost Spirit.

Raven: Yes. Owl would be proud.

That is a wonderful interpretation of how Eir might have communicated with the Spirits after her death, sadly it still doesn’t address the manner in which she died which is a key element to how I feel Eir has been treated.

Her death, however harsh and sad I can accept, for the story, for Braham, for Druids / Dragonhunters, even for the future of Tyria.

The manner in which her death occurred though, is ultimately tragic and I feel degrades Eir as a character and as a Norn.

The debate over how well Eir might have survived a crash, lack of food and water and being stabbed could undoubtedly be debated and if it was scientifically possible to do so accurately on specific details within a game, let alone a fantasy based one, then I would be all for it, but in doing so it only detracts from my original reason for posting and in my view detracts from the rich Lore that the game has.

Eir still had the strength to walk and she could have rolled away from the Vinetooth’s tail attack, even transformed in to the Spirit of Wolf. Her fate need not have changed, just the manner of her passing.

Eir was a Legend in and of her own right and she deserved a Norn’s end and a chance to go out with a fight, to die with honor and to face the spirits proud with songs sung by the Skalds of the legend she had created for herself, a legend that would not only inspire her son Braham but one that would inspire future generations from all the races.

tl;dr: don’t care that she was heavily wounded and weak, she should have been a kitten anyway?

I think throwing a thorn into Faolein’s spine after being betrayed is a decently adequate going down fighting

I just had a problem with Faolain’s betrayal being so stupid. Like seriously, you’ve been captured by a major enemy you desperately want to escape from, some lesser enemies show up and give you reason to believe they’re willing to help you escape, and you openly betray one of them in full view of all the others while being chased by a greater threat?

Faolain flunks Villainy 101.

We’ve always been trying to kill Faolain though

It’s not like we could get angrier at her

Lady Elyssa.2469:

That is a wonderful interpretation of how Eir might have communicated with the Spirits after her death, sadly it still doesn’t address the manner in which she died which is a key element to how I feel Eir has been treated.

Her death, however harsh and sad I can accept, for the story, for Braham, for Druids / Dragonhunters, even for the future of Tyria.

The manner in which her death occurred though, is ultimately tragic and I feel degrades Eir as a character and as a Norn.

The debate over how well Eir might have survived a crash, lack of food and water and being stabbed could undoubtedly be debated and if it was scientifically possible to do so accurately on specific details within a game, let alone a fantasy based one, then I would be all for it, but in doing so it only detracts from my original reason for posting and in my view detracts from the rich Lore that the game has.

Eir still had the strength to walk and she could have rolled away from the Vinetooth’s tail attack, even transformed in to the Spirit of Wolf. Her fate need not have changed, just the manner of her passing.

Eir was a Legend in and of her own right and she deserved a Norn’s end and a chance to go out with a fight, to die with honor and to face the spirits proud with songs sung by the Skalds of the legend she had created for herself, a legend that would not only inspire her son Braham but one that would inspire future generations from all the races.

Oh, agreed 100%.

The short story is just for what we were presented with, to give at least some reason to why it happened like that. Some closure and small measure of respect.

But I would have preferred a better ending, one fitting to the character. There’s something wrong when Lord Faren is doing a better job of acting like a norn hero than Eir or Braham do in this expansion.

Shoe.5821:

We’ve always been trying to kill Faolain though

It’s not like we could get angrier at her

Yes, we could. There are worse things we can do than kill someone, and Faolain knows that more than most sylvari.

Shoe.5821:

We’ve always been trying to kill Faolain though

It’s not like we could get angrier at her

But Eir was willing to help her escape from Mordremoth, presumably both due to general decency and due to not wanting Mordy to get another powerful minion by corrupting her. And they were being chased by a Mordremoth minion when Faolain betrayed her! Taking time out to stab someone you don’t like while you’re actively being chased by a bigger threat is just plain dumb. Secure your own escape first, THEN betray the hero.