Elite Spec= subclasses: Predict the rest
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Posted by: Eurhetemec.9052
I think you have to look more at the added skills than the class combos. Dragonhunter sure throws things wide open, though, much less predictable than I expected.
Engineer -Still predicting something more like Engineer with Necro minions for this (seems more likely than Spirit Weapon-style – not that there’s a huge difference).
Druid – Ranger w/Guardian Consecrates, only they’re all nature-based.
Warrior – Could go a lot of ways here, but realistically I’m expecting Pistol or Dagger. Venoms seems a bit too literal, so I’m expecting Pistol offhand and a sort of Buccaneer-ish “Fire-then-enter-melee” deal with BIG modifications to how Adrenaline works for them (not an F1-skill as usual).
Necro – I’m going to take a risk here and go with Necros getting Stealth and maybe more Shadowsteps, via new utilities and having a modified Death Shroud in the Elite spec (Reaper, maybe?) which perhaps grants stealth – agreed that they will gain burst. Necro/Thief if you want.
Thief – Errr, well, if Guardian wasn’t Paragon, maybe this won’t be Sniper? Um, still, assuming that masked man with a rifle was Thief, let’s say it is sniper. What would that get from other classes? Engineer does seem a possibility, but there’s no way they’re getting more than 1-2 kits, maybe sniper rifle is itself a kit. Maybe Steal is necessary to get the Kits or ammo for them or something? All seems a bit unlikely TBH so I’m very unsure on this.
Elementalist – Mantras do seem a good fit, I admit, if they were done right, but with the Tempest name and swords, I dunno, expecting something fast and aggressive, not something with a lot of charging and discharging. Maybe Stances, Warrior-style?
Revenant – Is it even confirmed that they get an Elite spec? I could see all their specs being “Elite” in a sense.
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Druid: Specializes in spirit ‘buffs’ and plant-based snares. That said, I hope I’m wrong.
I think you have to look more at the added skills than the class combos. Dragonhunter sure throws things wide open, though, much less predictable than I expected.
Engineer -Still predicting something more like Engineer with Necro minions for this (seems more likely than Spirit Weapon-style – not that there’s a huge difference).
Druid – Ranger w/Guardian Consecrates, only they’re all nature-based.
Warrior – Could go a lot of ways here, but realistically I’m expecting Pistol or Dagger. Venoms seems a bit too literal, so I’m expecting Pistol offhand and a sort of Buccaneer-ish “Fire-then-enter-melee” deal with BIG modifications to how Adrenaline works for them (not an F1-skill as usual).
Necro – I’m going to take a risk here and go with Necros getting Stealth and maybe more Shadowsteps, via new utilities and having a modified Death Shroud in the Elite spec (Reaper, maybe?) which perhaps grants stealth – agreed that they will gain burst. Necro/Thief if you want.
Thief – Errr, well, if Guardian wasn’t Paragon, maybe this won’t be Sniper? Um, still, assuming that masked man with a rifle was Thief, let’s say it is sniper. What would that get from other classes? Engineer does seem a possibility, but there’s no way they’re getting more than 1-2 kits, maybe sniper rifle is itself a kit. Maybe Steal is necessary to get the Kits or ammo for them or something? All seems a bit unlikely TBH so I’m very unsure on this.
Elementalist – Mantras do seem a good fit, I admit, if they were done right, but with the Tempest name and swords, I dunno, expecting something fast and aggressive, not something with a lot of charging and discharging. Maybe Stances, Warrior-style?
Revenant – Is it even confirmed that they get an Elite spec? I could see all their specs being “Elite” in a sense.
well, if they are going to reuse classes for different skills
yeah minions fits better than spirit weapons thematically, though they are pretty similar in use.
they did confirm revenant will have an elite spec.
ele could get revenant, and its stuff is called stances, but revenant sub is tricky because we dont know that much about them yet.
i doubt they want to give people more stealth, though it could git with some concepts of necro, but necros are seen as a selfish class, and shouts is something that can give them a different direction, at the same time improving the necros DPS. of course a bunch of classes have shouts. so i guess it could be necro/guard.
i do think they are tying them to subclasses conceptually, but its possible they arent married to it. like perhaps ele might get warrior like attunement bursts and a sword, but mantras for utility.
right now ill follow the pattern though!
bow/traps very /rng
wells/continuum shift very /necro (i heard originally necro was going to have a rewind mechanic for its mechanic, but it was too complex for starter players)
My guesses are
Warrior becomes the Commando and gets pistol.
Ranger is going to be Druid and get staff, what else no idea.
Engie is going to be Mechanic and get the hammer and maybe shouts
Thief will be Sniper and get Rifle and ?_?
Elementalist will be Tempest, get MH Sword and mantras
Necromancer will be Ritualist? and get Greatsword and spirits
Druid: Specializes in spirit ‘buffs’ and plant-based snares. That said, I hope I’m wrong.
druid is rng/guardian? hmmm interesting…
they said something about plants, that doesnt fit with too many skillsets
My guesses are
Warrior becomes the Commando and gets pistol.
Ranger is going to be Druid and get staff, what else no idea.
Engie is going to be Mechanic and get the hammer and maybe shouts
Thief will be Sniper and get Rifle and ?_?
Elementalist will be Tempest, get MH Sword and mantras
Necromancer will be Ritualist? and get Greatsword and spirits
i could see the engi getting shouts, but then how do the drones fit in?
Hmm perhaps the drones replace the f5, and act as a burstish skill?
After this dragonhunter crap, I have no faith anymore in Anet, that most of the rest will actually be something good.
I’m pretty sure they will ruin this game more with Sniper Rifle Thieves
Death Knight Nekros will do further the job of ruining this game more
Tempest with completely unfittign gameplay will finally hit the nail in the coffin…
druids might be good at least, from what we saw so far, it had at least the same good quality of beign a fittign good elite speizalization like the Chronomancer that fits into this game and especially also to the theme of HoT bringing us into the jungle. What would be better, than to have druids guiding us there.
the engineer thing looks at least promising so far, but I think they can also easily crew themup with auch an childish clichee name that is totally immersion breaking, somethign like Demolitionist…
About rev I have no clue, the rev in itself is also something which i think doesn’t fit really into the game and comes over like a mixture of guardian/necro/thief >.< not to mention its silly name that is no profession at all.
Warrior no clue, i just hope they ruin them not with something stupid like pistols, but after seeign the dragonhunter today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they totally wreck this game to ruins with garbage like the Commando.
So in fact, i think we all can just be happy, that thankfully the stuff so far won’t be the only elite specialization, but that classes will see in the future more.
Hopefully will get the guardian with the next elite spec then somethign fitting, that actually is part to the whole classes theme and design and fits to them also, somethign like Crusader for example, that doesn’t try to turn guardians into wannabe rangers without pets, but why pets, when they have their spiritual weapons that follow them around and are eactually same as crappy like pets already when it comes to the A.I of this game in regard of AoE control
After this dragonhunter crap, I have no faith anymore in Anet, that most of the rest will actually be something good.
I’m pretty sure they will ruin this game more with Sniper Rifle Thieves
Death Knight Nekros will do further the job of ruining this game more
Tempest with completely unfittign gameplay will finally hit the nail in the coffin…druids might be good at least, from what we saw so far, it had at least the same good quality of beign a fittign good elite speizalization like the Chronomancer that fits into this game and especially also to the theme of HoT bringing us into the jungle. What would be better, than to have druids guiding us there.
the engineer thing looks at least promising so far, but I think they can also easily crew themup with auch an childish clichee name that is totally immersion breaking, somethign like Demolitionist…
About rev I have no clue, the rev in itself is also something which i think doesn’t fit really into the game and comes over like a mixture of guardian/necro/thief >.< not to mention its silly name that is no profession at all.
Warrior no clue, i just hope they ruin them not with something stupid like pistols, but after seeign the dragonhunter today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they totally wreck this game to ruins with garbage like the Commando.
So in fact, i think we all can just be happy, that thankfully the stuff so far won’t be the only elite specialization, but that classes will see in the future more.
Hopefully will get the guardian with the next elite spec then somethign fitting, that actually is part to the whole classes theme and design and fits to them also, somethign like Crusader for example, that doesn’t try to turn guardians into wannabe rangers without pets, but why pets, when they have their spiritual weapons that follow them around and are eactually same as crappy like pets already when it comes to the A.I of this game in regard of AoE control
i see what your saying, but most of these sub classes are going to take the proffesions in a different direction.
I personally dont like the guardian spec concept, but i realize no matter what, it was probably going to not completely fit the old guardians idea.
How is the dragon hunter ruining everything yet? We hardly know anything about them yet aside from some brief overviews of a couple of their skills. We know next to nothing about necro greatsword, not sure how that can be concluded to be ruining anything yet. Tempest.. well we know it’s called tempest. My point being stop the panic, take a deep breath and wait to see what we’re actually getting. The you can panic if you don’t like what you see.
Back to something more productive:
Im thinking that the drones around the engineer are not combat minions but are actually passive boon distributors with maybe shouts to command them to do stuff?
Many people think that the necro is going to be the 6 shout spec.
Marjory talking about Rox teaching her stances with the gs makes me wonder, though.
So yeah, engineer could get shouts.
yea, while i do think the most exciting part about today’s guardian reveal is that they made a pretty cool looking longbow skin, i hardly think that the Dragonhunter (a name I like BTW) will ruin anything. You get an “option” to use a bow as one of 2 weapon sets you can equip. calm down.
For the rest? Who know. I think I would like warriors to get pistols, because daggers and short bows don’t sound like a fun option.
Thieves, never really understood why they could use maces, but since they lack a good range option I can get behind riffles.
Elementalists will stump me, because I think everyone really wanted a gun-mage and I’m not sure why they didn’t run with it. New mechanic idea could have been attuning your main and off hand pistol separately to create combos.
I would really hate to see engineers become a pet class. Though i dont really play one currently, i love the other hammer playstyles in the game and i want to like this too. I kind of predict that they won’t get pets though because whats the point of giving the engineer a melee weapon AND a pet? Pet’s are for not melee! Engineers currently lack good melee options, and I dont think they would introduce ranged hammer skills on two classes at once. So no pet. My prediction will be various types of equipable armors like auras that they will need for their new melee prowess!
Necros, love the great sword in just about any professions hands, and I love my necro, so I’m nothing but excited about this. Would love to see a few more direct damage utility come into the necro kitten nal.
Many people think that the necro is going to be the 6 shout spec.
Marjory talking about Rox teaching her stances with the gs makes me wonder, though.
So yeah, engineer could get shouts.
Even though shouts are kinda lame, stances would be even lamer. At least shouts would give us the group utility we so severely lack. I’m hoping it is neither, though.
Many people think that the necro is going to be the 6 shout spec.
Marjory talking about Rox teaching her stances with the gs makes me wonder, though.
So yeah, engineer could get shouts.Even though shouts are kinda lame, stances would be even lamer. At least shouts would give us the group utility we so severely lack. I’m hoping it is neither, though.
what skill type from another class would you want/expect.
My guesses are
Warrior becomes the Commando and gets pistol.
Ranger is going to be Druid and get staff, what else no idea.
Engie is going to be Mechanic and get the hammer and maybe shouts
Thief will be Sniper and get Rifle and ?_?
Elementalist will be Tempest, get MH Sword and mantras
Necromancer will be Ritualist? and get Greatsword and spiritsi could see the engi getting shouts, but then how do the drones fit in?
Hmm perhaps the drones replace the f5, and act as a burstish skill?
Easy answer… the elite shout skill will call down x amount of drones to fight by ur side…
Many people think that the necro is going to be the 6 shout spec.
Marjory talking about Rox teaching her stances with the gs makes me wonder, though.
So yeah, engineer could get shouts.Even though shouts are kinda lame, stances would be even lamer. At least shouts would give us the group utility we so severely lack. I’m hoping it is neither, though.
what skill type from another class would you want/expect.
A skilltype that doesn’t consist of 6 of the same? Not that it will happen, but there are so many cool skills they could give the necro, limiting their elite specs to use what others already have is a flawed system in itself. You could easily give the Necro cool skills like creating a bone wall/cage (a skill that was removed from Tequatl for whatever reason…), creating bone spikes as an attack/knockdown etc… but they cannot press that in one “type” of skill that already exists, so just not do it at all, right? I mean, Necros corruption and spectral lines have a common theme… but aren’t just 6 instant cast AE’s (shouts) or 6 pulsing ground targeted spells (wells). The best would be having a type of “Mantra”, with standard “passive” effects but unique attack and defense-type actives or something. Or steal the Revenants Mallyx-line of skills
Many people think that the necro is going to be the 6 shout spec.
Marjory talking about Rox teaching her stances with the gs makes me wonder, though.
So yeah, engineer could get shouts.Even though shouts are kinda lame, stances would be even lamer. At least shouts would give us the group utility we so severely lack. I’m hoping it is neither, though.
what skill type from another class would you want/expect.
A skilltype that doesn’t consist of 6 of the same? Not that it will happen, but there are so many cool skills they could give the necro, limiting their elite specs to use what others already have is a flawed system in itself. You could easily give the Necro cool skills like creating a bone wall/cage (a skill that was removed from Tequatl for whatever reason…), creating bone spikes as an attack/knockdown etc… but they cannot press that in one “type” of skill that already exists, so just not do it at all, right? I mean, Necros corruption and spectral lines have a common theme… but aren’t just 6 instant cast AE’s (shouts) or 6 pulsing ground targeted spells (wells). The best would be having a type of “Mantra”, with standard “passive” effects but unique attack and defense-type actives or something. Or steal the Revenants Mallyx-line of skills
well your best hope would be a broad skill type then
but yeah, looks like they will always be 5 new skills of one type. Which kind of makes some type of sense.
not much use in having any traits/runes/sigils that benefit a skill type if you only have like 1 or 2 of them.
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My guesses are
Warrior becomes the Commando and gets pistol.
Ranger is going to be Druid and get staff, what else no idea.
Engie is going to be Mechanic and get the hammer and maybe shouts
Thief will be Sniper and get Rifle and ?_?
Elementalist will be Tempest, get MH Sword and mantras
Necromancer will be Ritualist? and get Greatsword and spiritsi could see the engi getting shouts, but then how do the drones fit in?
Hmm perhaps the drones replace the f5, and act as a burstish skill?
Easy answer… the elite shout skill will call down x amount of drones to fight by ur side…
This makes a lot of sense, or the drones follow baseline and the shouts are voice commands to tell them to do stuff in the same way that we interact with today’s tech with voice activation.
This would push the Engineer into more of a En/War combo further with the trailer footage further complementing this with how aggressive the hammer moves are for engineer.
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Engineer should be juggernaut shouts could fit if its a engi/warrior mix I have a feeling the drones are just new turrets or toolbelt stuff inb4 #DroptheBrass elite shout the other option that I think is more fitting for engi/warr mix would be physical skills who doesnt wana bull rush people with a rocket powered hammer.
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Most of you are insane, TL:DR at end
So lets see what has been released and what tips has anet gave:
-All elite speccs will be focused on CC/support
-Chronomancer got Wells and a Shield, we can assume that no other elite specc will get necro
-Dragon kitten got Bow and traps, we can assumi that no other elite specc will get Ranger
-Necro has been confirmed to get GreatSword and since Ranger is out, Warrior or Guardian
-Engineer is getting Hammer and since the trailer show it and some anet staff winked at us, we all see flying minions and since necro has been taken, Hammer+minions= guardian
-That means that Necro is getting Warrior stuff and since its a support/CC, necro is getting either banners or shouts
-Druids are getting staffs so that means either ele or mesmer since necro has been taken, am voting for elemental cuz water magic/earth magic helps plants grow and water magic is support and druid is a support role
So that leaves us with a few choices since we rule out many options
-What will thief get?
-What will elementalist get?
To answer this question we only have to see whats left, that means engineer has 2n and mesmer has 2nd.
Since Elementalist is getting Tempest and i guess sword, we can take out engineer and that ends our logic.
TL:DR
-Guardian gets Ranger and becomes a Dragon Hunter: Bow+traps
-Mesmer gets Necro and becomes Chronomancer: Wells
-Ranger gets Elementalist and becomes Druid: Staff+"waterish/earthish" skill on staff with a nature theme, no 2nd guess on support
Engineer gets Guardian: Hammer and “flying spirit drones” or whatever (wards?)
Necro gets Warrior: 2hand sword most likely Ranged and either Banners or Shouts
Elementalist gets Mesmer and become tempest: 1hand sword and Glamours
Thief gets Engineer: Rifle+Elixirs (think support)
And by this logic Warrior gets Thief: Either Pistol or dagger and Deception or tricks for utility, i think tricks is achivable by warriors standarts
Necro 2-hand sword and poisons… death knight
Necro 2-hand sword and stealth… dark knight
thief warhorn and shouts… bard/minstrel/crier
Ele 1-hand swords, symbols…. tempest
engi hammer, banners… bannerman
Edit… Necro 2-hand sword and spirits!… now that could be sweet…
Playing the engineer “as intended” is simply not viable.
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People should stop trying to imagine up class hybrids as specs. Chronomancer has NOTHING to do with Necromancers. They share Wells, but the Wells don’t even operate in the same way! And Necros don’t have shields!
I seriously expect shouts on the Tempest, and less seriously could see elixers on necromancers (Alchemy and its ties to reanimation/ever-lasting life). The weapon doesn’t have to make sense.
People should stop trying to imagine up class hybrids as specs. Chronomancer has NOTHING to do with Necromancers. They share Wells, but the Wells don’t even operate in the same way! And Necros don’t have shields!
I seriously expect shouts on the Tempest, and less seriously could see elixers on necromancers (Alchemy and its ties to reanimation/ever-lasting life). The weapon doesn’t have to make sense.
actually someone mentioned recently that necro original death shroud was a rewind mechanic. Other peoples have mentioned it gives you a kind of extra HP
but its not so much that the classes become exactly like another, its that they will borrow the skill set from another class. and some of their playstyle.
its not fully guaranteed yet, it could just be these two. but regardless, its a pretty good bet that they will spread the skills around, and not reuse them.
i doubt anyone else will get wells, and anyone else will get traps.
shouts could still go to ele,
but i really doubt necros get elixirs.
but yeah the weapon doesnt have to be linked. chrono shows that, although they said chrono, the weapon came last.
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thief… staff, virtues = monk
Playing the engineer “as intended” is simply not viable.
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People should stop trying to imagine up class hybrids as specs. Chronomancer has NOTHING to do with Necromancers. They share Wells, but the Wells don’t even operate in the same way! And Necros don’t have shields!
I seriously expect shouts on the Tempest, and less seriously could see elixers on necromancers (Alchemy and its ties to reanimation/ever-lasting life). The weapon doesn’t have to make sense.
actually someone mentioned recently that necro original death shroud was a rewind mechanic. Other peoples have mentioned it gives you a kind of extra HP
but its not so much that the classes become exactly like another, its that they will borrow the skill set from another class. and some of their playstyle.
its not fully guaranteed yet, it could just be these two. but regardless, its a pretty good bet that they will spread the skills around, and not reuse them.
i doubt anyone else will get wells, and anyone else will get traps.
But Split/Shift is nothing like DS. It can kill you as easily as save you. I genuinely don’t see enough functional similarity to back the claim.
People should stop trying to imagine up class hybrids as specs. Chronomancer has NOTHING to do with Necromancers. They share Wells, but the Wells don’t even operate in the same way! And Necros don’t have shields!
I seriously expect shouts on the Tempest, and less seriously could see elixers on necromancers (Alchemy and its ties to reanimation/ever-lasting life). The weapon doesn’t have to make sense.
actually someone mentioned recently that necro original death shroud was a rewind mechanic. Other peoples have mentioned it gives you a kind of extra HP
but its not so much that the classes become exactly like another, its that they will borrow the skill set from another class. and some of their playstyle.
its not fully guaranteed yet, it could just be these two. but regardless, its a pretty good bet that they will spread the skills around, and not reuse them.
i doubt anyone else will get wells, and anyone else will get traps.But Split/Shift is nothing like DS. It can kill you as easily as save you. I genuinely don’t see enough functional similarity to back the claim.
its basically a rewind mechanic, gone further in depth, im not saying they are identical, im saying its a combination of ideas.
is dragon hunter identical to ranger? no, its like how would guardian approach one aspect of ranger.
thief… staff, virtues = monk
i doubt anybody would get repeat weapons.
though i wouldnt mind theif H2H!
but alas, no new weapons, no new animations.
Stop matching weapons to professions. Necros do not use shields.
Stop matching weapons to professions. Necros do not use shields.
chronomancers the weapon came last, and since it was an offhand it couldnt define the spec anyhow.
i think jobs with two hand weapons will see the most symmetry.
its possible im wrong, time will tell.
Stop matching weapons to professions. Necros do not use shields.
chronomancers the weapon came last, and since it was an offhand it couldnt define the spec anyhow.
i think jobs with two hand weapons will see the most symmetry.
its possible im wrong, time will tell.
Maybe. But I seriously doubt the Tempest will be like the Mesmer. They would be far too similar.
Stop matching weapons to professions. Necros do not use shields.
chronomancers the weapon came last, and since it was an offhand it couldnt define the spec anyhow.
i think jobs with two hand weapons will see the most symmetry.
its possible im wrong, time will tell.
Maybe. But I seriously doubt the Tempest will be like the Mesmer. They would be far too similar.
well ele is one of my predictions i am not to confident about.
theif/engineer feels likely to me though, theme wise.
at one time they wanted theif to have more explosives and what not.
ele is tricky, because what playstyle are they missing? they already do everything.
Eles are missing an actual melee style. Dagger is more hybrid.
Eles are missing an actual melee style. Dagger is more hybrid.
so what do you think would go with that style, keep in mind it seems likely they will get 5 skills of whatever it is.
People should stop trying to imagine up class hybrids as specs. Chronomancer has NOTHING to do with Necromancers. They share Wells, but the Wells don’t even operate in the same way! And Necros don’t have shields!
I seriously expect shouts on the Tempest, and less seriously could see elixers on necromancers (Alchemy and its ties to reanimation/ever-lasting life). The weapon doesn’t have to make sense.
actually someone mentioned recently that necro original death shroud was a rewind mechanic. Other peoples have mentioned it gives you a kind of extra HP
but its not so much that the classes become exactly like another, its that they will borrow the skill set from another class. and some of their playstyle.
its not fully guaranteed yet, it could just be these two. but regardless, its a pretty good bet that they will spread the skills around, and not reuse them.
i doubt anyone else will get wells, and anyone else will get traps.But Split/Shift is nothing like DS. It can kill you as easily as save you. I genuinely don’t see enough functional similarity to back the claim.
Split/shift has actually some elements of spectral walk/recal and flesh wurm.
Specializations are about getting what you didn’t have before, so since engineers are already getting hammers for improved melee, i think they will be getting physical skills like warriors.
I’m sure mantras and venoms will be given to other classes and shouts is already confirmed.
Necro has little mobility so maybe their specialization will deal with that, and ranger is confirmed as getting a support specialization to make up for their lack of support. Thief has poor ranged capabilities, which is why I think they’ll be getting rifle.
IDK what warrior and ele are bad at lmao
EDIT: just read a post about thief getting elixirs, and I think that’s a great idea. Makes sense yo
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Eles are missing an actual melee style. Dagger is more hybrid.
so what do you think would go with that style, keep in mind it seems likely they will get 5 skills of whatever it is.
Not sure. Shouts, maybe? Or thief Deception skills.