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Posted by: Smallclaw.1650

Smallclaw.1650

I think there are some points being missed amidst all of the angry player warfare.

GW2 is not GW1. Stop comparing the two games; they are never going to be the same. Each one has its strengths and weaknesses; people are going to favor aspects of one versus the other. If you want to play GW1, I suggest you do that, and stop holding your breath for GW2 to suddenly transform into a GW1 reproduction. You will die of asphyxiation.

Since there are people digging into this, to actually argue that HoT is not an ‘expansion’ based on GW1 expansions, map size, what is being included, etc – on GW1 the actual area you were able to maneuver around was much smaller. Yes, the expansions provided larger ‘bricks of land’ but how much of that land could you even travel on? Surely not as much, as dividers existed between trails that barred you from popping from one section to another. The percentage of area you could actually explore was significantly less.

But these two games are not the same. So that entire argument is moot to begin with!

As for the Free Character slot for Revenant:

It’s not ANet’s responsibility to provide you with a free character slot. Would it be nice? Oh yeah. Would a million dollars be nice? You bet, but let’s be realistic. You have x character slots full of 80’s. If you knew HoT would be introducing a new class with it since January, this entire time you could have been preparing for that additional slot, instead of banking on the assumption that a slot would be handed out. ANet never promised a free slot; counting your chickens before they hatch will set one up for disappointment.

We are given free monthly dailies that include gear, Laurels, Mystic Coins, Tomes of Knowledge and more. Surely if one works hard to earn gold to transfer into gems, they can purchase their own additional slot, and use their saved Tomes of Knowledge to help their character reach 80. This is what many players have been doing. This is not rocket science.

Back again to the “Well, in GW1…” This is not GW1. Never will be.

“But we’ve spent so much time over the past 3 years, given ANet our money, etc.”
You, as a veteran player, have more advantage than any new player will. This is obvious. How much have you accomplished over 3 years? Do you think, suddenly because new players get the core game included for free, that they will match the advantages that you have, in a much shorter amount of time? From Ascended gear to daily and monthly achievements, to what you have built up in your bank, to all of these things, your advantage over new players surpasses their fortune of a free base game. How about veteran players be more thankful? I know I am, and I have been playing since initial launch. You played to have fun, not to be rewarded for doing it. You earned your rewards yourself. ANet is not going to hand things out to you.

ANet has never made you pay money for anything. Any gems you have purchased, anything at all, you have done willingly. Whether it was because you felt you simply needed to have x, or because buying x would make x easier for you, you have been the one making these purchase decisions. They have never been required, and ANet has never provided a means to gaining advantage over other players with out of game currency.

If you expected special treatment for your own decisions, then ANet is not at fault and owes you nothing, you are.

It is assumed that players have stayed with GW2 because they enjoy it, not because they expect fancy things out of it. Or, at least, one can hope.

Those who argue that $50 for even the Basic pre-purchase option is too much, why? Look at today’s market. We’re getting a new area, a new class, new elite specializations, guild halls, a plethora of new things to work for; whether you think that HoT is an expansion or not, it is expanding from the core game therefore, it is an expansion.

If you can’t afford $50, do what everyone does when they can’t afford something. Save up for it, ask it to be gifted for x special day, or be quiet. Just because some of us can afford, and see even the Basic option as desirable, doesn’t mean our money was not earned, or that we ‘have it easy’ because we can afford it. I work hard for my paychecks, and I don’t feel scammed at all by ANet.

I am excited to enjoy the new content, and more quick to find things I like, than find things I don’t. If you’re upset, maybe you should reevaluate whether or not your disappointment was due to expectations that were never promised.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

I think there are some points being missed amidst all of the angry player warfare.

GW2 is not GW1. Stop comparing the two games; they are never going to be the same. Each one has its strengths and weaknesses; people are going to favor aspects of one versus the other. If you want to play GW1, I suggest you do that, and stop holding your breath for GW2 to suddenly transform into a GW1 reproduction. You will die of asphyxiation.

Since there are people digging into this, to actually argue that HoT is not an ‘expansion’ based on GW1 expansions, map size, what is being included, etc – on GW1 the actual area you were able to maneuver around was much smaller. Yes, the expansions provided larger ‘bricks of land’ but how much of that land could you even travel on? Surely not as much, as dividers existed between trails that barred you from popping from one section to another. The percentage of area you could actually explore was significantly less.

But these two games are not the same. So that entire argument is moot to begin with!

As for the Free Character slot for Revenant:

It’s not ANet’s responsibility to provide you with a free character slot. Would it be nice? Oh yeah. Would a million dollars be nice? You bet, but let’s be realistic. You have x character slots full of 80’s. If you knew HoT would be introducing a new class with it since January, this entire time you could have been preparing for that additional slot, instead of banking on the assumption that a slot would be handed out. ANet never promised a free slot; counting your chickens before they hatch will set one up for disappointment.

up for it, ask it to be gifted for x special day, or be quiet. Just because some of us can afford, and see even the Basic option as desirable, doesn’t mean our money was not earned, or that we ‘have it easy’ because we can afford it. I work hard for my paychecks, and I don’t feel scammed at all by ANet.

I am excited to enjoy the new content, and more quick to find things I like, than find things I don’t. If you’re upset, maybe you should reevaluate whether or not your disappointment was due to expectations that were never promised.

in todays market, a highly successful MMO just released a 40 dollar expansion.

the fact that you can offer to work for someone else and have them pay the 10 dollars for your revenant charachter slot (which is what you are doing when you sell your time earning gold to another player) is also irrelevent

fact is, if you are a current player without a free slot you must pay 60 dollars, or do work with equivalent monetary value of 60 dollars in order to play with revenant.

Its not really about what was promised, its about what is being offered, and how that compares to similar goods and services on the market or, what you gain by purchasing.

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Posted by: Frightlight.3796

Frightlight.3796

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

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Posted by: Smallclaw.1650

Smallclaw.1650

Isn’t that life? Time and money go hand in hand.

So we are comparing GW2, a highly successful MMO to other MMO’s on the market who are made by different companies? Comparing the work and quality of one to another is a bit of a stretch. What you gain by purchasing is the promised content. Don’t want to pay for it? Then don’t play.

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Posted by: ozmaniandevil.6805

ozmaniandevil.6805

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

People continue to ignore the FACT that there are a lot of players who haven’t been around for the full 2.5 years the game has been out. Some people bought 2 months ago in anticipation of the xpac. I’m sure they don’t all have 50000 gold and 8 legendaries and they haven’t been able to play LS1 or LS2. This kicks them in the face way harder than the long time players.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

Isn’t that life? Time and money go hand in hand.

So we are comparing GW2, a highly successful MMO to other MMO’s on the market who are made by different companies? Comparing the work and quality of one to another is a bit of a stretch. What you gain by purchasing is the promised content. Don’t want to pay for it? Then don’t play.

I compared it because you bring up todays market in your post

“Those who argue that $50 for even the Basic pre-purchase option is too much, why? Look at today’s market. "

and as for the dont want to pay, dont pay thing, thats what people are saying. They are saying they dont think they will be paying at this price, and telling anet why. Since this is one forum that will contain both GW2 core players and GW2hot players, you cant really tell them to leave the store, because they are still core players.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Even without comparing GW1 it seems quite natural to expect that an expansion does not cost as much as a full game unless its a standalone that is the size of an entire game, to be honest.

But I dont mind. I just noticed that my favorite game/hardware store is selling HoT for €35 instead of €45… And they note its expansion only, lol. Reality, woooooo!!!

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Posted by: papry.8096

papry.8096

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

Because you(a 3 years old player) owe something to new players ?
Wait; this must mean that I owe something to 2 years old players ?
And they owe something to 1 years old players.

OWEception.

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Posted by: Frightlight.3796

Frightlight.3796

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

People continue to ignore the FACT that there are a lot of players who haven’t been around for the full 2.5 years the game has been out. Some people bought 2 months ago in anticipation of the xpac. I’m sure they don’t all have 50000 gold and 8 legendaries and they haven’t been able to play LS1 or LS2. This kicks them in the face way harder than the long time players.

As it should we long time players are rewarded with the best looking cosmetics and a huge headstart.

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Posted by: Smallclaw.1650

Smallclaw.1650

When I said market, I was referring to the global market of everything we pay for in general; not to other MMO’s. Apologies for not specifying more clearly.

For those who purchased the game within the past couple months, yes I do think they should be refunded or offered something as a means of compensation for losing a good deal – but the points I mentioned above are ones I am seeing thrown around. I am fully aware that some players are angry for valid reasons but those reasons are not ones I mentioned in my original post.

Which, being compensated for missing out on said deal is something that can just as easily be taken up with ANet directly.

Do I think everyone deserves to use the forum? Absolutely. However, as mentioned, some arguments don’t apply and I’ve stated why I think so.

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Posted by: Frightlight.3796

Frightlight.3796

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

Because you(a 3 years old player) owe something to new players ?
Wait; this must mean that I owe something to 2 years old players ?
And they owe something to 1 years old players.

OWEception.

No as a long time player I am not owed anything I only have what I have worked for in game. I am fine with new players getting the base game that way they can increase our player base. It doesn’t bother me when I buy HOT that I don’t get anything extra because I already have all the awesome stuff from playing over the course of release till now.

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Posted by: papry.8096

papry.8096

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

Because you(a 3 years old player) owe something to new players ?
Wait; this must mean that I owe something to 2 years old players ?
And they owe something to 1 years old players.

OWEception.

No as a long time player I am not owed anything I only have what I have worked for in game. I am fine with new players getting the base game that way they can increase our player base. It doesn’t bother me when I buy HOT that I don’t get anything extra because I already have all the awesome stuff from playing over the course of release till now.

You are the first one to give me an answer that doesn’t tick me off.
Thank you.

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Posted by: Pyriel.4370

Pyriel.4370

OP…..

Please stop whiteknighting, this is embarrassing to read. Whether it is reddit, gaming journalists or the general player base, you really are in the minority on this. Most people feel rightly peeved over this. Anet’s silence has also made it much worse.

You missed a big point, it isn’t WORTH $50 to everyone, especially when most of your player base go ‘No it isn’t worth $50’. In this whole sense we owe Anet nothing too as consumers. Based on how this is handled I’m surprised any turn up to the office, stressed is probably an understatement for how they probably feel for the failures of the higher ups, I’m genuinely hoping they don’t take this whole thing too personally. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Anet staff have been ‘gagged’ about this issue because someone forgot that communication is key in solving issues.

They got caught with a shady marketing issue which has made everyone second guess everything about the deals they offered. This isn’t entitlement, it is respect. Sure it’s not got a character slot, sure the fluff isn’t too flashy, but treat your customers the same and don’t try to rip them off.

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Posted by: Frightlight.3796

Frightlight.3796

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

Because you(a 3 years old player) owe something to new players ?
Wait; this must mean that I owe something to 2 years old players ?
And they owe something to 1 years old players.

OWEception.

No as a long time player I am not owed anything I only have what I have worked for in game. I am fine with new players getting the base game that way they can increase our player base. It doesn’t bother me when I buy HOT that I don’t get anything extra because I already have all the awesome stuff from playing over the course of release till now.

You are the first one to give me an answer that doesn’t tick me off.
Thank you.

NP I feel the stuff we have been given has been fun and interesting enough to put forth cash for expac that I can expect the same or more from. Heck I might buy 2 preorders.

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Posted by: papry.8096

papry.8096

I don’t see a big deal with the newbies getting a bit more for the cost. They wont have the legendaries I have the skins I have the gold I have saved the AP titles etc.. I will be starting HOT with pretty much max everything and best gear possible while they will be lvling to reach HOT content I will already be completing it. Some of the things I have gotten will never be obtainable to the newer players and that is fine with me.

Because you(a 3 years old player) owe something to new players ?
Wait; this must mean that I owe something to 2 years old players ?
And they owe something to 1 years old players.

OWEception.

No as a long time player I am not owed anything I only have what I have worked for in game. I am fine with new players getting the base game that way they can increase our player base. It doesn’t bother me when I buy HOT that I don’t get anything extra because I already have all the awesome stuff from playing over the course of release till now.

You are the first one to give me an answer that doesn’t tick me off.
Thank you.

NP I feel the stuff we have been given has been fun and interesting enough to put forth cash for expac that I can expect the same or more from. Heck I might buy 2 preorders.

Well with how Anet answer; I’m really not in the mood to support them anymore.

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Posted by: Daddar.5971

Daddar.5971

I’ll keep it simple: This expansion will cost me a minimum of $60, because I will need to buy a new slot for the Revenant. I would not buy the expansion without at least trying the new profession, and I’m not willing to delete a character.

So, the question is: Is $60 reasonable for the expansion (w/ a slot) or not? From what we’ve been shown, it isn’t worth it to me. If the price were $50 and it included a slot, it would probably be worth it to me. I have 15 characters at the moment, many with purchased armor skins, bag slots, makeovers, etc… so it’s not like I never spend money in the gem store.

I’m considering leaving ESO and coming back to GW2 full-time after a long break. Yes, $10 really is the break-point on this. I will wait to see what happens. If they drop the price or throw in a slot I’m probably in. It’s not that they owe it to me, but I don’t owe A-net either.

‘Elite’ in all 9 professions. I take mediocrity seriously!

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Posted by: Pretty Pixie.8603

Pretty Pixie.8603

kitten argument, since a B2P depends on the goodwill of it’s playerbase to keep the microtransactions rolling.

Give the playerbase that have been subsidising your product a bum deal, and you can expect an uproar.

I love the cynical "you should have known they’d rort you’.

Relentless Inquisition [PAIN] – FA

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Posted by: Blazing Liger.1236

Blazing Liger.1236

I currently don’t believe HoT is worth $50. It’s also worth noting that there are a LOT of MMOs out there that are currently F2P that regularly have large (much larger than GW2’s Feature Packs) content updates for FREE. Star Trek Online, Neverwinter, Tera, etc. ANet needs to justify having us pay for the expansion at all, let alone $50 for it. Their silence is very bad PR, and they should be addressing these issues.

For me personally, $50 is a lot of money. I’m unemployed and my husband doesn’t make a lot of money. He will not be getting HoT, since his concerns with the game were NEVER addressed, and he stopped playing a couple months after release. Essentially, if I don’t get a job soon and he doesn’t allow me to purchase it, I won’t be getting it either.

It’s hard to do jumping puzzles with a big, fuzzy butt.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

RabbitUp.8294

No as a long time player I am not owed anything I only have what I have worked for in game. I am fine with new players getting the base game that way they can increase our player base. It doesn’t bother me when I buy HOT that I don’t get anything extra because I already have all the awesome stuff from playing over the course of release till now.

Which you paid for already when you bought GW2.

This is a new product that Anet is offering and it will have to justify its price tag by itself, not ride the coat tails of consumer trust and loyalty, while slapping the existing playerbase across the face at the same time.