Wow, first i saw the swirlling hammers of the Revenant was taken (one of my favorite traits) now the Ele Frost bow….one of most beloved and depended on items in the game was nerfed! HOW COULD YOU DO THAT??? Its mostly used in pve….almost seemed like just meanness the way it was announced yesterday. Sorry, but thats gonna upset a lot of people. I sure would like to know the reasoning for that. And the hammers for the Revenant…..so useful. First the damage was reduced, now you take it???
Oh look, I have to find something else to fill in the slot/role of ice bow and explore the rest of my skills. Meh, I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner, considering that elementalists have known that ice bow was OP for quite some time. We weren’t complaining, mind you, but I am actually surprised that it wasn’t hit with the nerf bat sooner.
Don’t worry OP, there are plenty of other skills that are high powered for you to play with. Also, look on the bright side, you might find yourself finding another skill that fills in the same role.
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Meh, it was great bringing zergs to their knees while it lasted. I will probably still use the skill. I mean, on the high end I was able to average nearly 5k per strike with mild might. 2k per strike is still very good. 3 targets down from 5 is where the pain really sets in… Oh well, at least I have the glorious memory of downing half a zerg that was PvD-ing. We were outnumbered almost 3 to 1. My nuking allowed me to down half the zerg, giving our small group the opportunity it needed to push out. The XP and the bags were kittening epic. We were able to push them out of our keep because of a well timed use of my aoe bombs. Make no mistake, I will still be able to do it, it will just be a little less beautiful, because frost bow is usually the last in my chain anyway. Staff ele has plenty of aoe damage, frost bow was just the cherry on top.
Give us more GW 1 weapon and armor skins, please. COPY/PASTE ALREADY!!!!
Oh my the 1 ability that Ele’s had is now nerfed whatever shall we do, it would make sense if they had … oh …. I don’t know, several other abilities but that’s just not the case. Oh wait after further searching I have come to the conclusion that Ele’s do indeed have several other abilities, who knew !
-CM: standing on the wooden plank to kill frost
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen
-Arah: cheese walling lupi
-Arah: jumping the wall to skip half of p4, also works on p3
-Cliffside: cheesing diviner on the rock
-Mai trin: Ellen keil res exploit
-Jade maw: reflect crystal duplication exploit
-Swamp: mossman underwater exploit
-Volcanic growl fractal: stone duplication exploit for first boss
It’s great that your attempting to do something about the state of pve anet. But 2 years of neglect is not going to be undone by changing 2 parameters in your code. You need to continue to make improvements.
-CM: standing on the wooden plank to kill frost
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen
-Arah: cheese walling lupi
-Arah: jumping the wall to skip half of p4, also works on p3
-Cliffside: cheesing diviner on the rock
-Mai trin: Ellen keil res exploit
-Jade maw: reflect crystal duplication exploit
-Swamp: mossman underwater exploit
-Volcanic growl fractal: stone duplication exploit for first boss
It’s great that your attempting to do something about the state of pve anet. But 2 years of neglect is not going to be undone by changing 2 parameters in your code. You need to continue to make improvements.
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen only works occasionally. But if it does happen to time correctly I think its fine doing massive damage. I find trying to reflect wahlens attack the most fun part of cm. Plus the path is soo easy anyways, why not enjoy a gimmick. Although I do agree that standing on the plank at the end is annoying.
Agree with this nerf. Two IBs could clear any dungeon, why bring anything else?
Why? Because you want to have more fun.
And if you don’t, you may as well use a skill that allows you to clear the dungeon quickly and receive your rewards. I have sincerely no idea why would anyone dislike Ice Bow in PvE. Unless, of course, you really like to force others into playing their game the way you prefer to play it.
A few months ago, they said they were nerfing IB4 during a balance stream. The next stream they then said “Oh, we’re not nerfing it, we’re increasing it by 50%.” Now they’re nerfing it down by 50%.
So in actuality, IB4 is just returning to the way it was before the buff happened, which will be the normal damage it did when the game launched.
Very, very curious to see how this goes. Well, If it becomes useless (Which I doubt) eles will still hold a high place in pve gameplay, they still offer great utility and amazing damage (And godly AoE sustain). I honestly wish they’d just nerf it into the ground so eles can take something different for once. -_-
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OH NO MY BROKEN ABILITY WAS FIXED, OH NO!
AND THE DEV THAT DELIVERED THE NEWS ACTED LIKE AN ASSHOLRE ABOUT IT QQ kitten Q.
I love that developer, he did a good job. Memorable moment in the stream for sure.
It actually sounds like it’s not being fixed, they didn’t mention anything about the bug that lets all the impacts be pushed into a much smaller area being fixed.
What is sounds like is happening is that it’s getting is damage balanced around the fact that the linecasting/cornercasting bug exists.
Even at 50% damage, it’s still a very powerful (But not completely ridiculous) spell for exploiters, for people that play as intended though, it’s useless.
I can only imagine that it’s a sign that they’re unable to fix the linecasting/cornercasting bug without breaking something else.
-CM: standing on the wooden plank to kill frost
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen
-Arah: cheese walling lupi
-Arah: jumping the wall to skip half of p4, also works on p3
-Cliffside: cheesing diviner on the rock
-Mai trin: Ellen keil res exploit
-Jade maw: reflect crystal duplication exploit
-Swamp: mossman underwater exploit
-Volcanic growl fractal: stone duplication exploit for first boss
It’s great that your attempting to do something about the state of pve anet. But 2 years of neglect is not going to be undone by changing 2 parameters in your code. You need to continue to make improvements.
I heard ppl getting banned for them, there’s even selling groups saying “No exploits” in their lfg
Agree with this nerf. Two IBs could clear any dungeon, why bring anything else?
Why? Because you want to have more fun.
And if you don’t, you may as well use a skill that allows you to clear the dungeon quickly and receive your rewards. I have sincerely no idea why would anyone dislike Ice Bow in PvE. Unless, of course, you really like to force others into playing their game the way you prefer to play it.
ideally, people should never feel that one choice is objectively better than others.
nerfs are good for you. embrace the nerf. let the nerf into your heart
Yes, balance is a good thing. Nerfing something so badly that it becomes imbalanced on the opposite side of the spectrum is a bad thing.
The thing is, even with its damage cut in half, Ice Storm is still the highest damaging skill in the game. Currently it does 329 × 24 over a 3 second period. That is 7,896 tooltip damage, or 2632 tooltip DPS.
On my unoptimized ele, I would frequently hit anywhere from 4k to 5k per bolt, direct damage. With linecasting I could land nearly every bolt on the target. The bleeds tick for 335 extra per bolt, coming to 8k damage in bleeding alone. That totals to 128k damage in 3 seconds. It was insane! On my thief I could hit over 6k per bolt, coming to 152k damage in 3 seconds. Having 50.67k DPS just simply wasn’t O.K.
Originally I was against an icebow nerf, but the linecasting tactic kind of ruined the balance of the skill. Even if you cut the direct damage in half (68k, 80k) it is still the highest damaging skill in PVE. It also comes with a pretty good stun and chill application.
Even with all that said, I think it is overnerfed. Ice Storm didn’t need a target reduction.
I don’t have opinions. I only have facts I can’t adequately prove.
The thing is, even with its damage cut in half, Ice Storm is still the highest damaging skill in the game. Currently it does 329 × 24 over a 3 second period. That is 7,896 tooltip damage, or 2632 tooltip DPS.
On my unoptimized ele, I would frequently hit anywhere from 4k to 5k per bolt, direct damage. With linecasting I could land nearly every bolt on the target. The bleeds tick for 335 extra per bolt, coming to 8k damage in bleeding alone. That totals to 128k damage in 3 seconds. It was insane! On my thief I could hit over 6k per bolt, coming to 152k damage in 3 seconds. Having 50.67k DPS just simply wasn’t O.K.
Originally I was against an icebow nerf, but the linecasting tactic kind of ruined the balance of the skill. Even if you cut the direct damage in half (68k, 80k) it is still the highest damaging skill in PVE. It also comes with a pretty good stun and chill application.
Even with all that said, I think it is overnerfed. Ice Storm didn’t need a target reduction.
Okay, wow. I never knew about any “linecasting” trick and have no idea how it’s done, but I guess that answers a question I’ve had. I’ve never understood why Icebow got such attention when my uses of it never seemed to produce extreme results. Now I know.
It sucks that it’s going to be near useless for me without that trick, but imbalanced damage like that has to be stopped.
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delicate, brick-like subtlety.
Irenio delivered it like a boss, straight into the kittening meta.
Nah. It looked as if he had something personal against eles and was actually enjoying it way too much. Ice bow needed and deserved to be nerfed (tho maybe not as badly as it ended up – anet devs always liked to go overboard with things), there’s no argument about it, but there was no need for such childish behaviour at all.
A few months ago, they said they were nerfing IB4 during a balance stream. The next stream they then said “Oh, we’re not nerfing it, we’re increasing it by 50%.” Now they’re nerfing it down by 50%.
So in actuality, IB4 is just returning to the way it was before the buff happened, which will be the normal damage it did when the game launched.
Next time before posting check carefully the facts. That didn’t actually happen.
On my unoptimized ele, I would frequently hit anywhere from 4k to 5k per bolt, direct damage. With linecasting I could land nearly every bolt on the target.
Well, you pointed that out. The afternerf icebow is good only assuming you are using linecasting exploit. Which is an exploit, and should’t be something skills are balanced about.
Actions, not words.
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The elementalists don’t care, most dmg still comes from good rotations… And now we’ll see glyph of storms and glyph of elementals reintroduced in dungeons, Hope people learn to switch 1 ele to earth and use it for a blast finisher, blast blast (6,7), the the wall the sandstorm then moving to fire and the second ele one starting with fire : lava font (6,7) then MS, buring and switching to sandstorm to conditnue blind uptimes and rewalling… maybe even using blast 2 in eart to hit water 3 for maximum sustain and mitigation while simultanioulsy still doing high AOE dmg. Of course lightning storm and lightning hammer is still available… I am pretty sure FGS and IB have been nerfed to $#!7, now see what the axe and lightning hammer can do….
23 lvl 80’s, 9 times map, 4ele, 4ncr, 3war, 3grd, 3rgr, 2thf, 2msm, 1eng, 1 rev.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
I can’t wait for HoT to become live. My new profession will be the ‘Dev’ enant and my 1 skill is the Nerf Bat auto attack which will render all skills in PvE useless.
Arenanet have ALWAYS excessively nerfed certain skills since GW1 prophecies… Why expect anything different. We’ll just have to wait and see.
-CM: standing on the wooden plank to kill frost
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen
-Arah: cheese walling lupi
-Arah: jumping the wall to skip half of p4, also works on p3
-Cliffside: cheesing diviner on the rock
-Mai trin: Ellen keil res exploit
-Jade maw: reflect crystal duplication exploit
-Swamp: mossman underwater exploit
-Volcanic growl fractal: stone duplication exploit for first boss
It’s great that your attempting to do something about the state of pve anet. But 2 years of neglect is not going to be undone by changing 2 parameters in your code. You need to continue to make improvements.
I heard ppl getting banned for them, there’s even selling groups saying “No exploits” in their lfg
Banning people is not a substitute for fixing. It needs to be fixed. Many of these exploits are demanded by the majority of pugs. Just as icebow needed to be fixed. I disagree with the way it was fixed, but I acknowledge that a fix was needed for the raid bosses which will probably all be large hit box.
The elementalists don’t care, most dmg still comes from good rotations… And now we’ll see glyph of storms and glyph of elementals reintroduced in dungeons, Hope people learn to switch 1 ele to earth and use it for a blast finisher, blast blast (6,7), the the wall the sandstorm then moving to fire and the second ele one starting with fire : lava font (6,7) then MS, buring and switching to sandstorm to conditnue blind uptimes and rewalling… maybe even using blast 2 in eart to hit water 3 for maximum sustain and mitigation while simultanioulsy still doing high AOE dmg. Of course lightning storm and lightning hammer is still available… I am pretty sure FGS and IB have been nerfed to $#!7, now see what the axe and lightning hammer can do….
Or groups will skip all that and just have 3 eles sitting in fire spamming lava font/fireball, with a war doing the might stacking and a guard/thief doing the blinds. Boring but its the highest dps you can get in game, ice bow or not (i’m not complaining, just stating a fact).
Either way ice bow still needed a nerf, and since it will still be a useful weapon (at least on stuff with big hitboxes) it doesnt seem like an overnerf at all.
Personally I believe the nerf was needed, with that said this badly, it looks at least on the surface, to me to make the skill not viable. 50% damage nerf on top of only hitting 3 targets max instead of 5 means it will not have reduced dps potential of 40% from that alone. So that is something like 30% of the damage potential it used to have.
