Guild Wars 2

I want to start by saying that i love the expansion so far but, its gonna start to feel less rewarding if its gonna get nerfed so much.

I want to say so many things about this that I don’t even know where to start, i understand that this game is firstly a business and that it needs to attract as many people as possible, specially casuals that tend to keep the game running most of the times because they are the spenders of real money of the game, they work and maybe buy some gems here and there like myself because they can’t afford to play the game enough to get thing, I get that.

That being said, there is no reason why its “unacceptable” as they say to have gated content, what was the reason to change the hero points in VB? What was so bad in us playing the game, earning that hero point after 2 weeks of play or something, I did hero points casually here and there and managed to unlock my spec and I still have more than half hero points available to get I think.

This doesn’t come from a ’ omg look at me hardcore player’ this just comes from someone that is casual but I want to feel rewarded for playing the game. Its enough that most of the game is unrewarding in many ways, event xp doesn’t scale depending on difficulty or length, gold rewards are something to be desired, you spend months for an achievement just o get 5 points and the list goes on.

You guys finally gave us something that was rewarding, it said look, if you finish this, you get to do all this fun stuff, or you get to go to this cool place and get a hero point, I don’t think that having 2 hero points on VB gated behind poison lore was something that had to be addressed. You can go to Dragon Stand be part of the large event and get 3 hero points just by ignoring some mini bosses, we could do that instead.

The point of my post is, its ok for us not not have access to everything right from the start, its ok for content to be time gated, its ok for the story to be time gated, I think you guys at ANet forget this is an mmo, and that GW2 is a B2P so there is no subscription pressure on people, these people that complain now, will finish the content that you nerfed in a week and move on to another game and all that will be left are the bad reviews and the nerfs.

I agree with you. I found it to be rewarding to work towards my Elite Specialization. Now pretty much every character I got, has it fully unlocked before I even set foot in the new maps. I honestly think it’s a bit of a shame that they removed the Itzel Poison Mastery from Mission 14 as well, as it wasn’t something too harsh to achieve when you put your efforts towards it.

I have barely done any events more than once, bar a few that I enjoy, and I have gotten rank 4 in most Maguuma Mastery tracks. There was no grind here, just me exploring, gathering, killing enemies (they drop Exotic trinkets for Achievements/Collections), doing events I hadn’t done, bosses, Hero Challenges, Mastery Points, Vistas, Points of Interest, Waypoints, and so on forth—across the 4 new maps. The sad fact is that now I am all done with the Story (the final fight is awesome I might add, if you understand the mechanics), and it hasn’t even been a week. All my characters have their Elite Specializations. It became far too easy.

What’s so wrong about spending a little time to progress for a change? They even allow the exploitation of endless spawns in dungeons, meaning having higher Mastery Ranks aren’t even special anymore. Oh, you got Rank 78, you exploited a weakness in the game, aren’t you great.

MrMouser.6583:

I want to start by saying that i love the expansion so far but, its gonna start to feel less rewarding if its gonna get nerfed so much.

I want to say so many things about this that I don’t even know where to start, i understand that this game is firstly a business and that it needs to attract as many people as possible, specially casuals that tend to keep the game running most of the times because they are the spenders of real money of the game, they work and maybe buy some gems here and there like myself because they can’t afford to play the game enough to get thing, I get that.

That being said, there is no reason why its “unacceptable” as they say to have gated content, what was the reason to change the hero points in VB? What was so bad in us playing the game, earning that hero point after 2 weeks of play or something, I did hero points casually here and there and managed to unlock my spec and I still have more than half hero points available to get I think.

This doesn’t come from a ’ omg look at me hardcore player’ this just comes from someone that is casual but I want to feel rewarded for playing the game. Its enough that most of the game is unrewarding in many ways, event xp doesn’t scale depending on difficulty or length, gold rewards are something to be desired, you spend months for an achievement just o get 5 points and the list goes on.

You guys finally gave us something that was rewarding, it said look, if you finish this, you get to do all this fun stuff, or you get to go to this cool place and get a hero point, I don’t think that having 2 hero points on VB gated behind poison lore was something that had to be addressed. You can go to Dragon Stand be part of the large event and get 3 hero points just by ignoring some mini bosses, we could do that instead.

The point of my post is, its ok for us not not have access to everything right from the start, its ok for content to be time gated, its ok for the story to be time gated, I think you guys at ANet forget this is an mmo, and that GW2 is a B2P so there is no subscription pressure on people, these people that complain now, will finish the content that you nerfed in a week and move on to another game and all that will be left are the bad reviews and the nerfs.

1.this is a F2P mmo now
2. yes, this is what happens, when you screw 2/3 of your playerbase
lets see, how long the remaining players can keep it afloat

battledrone.8315:

MrMouser.6583:

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1.this is a F2P mmo now
2. yes, this is what happens, when you screw 2/3 of your playerbase
lets see, how long the remaining players can keep it afloat

1. Nope
2. Screwed the playerbase? 2/3 is basically screwing itself, that might include you.

Is HoT F2P ? …
Plus no one is screwed, the 2/3 player base, paying whatever money or whatever for an expansion doesn’t mean they need to get everything in 2 days, doesn’t mean they are more special than others just because you are casual and this comes from someone that is actually casual. It is frustrating going to a hero point and seeing it lie behind a poison cloud but the idea of you being able to go in there after a while with no worry is more exiting than coming back after 3 days from launch just to see the point moved a bit …

Its not mandatory that the moment you exit a map you must have 100% completion, its ok to come after 1 or 2 points when you have the right powers or tools to get that point its the whole point of a progression.

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

battledrone.8315:

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

Its not a point, its your opinion. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like challenge, progression and puzzles. You just like to spam 1 on a farm map.

By your logic any car that you can test drive can be considered “free”. Because you can drive in it without paying for it. But to have the full functionality, you have to pay the total sum. Still in your eyes its “free”.

So by this logic, you should hang around at a car shop, test driving cars all day. And keep from saying bad things about other peoples cars, who actually paid for it. Thank you.

EDIT: Which basically means, go back to silverwastes. Thank you.

Like Day 1 GW2, the experience I’m sure is fun and rewarding, when the population dies down I expect the jungle to be tuned accordingly. Otherwise those huge map wide events that need hundreds of players will never be touched again and the zone will die.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

Its not a point, its your opinion. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like challenge, progression and puzzles. You just like to spam 1 on a farm map.

By your logic any car that you can test drive can be considered “free”. Because you can drive in it without paying for it. But to have the full functionality, you have to pay the total sum. Still in your eyes its “free”.

So by this logic, you should hang around at a car shop, test driving cars all day. And keep from saying bad things about other peoples cars, who actually paid for it. Thank you.

EDIT: Which basically means, go back to silverwastes. Thank you.

the nerfhammer is already in action, that means, that i wasnt the only one
if the test drive lets me go almost anywhere for as long, as i want. yes it is
PRACTICALLY a free car

Sicarius.4639:

Like Day 1 GW2, the experience I’m sure is fun and rewarding, when the population dies down I expect the jungle to be tuned accordingly. Otherwise those huge map wide events that need hundreds of players will never be touched again and the zone will die.

I’m not convinced it will die down too much. With the Mega Server system, I’m sure there’s always going to be a few overflows with enough people, and you can always use the LFG system to request a taxi and Join on someone. The maps are incredibly rewarding in terms of loot and in that sense, Gold. I don’t see why people wouldn’t want to be there. Plus gliding is so much fun. Going outside these zones now is such a drag, because you want to glide down every little slope you traverse. I think this will be a healthy zone for the foreseeable future.

battledrone.8315:

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

Its not a point, its your opinion. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like challenge, progression and puzzles. You just like to spam 1 on a farm map.

By your logic any car that you can test drive can be considered “free”. Because you can drive in it without paying for it. But to have the full functionality, you have to pay the total sum. Still in your eyes its “free”.

So by this logic, you should hang around at a car shop, test driving cars all day. And keep from saying bad things about other peoples cars, who actually paid for it. Thank you.

EDIT: Which basically means, go back to silverwastes. Thank you.

the nerfhammer is already in action, that means, that i wasnt the only one
if the test drive lets me go almost anywhere for as long, as i want. yes it is
PRACTICALLY a free car

This company shouldn’t actually listen to players test driving all day, because they aren’t paying anyways.

Oh yeah, if you were the only player that wanted easy content, I wouldn’t be here posting in defense. I have to, because Anet caters to braindead players that need a giant arrow to lead them to the chest, and make players press F for free loot.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

Its not a point, its your opinion. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like challenge, progression and puzzles. You just like to spam 1 on a farm map.

By your logic any car that you can test drive can be considered “free”. Because you can drive in it without paying for it. But to have the full functionality, you have to pay the total sum. Still in your eyes its “free”.

So by this logic, you should hang around at a car shop, test driving cars all day. And keep from saying bad things about other peoples cars, who actually paid for it. Thank you.

EDIT: Which basically means, go back to silverwastes. Thank you.

the nerfhammer is already in action, that means, that i wasnt the only one
if the test drive lets me go almost anywhere for as long, as i want. yes it is
PRACTICALLY a free car

This company shouldn’t actually listen to players test driving all day, because they aren’t paying anyways.

Oh yeah, if you were the only player that wanted easy content, I wouldn’t be here posting in defense. I have to, because Anet caters to braindead players that need a giant arrow to lead them to the chest, and make players press F for free loot.

Lol, that picture.

Yeah people feel entitled to every bit of content in the game without playing it just because they paid for it and fail to remember its an mmo and it should not work that way, you already see people being but hurt about Nightfury, how dare they make it so hard to get, if people actually wanted Nightfury they would have bough wings and the brew day one before it got expensive but no, I am a crybaby, i come after 3 years and demand to have my free ultra rare item because I paid for the game. This also goes back to people that complained about HoT giving the core game for free, so you have Blizz that ask for ex-pack price plus you need to pay for all other previous ex-packs ( gotten better in the recent years but you still need to pay) but when ANet gives freebies so that more of out friends can come to the game easily old players can only say, but where is my shiny … it may be the friendliest community but lacks on logic a lot.

I am afraid for when raids will come out, because we know how much of a facerooll they will be after 3 days because of “casuals”. To be fair, I think the vast majority of the casual players don’t even look once at the forum or give a review. I don’t see why companies still listen to the the vocal minority that always has something to say about everything, maybe not all games should cater to all people, maybe we can just do without some, I don’t see how I can take a person seriously when they live a 1/10 stars review because they can’t get a hero point on day one.

MrMouser.6583:

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

battledrone.8315:

you fail to see the point: maguma is so badly designed, that most casuals wont
touch it again
we had the “pleasure” of doing something similar before in silverwastes
silverwastes didnt cost us 50$ though
and it didnt exactly revitalize the game either, did it?
the core game is free, and that is where NEW players start
so, it IS a F2P mmo now

Its not a point, its your opinion. The opinion of someone who doesn’t like challenge, progression and puzzles. You just like to spam 1 on a farm map.

By your logic any car that you can test drive can be considered “free”. Because you can drive in it without paying for it. But to have the full functionality, you have to pay the total sum. Still in your eyes its “free”.

So by this logic, you should hang around at a car shop, test driving cars all day. And keep from saying bad things about other peoples cars, who actually paid for it. Thank you.

EDIT: Which basically means, go back to silverwastes. Thank you.

the nerfhammer is already in action, that means, that i wasnt the only one
if the test drive lets me go almost anywhere for as long, as i want. yes it is
PRACTICALLY a free car

This company shouldn’t actually listen to players test driving all day, because they aren’t paying anyways.

Oh yeah, if you were the only player that wanted easy content, I wouldn’t be here posting in defense. I have to, because Anet caters to braindead players that need a giant arrow to lead them to the chest, and make players press F for free loot.

Lol, that picture.

Yeah people feel entitled to every bit of content in the game without playing it just because they paid for it and fail to remember its an mmo and it should not work that way, you already see people being but hurt about Nightfury, how dare they make it so hard to get, if people actually wanted Nightfury they would have bough wings and the brew day one before it got expensive but no, I am a crybaby, i come after 3 years and demand to have my free ultra rare item because I paid for the game. This also goes back to people that complained about HoT giving the core game for free, so you have Blizz that ask for ex-pack price plus you need to pay for all other previous ex-packs ( gotten better in the recent years but you still need to pay) but when ANet gives freebies so that more of out friends can come to the game easily old players can only say, but where is my shiny … it may be the friendliest community but lacks on logic a lot.

I am afraid for when raids will come out, because we know how much of a facerooll they will be after 3 days because of “casuals”. To be fair, I think the vast majority of the casual players don’t even look once at the forum or give a review. I don’t see why companies still listen to the the vocal minority that always has something to say about everything, maybe not all games should cater to all people, maybe we can just do without some, I don’t see how I can take a person seriously when they live a 1/10 stars review because they can’t get a hero point on day one.

i didnt pay money to WORK
i paid for a game, that was supposed to be FUN
if they want me to work, THEY have to pay ME
does that compute?

It’s not work to unlock Hero Points. It’s not work to run around experiencing events for the first time, or generally just exploring. It’s not work to unlock Mastery Points from the XP you get doing all these things. These things are called playing. If you want to be a broken record and farm the same single event over and over and then call it a grind, that’s on you. Not the game.

battledrone.8315:

i didnt pay money to WORK
i paid for a game, that was supposed to be FUN
if they want me to work, THEY have to pay ME
does that compute?

No it doesn’t. And your logic was flawed in your last posts as well.

You go to a travel agency and pay for a skiing vacation in Austria. Upon arrival you find that you actually have to pick up and hire your ski’s. You have to actually take the bus to the lift, and actually ski down the mountain in the blistering cold. You should obviously get paid by the travel agency, because its hard work!

Now you’d rather be sitting on a beach, getting hamburgers and kittentails served. You expected the skiing vacation to be alike. So you go to the travel agency forums, and complain that the mountains should be removed, water and heat should be implemented. And hamburgers and kittentails should be served.

All because you are entitled to enjoy the vacation by your standards, and YOUR opinion. Does that compute?

Again, go back to your sandy beach, eat some hamburgers and drink some kittentails.

I never played the silverwastes farm. It wasn’t for me, you can have it. I won’t try to change it. So please don’t change challenging content.

Yes, the jungle needed some desired progression and goals, but gw2 has developed a large amount of players who never cared for world exploration, and a large amount who dont like puzzles.

This means that specializations, the main selling point was bound to annoy a large amount of players.

so, they have to come up with a means of progression that is desirable, yet not required for other types.

anyhow, to get back the old feeling of needing like 20 hero points to unlock your charachter, just dont world complete on your other charachters.

I will give an alternative to those who don’t like:

• exploring a vast world
• challenging content
• puzzles

I present to you: Coockie Clicker

Yes, google it now, and let go of all the challenge!