Guild Wars 2

The system for basic decorations is absolutely ridiculous. I’m no carpenter, but I’m pretty sure chairs are made of wood, not crystalline ore. But here, a basic wooden chair, that can’t even be sat upon all that well, costs money and RNG material. Not to mention, there are no beds, wardrobes, or any of several other necessary items for proper furnishing. I had visions of being able to make enough furniture to at least make an ugly little furnished room after a few weeks, and somehow I thought that was reasonable to expect. This, though, this needs to change.

Yeah I laughed pretty hard when I heard the material requirements for a kittening chair. The least we could get is an actual animation for sitting in them right? But with a small guild like mine I can’t even claim the kitten hall in the first place >:(

I do agree that the scribing system is somewhat out of whack. I have been a crafter in many games, including Star Wars Galaxies which had a pretty good building and decorating aspect. I wasn’t fond of the gameplay itself but, as a crafter at heart, I did love that aspect. With that in mind, I can tell you from experience that any game that allows players to have a guild hall, housing or build things like furniture, never releases that part of the game with tons of content. When SWG was still kicking, there were only three types of chairs, about the same number of tables and a few outfits for each profession. Within a year, this had more than quadroupled. What I am saying is, what we are seeing as far as Guild Hall content is not it. Once the dust settles on all the patches and HoT content fixes, the developers can focus on making content to turn guild halls into guild homes. For all we know, there could already be furniture reciepes out there that are yet to be discovered. Just give it some time, enjoy the game….the content will come

Grabbing the Gilded (Gloomy) Hallow, the first thing I wanted to do is decorate it with lighting. Now I see that even lighting basic decorations are gated. I don’t even know how high a Guild level you have to get before unlocking torches. It’s probably something nuts like lvl 40.

Nice trolling there Dev’s….

I also had this idea that once we completed the proper prerequisites, we would be able to craft decorations relatively inexpensively and apply them liberally. I understand the grinding for the upgrades and restoration. I Really do. But 50s and crystalline ore for a CHAIR? My guild has 23 members, perhaps 10 of which are active. Only a few of us actually take on the costs of the guild, so it takes everything we have and more just to focus on the restoration. What exactly is the problem with allowing us to apply decorations relatively inexpensively once we have earned them? Less time grinding gold, more time decorating and creating. Please don’t do what EQN: Landmark did.

For the record, I love just about everything about HoT, but I find the decoration system to be excessively punishing.

I got to admit that it doesn’t really help when you are going to be needing that same Crystalline Ore, to make Ingots for a new Maguuma Legendary. It’s surely going to put a damper on several players desire to donate them to their Guild, leaving them barren of any sort of decorations. I invested 6 Crystalline Ore to get a table and two chairs, something which cost around 300 Gold to make into their Simple form I might add, but I am already thinking about how that is 6 Crystalline Ingots I could have used towards one of the Maguuma Legendary weapons coming on Tuesday. Plus it cost a lot of Gold for some basic furnishing. I don’t mind so much the upgrade paths taking time and/or Gold, but basic decorations I agree should perhaps be a bit more lenient with their prices.

I would also at least like some basic option for interacting with a chair to have characters sit in them, if they are going to cost around 100 Gold to make, besides the Ore needed for the Ingots, needed for new Legendary weapons.

Guild decorations is like strolling through Ikea and seeing Christopher Guy prices.

How anyone thought that would be a good idea is baffling.

Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. It’s already obscene grinding 250 crystalline ore for a legendary, and having to spend it on WOODEN decorations? What the heck. With enough outcry they change their poor decisions; if people complain they will adjust this as well.

Come on guys.

The expansion hasn’t even been out a month. With Raids dropping, by all account the biggest selling point for many, and so much new content to tweak, patch and fix. Not to mention how obvious this whole expac was rushed out and yet still went live with little issue…and…

Your QQing over the price of chairs….CHAIRS?

This community is laughable at times, you don’t even give Anet a fair chance before griping over semantics..

fireflyry.7023:

Come on guys.

The expansion hasn’t even been out a month. With Raids dropping, by all account the biggest selling point for many, and so much new content to tweak, patch and fix. Not to mention how obvious this whole expac was rushed out and yet still went live with little issue…and…

Your QQing over the price of chairs….CHAIRS?

This is called “feedback”, if nobody complains about bad designs, ANet will never get around to fixing it because they’ll just assume everything is fine and dandy.

[…] semantics..

Apologize to your English teacher.

This system brought to you by the people who believe that four logs turns into one plank of wood. It was never going to make any sense.

In all games with houing which I’ve played we always could hit the auction house and buy a few cheap chairs, tables, beds, lights, wardrobes, vases, books, etc. Almost always for the price of peanuts.

Then we could buy the ornate or glowing or big or racial thematic furniture for a lot of currency, or craft it.

Anet seems undecided whether to treat guild halls as housing or not. On one hand not, with these prices and the gating, and the obscene amount of mats needed to upgrade the GH. On the other we are given chairs and tables.

Funny thing. My guild claimed the Lost Precipice and we immediately roamed around exclaiming in awe at the sheer size of it (it’s no guild hall, I said, it’s a guild city!), and we started quartering right away with people choosing spots they would claim as their ‘home’, or workshops.

Well, other than me saying ‘2k items limit? That’s not a lot. Not when we have 10-20 guildies wanting to turn it into a home on top of the GM wanting to make a pretty GH’ now we realize there is no such danger.

Pandaman.4758:

This is called “feedback”, if nobody complains about bad designs, ANet will never get around to fixing it because they’ll just assume everything is fine and dandy.

I’m not saying you don’t have a valid point. Far from it. I have been an proactive and vocal advocate of gaming forums like this having the sole purpose of being a medium of such complaint and feedback.

I’d never attempt to invalidate that or the relevance of the medium but you have to have perspective given the time-frame.

I can’t see the financial mechanics of chair upgrades in the guild hall being high on the list of Anets last dev meeting. Maybe do what my guild has done and wait until more important matters are attended to, or at the least be slightly more realistic and less dramatic.

To try to belittle when english isnt even my first language makes you look a fool, with little rebuttal.

Semantics.

fireflyry.7023:

Pandaman.4758:

This is called “feedback”, if nobody complains about bad designs, ANet will never get around to fixing it because they’ll just assume everything is fine and dandy.

I’m not saying you don’t have a valid point. Far from it. I have been an proactive and vocal advocate of gaming forums like this having the sole purpose of being a medium of such complaint and feedback.

I’d never attempt to invalidate that or the relevance of the medium but you have to have perspective given the time-frame.

I can’t see the financial mechanics of chair upgrades in the guild hall being high on the list of Anets last dev meeting. Maybe do what my guild has done and wait until more important matters are attended to, or at the least be slightly more realistic and less dramatic.

What’s wrong with voicing criticism early? If we look at ANet’s track record low-priority issues tend to get neglected if they’re not addressed right away, so the idea that we should wait for all the major issues to be fixed before bringing up the smaller issues doesn’t make any sense.

I would rather not wait until the next expansion before they address the cost of basic decoration, and I certainly don’t want them to handle it the same way they did with ascended armor crafting (“Oh, elonian squares are too cheap? Light armor is too expensive? Let’s jack up the crafting cost of insignias to make elonian squares more valuable and make ascended light armor even more expensive than before!”).

To try to belittle when english isnt even my first language makes you look a fool, with little rebuttal.

Semantics.

When people are arguing about semantics, they’re arguing about the definition of a word. That’s clearly not what’s happening here, so it’s a pretty bad misuse of the word; that being said, based on your reply I believe the term you’re looking for is “nitpicking”, because we’re complaining about a relatively minor flaw in comparison to all the other flaws and bugs that need addressing.

Perhaps you should refrain from belittling complaints by describing them as “QQing” or referring to the community as “laughable” if you don’t like it?

Pandaman.4758:

What’s wrong with voicing criticism early?

Nothing…but the price of chairs…really? Given it’s not yet a month after release? It just seems a no-brainer that such critique is wasted at this point in time unless you just enjoy QQ for the sake of it. Seems like it would have vastly more relevance and import to be raised at a later date when the devs actually give a hoot about minority issue.

Pandaman.4758:

When people are arguing about semantics, they’re arguing about the definition of a word. That’s clearly not what’s happening here, so it’s a pretty bad misuse of the word; that being said, based on your reply I believe the term you’re looking for is “nitpicking”, because we’re complaining about a relatively minor flaw in comparison to all the other flaws and bugs that need addressing.

Perhaps you should refrain from belittling complaints by describing them as “QQing” or referring to the community as “laughable” if you don’t like it?

Yeah your a dosh looking to one-up off-tangent.Have fun with being a grammar enforcer.

Good day sir.

fireflyry.7023:

Pandaman.4758:

What’s wrong with voicing criticism early?

Nothing…but the price of chairs…really? Given it’s not yet a month after release? It just seems a no-brainer that such critique is wasted at this point in time unless you just enjoy QQ for the sake of it. Seems like it would have vastly more relevance and import to be raised at a later date when the devs actually give a hoot about minority issue.

To reiterate:

“What’s wrong with voicing criticism early? If we look at ANet’s track record low-priority issues tend to get neglected if they’re not addressed right away, so the idea that we should wait for all the major issues to be fixed before bringing up the smaller issues doesn’t make any sense.”

fireflyry.7023:

Yeah your a dosh looking to one-up off-tangent.Have fun with being a grammar enforcer.

You used the wrong word, now you’re getting defensive about it. You belittle people making complaints, yet get defensive when belittled in turn.

Good job looking the fool and the hypocrite.

As a parting gift: that’s “you’re”. Go apologize to your English teacher.

fireflyry.7023:

Come on guys.

The expansion hasn’t even been out a month. With Raids dropping, by all account the biggest selling point for many, and so much new content to tweak, patch and fix. Not to mention how obvious this whole expac was rushed out and yet still went live with little issue…and…

Your QQing over the price of chairs….CHAIRS?

This community is laughable at times, you don’t even give Anet a fair chance before griping over semantics..

You’re probably not going to want to hear this but you could have chosen to ignore this thread because guild decorations don’t matter to you, instead you chose to attack people who are in the same boat as you, fellow players. It’s counterproductive at the very least. Your ingame concerns are not the same and that is fine, I have my own issues with the guild hall. Calling it “griping over semantics” is …wrong on a few different levels.

fireflyry.7023:

Come on guys.

The expansion hasn’t even been out a month. With Raids dropping, by all account the biggest selling point for many, and so much new content to tweak, patch and fix. Not to mention how obvious this whole expac was rushed out and yet still went live with little issue…and…

Your QQing over the price of chairs….CHAIRS?

This community is laughable at times, you don’t even give Anet a fair chance before griping over semantics..

Totally qqing over the price of chairs.

The fun of decoration systems isn’t the fun of placing one chair. it’s the fun of placing several chairs, tables, etc. in various configurations. The way the system works right now the costs for just the basic decorations (never mind the scribing and time costs to promote them to nicer variants) is simply too high to achieve its intended function: decorating the guild hall.

Some stuff should be expensive. Fountains, giant fire pits, big gnarly centerpieces, full size huts, etc.

But when just building one decent chair with arms on it costs literally 20g worth of resources, yeah, that’s a little pricey.

The decoration systems are cool. The problem is we can’t actually use them at even a basic level, especially given the scale of the spaces we have to decorate.

It’s too bad they didn’t use the guild hall space for people and their guildies to just go wild in as a sandbox. They completely missed the point about what people wanted out of this system.

I don’t know what the problem is, guys, I’m having a ton of fun making jump puzzles out of pumpkins! They’re by far the cheapest decoration, so why not just make everything out of pumpkins?!

No but seriously. Our scribe can’t make much in the way of decorations yet, we can only buy basic chairs, tables, baskets, crates, and bare shelves…this sucks. When do you unlock the good stuff, and how expensive is it? I’m eager to replace our pumpkin shrines, pumpkin dinner tables, and other pumpkin fixtures with actual furniture.