Guild Wars 2

For the love of all things please nerf these group based Hero Points..

I am so sick and tired of waiting to do certain Hero Points because pretty much everyone who has HoT has done them and has no interest in doing anything anymore besides farming the HoT maps meta events..

I’ve long been of the mind that Hero points should always be soloable anyway but I understand the desire to involve more group play when HoT was launched and it was fine back then..

But that’s not the case anymore.. now these Hero points are nothing but an annoyance for both new and older players who are taking alts through the HoT maps..

GW2 is often praised as a game where there is no waiting around for groups to complete content.. but content like these group based Hero Points make that statement untrue..

Sometimes I’m waiting hours or even days to find other people wanting to complete certain Hero Points.. frankly it’s ridiculous..

Please make these Hero Points far easier for people to complete solo.. it really would be a big help to the game for everyone taking alts through HoT.. and new players alike..

Hero Points have no reason to be group based anymore and all they really serve as is a hindrance to players wanting to get their map completion over and done with asap so they can start playing the actual map content with everyone else.

Same… I hate that dlc isnt friendly for solo players

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

I do agree. I am a casual player and often like to play solo for 60 min tops.
After many months I finally managed to unlock the “elite” class on 2 of my characters, but am sick and tired of the same challenges and running blobs in WvW to unlock them for all my classes.

These “elite” classes are an essential part of the game and a must for pvp….It’s just rediculous that we need to farm the hero points over and over again.

Personally I think this should be an account wide achievement which should only be done once to unlock all elite classes…like materies!

Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

Yes I do use the LFG and I do use it every time I need help with a HP..

The problem is like I said.. most people have already done the HP’s and more often than not it can take a long time before someone else who needs it comes along.. this is especially more common when the map’s Meta phases start while you are waiting..

if the Meta events start while you are waiting for help then you can almost guarantee you’ll have to wait until the event ends before anyone will join you..
and that can take a very long time.. specially in Auric Basin thanks to the Map being taken over by people map hopping for extra loot..

As for HP trains.. I honestly haven’t seen one of them in months..

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Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

Yes I do use the LFG and I do use it every time I need help with a HP..

The problem is like I said.. most people have already done the HP’s and more often than not it can take a long time before someone else who needs it comes along.. this is especially more common when the map’s Meta phases start while you are waiting..

if the Meta events start while you are waiting for help then you can almost guarantee you’ll have to wait until the event ends before anyone will join you..
and that can take a very long time.. specially in Auric Basin thanks to the Map being taken over by people map hopping for extra loot..

As for HP trains.. I honestly haven’t seen one of them in months..

there was an AB HP train earlier today, right after the meta finished

HP trains run pretty regularly in HoT maps, I saw one just last week running through VB…..

On topic, I don’t think they need nerfing, but ideally some would be made easier to get to (or the path to them should be made more obvious. Ahem tangled depths). Whenever I ask for help I always get 1 of three answers

1 – Not interested for whatever reason.

2 – Want to help and know how to get there.

3 – Want to help but have no idea how to get there. And since I still get lost in these maps as well I can’t usually tell people how to get to the HP with me.

That is the only thing that I think should be changed. I almost always find someone willing to help, but whether they know how to get there is a different matter entirely, especially in TD (and btw its way too much work to get to the canopy in VB without advanced gliding during the daytime. Could you please add a few more routes to the HPs up there? Or at least make the existing ones much more obvious?)

If it’s to unlock your elite spec, there’s plenty of solo/duo-able ones.
If it’s to map complete HoT and you are really struggling to find others and you only need a few more, do WvW to pass the time and spend Heroics to unlock them.

I help with doing HP’s all the time even if I have done them already. Why? Because I get xp and other things for helping. It’s all part of that cooperative thing that ANet likes to promote.

I don’t understand why you can’t solo. i can solo them all

Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Guano

It’s hard enough just getting there, but then you have to fight a group of vampire beasts. I have seen a zerg try and nearly fail.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Balthazar's_Statue

The actual point is a commune but the champion can again destroy whole zergs by simply pouring on AOE fire.

Funny someone mentioning elites and PvP modes, sPvP unlocks everything by default, WvW has Poorfs of Heroics so you don’t even ever need to step on the Heart of Maguuma maps to unlock the Hero Points.

Serious.7083:

Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Guano

It’s hard enough just getting there, but then you have to fight a group of vampire beasts. I have seen a zerg try and nearly fail.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Balthazar's_Statue

The actual point is a commune but the champion can again destroy whole zergs by simply pouring on AOE fire.

For guano, just announce you need help for it towards the end of the night time. The reason people struggle is that they don’t realize they need to avoid getting hit when they have the lifesteal debuff. Once you tell them that, it’s quite painless.

For Balthazzar, go 20-30mins before the Octovine starts. Usually someone else is doing, or has done it, so you just need to commune.

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…has no interest in doing anything anymore besides farming the HoT maps meta events…

But that’s not the case anymore.. now these Hero points are nothing but an annoyance for both new and older players who are taking alts through the HoT maps…

These seem to be your own problems. Your idea that people who have HoT HPs no longer want them is entirely mislead. They reward a significant amount of map currency daily, so players can do HP trains even after unlocking all 40 HoT HPs.

There’s also 40 HoT HPs, and you only need 25 of them. Also if you actually use your alts, and get HPs on normal Tyrian maps, you don’t have to get 25 in HoT maps. Map completion is well-rewarded with materials and BLC keys. Oh, and it’s 100% solo-able.

Don’t lump in “old players” with yourself. I have all 9 elite specs and have had them since shortly after HoT launched, and I’m still happy to help with them. A new class takes ~1-2 hours to earn the elite spec. Just based on Dulfy’s guide there are a total of 19 solo-able HPs in HoT (7 VB, 4 AB, 5 TD, 3 DS). 4 More in DS are easy to get if you do the meta even once. Choose 2 others. The three others in VB other than guano are easy with 1-2 people. AB has several near WPs. TD has some easy ones (guano, zintl camp, and troll).

I’ve never had a problem getting help with HPs – HP trains still run to this day. Check LFG for an HP train. If you want help with a specific one, say so in chat (not while the meta is running). Go to AB, and in map chat say: “Help with mushroom king plz”, “Help with quetzal HP plz”… Go to VB and say “Help with golem HP plz”. Seriously…never fails to get 1-2 people and you only need 1-2 people. Make a friend. Get a guild mate. Link the waypoints in chat. It’s really not that hard.

Literally, right this second in LFG:

• Open World -> Verdant Brink -> “HP run, no wp needed” 8/50
• AB: “Ori node hp” 3/10
• AB: “Notice to trespassers and egg clutch hp” 2/10
• AB: “Balthazar’s Temple” 1/10 (If combined with the above two…you basically have an AB HP train…if only they would group up…….)

TD is in meta right now, so no HP adverts to be expected. DS has over 80 in the three squads being advertised so it should be a successful meta.

boomersooner.4612:

I don’t understand why you can’t solo. i can solo them all

I can solo most of them with ranged builds..
But not all my characters use Range builds and for the most part HoT is a nightmare for melee characters thanks to CC and charge spamming mobs and all the AoE some enemies like Chak and Mushrooms like to spew out..

it’s very easy to get locked down as a Melee character and find yourself in many situations where you can’t do any damage at all without suiciding yourself..

There are many enemies I actively avoid on melee characters such as Veteran Chak, Mushrooms, Chargers, Stoneheads, Bombers etc

zxstanyxz.8769:

there was an AB HP train earlier today, right after the meta finished

NA or EU?

I spent a lot of time on Auric yesterday and saw no train

Haleydawn.3764:

If it’s to unlock your elite spec, there’s plenty of solo/duo-able ones.
If it’s to map complete HoT and you are really struggling to find others and you only need a few more, do WvW to pass the time and spend Heroics to unlock them.

It’s for map completion.. I don’t play WvW can’t stand that game mode

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Haleydawn.3764:

If it’s to unlock your elite spec, there’s plenty of solo/duo-able ones.
If it’s to map complete HoT and you are really struggling to find others and you only need a few more, do WvW to pass the time and spend Heroics to unlock them.

It’s for map completion.. I don’t play WvW can’t stand that game mode

If it is for map completion then the only reason to do it is to get some shinies from completion and the ability to craft the new legendaries that where released. Since you don’t WvW you will not finish the new legendaries anyway. Not seeing anything but a player created roadblock. Also if you can’t do it one day do it the next or next since you will eventually get it stop fixating and just play the game.

rhunex.1357:

These seem to be your own problems. Your idea that people who have HoT HPs no longer want them is entirely mislead. They reward a significant amount of map currency daily, so players can do HP trains even after unlocking all 40 HoT HPs.

Like I said.. I don’t see that when I play.. nothing in map chat or LFG.. matter of fact when I’ve been playing HoT lately the map chat is practically dead despite players running around and the LFG rarely has anything besides the Meta or events in it

rhunex.1357:

There’s also 40 HoT HPs, and you only need 25 of them. Also if you actually use your alts, and get HPs on normal Tyrian maps, you don’t have to get 25 in HoT maps. Map completion is well-rewarded with materials and BLC keys. Oh, and it’s 100% solo-able.

Map completion involves completing maps.. hence the name.. I complete the HoT maps for the rewards not world completion.

rhunex.1357:

Don’t lump in “old players” with yourself. I have all 9 elite specs and have had them since shortly after HoT launched, and I’m still happy to help with them. A new class takes ~1-2 hours to earn the elite spec. Just based on Dulfy’s guide there are a total of 19 solo-able HPs in HoT (7 VB, 4 AB, 5 TD, 3 DS). 4 More in DS are easy to get if you do the meta even once. Choose 2 others. The three others in VB other than guano are easy with 1-2 people. AB has several near WPs. TD has some easy ones (guano, zintl camp, and troll).

With myself?.. Fyi I’ve been playing this game since early beta.. that’s Vanilla game beta not HoT beta.. and I’ve 11 years history with Gw1 as well which I still play on occasion..
I’m just as much an ‘old player’ as any experienced Guildwars veterans.
I have all the elite specs as well though that’s an irrelevant point and I don’t know why you made it.
Like I said i’m not completing HP’s for elite specs.. I’m doing it for HoT map completion because I want to have all my characters.. all 15 of them with all of the PvE maps completed and fully explored eventually.. that’s why I do it and what I mostly enjoy about PvE.

rhunex.1357:

I’ve never had a problem getting help with HPs – HP trains still run to this day. Check LFG for an HP train. If you want help with a specific one, say so in chat (not while the meta is running). Go to AB, and in map chat say: “Help with mushroom king plz”, “Help with quetzal HP plz”… Go to VB and say “Help with golem HP plz”. Seriously…never fails to get 1-2 people and you only need 1-2 people. Make a friend. Get a guild mate. Link the waypoints in chat. It’s really not that hard.

I check the LFG all the time and rarely ever see people asking for help with HP anymore.
Usually the only time I see that Is when I put a LFG up myself and usually I have to wait a good while before people join.. or someone merges my LFG with theirs even though we are not even doing the same content or even playing on the same map either.. hell sometimes they are not even playing on the HoT maps.. and that happened to me yesterday in fact.

rhunex.1357:

Literally, right this second in LFG:

• Open World -> Verdant Brink -> “HP run, no wp needed” 8/50
• AB: “Ori node hp” 3/10
• AB: “Notice to trespassers and egg clutch hp” 2/10
• AB: “Balthazar’s Temple” 1/10 (If combined with the above two…you basically have an AB HP train…if only they would group up…….)

TD is in meta right now, so no HP adverts to be expected. DS has over 80 in the three squads being advertised so it should be a successful meta.

I assume you’re playing on NA servers which is why you are having a totally different experience than I am

Yargesh.4965:

If it is for map completion then the only reason to do it is to get some shinies from completion and the ability to craft the new legendaries that where released. Since you don’t WvW you will not finish the new legendaries anyway. Not seeing anything but a player created roadblock. Also if you can’t do it one day do it the next or next since you will eventually get it stop fixating and just play the game.

I don’t care about the Legendary weapons or armor anyway.. don’t want them nor do I see the point in wasting all that time, gold and mats on them.. No skin is worth that kind of investment to me and considering how common they are they have no value or prestige to me at all anymore.. tbh I regret wasting all the time and mats to get the Legend I do have…
I only go as far as getting the Precursors anymore.. just for the skins and partly for the small quest element which is really the only thing Gw2 has that imitates a traditional questing system..

It’s no player created roadblock its a design roadblock.. Nobody should have to have their personal player progress hindered by group forced content.. which is exactly why Arah’s story mode got redesigned to be a Soloable instance a long time back and why me and a lot of other people agree on all of the dungeon story modes should also be soloable instances as well since they tie in with the main games personal story.

These group forced HP’s are no different.. they block player progress with no reason to do so..

People keep talking about HP trains and players who still do Hp’s for the rewards.. and yet what I am proposing doesn’t even effect those players..
they can still do their trains and get their rewards.. the only thing that changes is the necessity for waiting around for other people so that you can complete content that is preventing you from getting your personal map completion reward..

Players should not have to rely on other players to complete such a simple personal goal.. hell going back a few years one of the biggest complaints I remember was how people needed to complete the WvW maps for world completion which is the exact same problem of being forced to rely on others to complete something you should be capable of doing alone.. and that was also something the developers changed in time

robertjan.2197:

I do agree. I am a casual player and often like to play solo for 60 min tops.
After many months I finally managed to unlock the “elite” class on 2 of my characters, but am sick and tired of the same challenges and running blobs in WvW to unlock them for all my classes.

These “elite” classes are an essential part of the game and a must for pvp….It’s just rediculous that we need to farm the hero points over and over again.

Personally I think this should be an account wide achievement which should only be done once to unlock all elite classes…like materies!

LOL you kittening serious? It takes me 2-3 hours to fully develop elite spec. Use LFG, takes usually 5 min to get some people or ask some friends. It’s really no big deal.

robertjan.2197:

After many months I finally managed to unlock the “elite” class on 2 of my characters, but am sick and tired of the same challenges and running blobs in WvW to unlock them for all my classes.

If your goal is just to unlock elite specs, you don’t need any of the hard HoT HPs. You can get 200 from Central Tyria (really easy ones) and there are more than 5 “go and take it” ones in HoT to get the other 50 HPs. But it seems a lot of people think that Central Tyria HPs are just for decoration.

Derdhal.6908:

But it seems a lot of people think that Central Tyria HPs are just for decoration.

Lol on that ..quite true

Teratus.2859:

Players should not have to rely on other players to complete such a simple personal goal..

Thats not a simple personal goal. Its an MMO, you are meant to work together in the field. Getting to 80, crafting an exotic weapon, finding Lions Arch, thats simple goals. Taking on champion group event mobs is not supposed to be that. Its a group even for a reason.

With your argument, I could say that the Dragons Stand meta should be soloable. Its a simple goal to me. I dont want to play PvE, I only play WvW. Why isnt Dragons Stand soloable in 5 minutes?

The use of champions at these hero challenges is uncalled for. And so is having combat challenges surrounded by veteran mobs. Specific sins I’ve run into so far: frogs/wasps in Verdant Brink, guano spider nest in TD, and the troll champ in TD. I managed to solo spider on my thief, but in either of the Tangled Depths points, I spend just as much time fighting off veteran spawns as I do attacking the champ. But all of them, since they’re not tuned to single player approaches at all, are aggravating HP sponges with too-large Defiance bars.
Dealing with these bad decisions is what makes me log off early, and Tangled Depths overall does this to me more than any other zone.

My best advice to balance without over-nerfing would be to shift them to Elites at the most, or include champ scaling that goes down to 1 player.

There are HOT hero points that are commune-only or close too it: see Dulfy for a list. Even after getting a HP people still do it for the XP. They also may be running them for one of their alts.

The only time I have called out in mapchat to do a specific HP and several people did not arrive ASAP they were either all at another one (waypoint there and get that one if you need it) or were all doing the meta (wait or just hop maps).

I play solo and have had no trouble getting people for HoT Hero points on two recent characters and working on a few more currently. Often as I’m clearing the maps I’ll just find people already at those points and we do them together, or people ask for help in map chat so I go join them. Otherwise, I will ask in map chat myself when I get to the point, or I’ll just join a Hero Point train which are often advertised in both LFG and map chats. Either way, there are numerous easy ways to get help for these. I haven’t had any trouble with it. Personally I like that they’re a group activity.

I have levelled 5 classes to full elite spekittenerally two weeks ago. I had zero problems finding people to help with hero points. Just a quick question in map chat was usually enough to get 2-3 players to help me out. Its an MMO, try to be social. You’d be surprised how helpful people are.

I wish this, too. I still have 5 characters that need that mushroom queen or whatever it is HP in Tangled Depths.

I’ve spent hours using the LFG, map chat, and even random whispers to get help for it since I can’t seem to solo it on all my classes, but no one ever comes by or agrees to help with it. I feel like most of the time, even after taxiing, that I’m more or less alone in the maps. I’ve also tried at all different times of the day and all the days of the week. Nothing helps.

I think hard stuff on high-level maps is appropriate. Grouping to do hard stuff is what MMOs are all about.

I say that as a primarily solo-PvE player for 4 years.

Celtic Lady.3729:

I wish this, too. I still have 5 characters that need that mushroom queen or whatever it is HP in Tangled Depths.

I’ve spent hours using the LFG, map chat, and even random whispers to get help for it since I can’t seem to solo it on all my classes, but no one ever comes by or agrees to help with it. I feel like most of the time, even after taxiing, that I’m more or less alone in the maps. I’ve also tried at all different times of the day and all the days of the week. Nothing helps.

You don’t need every HP to get enough to complete your Specialization, though. There’s a lot of HP’s I don’t have. You’d only need that particular one if you were going for map completion. And even then if you need the map completion for Specialization Weapon Collections, the first two maps are easier for that anyway.

Leiloni.7951:

Celtic Lady.3729:

I wish this, too. I still have 5 characters that need that mushroom queen or whatever it is HP in Tangled Depths.

I’ve spent hours using the LFG, map chat, and even random whispers to get help for it since I can’t seem to solo it on all my classes, but no one ever comes by or agrees to help with it. I feel like most of the time, even after taxiing, that I’m more or less alone in the maps. I’ve also tried at all different times of the day and all the days of the week. Nothing helps.

You don’t need every HP to get enough to complete your Specialization, though. There’s a lot of HP’s I don’t have. You’d only need that particular one if you were going for map completion. And even then if you need the map completion for Specialization Weapon Collections, the first two maps are easier for that anyway.

I like to get map completions on all the maps. It’s my playstyle. So, I need all the HPs to accomplish this. It’s just that I can’t get this done this far out from the region’s launch.

I agree that they should be nerfed at this point, and that in future content, ANet needs to plan in for every “necessary” event to be soloable at some point, so that when the time comes (and it will), they can just flip a switch and make it soloable.

and the “why don’t you ask in chat or LFG” thing may work, but it often won’t, because chances are very good that nobody will want to do it, or at least nobody is paying attention to that concept when you want to do it. For that to work, it’d need to be something stronger than the existing LFG, where you could actually post an LFG that would last for days or weeks, and people would stumble onto it and be like “yeah, I do need that one,” rather than hoping they’re looking at the same time you are.

Until Anet fixes it though, anyone in this situation I would recommend you instead look for “map clearing” or “HP clearing” parties, which may involve a lot of redundant points for you, but are usually pretty fun, and will get you the ones you need. There’s usually at least a few of these running each week.

ikr? how dare devs expect us to play with other people in an online multiplayer game in order to tackle content? like wow what were they thinking. They should also nerf fractals cause I can’t solo those

My warrior that I rarely ever play anymore is sitting on 364 spare hero points. I actually think devs made too quick of a decision on reducing the elite spec requirements. I actually find it mind boggling people are still finding it hard to get the hero points they need.

If this is a map competition related, consider https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Notarized_Scroll_of_Maguuma_Heroics

If you don’t want to do wvw or group up in a mmorpg, sorry. We can’t help people who are unwilling to move their own feet.

If there’s nothing in LFG, post your own party. Start your own group in map chat. People play very passively and will follow someone who actively recruits. I often see someone ask
“is anyone doing x HP?”
and then people suddenly respond
“invite me”
Gotta be a bit more proactive imho.

Plus you also have to accept that right now the new map dropped. People are there, not doing your missing HP. May have to wait a few days.
In the meantime you could always join a guild and ask for help, more likely to get my attention if you’re a guildie that wants something rather than some random asking badly in map chat.

Archeia.8905:

ikr? how dare devs expect us to play with other people in an online multiplayer game in order to tackle content? like wow what were they thinking. They should also nerf fractals cause I can’t solo those

Just. . . never use this argument. There’s no point to it, but it comes up constantly in multiplayer game discussions. If people want to play with other players, and other players are available to do so, then that’s what they’ll do. If they’re expressing a desire to be able to solo something, then it’s because either they have their reasons for not wanting to team up, or they are finding the logistics of teaming up challenging. They have a legitimate issue, and deserve a legitimate hearing. Trivializing their concerns does not benefit anyone.

KickzNGigglez.4958:

My warrior that I rarely ever play anymore is sitting on 364 spare hero points. I actually think devs made too quick of a decision on reducing the elite spec requirements. I actually find it mind boggling people are still finding it hard to get the hero points they need.

Did you get World Completion on that character before HoT? That can make a huge difference, whereas players that just want to complete their new character just wants to be able to clear the HoT HPs and get moving.

Dawdler.8521:

Teratus.2859:

Players should not have to rely on other players to complete such a simple personal goal..

Thats not a simple personal goal. Its an MMO, you are meant to work together in the field. Getting to 80, crafting an exotic weapon, finding Lions Arch, thats simple goals. Taking on champion group event mobs is not supposed to be that. Its a group even for a reason.

Map completion is a personal goal, and everywhere else in the game it is something you can do solo.

keenedge.9675:

I think hard stuff on high-level maps is appropriate. Grouping to do hard stuff is what MMOs are all about.

That’s what the meta events are there for.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Dawdler.8521:

Teratus.2859:

Players should not have to rely on other players to complete such a simple personal goal..

Thats not a simple personal goal. Its an MMO, you are meant to work together in the field. Getting to 80, crafting an exotic weapon, finding Lions Arch, thats simple goals. Taking on champion group event mobs is not supposed to be that. Its a group even for a reason.

Map completion is a personal goal, and everywhere else in the game it is something you can do solo.

keenedge.9675:

I think hard stuff on high-level maps is appropriate. Grouping to do hard stuff is what MMOs are all about.

That’s what the meta events are there for.

This player gets it.

GW2 already had a mechanism for fulfilling an MMO’s purpose, perhaps better than most of it genre. It didn’t need champion hero points, because map metas exist.

Not to say it shouldn’t push players to be better, but meatwall-HP mobs designed for 5+ players isn’t the way to go. Either have suitable complexity (which, let’s face it, for ANet just means stun/KD on every mob’s autoattack…) or scale appropriately for any party size, including one player.

Rauderi.8706:

meatwall-HP mobs designed for 5+ players isn’t the way to go. Either have suitable complexity (which, let’s face it, for ANet just means stun/KD on every mob’s autoattack…) or scale appropriately for any party size, including one player.

Not sure what you’re referring to here. Looking at dulfy and the description of the VB Hero Points, she says:-

There are 11 Hero points in Verdant Brink.
Seven hero points are soloable
Five hero points require 2 players or more.

1. is listed twice but is soloable.

Soloable and two player mobs aren’t “meatwall HP mobs designed for 5+ players”

And open world can’t scale “appropriately” so for some encounters it’s a case of it is what it is. If you can’t solo it, get someone to help or improve your build/playstyle. Sometimes it’s just a case of popping some food/utility item and a summonable pet.

Serious.7083:

Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Guano

It’s hard enough just getting there, but then you have to fight a group of vampire beasts. I have seen a zerg try and nearly fail.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Balthazar's_Statue

The actual point is a commune but the champion can again destroy whole zergs by simply pouring on AOE fire.

Guano one is horrificaly placed due to the small window of time and I honestly thought that is the worst thing about the HOT maps.

The other one has a pretty bad fight, but as long as someone has stealth, everyone can just commune and leave without fighting,.

ArchonWing.9480:

Serious.7083:

Fancypants.9705:

HP’s don’t need a nerf… have you ever posted in LFG or just asked in map chat if someone needs a certain HP? I have never had to wait hours… or certainly not days to complete a HP. If you are, you are simply not trying to find a group. Also a lot of areas have HP trains that you can join.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Guano

It’s hard enough just getting there, but then you have to fight a group of vampire beasts. I have seen a zerg try and nearly fail.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Balthazar's_Statue

The actual point is a commune but the champion can again destroy whole zergs by simply pouring on AOE fire.

Guano one is horrificaly placed due to the small window of time and I honestly thought that is the worst thing about the HOT maps.

The other one has a pretty bad fight, but as long as someone has stealth, everyone can just commune and leave without fighting,.

Actually guano is easy to get to, direct from the pact wp, up-draft then in through the caves. Next it can be solo’d and is easy with 2 as long as you move and use cc to break its bar you are very good to go.

KickzNGigglez.4958:

My warrior that I rarely ever play anymore is sitting on 364 spare hero points. I actually think devs made too quick of a decision on reducing the elite spec requirements. I actually find it mind boggling people are still finding it hard to get the hero points they need.

If this is a map competition related, consider https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Notarized_Scroll_of_Maguuma_Heroics

If you don’t want to do wvw or group up in a mmorpg, sorry. We can’t help people who are unwilling to move their own feet.

While I tend to agree that Anet overnerfed the required HP needed to fully unlock your elite spec, getting the HP is about map completion as well. If you want the HoT legendaries you will need map completion in HoT maps. I know that OP specifically talked about needing HP, but that isn’t the only reason to go and do the harder ones.

Back on topic though. You only need about 8-10 of the HoT hero point events completed to max out your elite spec if you do map completion on central tyria. yes, it takes far longer, but honestly if you are having trouble and getting frustrated with trying to find a group in HoT maps you will have more fun just going out and soloing the easy ones in central tyria

HP runs, occur many on maps where there is occurring meta-events, the “big trick” is not to avoid these maps thinking that “people only want to do the meta”, but go to them and ask for help.

Just post a AB train on the lfg. People will be swarming in to join.

Here’s a guide to solo-friendly HPs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3td33y/a_soloable_hp_guide_for_getting_all_your_specs/

You can only solo 21/25 needed, but I had around 100 points on my characters already, as many others would, I guess.

HP Trains are always going on after the Meta Map…So the best time to go on one is after Meta is done, that’s normally when a train starts…and a lot of ppl normally help out or go on their Alts to help out, just don’t do it while a Meta is being work on, join the Meta help them with the Meta and they’ll help you…well that’s my experience with the HP…Nothing is more annoying then ppl spamming and whinning for HP help when you’re in the middle of doing Pat and Mat. Either wait till it’s over for the help or stop spamming map chat. I normally help folks after the Meta but not during it. So you might as well just join the Meta since it will be a Win win situation for you, especially in Auric Basin, since most Mesmers will port you to locations for your HP.

Dawdler.8521:

Thats not a simple personal goal. Its an MMO, you are meant to work together in the field. Getting to 80, crafting an exotic weapon, finding Lions Arch, thats simple goals. Taking on champion group event mobs is not supposed to be that. Its a group even for a reason.

With your argument, I could say that the Dragons Stand meta should be soloable. Its a simple goal to me. I dont want to play PvE, I only play WvW. Why isnt Dragons Stand soloable in 5 minutes?

And yet virtually every Hero Point in the vanilla game has been a solo challenge and designed to be beaten alone..
Hero Points are personal goals that benefit you and only you.. not group goals that benefit everyone..

By your logic it’s perfectly acceptable to make story instances as difficult and challenging as dungeons then right?
cause it’s a MMO after all…

Gw2 was always designed to be a tradition breaking MMO focusing heavily on not hindering players who prefer or have little option but to play alone..
don’t forget that.

Archeia.8905:

ikr? how dare devs expect us to play with other people in an online multiplayer game in order to tackle content? like wow what were they thinking. They should also nerf fractals cause I can’t solo those

You can’t?

I can.. my fractal character can solo almost any fractal up until the level 60’s and some specific ones after 60
besides the obvious ones like Swamp and Underground that require multiple people for mechanical reasons..

a lot of Fractals are easy to solo though even in T3.. just time consuming lol

If only all the classes could be as unstoppable as my Fractal character though..
It’s one of the only characters I ran though the HoT maps with no issues soloing group events and stuff.. love that character ^^

boomersooner.4612:

I don’t understand why you can’t solo. i can solo them all

Depends entirely on the class, build and mechanics of the character i’m using..

I’ve a couple of characters that can solo virtually anything and then others that are just not as capable for it..

HoT is a lot easier to solo for certain classes and playstyles and a lot harder for others..
suffice to say taking different classes and builds through the same content has different results..