Guild Wars 2

Hi,

will HoT be available in the ingame Gem store in the future?

I think this would convince a few players to buy it with Gems rather then paying the game only with a credit card online.

I hope this can be arranged in the near future
(Like ie. the Digital Deluxe Edition is also available ingame)

Very unlikely since that would basically allow people to get it for free.

lordkrall.7241:

Very unlikely since that would basically allow people to get it for free.

In what way? If the system is to be believed, any gems bought with gold are ones that were initially generated with actual money.

Buying 800 gems for ~170G still means Anet got their $10, even if it was from someone else.

A price tag of 4000 gems = Someone having paid Anet $50 for that particular key.

Preventing this system is simply a means to generate income in a smaller window rather than people obtaining it with money that they may have received months ago.

I am aware that the gems will have to be bought in order to be traded for gold. That doesn’t really change my point though.

Player X buy a bunch of gems and trade them for gold. Player X have now spent real money on said gems.

Player Y decides to get gems with the gold he/she/it earned in-game. Player Y now have Z amount of gems without spending a single $ on it.

Player Y can now buy the expansion the the gem store without paying any real money, ergo get it for free.

lordkrall.7241:

Player Y can now buy the expansion the the gem store without paying any real money, ergo get it for free.

They may have but Anet still earned $50 for that key generation. Who paid for it is of no concern to a company and is a completely asinine thing to care about. It also flies in the face of the whole point of gems as their primary source of income as a company.

If they didn’t want this from happening specifically, they would have made it impossible to buy the code as a gift for someone.

As I’m to understand, there is nothing preventing me from emailing the code to someone else who did not explicitly pay for it.

This is all likely a way for them to get a large injection of cash spent in a couple of months rather than people buying it with gems and getting it with money that they may have received (and thus spent) months ago. It would also cause a massive spike in gem prices as the stores in Anet’s possession rapidly dropped.

It’s not some optional thing like a hat that only a portion of people will buy. Virtually anyone with the gold to buy the 4000gems probably would. At ~800-900g currently, that’s an awful lot of people.

Even if someone couldn’t buy them all with gold they would likely buy as much as they could and cash purchase the rest.

I don’t think it matters to Anet how it gets paid for, just as long as it’s paid for. The reasoning that ‘player Y gets it for free’ just sounds like elitism. I had to pay, so should everyone else because … reasons.

The selfish reason I don’t want to see this is because it would completely inflate gem prices for the long term, and I buy gems with gold, so no thanks,

I have never even implied that ArenaNet wouldn’t get the money. I am simply pointing out that the PLAYERS would be able to get something FOR FREE while others have had to PAY for the same thing.

lordkrall.7241:

I have never even implied that ArenaNet wouldn’t get the money. I am simply pointing out that the PLAYERS would be able to get something FOR FREE while others have had to PAY for the same thing.

In the way that gems have always worked for literally everything they are used for.

As I pointed out, the reason is likely completely removed from preventing some from “getting it for free”.

So we are comparing a finisher or an outfit to a full expansion now?

They are digital products sold for a dollar price. Hell, they are both optional, at least for existing accounts.

The scale is the only defining factor that sets them apart.

They are just code and assets. One has more and thus has a higher price. It also is going to be used to generate sales figures and interest in another xpack. Having nice, easy to assemble figures of “we made $X in 4 months from HoT” is going to make their lives a lot easier than trying to figure out how much of it was purchased with cash that was already spent to pay the team making it.

lordkrall.7241:

I am aware that the gems will have to be bought in order to be traded for gold. That doesn’t really change my point though.

Player X buy a bunch of gems and trade them for gold. Player X have now spent real money on said gems.

Player Y decides to get gems with the gold he/she/it earned in-game. Player Y now have Z amount of gems without spending a single $ on it.

Player Y can now buy the expansion the the gem store without paying any real money, ergo get it for free.

Player X worked maybe 5 hours to earn 50 bucks to buy Hot? Player Y may have put in 20 or more hours to get the gold to do the same.

Time is money so your thinking is wrong. That is how some people can justify buying gems with real money to trade for gold and then buy on the TP.

There are ways to get gems for free you know: For example through contests (sponsered by Arenanet) or through achievement chests.

Diovid.9506:

There are ways to get gems for free you know: For example through contests (sponsered by Arenanet) or through achievement chests.

True, but they represent a very, very small minority of the gems in the system.

No one has anywhere near enough AP to be able to buy the xpac through achievement gems alone. You would need 50,000AP to earn 4000 gems.

I don’t know the average rate of occurrence or payout of GW2 contests, but I’d wager it’s not very often.

For all intents and purposes, one can treat the overwhelming majority of gems in the system as having been generated by cash purchase.

lordkrall.7241:

So we are comparing a finisher or an outfit to a full expansion now?

Since both are digital goods, that required nothing but work-time & energy-cost to be made & implemented into the game, yes.
You’ll find out in a moment that it’s the current shop items that are just very expensive, compared to the actual value of gems.

Since both are basically the same, I’d say the gem-prize tagged on HoT defines if it is a reasonable item on the shop or not.

- 1 gem is 0.0125$
- a finisher costs 500-700 gems, so a finisher is worth 8.75$ at max.
- a outfit for 800 gems would be 10$
- the gw2 didgital deluxe edition did cost 2000gems, so 25$.
So far sounds reasonable, eh?

50$ get you 4k gems, so I’d say 4k gems for a HoT-key, which is priced at 49.99$ currently is reasonable.
25$ more & you would be at the level of the HoT deluxe edition, surprisingly ending up at 2k gems – again.

So yea, adding hot & the deluxe upgrade-keys separately definitively makes sense, since only the ultimate edition comes with a 4k gem bonus, which makes it the only one that would break the market.
And yes, that would mean that buying the ultimate edition for real money (100$) would give you enough gems to buy a second key. Maybe for a friend or relative. So it would bring more people into the game as well.

Win/Win for both us & the company because we get more players & A-net(NC-soft) gets more gem-buyers.

And even if they don’t add key generation to the gem-store, the deluxe-edition will definitively show up at some point as account-upgrade, priced at around 2k gems.
Better save them now

Most likely not because it would ruin gem prices

Arantheal.7396:

lordkrall.7241:

So we are comparing a finisher or an outfit to a full expansion now?

Since both are digital goods, that required nothing but work-time & energy-cost to be made & implemented into the game, yes.
You’ll find out in a moment that it’s the current shop items that are just very expensive, compared to the actual value of gems.

Since both are basically the same, I’d say the gem-prize tagged on HoT defines if it is a reasonable item on the shop or not.

- 1 gem is 0.0125$
- a finisher costs 500-700 gems, so a finisher is worth 8.75$ at max.
- a outfit for 800 gems would be 10$
- the gw2 didgital deluxe edition did cost 2000gems, so 25$.
So far sounds reasonable, eh?

50$ get you 4k gems, so I’d say 4k gems for a HoT-key, which is priced at 49.99$ currently is reasonable.
25$ more & you would be at the level of the HoT deluxe edition, surprisingly ending up at 2k gems – again.

So yea, adding hot & the deluxe upgrade-keys separately definitively makes sense, since only the ultimate edition comes with a 4k gem bonus, which makes it the only one that would break the market.
And yes, that would mean that buying the ultimate edition for real money (100$) would give you enough gems to buy a second key. Maybe for a friend or relative. So it would bring more people into the game as well.

Win/Win for both us & the company because we get more players & A-net(NC-soft) gets more gem-buyers.

And even if they don’t add key generation to the gem-store, the deluxe-edition will definitively show up at some point as account-upgrade, priced at around 2k gems.
Better save them now

The Deluxe upgrade has been in the Gem Store for some time now (I believe a week or two after pre-purchase announcement), at 2400 Gems.

Upgrades will always be offered in the Gem Store. Basic (core-type [original, expansion]) acquisitions will not.

It’s not going to be in the gem store because ANet said it’s not going to be in the gem store, and that’s that.

As to why? I think it’s to keep the profits from the sale of the expansion completely separated from the gem store. They need to justify the cost of developing the expansion, which is hard to do when a chunk of the profits from it may be hidden within gemstore transactions.

Nehalem.8196:

Hi,

will HoT be available in the ingame Gem store in the future?

I think this would convince a few players to buy it with Gems rather then paying the game only with a credit card online.

I hope this can be arranged in the near future
(Like ie. the Digital Deluxe Edition is also available ingame)

As long as you can convert gold to gems, they won’t make expacs available in the Gem Shop.

While it’s true that all gems that can be exchanged for gold were bought by someone, it’s not true that there would be more gems in the exchange as a result of doing this. In other words,

• ANet currently gets cash for gems and cash for the expac.
• In the fantasy scenario, ANet would only get cash for gems.

That change would be fine, if and only if the amount of cash would increase by the amount currently being spent on the expac. Do you really think that people would spend as much additional money on gems as they are currently spending on the expac? If that were true, I would think that ANet could have stuck with the Living Story and avoided the complication of adding an expansion.

If you want to wait 2-3 years, HoT will kind of be available in the gem store. Next expansion, HoT will be free and HoT’s story will be purchased through the gem store.

This have to be a troll thread, please tell me it is a troll thread.
This forum never fail to give me a good laugh.