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HoT "gated" exploration
Update: uninstalled.
Kept trying to appreciate HoT but it’s just not fun.
Can I have your….
Sorry. I do understand your frustration. Have just completed AB and there was some tedious waiting and timing to get everything. Not sure if I’ll have the will to do it again on another toon, but it was worth doing at least once.
But when you say it’s not fun, are you referring to just the jungle or the whole expansion? And when you say uninstalled, do you mean you’ve uninstalled just the expansion (is that possible) or all of gw2?
You should try running it with a guild instead of running it on your own. Today a handful of us got together and completed with the TD meta and DS meta pretty much back to back. We had a blast.
Yeah, because as everyone knows, “running with a guild” makes the clock tick differently.
Yeah, because as everyone knows, “running with a guild” makes the clock tick differently.
Of course it does. If you schedule it to do with your guild you will obviously do it when it is the best time for it. We used to do “Tarzan raids” in AB where we gathered guild members and did a full exploration, of course to get enough people you can’t do it “on the fly” but instead we schedule it so as to get as many people as possible.
If you schedule it, the difference is in how you tick differently, not the clock.
After the second attempt at exploring the HP under Auric Basin after meta events, and being mercilessly forced onto another map for a second time before the final meta event, I just want to reiterate how frustrating anet has made map exploration with this expansion – literally more frustrating than back when we had to explore WvW forts for credit.
Between the lack of raid accessability, dungeons, 4 maps with gated exploration, and 45 day breaks between being able to work on the pvp legendary, it feels like FOTM is the only thing anet has right at the moment.
tl;dr: Thanks for wasting 90 minutes of my time (twice in a row) attempting to explore AB.
I don’t see any actual critique of the HoT exploration or how “gated” it is. How’s about you try this: don’t click on yes when they ask you to change maps?
EDIT: Also, raids are pretty accessible as far as raids generally go. All you need are exotic armor and ascended trinkets really. And that’s pretty easy to get.
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Yeah, because as everyone knows, “running with a guild” makes the clock tick differently.
Of course it does. Time is relative. Time flies when you’re having fun.
Doing something alone takes longer than with an organized group anyway, but when you’re laughing and joking while doing something it’s a different experience. I think most people have experienced it.
Yes, things tend to feel a lot faster with a good group no matter what the clock says, and it makes all the difference in the world to some of us.
But the clock decides what you can and can’t play, which is what the OP was talking about. Your happy happy joy joy platitudes don’t change that.
I never have problems getting in a good HOT map. You just seem not to know how the maps work. It isn’t the most comfortable thing but it works like in SW: open lfg and look for ‘AB meta event’-like posts and join them. That easy…
‘would have/would’ve been’ —> correct
‘would of been’ —> wrong
‘would of been’ —> wrong
Have you ever played HoT?
Let’s take now, this instance, the moment I’m making this post.
Verdant Brink, 6 minutes from nightfall. How do you figure I go about trying to do outposts chains now? How do I beat the clock with the LFG tool?
Sounds to me like it is another ‘I need a reason to quit’ situation.
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Have you ever played HoT?
You are saying this as if timers exist only on HoT maps. How do I kill the Claw of Jormag that I need for my collection? Oh I can’t. How do I kill the Vinewrath? Oh I can’t, I have to find a map that does it and is not chest farming then wait until it’s time for Vinewrath. How do I join a sandstorm in Dry Top? Oh I can’t unless it’s the proper time for it.
And of course this goes way further if you actually set any kind of goal and in Old Tyria without timers it can get ridiculous very quickly. Ever tried to find an uncontested Orr Temple? Ever tried to find a particular event somewhere on the map (usually for a collection)?
You might not like it but timers serve a purpose. They are a great way to force players to play content together. Waiting is never fun. But waiting without any clue when what you want might become available is MUCH worse.
All of that timed stuff you mention in classic GW2? I don’t play it. Because I can’t be bothered to check the clock and I was done with the world bosses well before they went on megaserver schedules anyway.
The difference is, the new open world HoT is all clock. Classic GW2 open world is just a little clock.
Have you ever played HoT?
Let’s take now, this instance, the moment I’m making this post.
Verdant Brink, 6 minutes from nightfall. How do you figure I go about trying to do outposts chains now? How do I beat the clock with the LFG tool?
First, that is not what OP was talking about. Read his post and don’t make stuff up.
Second, you just do night events. What is wrong with that?
Yeah, because as everyone knows, “running with a guild” makes the clock tick differently.
AB is really easy with an organized group.
You need about 20 people and 20 Minutes. Jump on an empty map just before the Octovine Event.
http://dulfy.net/2015/11/09/gw2-hot-maps-timer-famme/
It doesn’t matter which tier the map has T1 is OK, it is easier if there a waypoints open. Tag up and spread out so that you have 5 organized people on each side. Normally a few randoms join you which makes it easier. We have it done a couple of times this way, always successful.
Have you ever played HoT?
Let’s take now, this instance, the moment I’m making this post.
Verdant Brink, 6 minutes from nightfall. How do you figure I go about trying to do outposts chains now? How do I beat the clock with the LFG tool?
First, that is not what OP was talking about. Read his post and don’t make stuff up.
Second, you just do night events. What is wrong with that?
Have you ever played HoT?
You are saying this as if timers exist only on HoT maps. How do I kill the Claw of Jormag that I need for my collection? Oh I can’t. How do I kill the Vinewrath? Oh I can’t, I have to find a map that does it and is not chest farming then wait until it’s time for Vinewrath. How do I join a sandstorm in Dry Top? Oh I can’t unless it’s the proper time for it.
And of course this goes way further if you actually set any kind of goal and in Old Tyria without timers it can get ridiculous very quickly. Ever tried to find an uncontested Orr Temple? Ever tried to find a particular event somewhere on the map (usually for a collection)?
You might not like it but timers serve a purpose. They are a great way to force players to play content together. Waiting is never fun. But waiting without any clue when what you want might become available is MUCH worse.
Amen. People simply refuse to acknowledge that HoT was in fact the logical continuation of core GW2.
All of that timed stuff you mention in classic GW2? I don’t play it. Because I can’t be bothered to check the clock and I was done with the world bosses well before they went on megaserver schedules anyway.
The difference is, the new open world HoT is all clock. Classic GW2 open world is just a little clock.
Then stop playing the game, considering they have had on the clock stuff since launch. And stop derailing the thread, because this is NOT what the OP was about. It’s called "HoT “gated” exploration" and is about exploring the AB map. None of that has anything to do with timers.
The “gated exploration” the OP was talking about is the time gated exploration.
If you feel anything I said was unrelated to the topic at hand, look for the originators of the derailment in the posts I was replying to. Oh but wait, it doesn’t fit your agenda to berate people you agree with.
The “gated exploration” the OP was talking about is the time gated exploration.
If you feel anything I said was unrelated to the topic at hand, look for the originators of the derailment in the posts I was replying to. Oh but wait, it doesn’t fit your agenda to berate people you agree with.
Wait, to berate people I agree with? In what world does that sentence make any sense?
Nothing is stopping you from exploring Ab at any point. In any case, OP complained about having to switch maps. Even though nobody is forcing him to switch maps. Or is stopping him from just exploring the map.
So what is your point again? And OP’s as well?
The “gated exploration” the OP was talking about is the time gated exploration.
If you feel anything I said was unrelated to the topic at hand, look for the originators of the derailment in the posts I was replying to. Oh but wait, it doesn’t fit your agenda to berate people you agree with.
Wait, to berate people I agree with? In what world does that sentence make any sense?
In yours, apparently. Of all the people going off-topic, even before I did, you’re singling out the one you disagree with to tell off for going off-topic. Classy.
Nothing is stopping you from exploring Ab at any point.
There are plenty of locations you have no access to depending on the clock.[/quote]
The difference is, the new open world HoT is all clock. Classic GW2 open world is just a little clock.
You need to watch the clock to get 3 poi, 1 vista and 7 hero points in Dragon’s Stand and just 1 hero point in AB. You can explore everything else without any timer watching. Sometimes it requires some creative thinking or unlocking a certain mastery but exploring the HoT maps isn’t so dependant on clocks and timers.
You forget several pois in AB.
And you’re talking to someone who thinks any open-world affecting time gate is disgusting. One is too many. I want to log on and play what I want to play, not log on and check the clock to see what’s available to play.
Hmm… reading what Manasa Devi says got me thinking. I actually do agree. I mean I love exploring and I have 12 characters to play with and none of them have gotten 100% except on VB, it is not that I don’t like the maps it is that with my playstyle I am not aiming to explore stuff I explore when I get there. This way I haven’t completed the maps as it has been locked when I have been there and well someday I will be there in the right time but I would rather it would always be open so I could explore.
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But the clock decides what you can and can’t play, which is what the OP was talking about. Your happy happy joy joy platitudes don’t change that.
Actually there’s very little time when you can’t play something. Today I got on and the TD meta was coming up so I did that. The DS meta was almost immediately following that so I did that.
But when nothing is going on, I can still farm the zones, and get currency from doing events, from killing stuff. I’m in no rush.
I never worry much about timers.
I’m a focused type of person. When I log in to play, I already know what I want to do. If that’s not available, the game has no further interest to me at that time. If I feel like doing map completion of Auric Basin on a character, I’m not going to do the TD meta just because it’s available. And if it so happens I’d need to wait 40 minutes before being allowed to, for example, open up the Overseer’s Cave in AB, I just don’t play at all. And if that happens often enough, I won’t even try anymore.
Hmm… reading what Manasa Devi says got me thinking. I actually do agree. I mean I love exploring and I have 12 characters to play with and none of them have gotten 100% except on VB, it is not that I don’t like the maps it is that with my playstyle I am not aiming to explore stuff I explore when I get there. This way I haven’t completed the maps as it has been locked when I have been there and well someday I will be there in the right time but I would rather it would always be open so I could explore.
VB is always open. There’s never a time you can’t get it completed, if you have masteries unlocked anyway. I can complete VB at any time of day.
Be glad to take you around if you’re on a US server.
Well, he has VB on 100%.
Hmm… reading what Manasa Devi says got me thinking. I actually do agree. I mean I love exploring and I have 12 characters to play with and none of them have gotten 100% except on VB, it is not that I don’t like the maps it is that with my playstyle I am not aiming to explore stuff I explore when I get there. This way I haven’t completed the maps as it has been locked when I have been there and well someday I will be there in the right time but I would rather it would always be open so I could explore.
VB is always open. There’s never a time you can’t get it completed, if you have masteries unlocked anyway. I can complete VB at any time of day.
Be glad to take you around if you’re on a US server.
I am bad at being clear :P I meant from all the new 4 maps VB is the only map I have completed just because it is open 24/7.
And no I am on EU servers and also I am not complaining really or at least I don’t mean to say that I have problems with it, I enjoy the game in my own pace and I love GW2 and most of its content, I am one of those who reacted surprised on OPs decision to Uninstall over this.
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I’m going to agree that I find things gated in HoT which is difficult to swallow. I have played since beta and after picking the game up after X-mas, it took me a month to complete VB. The fact that you need to look for maps and that there is no good way to get exp without those trains is very frustrating. Also, the fact that you need masteries because several things in AB are gated makes it hard when you haven’t even completed some of the masteries from VB. So you are in a constant state of trying to catch up. It isn’t that the content is bad per se, I don’t have much trouble with events or exploring. But when I see other players using means of travel that are locked out for me just because I haven’t grinded enough exp, makes me go back to other games.
But when I see other players using means of travel that are locked out for me just because I haven’t grinded enough exp, makes me go back to other games.
Sounds just like every other MMO where you haven’t reached a high enough level or reputation yet. For example, gliding would have been a level locked mount and wallows would have been a reputation grind to unlock shortcuts through that faction’s territory.
Personally, by the time I got around to the areas blocked by masteries in AB, I already had them all. I however legitimately explored the maps, probably spending at least a day’s worth of play time in VB alone and since I started each day by doing a few adventures, experience was never a problem.
Did anyone bother to read the OP?
Is it just automatic now to hijack a thread to insert whatever you believe personally, regardless of what the topic is?
Hot gated Exploration
Very clearly portrayed.
You may be totally used to circumventing the masses of vines blocking access to many areas. Remember when it was new? Did you try to accomplish as much as possible without help? That’s the difference.
You might feel thrilled or empowered by getting your achievements done in a zerg.
Some players eventually want actual individual accomplishment.
Hot goes a long way towards discouraging that.
Chants of “do it with your guild” are as pointless as “help with maps” to an individual trying to explore.
But when I see other players using means of travel that are locked out for me just because I haven’t grinded enough exp, makes me go back to other games.
Sounds just like every other MMO where you haven’t reached a high enough level or reputation yet. For example, gliding would have been a level locked mount and wallows would have been a reputation grind to unlock shortcuts through that faction’s territory.
Personally, by the time I got around to the areas blocked by masteries in AB, I already had them all. I however legitimately explored the maps, probably spending at least a day’s worth of play time in VB alone and since I started each day by doing a few adventures, experience was never a problem.
I really didn’t buy GW2 back when it was released because things were gated. Especially exploration. Just because other MMO’s do it doesn’t make it right. A gate is a gate and to do it to exploration seems pretty lame as the OP states. If people want to grind for Achievements, Raids, etc. That’s fine. Gating exploration of maps and participation in generic events is pretty lame. There really isn’t a defense for it. Especially now that you have to find full maps. Telling someone to pop a tag and run it assumes that A. People have a commander tag and B. that they understand the map. If they are going around the map for completion, 10 bucks gets you that they don’t know all the map mechanics yet.
When I read the OP, I agreed to a point, especially about AB.
There is the HP that can only be accessed after a completed meta.
Ok, that is gated by the event, but I don’t seem to have a problem finding a map that will complete it. However, others might.
I ran into a different problem, but same topic.
I typically will explore maps, before doing the story.
And in this particular map, there is a POI and Vista that is only accessible, in the egg room, after you do the associated story line that grants you permission to enter.
So, those two spots are gated, by the story.
I had to take my character through that point in the story, which was easy enough, but just took some time.
A little research would have helped the OP understand what needed to be done.
It seems a little extreme to me to uninstall the game, just because of this.
Did anyone bother to read the OP?
Is it just automatic now to hijack a thread to insert whatever you believe personally, regardless of what the topic is?Hot gated Exploration
Very clearly portrayed.
You may be totally used to circumventing the masses of vines blocking access to many areas. Remember when it was new? Did you try to accomplish as much as possible without help? That’s the difference.
You might feel thrilled or empowered by getting your achievements done in a zerg.
Some players eventually want actual individual accomplishment.
Hot goes a long way towards discouraging that.
Chants of “do it with your guild” are as pointless as “help with maps” to an individual trying to explore.
I have all 4 maps done at least 2 times each, Dragon Stand I have 9 times since it is so easy to do. I play solo 98% of the time, just because I enjoy it, does not mean I don’t join in a meta event. The only ‘gating’ I can think of is you need updraft in DS, which frankly is easy to get. The most annoying map is Auric because of a short window to get a POI just south of the southern wp and the story requirement for inside the city (which can be gotten around with help). So these huge hindrances of exploring are a phantom.
Did anyone bother to read the OP?
Is it just automatic now to hijack a thread to insert whatever you believe personally, regardless of what the topic is?Hot gated Exploration
Very clearly portrayed.
You may be totally used to circumventing the masses of vines blocking access to many areas. Remember when it was new? Did you try to accomplish as much as possible without help? That’s the difference.
You might feel thrilled or empowered by getting your achievements done in a zerg.
Some players eventually want actual individual accomplishment.
Hot goes a long way towards discouraging that.
Chants of “do it with your guild” are as pointless as “help with maps” to an individual trying to explore.
Actually help with maps is not pointless to an individual trying to explore. They’re pointless to an individual trying to explore and playing an MMO as a single player game. This isn’t a single player game. You’re in enemy territory. You’re fighting a newly awakened elder dragon and if you could solo everything, it would be a big letdown to some people.
Yes, there are times the community needs to come together to do stuff, including the Karka Queen, Temples in Orr and Triple Trouble.
There are some very hard champs in Orr that regularly block skill points. People simply waited until they were done to get them. Maybe a thief stealthed up to it, but that’s one profession.
This is an MMO and it’s not really based on your single person achievement. You can’t stop someone from joining you in the open world anyway. If you are arguing that this game is gated by having people around, yeah, it’s gated by having people around.
Because as an MMO, that’s acceptable.
That’s particularly true because of how small a percentage of things are actually gated by that.
Solo players can play MMOs as much as they want. But the game should not be designed strictly around their needs. There’s plenty of stuff you can solo in this game.
HOT zones might be the only part of the game I will never finish. In addition, HOT masteries might be the only part of the mastery train I will never finish. I told myself that I will at least get all gliding masteries…. Well, here I am, still not getting exp for the 3rd level of the mastery track.
Seriously, kitten HOT zones. I’m more than happy with Tyria.
I already spoke my piece on how annoying I find the whole “on the clock” concept.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Stop-gating-map-completion-with-events/first
If you type “GW2 HoT timer” into Google you’ll get the timers for the events, log in when the event you want is up.
Its just like World Bosses from Core Tyria.
If you type “GW2 HoT timer” into Google you’ll get the timers for the events, log in when the event you want is up.
Its just like World Bosses from Core Tyria.
Yep, there are ways to know, but it still doesn’t excuse the long waits and gated WPs and masterys and ……….
If you type “GW2 HoT timer” into Google you’ll get the timers for the events, log in when the event you want is up.
Its just like World Bosses from Core Tyria.
It’s great that we now have an official timers page but when can we expect it to be built into the game, so we don’t have to alt-tab out of the game to view it? The TP is apparently a website, so why not have some equivalent window for event timers we can watch in game? That leads me to another idea… but I’ll raise a new topic for that instead of cluttering this one.
When I read the OP, I agreed to a point, especially about AB.
There is the HP that can only be accessed after a completed meta.
Ok, that is gated by the event, but I don’t seem to have a problem finding a map that will complete it. However, others might.
I ran into a different problem, but same topic.
I typically will explore maps, before doing the story.
And in this particular map, there is a POI and Vista that is only accessible, in the egg room, after you do the associated story line that grants you permission to enter.
So, those two spots are gated, by the story.
I had to take my character through that point in the story, which was easy enough, but just took some time.
A little research would have helped the OP understand what needed to be done.
It seems a little extreme to me to uninstall the game, just because of this.
I don’t know, OP didn’t seem confused about what they need to do. They’re literally just saying that gating exploration in general was a stupid move and they’re not dealing with it. And I don’t blame them. I haven’t played more than 5 minutes a day in months. HoT hardly added anything new to do, especially if you don’t want to raid. which in of itself has been on farm for months.
Come to think of it, there are cultural armour merchants in the world who won’t sell you something if you’re not of that particular culture. What if I’m buying it for a friend, or another toon? Why can’t I just buy the thing and put the skin in my bank, or the wardrobe. Why the weird racial gating?