Guild Wars 2

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

Is dodging right so hard? Is getting tankier gear if you can’t so hard? Is playing with others if you can’t do that so hard? There are always people there.

Im pretty much disappointed about the mob’s AI. Stand on an elevation and Bristlebacks don’t hit, stand on an elevation or dodge from a wall and stoneheads will stun themselfes. Mordrem snipers obvious attacks are just the easiest to dodge attacks in the entire game, same for the hammer guys. Pocket raptors… AoE and they die instantly. Just run out of the smokescales AoE.

I got VB and AB to 100% w/o getting real help from others, just some meta events, solo’ed almost every Champ on those 2 maps (This vampire thingy sucked, tho pun intended)

Overall HoT just doesn’t feel fast paced, well harder than the normal open world but not the challenge everyone cries about.

Other opinions from people that think it really isn’t that hard?

this is a casual game. I told my sister to try it and she find it too hard and complain to me saying she thought this will be like hello kitty island.

Since I told her this game is much easier than other virtual world game except easier.

It’s not that hard if you played any other game that involves you using your head. But compared to core tyria, the mobs actually being something you have to worry about instead of just a slight speed bump is nice, plus the fact you can’t really solo everything. The mobs seem easier and squishier than before though, admittedly. Though that might just be me, but I remember having to use 2-3 gravediggers to kill a sniper at half health at the start, but now it just takes 1 and maybe an auto.

Also, when did you do your complete toon, recently? Because several hero points have been nerfed in VB, possibly auric basin but I haven’t checked.

Also everything is relative. You may thought it is easy because you died a few time. Some people get frustrated if they died even once.

laokoko.7403:

this is a casual game. I told my sister to try it and she find it too hard and complain to me saying she thought this will be like hello kitty island.

Since I told her this game is much easier than other virtual world game except easier.

The HoT areas are end-game. Even if it’s your first char you should’ve leveled him to 80 by hand. You can’t throw somebody into end-game content who didn’t play the game in the first place. That has nothing to do with casual.

I finished VB 2 weeks ago and AB today.

Dying is normal. Let it be 5 or 50 times until you understand how the enemies work. If you die over and over again and just keep complaining instead of learning, well, then you’re the problem, not the game.

Shirk.6421:

laokoko.7403:

this is a casual game. I told my sister to try it and she find it too hard and complain to me saying she thought this will be like hello kitty island.

Since I told her this game is much easier than other virtual world game except easier.

The HoT areas are end-game. Even if it’s your first char you should’ve leveled him to 80 by hand. You can’t throw somebody into end-game content who didn’t play the game in the first place. That has nothing to do with casual.

I finished VB 2 weeks ago and AB today.

Dying is normal. Let it be 5 or 50 times until you understand how the enemies work. If you die over and over again and just keep complaining instead of learning, well, then you’re the problem, not the game.

oh no, she told me queensdale is too hard for her. I guess she dont’ have the hand and eye coordination to play GW2.

Apparently she like playing hello kitty island and candy crush though.

Well, you obviously don’t play with 300 latency. How difficult the content is also depends a great deal on your class. I’m having an easy time on Reaper for example, but my squishy classes get eaten alive. But hey, this thread is obviously a subtle brag, so whatever.

Atharian.7092:

But hey, this thread is obviously a subtle brag, so whatever.

That’s all these threads ever are.

Shirk.6421:

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

Is dodging right so hard? Is getting tankier gear if you can’t so hard? Is playing with others if you can’t do that so hard? There are always people there.

Im pretty much disappointed about the mob’s AI. Stand on an elevation and Bristlebacks don’t hit, stand on an elevation or dodge from a wall and stoneheads will stun themselfes. Mordrem snipers obvious attacks are just the easiest to dodge attacks in the entire game, same for the hammer guys. Pocket raptors… AoE and they die instantly. Just run out of the smokescales AoE.

I got VB and AB to 100% w/o getting real help from others, just some meta events, solo’ed almost every Champ on those 2 maps (This vampire thingy sucked, tho pun intended)

Overall HoT just doesn’t feel fast paced, well harder than the normal open world but not the challenge everyone cries about.

Other opinions from people that think it really isn’t that hard?

Either Dunning-Kruger or brag thread. Not sure which.

Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence, they may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others, and they may incorrectly suppose that their competence in a particular field extends to other fields in which they are less competent.

This could be you.

When people complain that HoT is too hard, they probably just mean it’s harder than they’d prefer.

Also it’s a lot more than just the actual combat influencing their opinions. You have to consider the entirety of the expansion. Off the top of my head…

- Navigation
- Mob density
- Effort/Reward ratio
- Bugs and PC performance issues
- Unmet expectations

These are all likely to shape individual opinions. Someone who’s miffed about all or some of the above (and there are quite a few people who are disappointed them) is going to become frustrated a lot more easily than a player who is generally satisfied with the state of the game.

Shirk.6421:

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

You’re right. It’s not harder.

Just mind numblingly boring.

And apparently, since HoT is not challenging, and you like HoT, you must like non-challenging games. Am i right?

Shirk.6421:

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

Is dodging right so hard? Is getting tankier gear if you can’t so hard? Is playing with others if you can’t do that so hard? There are always people there.

Im pretty much disappointed about the mob’s AI. Stand on an elevation and Bristlebacks don’t hit, stand on an elevation or dodge from a wall and stoneheads will stun themselfes. Mordrem snipers obvious attacks are just the easiest to dodge attacks in the entire game, same for the hammer guys. Pocket raptors… AoE and they die instantly. Just run out of the smokescales AoE.

I got VB and AB to 100% w/o getting real help from others, just some meta events, solo’ed almost every Champ on those 2 maps (This vampire thingy sucked, tho pun intended)

Overall HoT just doesn’t feel fast paced, well harder than the normal open world but not the challenge everyone cries about.

Other opinions from people that think it really isn’t that hard?

Mobs just hit harder than vanilla gw2 did even at orr. So people whine. Some like it.

Pug’ing raids and pug’ing pvp ranks is definitely to hard at the moment though. Guild or fail.

Depend on which class you play.

If you’re playing a MM Necro or Ranger, ofc it’d be easy.

Shirk.6421:

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

Is dodging right so hard? Is getting tankier gear if you can’t so hard? Is playing with others if you can’t do that so hard? There are always people there.

Im pretty much disappointed about the mob’s AI. Stand on an elevation and Bristlebacks don’t hit, stand on an elevation or dodge from a wall and stoneheads will stun themselfes. Mordrem snipers obvious attacks are just the easiest to dodge attacks in the entire game, same for the hammer guys. Pocket raptors… AoE and they die instantly. Just run out of the smokescales AoE.

I got VB and AB to 100% w/o getting real help from others, just some meta events, solo’ed almost every Champ on those 2 maps (This vampire thingy sucked, tho pun intended)

Overall HoT just doesn’t feel fast paced, well harder than the normal open world but not the challenge everyone cries about.

Other opinions from people that think it really isn’t that hard?

15 Charrs agree that HOT is not challenging.

Posts that include phrases like “I can’t understand why x is too hard/a grind/whatever” do likely not bother to try understanding (understanding =/= agreeing, mind you) the issue, or rather seeing it from another point of view.

Everyone definies hard differently. Dying 50 times could mean in this case that it’s hard and/or frustrating for some gamers but on the other hand mean positively challenging for others. Besides, not everyone has, can, is able and/or want to achieve the same “skill cap”. Maybe you’ve played in “high competetive” environments before, be it raid-or-die contents, PvP or any form of ladder and thus have automatically gained a better view of things/skill, which you may or may not take for granted in other less-awesome players. Similar like how a rich person has another understanding of what is cheap/expensive than poor or normal-earning person.

Some mobs also have pretty high health pools. I get it, time my dodges, avoid the damage, now just die already! I got places to go, things to see. I think the mobs I hate the most for this are the fire wyverns since they go immune to damage, if I can’t break the bar fast enough they just spin around immune to damage pooping out fire that rarely even renders. If I aggro them, I just keep running. Not because their hard, but because I’m not waiting for them to land, and I"m not playing the “Is this fire or safe? I don’t see anything on the ground… nope it’s fire!” game.

HoT set up a new dividing line.

When I notice any pve of other games, i do not see more action, I feel like those other games were just doing standing to reap mobs like harvesting trees.

What I liked most was that I was “forced” to optimize my old berserker warrior and try new build. Now i have more action.

Unfortunately I do not have much time, if I had, I would open a blog or YouTube channel with videos, discuss builds etc.

Even in Core Tyria u miss the HoT action.

I think HoT is harder
However I don’t think it is hard enough for people to complain about
Anyways before HoT people were complaining about how easy gw was so…

I can’t really run around solo in HoT for long. If I do, I get smacked down in an event. I handle the general mobs ok, but sometimes a veteran sneaks up on me and smacks me.

Nobody said it was hard. They said it was hardER than vanilla GW2’s open world. And it is. You have to do stuff that isn’t autoattacking.

I work on high end German Automobiles for a living. There is probably a very broad section of people that would consider what I do challenging, even if I don’t always feel it to be that way.

You have to look at it in context. When you compare HoT to Core Tyria, the difficulty is a pretty big increase. That being said, it is something that you can overcome with practice. That being said I can see how some people are salty about this. I had one small guild I ran with for a while. They lasted about 2 weeks into HoT and now they are all gone. Every single one of them. 10-15 players that were on every day.

Disclaimer. I love the HoT zones. I find it challenging at times without being a hug pain in the kitten .

You need to learn the difference between challenging and annoying.

Mitch.4781:

You need to learn the difference between challenging and annoying.

This made me chuckle. And as someone already said, challenge is subjective, so no one person’s opinion on the matter is going to be definitive.

But hey, HoT being challenging or not has been argued on this forum ad nauseum. We need some new drama.

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Even if we do get a poster or two that can do such a thing, it means next to nothing (or should).

Those 1%ers will continue to speed run arah naked while watching youtube and eating dinner only to show that everyone else should GIT GUD & L2P. If only means that a very small portion of the community can do it, it doesn’t mean that they need to make all future content suit them, nor should ANet do so.

As has been said, challenge is subjective but building around only the best of the best will make for a very empty game full of only the elitists IMO.

Tommyknocker.6089:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Even if we do get a poster or two that can do such a thing, it means next to nothing (or should).

Those 1%ers will continue to speed run arah naked while watching youtube and eating dinner only to show that everyone else should GIT GUD & L2P. If only means that a very small portion of the community can do it, it doesn’t mean that they need to make all future content suit them, nor should ANet do so.

As has been said, challenge is subjective but building around only the best of the best will make for a very empty game full of only the elitists IMO.

One thing to remember is that when someone talks about soloing champs, for example, they might act pompous after the fact, but they didn’t necessarily succeed on the first try. Or the second. Or the twentieth. Some people don’t have the patience for banging their heads against such a mob and those who do can oftentimes be forgetful of how long it actually took them to do it, or perceive their numerous attempts as simply “part of the process,” making them blind to how it differs from the guy/gal who tried solo once or twice and gave up forever on doing it that way.

In other words, perception is the bottom line of all of this and sometimes it’s a difference in peoples’ experience with what challenging means, more so than it is some kind of god-given talent that some have and others don’t. John Doe “is used to doing hundreds of attempts to get past a small portion of a video game” is probably not going to see HoT as much of a challenge. Bob Dole “is used to one or two attempts to get past, if he makes a big mistake,” is probably going to see HoT as a series of mountainous hurdles.

It’s not so much skill itself (though that of course factors in) – it’s what people are willing to do and accustomed to doing.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

What Atharian said below: latency can take a relatively simple task and make it challenging.

Atharian.7092:

Well, you obviously don’t play with 300 latency. How difficult the content is also depends a great deal on your class. I’m having an easy time on Reaper for example, but my squishy classes get eaten alive. But hey, this thread is obviously a subtle brag, so whatever.

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

But posting that doesn’t prove anything. That is literally one of the easiest HPs to get in VB. Now if he had a video of him soloing it back when it was a champion then that would be an entirely different story. Or pick any one of the other champion HPs.

Shirk.6421:

Sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people say HoT is so “hard” and “challenging”.

Have you tried playing poorly?

xarallei.4279:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

But posting that doesn’t prove anything. That is literally one of the easiest HPs to get in VB. Now if he had a video of him soloing it back when it was a champion then that would be an entirely different story. Or pick any one of the other champion HPs.

I disbelieve his claims, and I’m inviting him to prove me wrong. I’d accept a solo of that point as a modest declaration that he possesses some skill. If he believes that a greater challenge would be more informative, then he can have at it.

IndigoSundown.5419:

xarallei.4279:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

But posting that doesn’t prove anything. That is literally one of the easiest HPs to get in VB. Now if he had a video of him soloing it back when it was a champion then that would be an entirely different story. Or pick any one of the other champion HPs.

I disbelieve his claims, and I’m inviting him to prove me wrong. I’d accept a solo of that point as a modest declaration that he possesses some skill. If he believes that a greater challenge would be more informative, then he can have at it.

Look, I can solo that point, but I’m not going to go out of my way to make a video to show disbelieving players that I can solo it.

I think you are mistaking your position here. He doesn’t need to prove to himself that HoT is too easy. He experiences it. To him, making a video of himself soloing a Hero Point is akin to making a video explaining why the sky is blue. If anything, you should make videos of yourselves failing that HP, so then the OP can understand why it is so hard for others.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

xarallei.4279:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

But posting that doesn’t prove anything. That is literally one of the easiest HPs to get in VB. Now if he had a video of him soloing it back when it was a champion then that would be an entirely different story. Or pick any one of the other champion HPs.

I disbelieve his claims, and I’m inviting him to prove me wrong. I’d accept a solo of that point as a modest declaration that he possesses some skill. If he believes that a greater challenge would be more informative, then he can have at it.

Look, I can solo that point, but I’m not going to go out of my way to make a video to show disbelieving players that I can solo it.

I think you are mistaking your position here. He doesn’t need to prove to himself that HoT is too easy. He experiences it. To him, making a video of himself soloing a Hero Point is akin to making a video explaining why the sky is blue. If anything, you should make videos of yourselves failing that HP, so then the OP can understand why it is so hard for others.

Just to get ridiculded by the god-skilled forum warriors in return where maybe 2-3 people actually would offer any helpful advice (other than in the specific profession sub-forum)? That would be the same as the forum warriors posting their OPness and in turn being labled as show-offs/braggers or so.

The hardest part of H0T is the endless JPs and gating and inaccessable areas (like whole of 4th map), contested WPs making failing a jump or a glide a very long run back, gated and timed ‘adventures’ that rely on superb ping and some rng as well as, yep, JP style mechanics, and reaching some of the Hp’s in the first place, then waiting and spamming map chat hoping someone takes pity on you and spends their time getting to the HP you want so that you can complete it.

If you remove those elements then all that is left is some harder mobs, which are only hard until you learn their mechanics, then the problem becomes spatial awareness and being able to kill one lot with out aggoing others in the area whilst avoiding attacks. then they become annoying as the ‘paths’ in the jungle are narrow so moving around mobs is often impossible.

I agree. Its not challening its just annoying. Why? Many reasons have already been posted.

- Too complex maps. Where do i have to go? Contested waypoints!
- Boring (CC rider thing) and annoying enemies (disappearing frogs).
- Too complex masterie system
- From end game is play what you want too you have to grind masteries
- You always need at least some one else for too much content
- If a map has a few people. People are rather taxiing out.

raubvogel.5071:

I agree. Its not challening its just annoying. Why? Many reasons have already been posted.

- Too complex maps. Where do i have to go? Contested waypoints!
- Boring (CC rider thing) and annoying enemies (disappearing frogs).
- Too complex masterie system
- From end game is play what you want too you have to grind masteries
- You always need at least some one else for too much content
- If a map has a few people. People are rather taxiing out.

1) Map complex? I agree and that’s the good thing…don’t know how to reach a place? Learn the map. Even TD once you know the 4/5 entrances the subareas besides Confluence, Lanes and Outposts is really straightforward

2) Ok, tell me how you’d make a combat more difficult, becauser more damage/defence apprently is booring (see fractals) and a smartar UI that can dodge, stealth and CC is booring too. Enlight me pls. I like how the mobs are in HoT maps, at least you have to activate a couple of neuron more than usual….

3) Complex…mastery…system? Are you serious. I mean..is linear arguably the simpliest thing possible..what’s complex aobut masteries?

4) You don’t have to grind them, you actually need just gliding, updraft, mushroom jumping and those are unlock casually in maybe the first 2 hour of gameplay? DOn’t tell me 2h is grind. Others are optional to unlock “special” stuff around (finish collections, more mastery points, exploration, etc etc) but to enjoy the map and the metas are not actually required. You have other higher, longer, goals? Well that’s progression and can come naturally as you play. Seriously I only “grinded” the Tyria Mastery Tree for autoloot and the Itziel mastery bar for poison immunity. I wanted that unlock right away and i worked for that, i was not forced, it doesnt felt a grind. I choose what to do.

5) yes you sometimes need someone else for some content but I can reliably say that more of the 70% of the maps is soloable. Now Champ HP and meta events are developed as group content and I see nothign wrong there.

6) Now this is something i can agree too. But is not an issue with hot but the megaserver/map instance system in general. The system as flaws that have to be fixed, but i have to say people are incredibly lazy and even if i enjoy organize meta, aspecially TD, sometimes is tiresome because people don’t listen and won’t to put a little work in there to succed. Bummer.

I’m honestly growing tired of those posts. I think I won’t reply that precicely as I’ve done now anymore. I mean, try to be honest with you and try to figure out if the stuff is really a grind and is hard or if is the people that is actually lazy and want everything day one with no work attached. That last thing seems more a social issue in too, and I see it often IRL too…meh..

Cheers

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges

To solo group content is to create a challenge where none existed. That doesn’t make the content itself challenging and only shows the opposite, that it’s not challenging for the intended amount of players.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

I can for example solo that HP with no problems whatsoever but honestly I won’t go to all the trouble of getting software in order to capture it then upload it.
If someone doubts me and wants to see it you’re welcome to hit me up in game and I’ll go do it live for you.

Gaaroth.2567:

raubvogel.5071:

I agree. Its not challening its just annoying. Why? Many reasons have already been posted.

- Too complex maps. Where do i have to go? Contested waypoints!
- Boring (CC rider thing) and annoying enemies (disappearing frogs).
- Too complex masterie system
- From end game is play what you want too you have to grind masteries
- You always need at least some one else for too much content
- If a map has a few people. People are rather taxiing out.

1) Map complex? I agree and that’s the good thing…don’t know how to reach a place? Learn the map. Even TD once you know the 4/5 entrances the subareas besides Confluence, Lanes and Outposts is really straightforward
we don’t need to be on the same team. if you like it i’m okay with that

2) Ok, tell me how you’d make a combat more difficult, becauser more damage/defence apprently is booring (see fractals) and a smartar UI that can dodge, stealth and CC is booring too. Enlight me pls. I like how the mobs are in HoT maps, at least you have to activate a couple of neuron more than usual….
usually they overdue it. The rider is cc for too long. The frog is unloading and then disappearing. So where’s the battle. should i seek and/or wait for things to kill them. I’m moving on to the next enemy

3) Complex…mastery…system? Are you serious. I mean..is linear arguably the simpliest thing possible..what’s complex aobut masteries?
leveling is linear see below

4) You don’t have to grind them, you actually need there is the complexity and die grinding: just gliding, updraft, mushroom jumping and those are unlock casually in maybe the first 2 hour of gameplay? DOn’t tell me 2h is grind. Others are optional to unlock “special” stuff around (finish collections, more mastery points, exploration, etc etc) but to enjoy the map and the metas are not actually required. You have other higher, longer, goals? Well that’s progression and can come naturally as you play. Seriously I only “grinded” the Tyria Mastery Tree for autoloot and the Itziel mastery bar for poison immunity. I wanted that unlock right away and i worked for that, i was not forced, it doesnt felt a grind. I choose what to do.

5) yes you sometimes need someone else for some content but I can reliably say that more of the 70% of the maps is soloable. Now Champ HP and meta events are developed as group content and I see nothign wrong there.
i do because i want to progress and not spent my time in waiting for others

6) Now this is something i can agree too. But is not an issue with hot but the megaserver/map instance system in general. The system as flaws that have to be fixed, but i have to say people are incredibly lazy and even if i enjoy organize meta, aspecially TD, sometimes is tiresome because people don’t listen and won’t to put a little work in there to succed. Bummer.

I’m honestly growing tired of those posts. I think I won’t reply that precicely as I’ve done now anymore. I mean, try to be honest with you and try to figure out if the stuff is really a grind and is hard or if is the people that is actually lazy and want everything day one with no work attached. That last thing seems more a social issue in too, and I see it often IRL too…meh..
people like i want to play we got work in RL
Cheers

It is harder and more challenging:

• In Tyria you don’t matter in open world events in HoT u do
• In Tyria your build and armor don’t matter, in HoT they do
• In Tyria you can run across continent without getting hit 1x, HoT not so much [LOVEIT]
• In Tyria you need to work for your meta event, or do you? You just stand there for 5 people to complete, then taxi people in, ggg that’s so scumbaggy isnt it? HoT prevents that, either you work as a team or you don’t get T4
• In Tyria you don’t have to dodge ONCE, not even at Teq. Hi HoT snipers <3 best NPCs ever [LOVE THEM]
• In Tyria you don’t matter, in HoT you do.

I hope you got the bigger picture. Team Work, and personal contribution. Tyria has none of this and it’s boring for this reason, i’m so happy with HoT maps. I jsut wish servers were reacting differently, [closing small instances and not opening empty ones and saving your event participation while moving you always into better map]

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Honestly, the only challenging thing about this was timing it right so I could actually solo it, and not get someone jumping it to “help” mid fight.

Tommyknocker.6089:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Even if we do get a poster or two that can do such a thing, it means next to nothing (or should).

Those 1%ers will continue to speed run arah naked while watching youtube and eating dinner only to show that everyone else should GIT GUD & L2P. If only means that a very small portion of the community can do it, it doesn’t mean that they need to make all future content suit them, nor should ANet do so.

As has been said, challenge is subjective but building around only the best of the best will make for a very empty game full of only the elitists IMO.

And that’s the sad part, Anet seems to lean towards these 1%ers that tell others to GIT GUD & L2P.

Arrk.4102:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Honestly, the only challenging thing about this was timing it right so I could actually solo it, and not get someone jumping it to “help” mid fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGcJLnVyxHA

+1 I completely agree the worst part is not having other people constantly help you! Just did with no trinkets or clothes on rev, necro and war for kicks(mostly cause I’m bored). But every single time someone would jump in to finish boss after i had killed minions and almost got him ha ha.

The only challenging part is finding a decent group for raid.

rchu.8945:

Tommyknocker.6089:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Even if we do get a poster or two that can do such a thing, it means next to nothing (or should).

Those 1%ers will continue to speed run arah naked while watching youtube and eating dinner only to show that everyone else should GIT GUD & L2P. If only means that a very small portion of the community can do it, it doesn’t mean that they need to make all future content suit them, nor should ANet do so.

As has been said, challenge is subjective but building around only the best of the best will make for a very empty game full of only the elitists IMO.

And that’s the sad part, Anet seems to lean towards these 1%ers that tell others to GIT GUD & L2P.

i would disagree, Anet has not built the game around the 1%, in fact only the new raid is at a high end – and eventually that will be become accessable to all once the tactcs are well known and people stop being anal about builds.

vesica tempestas.1563:

rchu.8945:

Tommyknocker.6089:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Even if we do get a poster or two that can do such a thing, it means next to nothing (or should).

Those 1%ers will continue to speed run arah naked while watching youtube and eating dinner only to show that everyone else should GIT GUD & L2P. If only means that a very small portion of the community can do it, it doesn’t mean that they need to make all future content suit them, nor should ANet do so.

As has been said, challenge is subjective but building around only the best of the best will make for a very empty game full of only the elitists IMO.

And that’s the sad part, Anet seems to lean towards these 1%ers that tell others to GIT GUD & L2P.

i would disagree, Anet has not built the game around the 1%, in fact only the new raid is at a high end – and eventually that will be become accessable to all once the tactcs are well known and people stop being anal about builds.

I actually never said they have built the game around the 1% as up until now they have taken a more or less casual approach to the design of the game. My concern is that with their current focus on verticallity, esports, and raid content they will start to design towards that end.

You need look no further than the skins of the past being given out for minor achievement versus the new skins they have released. Adding to this is the exclusivity of the legendary armor for raids and raids alone. I believe I am not going out on to big a limb here to be concerned for the future.

Arrk.4102:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Honestly, the only challenging thing about this was timing it right so I could actually solo it, and not get someone jumping it to “help” mid fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGcJLnVyxHA

Thank you for making the effort, Arrk. Hopefully, some people will learn something from it.

Out of curiosity, does the Vet change each time it’s activated, or am I mis-remembering it as a Teragriff. I just got HoT and have only been there once.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Arrk.4102:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

Honestly, the only challenging thing about this was timing it right so I could actually solo it, and not get someone jumping it to “help” mid fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGcJLnVyxHA

Thank you for making the effort, Arrk. Hopefully, some people will learn something from it.

Out of curiosity, does the Vet change each time it’s activated, or am I mis-remembering it as a Teragriff. I just got HoT and have only been there once.

It does change every time, your memory is quite fine. It can be a Teragriff, a Leeching Thrasher, a Vile Thrasher, a Troll, a Husk or a Wolf. Though Leeching Thrasher is currently bugged, and does not attack you.

Mahou.3924:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

xarallei.4279:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d like the see those claiming HoT is not challenging link videos of themselves soloing stuff like, say, some of the Hero Challenges, maybe the one in VB with the Vet Teragriff, pack of wolves and mender. We might learn something.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but isn’t that one the easiest one to solo?

Forum warriors can claim anything. If HoT really offers no challenge to the OP, surely posting such a video should be trivial for him.

But posting that doesn’t prove anything. That is literally one of the easiest HPs to get in VB. Now if he had a video of him soloing it back when it was a champion then that would be an entirely different story. Or pick any one of the other champion HPs.

I disbelieve his claims, and I’m inviting him to prove me wrong. I’d accept a solo of that point as a modest declaration that he possesses some skill. If he believes that a greater challenge would be more informative, then he can have at it.

Look, I can solo that point, but I’m not going to go out of my way to make a video to show disbelieving players that I can solo it.

I think you are mistaking your position here. He doesn’t need to prove to himself that HoT is too easy. He experiences it. To him, making a video of himself soloing a Hero Point is akin to making a video explaining why the sky is blue. If anything, you should make videos of yourselves failing that HP, so then the OP can understand why it is so hard for others.

Just to get ridiculded by the god-skilled forum warriors in return where maybe 2-3 people actually would offer any helpful advice (other than in the specific profession sub-forum)? That would be the same as the forum warriors posting their OPness and in turn being labled as show-offs/braggers or so.

So you see how ridiculous the whole thing is? Posting a video to prove something isn’t hard is as equally silly as posting a video showing something is too hard. You’re doing it for indignant players, so why do it in the first place? The terms are ill-defined, so there are limitless ways to move the goal posts. In the end it accomplishes nothing.