Guild Wars 2

When HoT is released how many Hero Points will we need to buy all of the new skills/traits?

I googled for an answer and didn’t find one so sorry if this was already answered. I just want to make sure that all of my level 80s have enough.

I did find on the Wiki where it says each Core Specialization costs 60 Hero Points but the new Specializations, Druid, Scrapper, Tempest etc., are referred to as Elite. Here is the page that is on……..

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Specialization

250 per elite specialization as of last HoT beta per dat diving.

That just doesn’t seem right. More HP than exist in the game? And enough more that it will become a huge grind for alts even if the HP get added?

But note it’s 170 for skills/traits, the last 80 are for skins. Also note that datamining can be hideously inaccurate.

170 skill for skills/trait and 250 for everything isn’t too bad. It’s a bit of a grind for alts, but not that bad. I actually started a guild activity around that and it was pretty fun. I still tink it’s a bit too high, but manageable.

Where is start to be insane is when you think that we are suppose to have other elite specialisation in the future. If it take 250 pts to unlock everything, does that mean we gonna need 250 additional point in a year or two when the second set of elite will hit the game? Most players have around 200 on their main now, but for the second elite specialisation we gonna have to start from scrap and that will be a HUGE grind. Even for our main.

We’ll see at the expansion I guess. IMO around 100 to unlock all skill/trait and 150/200 to unlock everything would be better.

Donari.5237:

That just doesn’t seem right. More HP than exist in the game?

Technically, it’s only more HP than exist in the Core game. My expectation is that there will be more ways to get HP in HoT (or ANet should expect a lot of rage from anyone with more than 5 characters…and maybe even from those with fewer than 5).

250? ouch!

I burned through almost all of the scrolls I had on useless skills and such awhile ago because we could not get a good answer from anet about what would happen. There was a danger the scrolls would go poof with nothing to replace them.

AFAIK the training only listed the # of HP you needed to train everything when they switched over. So how do we know how many we need?

Considering we are only talking one trait line and a handful of skills that seems steep. Having the skins be for HP (rather than from some other means) is odd too.

Heh, I don’t think the number of alts causes the rage … well, a little. I’ve come to realize that not all 14 of my 80’s will be Elite-ready by HoT. The rage would come if none of my alts could achieve a full unlock. My alt with the most HP right now is my world completion Thief with 214, then my world completion Guardian with 204. Because, go figure, when they converted us to the new trait system I unlocked all the available skills and traits, I didn’t save out points to get the Elite. It didn’t seem likely to me they’d prevent us from being able to get everything, especially without warning people not to spend the irrevocable points that cannot be reset due to technical limitations (or so they said when people complained about how their initial new traits got spent on lower level alts).

So here is what I have as of today:
My main has:
- 100% Map completion (WvW included)
-Krait Shard in Home instance
-All base specs unlocked
-214 hero points unspent

So this leads me to think that the elite will be 214 since I cannot get anymore hero points. However, we can possibly get some hero points added to the Maguuma jungle that we did not see in the betas; though I find that hard to believe. Also data mining is not 100% accurate so do not rely on it all the time.

We don’t know yet is the answer.

Data-mining is not gospel. Until they tell us, it’s up in the air.

The last word/rumor/theory/insight/guess was that it would be relatively normal amount to unlock the traits and skills, but a significant investment to unlock the unique skins (that they’d be at the end of the line)

Would a Dev please confirm the specific amount if possible?

I would be realy disappointet if i had to grind all those points for my reaper. I mainly play spvp but i also enjoy to play the story. I rly love the design of some elite-sp. but when i have to collect so many points by doing sth i dont like…. hmn. Mehh.
I guess i wouldnt give Pve a try again and stick to PvP.
Pls dont hide one of your biggest features behind a grind for Pve. Also keep in Mind, that for PvP players the grind is even bigger bec we dont have so many HP allready colected then most Pve-Players.

Aren’t Elites automatically unlocked in PvP? Maybe not the skins, but all the Traits and Skills and mechanics?

Yes thats true. However, i also enjoy to play the story. In addition to that i want to play the story with all new features including the elite-specializations. But its simply not fun to run over 3 years old content to be able to play the new content. that makes no sense in multiple ways of design aspects.(lore, gameplay, interaction)
From what i have read in other forums, most people agree with this and dont want to farm those points with all their characters.
I just hope that the devs will note our discussion and give us a final answer. At the momenzee have just datamining informations.

Marvin.2847:

I would be realy disappointet if i had to grind all those points for my reaper. I mainly play spvp but i also enjoy to play the story. I rly love the design of some elite-sp. but when i have to collect so many points by doing sth i dont like…. hmn. Mehh.
I guess i wouldnt give Pve a try again and stick to PvP.
Pls dont hide one of your biggest features behind a grind for Pve. Also keep in Mind, that for PvP players the grind is even bigger bec we dont have so many HP allready colected then most Pve-Players.

Welcome to the club. Because I burned through them when there was all the confusion over the HP/shard system (it seemed it was ‘use them or lose them’) I only have about 30 or 40 for each of my characters. No more getting a dozen points every other time I level like when I was on my way to 80 either. I am leveling my 8th 80 and am on track to have an 80 in each class when HOT drops.

Hey anet! Do this and I will have to grind all 8 of those characters and you took away scroll drops. Which means the slot for revenant will be the last one I buy for awhile. Way to go!

@donari, 80 points for skins?? I’m a newish player, what do you mean? Weapon and armor skins?

Edit, found out what it is, new mastery track?
Edit again, mastery points are completely separate, confused now.

Loki.9412:

@donari, 80 points for skins?? I’m a newish player, what do you mean? Weapon and armor skins?

Edit, found out what it is, new mastery track?
Edit again, mastery points are completely separate, confused now.

The Elite Specializations each come with new weapon and armor skins to unlock with Hero Points. You can see them in the reveal pictures, usually.

Just found it on wiki, reaper reward track unlocks unique gs and light helm skin. But 80 points? Furthermore, is there any more info on these reward tracks and how they function, I assume that the come HoT, we will have to spend points in a skill track (shouts) and a trait track (reaper) to unlock abilities much like we do now with existing skills and trait lines. How do these reward tracks differ? Is it purely cosmetic, and separate from mastery points? I’ve tried looking on wiki but all it says is that they will be in the game, nothing more.

You can see the data-mined example of how one would unlock the skins via the link above (Konig’s).

This may, or may not, reflect the final implementation. Perhaps, we will know more after this weekend’s BWE, or we may have to wait for another Deep Dive, or ultimately, launch.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

Would a Dev please confirm the specific amount if possible?

They might not know yet (i.e. still tweaking things). And if they did know, it’s not likely that they would tell us — they usually want us to wait for launch/update to find out most details.

There is precedent, but it tends to be vague, e.g. for the introduction of specializations, they told us that [leveling up to 80 would grant enough Hero Points to unlock all specializations] — I don’t remembering them confirming the exact number.

Given what we’ve seen in Beta’s so far, I have to question the 250 point final count. So far, all interactive points of power have been for mastery points, not hero points. I’m also curious as to a final count, but I believe that 250 is way too high.