Guild Wars 2

Just so accurate!

Yup I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also agree. Good post!

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

I only see people complaining about elite spec. pretty sure who ever claim that “we want everything right now” have reading disability.

Beldin.5498:

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

Have you tried opening an LFG to get hero points?

MSFone.3026:

For people who keep claiming that others want everything given to them, I hope I can put that one response to bed:

I am fine working and waiting for ascended gear.
I am fine working and waiting for skins.
I am fine working and waiting for a title.
I am fine working and waiting for masteries.
I am fine working and waiting to unlock playable content (ex: fractals).

I’m fine working and waiting for basically anything except:
Traits and skills, i.e., builds
exotic gear.

I don’t want everything, most people posting agree with the above, so please stop with the we want everything handed to us crap, we don’t.

People have a specific request: Let us unlock and play with the elite specs and go through the expac with that spec. It’s not asking everything, it’s asking for that one thing only.

I actually don’t want everything handed to me, in fact I want the opposite: I’d like to progress and work towards many different goals, at my own pace, using the build I want.

If they would just make elite specs a 60 hp unlock like the rest 99% of the qq about HoT would be gone instantly. It is all people are asking for, and it’s very reasonable.

Yes but some people want progression, and its not progression if you get your heroic spec immediately.

pfanne.9783:

Beldin.5498:

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

Have you tried opening an LFG to get hero points?

Nope, since i normally like to play at my own pace and take often a break because
of different reasons. And so the whole design of HoT zones are simply totally
unmotivating for me since alone you are stuned, knocked down and whatever
all the time especially when a beetle vet with 3-4 adds adds to a mushroom vet
with also 3-4 adds .. and you can’t do anything than lying on the floor waiting
for your death.

So as long as Necros don’t get skills that give 1,5 minutes stability ever 2 minutes
or whatever, my motivation to go into those areas is -1

Beldin.5498:

pfanne.9783:

Beldin.5498:

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

Have you tried opening an LFG to get hero points?

Nope, since i normally like to play at my own pace and take often a break because
of different reasons. And so the whole design of HoT zones are simply totally
unmotivating for me since alone you are stuned, knocked down and whatever
all the time especially when a beetle vet with 3-4 adds adds to a mushroom vet
with also 3-4 adds .. and you can’t do anything than lying on the floor waiting
for your death.

So as long as Necros don’t get skills that give 1,5 minutes stability ever 2 minutes
or whatever, my motivation to go into those areas is -1

Why do you try to win fights against enemies that obviously seem to be too hard for you? Wait for some other players to arrive or go somewhere else. Not everything is meant to be done alone on the first try.
And alot of people don’t mind teammates going afk for a bit. Just tell them upfront you might have to leave from time to time. They will probably just happily keep doing other stuff as a team of 4.

MSFone.3026:

For people who keep claiming that others want everything given to them, I hope I can put that one response to bed:

I am fine working and waiting for ascended gear.
I am fine working and waiting for skins.
I am fine working and waiting for a title.
I am fine working and waiting for masteries.
I am fine working and waiting to unlock playable content (ex: fractals).

I’m fine working and waiting for basically anything except:
Traits and skills, i.e., builds
exotic gear.

I don’t want everything, most people posting agree with the above, so please stop with the we want everything handed to us crap, we don’t.

People have a specific request: Let us unlock and play with the elite specs and go through the expac with that spec. It’s not asking everything, it’s asking for that one thing only.

I actually don’t want everything handed to me, in fact I want the opposite: I’d like to progress and work towards many different goals, at my own pace, using the build I want.

If they would just make elite specs a 60 hp unlock like the rest 99% of the qq about HoT would be gone instantly. It is all people are asking for, and it’s very reasonable.

Unfortunately you’re dealing with people who simply can’t process the hero elite problem as anything other than a total cave if anet changes it and by extension the end of the world as we know it. Fortunately the vast majority wants it changed so anet will change it.

MSFone.3026:

People have a specific request: Let us unlock and play with the elite specs and go through the expac with that spec. It’s not asking everything, it’s asking for that one thing only.

I actually don’t want everything handed to me, in fact I want the opposite: I’d like to progress and work towards many different goals, at my own pace, using the build I want.

If they would just make elite specs a 60 hp unlock like the rest 99% of the qq about HoT would be gone instantly. It is all people are asking for, and it’s very reasonable.

I really don’t see the problem here.
This is still an RPG. Those heavily feature progressive learning of your stats, skills and abilities as a metaphor of your character getting stronger and more knowledgeable.
You invest 60 hp(and who doesn’t have 60hp on a lvl80 character?) to unlock the weaponskills and base stuff of the new specialization.
And now progressively as your character gains experience with said specialization you unlock new traits and utilities. This fits perfectly into the narritive of an RPG.
I really don’t see why people are making such a big deal out of this.

pfanne.9783:

Beldin.5498:

pfanne.9783:

Beldin.5498:

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

Have you tried opening an LFG to get hero points?

Nope, since i normally like to play at my own pace and take often a break because
of different reasons. And so the whole design of HoT zones are simply totally
unmotivating for me since alone you are stuned, knocked down and whatever
all the time especially when a beetle vet with 3-4 adds adds to a mushroom vet
with also 3-4 adds .. and you can’t do anything than lying on the floor waiting
for your death.

So as long as Necros don’t get skills that give 1,5 minutes stability ever 2 minutes
or whatever, my motivation to go into those areas is -1

Why do you try to win fights against enemies that obviously seem to be too hard for you? Wait for some other players to arrive or go somewhere else. Not everything is meant to be done alone on the first try.
And alot of people don’t mind teammates going afk for a bit. Just tell them upfront you might have to leave from time to time. They will probably just happily keep doing other stuff as a team of 4.

Because i just wanted to reach the second WP in the new area and those mobs #
were in the way, and there was no way to get around them ?

And yeah .. after that i left that area since i saw nothing i could do there and also
no player around to help .. oh one player was there while i lay dead on the ground
but he just tried to train through them .. and had invis as a thief

And also i already stood 15-20 minutes at the first WP and was looking for players
running in that direction ..

I agree, it’s the worst kind of grinding progression.

100% agree with the OP.
Even if they reduced the cost to 60HP so it’s on par with the rest of the trait lines it would be okay.

My issue is that I play WvW, pretty much exclusively these days, though I occasionally dabble in JPs and that sort of thing.
I feel like I’m being forced to go into these new maps, which are a maze with no clear indication of where to go for the next quest, to get masteries (I have 1 level after 5 hours in the jungle! and most of that was spent getting lost and falling to my death)
I have to get masteries, because otherwise I cannot play my new Revanant in WvW effectively… I cannot just do it in WvW, because the levelling rate is so slow (4HP per wvw rank PER CHARACTER), it took me 4 months to get 500 levels across all my characters…

If we had elite specs in MUCH less time, without a requirement for PvE if you don’t like that sort of thing, people’s complaints would massively drop.
The people complaining about the grind in PvE are doing so because they feel forced to be in a gametype they don’t particularly like.

inch.3769:

Yes but some people want progression, and its not progression if you get your heroic spec immediately.

It’s not even a heroic spec though, really… I mean, it’s a class variation hamfisted into an alternate weapon, dressed up to look like more than it is.

I’m sure the elite specs are cool and all, but when you break it down, they are basically a way of playing your class a bit differently that isn’t necessarily any better than the original ways. If elite specs were truly elite, I could see your reasoning, but as far as I can tell, they are every bit as average as the existing ones. They are just new and different and not finely tuned yet.

Hate to break the illusion, but the illusion is the only reason I can see for gating them so hard.

Just remove leveling up as requirement from the Mastery System, I’m totally fine than.

I don’t care if they make Mastery Points harder to get, but don’t make me do “Specific map events” just to grind together small amounts of experience to level up :/

I cannot fathom why people don’t want to play the game they paid 50 bucks for. Take your time, savor the content, and remember that it’s not a race. Masteries are account-wide, so you only have to obtain them once. People cried for difficult PvE content for two years, now they have it and they won’t stop whining about it taking time.

Stormbolt.7293:

I cannot fathom why people don’t want to play the game they paid 50 bucks for. Take your time, savor the content, and remember that it’s not a race. Masteries are account-wide, so you only have to obtain them once. People cried for difficult PvE content for two years, now they have it and they won’t stop whining about it taking time.

They’re asking for the classes to be unlocked right from the get-go so they can play a new way and experience the game in a new way, WHILE devouring the new content. They aren’t begging for free legendaries, or to immediately have access to everything, even though it’d be nice to not grind through weeks of bullcrap just to actually see the raids that they’ve been teasing us all with.

RyuKaiser.7302:

Stormbolt.7293:

I cannot fathom why people don’t want to play the game they paid 50 bucks for. Take your time, savor the content, and remember that it’s not a race. Masteries are account-wide, so you only have to obtain them once. People cried for difficult PvE content for two years, now they have it and they won’t stop whining about it taking time.

They’re asking for the classes to be unlocked right from the get-go so they can play a new way and experience the game in a new way, WHILE devouring the new content. They aren’t begging for free legendaries, or to immediately have access to everything, even though it’d be nice to not grind through weeks of bullcrap just to actually see the raids that they’ve been teasing us all with.

The class itself doesn’t take a whole lot to unlock. I have enough points on almost all my alts without even trying. Unlock the base class, equip it, and enjoy the feeling of getting stronger as you complete hero challenges.

Stormbolt.7293:

RyuKaiser.7302:

Stormbolt.7293:

I cannot fathom why people don’t want to play the game they paid 50 bucks for. Take your time, savor the content, and remember that it’s not a race. Masteries are account-wide, so you only have to obtain them once. People cried for difficult PvE content for two years, now they have it and they won’t stop whining about it taking time.

They’re asking for the classes to be unlocked right from the get-go so they can play a new way and experience the game in a new way, WHILE devouring the new content. They aren’t begging for free legendaries, or to immediately have access to everything, even though it’d be nice to not grind through weeks of bullcrap just to actually see the raids that they’ve been teasing us all with.

The class itself doesn’t take a whole lot to unlock. I have enough points on almost all my alts without even trying. Unlock the base class, equip it, and enjoy the feeling of getting stronger as you complete hero challenges.

You arent getting stronger. You’re gimping yourself way below what you could be doing with full trait lines. You’re starting off weaker. You’re making it harder on yourself so you can eventually be on par with your old spec? It just doesnt make sense.

pfanne.9783:

and who doesn’t have 60hp on a lvl80 character?

12 toons with only 3 having 60pts or more (180pts for my top chap) from 5000+ hours

Answer your question?

Stormbolt.7293:

I cannot fathom why people don’t want to play the game they paid 50 bucks for. Take your time, savor the content, and remember that it’s not a race. Masteries are account-wide, so you only have to obtain them once. People cried for difficult PvE content for two years, now they have it and they won’t stop whining about it taking time.

They want to play the game they bought. They want to play it as the class they bought it for, not finish playing it and then get the class they bought it to play once they have nothing left to play.

FYI, the content isn’t difficult in most cases, it actually doesn’t scale based on the number of players, so it ends up turning into either being literally impossible if your class doesn’t have the DPS to beat the timer solo, or ridiculously easy if you have multiple people.

My character stood at the bank and I was blinded by all the flashes from people using consumables to level up their characters as quickly as possible.

A large chunk of complaints are coming from people who want their elite spec so they can enjoy content as said spec. Another large chunk is people mad because story is locked behind the ultra grindy masteries. And yet another chunk is folks mad about having to play PvE content to unlock the elite spec when they only PvP/WvW.

Once those 3 problems are solved the complaints would take a nose dive.

Guardian of Angels.9867:

Just remove leveling up as requirement from the Mastery System, I’m totally fine than.

Ooh! i like that idea!

I disagree. I think you should work hard for elite specs. Now they are too easy to get (maybe not easy for casual players with low skill, not sure why some people complain on forums).

Keep in mind they just moved the ascended goalposts to make something that was asininely expensive already even more so.

Archy.1046:

I disagree. I think you should work hard for elite specs. Now they are too easy to get (maybe not easy for casual players with low skill, not sure why some people complain on forums).

Wow

Beldin.5498:

I wouldn’t even complain about grinding the hero points if they were at least
soloable and don’t need a group .. and also don’t give any reward to players that
already made them, so nobody is interested helping you.

The game isn’t “solo-able” at all.

Many know that big rewards and baddest bosses are only for large groups – all small groups are out of luck as are small guilds of one, two or ten.

inch.3769:

MSFone.3026:

For people who keep claiming that others want everything given to them, I hope I can put that one response to bed:

I am fine working and waiting for ascended gear.
I am fine working and waiting for skins.
I am fine working and waiting for a title.
I am fine working and waiting for masteries.
I am fine working and waiting to unlock playable content (ex: fractals).

I’m fine working and waiting for basically anything except:
Traits and skills, i.e., builds
exotic gear.

I don’t want everything, most people posting agree with the above, so please stop with the we want everything handed to us crap, we don’t.

People have a specific request: Let us unlock and play with the elite specs and go through the expac with that spec. It’s not asking everything, it’s asking for that one thing only.

I actually don’t want everything handed to me, in fact I want the opposite: I’d like to progress and work towards many different goals, at my own pace, using the build I want.

If they would just make elite specs a 60 hp unlock like the rest 99% of the qq about HoT would be gone instantly. It is all people are asking for, and it’s very reasonable.

Yes but some people want progression, and its not progression if you get your heroic spec immediately.

That’s what masteries are for.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Keep in mind they just moved the ascended goalposts to make something that was asininely expensive already even more so.

Totally, absolutely and sadly the truth.

Players aren’t the focus – if we were, the thousands who have given up the game and those who are still fighting tooth and nail for it wouldn’t be so obviously upset and outspoken.