Guild Wars 2

So the last few days I’ve thrown on a mentor tag and spammed map chat for up to 20 minutes to get 2 to 3 other people to join me for these Champion hero points. It’s not fun and should be changed to match the first maps changes.

I see other players that have already done it running past as the rewards are terrible and don’t encourage anyone to complete them again after getting their points.

My favorite is getting yelled at for not helping with META events and people saying HPs should be disabled during them. Well if the HPs didn’t take 4+ people and 20 minutes to gather a group i’m sure people would be more willing to do them at a more convenient time.

I’m sure i’ll get lots of blah blah MMORPG, blah blah Elitism. I have full elite specs trained on 3 characters and running the rest of my alts through is getting worse and worse as the majority of players have what they wanted trained.

They need to add some type of reward for doing hero points more than once. The issue is that many people will simply farm those hero points non-stop unless ANET somehow limits this. Not sure really what can be done other than reducing all champs to vets. Kinda bummer for ANET as they wanted the experience to be epic.

velmeister.4187:

They need to add some type of reward for doing hero points more than once. The issue is that many people will simply farm those hero points non-stop unless ANET somehow limits this. Not sure really what can be done other than reducing all champs to vets. Kinda bummer for ANET as they wanted the experience to be epic.

There IS a reward to doing a hero challenge more than once. It isn’t more HP though. You get event rewards in terms of xp, karma and (newly added in HoT) Gear, usually consisting of at least one zone-specific bag and a small number of zone-specific keys.

Also: I really hope they don’t. Not that I like fighting champs solo by any means, that can be changed. I mean they bugged out Treacherous paths HP for me and now it doesn’t give map-completion (even though I got the HP from it, it is still marked as ‘unfinished’). If overhauling the rest of the HP’s will introduce more bugs like this, I’ll take my chances with the champs.

I haven’t reached the point of desperation yet, but I’m getting close. Like you, I have 3 done. I have a 4th almost done and with 9 characters in total, 5 more to go.

Just tonight, I wanted to do Chak HP and asked in map chat while meta event was going on. Didn’t get any responses other than someone saying that more are needed at meta event. Like a passive-aggressive way of saying, “Don’t help with HP, come help with events.”

One other guy was around though and LFG search got two more, so we pulled it off with 4 and it wasn’t too bad, since the respawn is right nearby. Right now, I’m focusing almost entirely on elite specs, hoping I can get them done before the disinterest reaches its peak. I’m not relying on Anet to help me on this one. Their “compromise” was helpful, but not nearly enough to address the alt pain.

As it is, I find myself crawling back to old zones on alts when the pressure of Champ HPs bears down on me. But the pace of the old zone HPs, with each of them giving 1 per, is such a staggering contrast in time spent, especially when I have to run around a large map tracking down each one (on top of the fact that I’d rather be progressing maguuma masteries with the XP gain)… I’d almost rather stand around waiting for a group to do a +10 challenge.

It took me 8 days to finish my Berserker spec, and I noticed a SUBSTANTIAL decline in the amount of people actively working on HP’s throughout that time. It got to the point where it was actually faster to run EotM and grind WvW levels for HP than to actually go to the new zones and get groups for them.

I will NEVER level any of my alts in this game because of this system.

bLind.6278:

It took me 8 days to finish my Berserker spec, and I noticed a SUBSTANTIAL decline in the amount of people actively working on HP’s throughout that time. It got to the point where it was actually faster to run EotM and grind WvW levels for HP than to actually go to the new zones and get groups for them.

I will NEVER level any of my alts in this game because of this system.

Out of curiosity, how is EotM in general now for rewards? I saw some nerfs in HoT patch notes, but I haven’t checked it out since.

Alone.1784:

My favorite is getting yelled at for not helping with META events and people saying HPs should be disabled during them. Well if the HPs didn’t take 4+ people and 20 minutes to gather a group i’m sure people would be more willing to do them at a more convenient time.

Yeah, I believe the map completion items should be soloable. I’ve been camping Hero Challenges, waiting for help, more often than not. Problem is, once the meta is successfully completed, most people seem to move on and do something else on another map and again there isn’t much help to call upon.

bLind.6278:

It took me 8 days to finish my Berserker spec, and I noticed a SUBSTANTIAL decline in the amount of people actively working on HP’s throughout that time. It got to the point where it was actually faster to run EotM and grind WvW levels for HP than to actually go to the new zones and get groups for them.

I will NEVER level any of my alts in this game because of this system.

I with you, man. The Elite Specialization, the biggest draw for me pre-release, is now the most frustrating and bungled aspect of the expansion pack.

And it will get worse when the shiny new xpac hype fades away (as it does in all major MMOs), the early Magus Falls maps become ghost towns, and the hero points therein are utter abandoned.

Hero challenges should be exactly that!

They should be a “challenge” for anyone doing them but not impossible to the point where you need a group.

This is especially frustrating when you work your way painstakingly up to the canopy for a hero point only for there to be nobody to help and nobody responding in chat. You decide after waiting ages to go try somewhere else only to find minutes later someone in map chat at the challenge you where at previously.

The elitists will cry and complain but something definitely needs to be done.

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Alone.1784:

So the last few days I’ve thrown on a mentor tag and spammed map chat for up to 20 minutes to get 2 to 3 other people to join me for these Champion hero points. It’s not fun and should be changed to match the first maps changes.

I see other players that have already done it running past as the rewards are terrible and don’t encourage anyone to complete them again after getting their points.

My favorite is getting yelled at for not helping with META events and people saying HPs should be disabled during them. Well if the HPs didn’t take 4+ people and 20 minutes to gather a group i’m sure people would be more willing to do them at a more convenient time.

I’m sure i’ll get lots of blah blah MMORPG, blah blah Elitism. I have full elite specs trained on 3 characters and running the rest of my alts through is getting worse and worse as the majority of players have what they wanted trained.

What’s happened is you’ve missed the swarm/herd they came though at launch and stayed up 24/7 clearing all the maps. Well the swarm has for the most part, gotten what they wanted out of HoT. Some are back in other games, some are camping meta events, etc… but what they are not doing is going after HP points again on the alts as fast as ANet must have assumed.

So the maps are pretty dead and what once took 3-5 minutes because of the insanely large server populations now takes 20-30 minutes. This is a great time to point out why the “herd” that storms the launch gate should never be listened to. As they were all up in arms about the 400 HP requirement being dropped to 250, they were also rushing though all the content running with the herd. Since it only took them 5 minutes to cap each hero challenge they lack the insight to understand how much more difficult and tedious it has become.

Hero challenges should never be forced group content, you need them for elite specs and map completion. Requiring you to depend on the whims of other players to do something that the rest of the game let you do by yourself is bad game design.

wolfshirt.8459:

bLind.6278:

It took me 8 days to finish my Berserker spec, and I noticed a SUBSTANTIAL decline in the amount of people actively working on HP’s throughout that time. It got to the point where it was actually faster to run EotM and grind WvW levels for HP than to actually go to the new zones and get groups for them.

I will NEVER level any of my alts in this game because of this system.

I with you, man. The Elite Specialization, the biggest draw for me pre-release, is now the most frustrating and bungled aspect of the expansion pack.

Run through all the other areas first and get all the HP from them. Will leave you with needing around 4 HP challenges in the HoT areas to finish an elite spec, which is easily done.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Hero challenges should never be forced group content, you need them for elite specs and map completion. Requiring you to depend on the whims of other players to do something that the rest of the game let you do by yourself is bad game design.

See, that’s the thing. Hero Challenges have always been soloable. There’s plenty of group content on each map that it wouldn’t matter really if the map completion items were soloable.

Ok then, I say do that and reduce the HP you gain down to one per HP like in Tyria. Then spread 10 of them around per HP they nerf like that. Have fun.

TexZero.7910:

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Oh, put a sock in the passive-aggressive “be more social” mantra. I’ve been playing this game for over a year now (albeit with a few breaks), I’ve done almost entirely open world content, and in all of that “group” content, I probably have an actual conversation 1 out of every 1,000 events, if that.

Most of it is “thanks” for rezzes, if that, or “thanks for the help” (and variations of) if people help each other out on a HP. Unless you go out of your way to go in teamspeak or something, the game isn’t even friendly for getting to know people in open world because the nature of event chains means that much of your time spent is killing, surviving, and running to the next event. Time for typing out words for long conversations is rare. Voice chat is far easier to talk in while playing, but the game itself does not encourage this in any way.

So don’t give people crap about making friends, as if they are asocial losers. The so-called “group” content (90% of the events and virtually every HP) doesn’t even require social interaction. It just requires the presence of other players.

Don’t conflate social and group because, believe it or not, they are not the same thing in this context. Raids will be a different story, I’m sure, and raids are true social group content. Open world content in this game provides a feeling of solidarity. That’s most of what it does.

Labjax.2465:

TexZero.7910:

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Oh, put a sock in the passive-aggressive “be more social” mantra. I’ve been playing this game for over a year now (albeit with a few breaks), I’ve done almost entirely open world content, and in all of that “group” content, I probably have an actual conversation 1 out of every 1,000 events, if that.

Most of it is “thanks” for rezzes, if that, or “thanks for the help” (and variations of) if people help each other out on a HP. Unless you go out of your way to go in teamspeak or something, the game isn’t even friendly for getting to know people in open world because the nature of event chains means that much of your time spent is killing, surviving, and running to the next event. Time for typing out words for long conversations is rare. Voice chat is far easier to talk in while playing, but the game itself does not encourage this in any way.

So don’t give people crap about making friends, as if they are asocial losers. The so-called “group” content (90% of the events and virtually every HP) doesn’t even require social interaction. It just requires the presence of other players.

Don’t conflate social and group because, believe it or not, they are not the same thing in this context. Raids will be a different story, I’m sure, and raids are true social group content. Open world content in this game provides a feeling of solidarity. That’s most of what it does.

So let me get this straight you really don’t get that if you have friends you can get those “Hard Hero Points” done ?

Gotcha, funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor. Either get friends or get good enough to solo the content

TexZero.7910:

So let me get this straight you really don’t get that if you have friends you can get those “Hard Hero Points” done ?

Gotcha, funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor. Either get friends or get good enough to solo the content

Still some work needed on your P/A issue.

TexZero.7910:

funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor.

This makes zero sense. The people that asked for challenging content aren’t the ones wanting it to be iterated…

TexZero.7910:

Labjax.2465:

TexZero.7910:

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Oh, put a sock in the passive-aggressive “be more social” mantra. I’ve been playing this game for over a year now (albeit with a few breaks), I’ve done almost entirely open world content, and in all of that “group” content, I probably have an actual conversation 1 out of every 1,000 events, if that.

Most of it is “thanks” for rezzes, if that, or “thanks for the help” (and variations of) if people help each other out on a HP. Unless you go out of your way to go in teamspeak or something, the game isn’t even friendly for getting to know people in open world because the nature of event chains means that much of your time spent is killing, surviving, and running to the next event. Time for typing out words for long conversations is rare. Voice chat is far easier to talk in while playing, but the game itself does not encourage this in any way.

So don’t give people crap about making friends, as if they are asocial losers. The so-called “group” content (90% of the events and virtually every HP) doesn’t even require social interaction. It just requires the presence of other players.

Don’t conflate social and group because, believe it or not, they are not the same thing in this context. Raids will be a different story, I’m sure, and raids are true social group content. Open world content in this game provides a feeling of solidarity. That’s most of what it does.

So let me get this straight you really don’t get that if you have friends you can get those “Hard Hero Points” done ?

Gotcha, funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor. Either get friends or get good enough to solo the content

Don’t tell someone to Get Better™ and find more people to play with if you’re not also offering to help them.

It’s fine the way it is. You have enough easy HPs to get 250 point. I just helped my friend get his elite spec fully unlocked yesterday. It was all done in HoT map and not once did we ask help from others except the Vampire Broodmother, that one has clunky mechanic anyway . Leave some challenges for people who want them. If you’re running a zerk thief and have a problem with it, then it’s your problem.

Geee. I’m not a hardcore elitist but HoT is such a refreshment from the bore-fest old Tyrian map. Don’t dumb it down to that level.

I am on my 3rd character (Herald) and just maxed the class yesterday… after 3 days (used scrolls to 80); with that said, it’s really no big deal to get the hero points to max out. I found someone on map chat and we did about 7-10 challenges together in Auric Basin and Tangled Roots, was a lot of fun we had together. That’s what I understand is the essence of an MMO. Go out there find some people, maybe it’s a good idea to play on peak hours. And no, I never had any issues to find people, sometimes it takes a bit time and I don’t even use commander/mentor tag.

TexZero.7910:

So let me get this straight you really don’t get that if you have friends you can get those “Hard Hero Points” done ?

Gotcha, funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor. Either get friends or get good enough to solo the content

Somehow I don’t believe that you read a single word I said.

I like the hero challenges. The timer is 10 minutes now and it is (mostly) possible to get it done alone (with most classes) in this time limit. While I appreciate the challenge, maybe it can be improved.

1) Reduce the timer to 5 minutes again and reduce the health of the champion. If a player doesn’t understand the mechanic of the fight he will be killed anyway. If a player gets the mechanic it’s enough to fight for 5 minutes.

If you bring a zerg it does not matter if the mob health is half than what it used to be, it’ll die anyway.

2) Or just remove the timer completely. Then you can take as long as you need. It’ll probably feel like a real challenge if you killed a champion alone after a 15 minutes fight.

SmirkDog.3160:

TexZero.7910:

Labjax.2465:

TexZero.7910:

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Oh, put a sock in the passive-aggressive “be more social” mantra. I’ve been playing this game for over a year now (albeit with a few breaks), I’ve done almost entirely open world content, and in all of that “group” content, I probably have an actual conversation 1 out of every 1,000 events, if that.

Most of it is “thanks” for rezzes, if that, or “thanks for the help” (and variations of) if people help each other out on a HP. Unless you go out of your way to go in teamspeak or something, the game isn’t even friendly for getting to know people in open world because the nature of event chains means that much of your time spent is killing, surviving, and running to the next event. Time for typing out words for long conversations is rare. Voice chat is far easier to talk in while playing, but the game itself does not encourage this in any way.

So don’t give people crap about making friends, as if they are asocial losers. The so-called “group” content (90% of the events and virtually every HP) doesn’t even require social interaction. It just requires the presence of other players.

Don’t conflate social and group because, believe it or not, they are not the same thing in this context. Raids will be a different story, I’m sure, and raids are true social group content. Open world content in this game provides a feeling of solidarity. That’s most of what it does.

So let me get this straight you really don’t get that if you have friends you can get those “Hard Hero Points” done ?

Gotcha, funny how people want hard content then are so very quick to want it nerfed to the floor. Either get friends or get good enough to solo the content

Don’t tell someone to Get Better™ and find more people to play with if you’re not also offering to help them.

Doesn’t seem like any of them are asking for help. All i see is the straight out refusal to participate as a group and the demand that Anet change content so they can solo it.

Maybe if they’d ask people would help. Just sayin’

i don’t undestand why they switched the Coztic Champ Hero’s Challenge location in Verdant Brink but made the old location as commune only. now there is one less event-based hero’s challenge. no more daily 26k exp from that Hero’s Challenge.

I’m still seeing people running HPs all the time. I rarely have to wait at a HP for long before a few others show up. All of them can be done with a standard group of 5 and some of the champs are even pretty easy with just 2. The way I think of it is…these hero points are worth 10 points! They should be 10 times more difficult than their Central Tyria counterparts. So having champs at many of them is appropriate. Too many aspects of the game (and games in general nowadays) are getting dumbed down and made easy for the instant gratification generation.

Eventually interest will wane and it will be hard to find randoms to help out with HPs. But that’s what guilds and friends are for. Form a group and hit all of them on a map for everyone. Also…yeah…it’s an MMO. If everything is soloable then that makes it a single player game.

TexZero.7910:

Doesn’t seem like any of them are asking for help. All i see is the straight out refusal to participate as a group and the demand that Anet change content so they can solo it.

Maybe if they’d ask people would help. Just sayin’

Maybe you’re out there rushing to help people asking for it but if you read my original post my experience has been putting on my mentor tag and spamming map for 20 minutes before I get anyone else to show up and help.

I’ve actually seen a number of people run by totally ignoring me waiting by the HP and I don’t blame them at all because the reward for redoing them after you’ve gotten your point is pathetic.

I really don’t get how people consider these challenging content, this is a numbers test plan and simple. I will fully admit I am not good enough to solo the Balthazar HP but I have done it 3 times with relative ease with a group of 5+ players though. I didn’t feel accomplished after getting the HP on my characters I felt relieved I was able to be there with enough others to never worry about it again.

All they have to do is scale the Hero Challenges to suit the number of players present, using technology already in the game since beta, make it a challenging but winnable fight for any number of players, and the problem would be permanently solved.

Why they didn’t do that from the start is a mystery, but the fact that they didn’t is what has inevitably led to the need for quick fixes that are much less satisfying. We really don’t need more places to commune; good fights are a lot more fun.

Should they also properly scale the content throughout Heart of Thorns, the zones would be much more appealing, would still offer plenty of challenge, and generate a lot less ugliness in both the game and the forums.

Boysenberry.1869:

I’m still seeing people running HPs all the time. I rarely have to wait at a HP for long before a few others show up. All of them can be done with a standard group of 5 and some of the champs are even pretty easy with just 2. The way I think of it is…these hero points are worth 10 points! They should be 10 times more difficult than their Central Tyria counterparts. So having champs at many of them is appropriate. Too many aspects of the game (and games in general nowadays) are getting dumbed down and made easy for the instant gratification generation.

With that logic your elite spec should be 4 times as powerful as the regular lines since they cost so much more.

You think adjusting these to vets would be dumbing down the game? If I had a group of 5 people I could do all of these with ease. By myself I flat out can’t do some. That’s not challenging content that’s a numbers check.

I want a one time numbers check that is already taking 20+ minutes to accomplish brought down to solo-able. Ideally they would implement scaling, which is something I loved about the base game, to make it challenging for whatever number of people were there.

Still seeing…its been a week and already it’s a drag to find others to help on Hp for many. Suggestions of changing the times you play are laughable. Those of us with jobs can’t do this, nor do we have multiple hours of leisure time, so lfg, tagging, asking in map etc for 30 minutes in the hope someone comes along isn’t really what we call fun.

I love the find others to help brigade, you’ll see them running past on the way to the next meta event and taxi.

Asking others to come help in auric for the 109th time when they might want to be doing other stuff in their hour of leisure time isn’t much fun for them either.

Not everyone plays 12 hours a day.

Notsoperky.2348:

Still seeing…its been a week and already it’s a drag to find others to help on Hp for many. Suggestions of changing the times you play are laughable. Those of us with jobs can’t do this, nor do we have multiple hours of leisure time, so lfg, tagging, asking in map etc for 30 minutes in the hope someone comes along isn’t really what we call fun.

I love the find others to help brigade, you’ll see them running past on the way to the next meta event and taxi.

Asking others to come help in auric for the 109th time when they might want to be doing other stuff in their hour of leisure time isn’t much fun for them either.

Not everyone plays 12 hours a day.

Well said!

I had no issues to get them on my first characters last week, but I noticed lately a lot of people in the map are something like “Please come for HP at blue tag!”…“Anyone?”…“No one?”… etc…
And this is a week after release, it will get worse as the time passes imo.

Yep, even with the delays, people have cruised through the content and have left some maps deserted. God help you if you play the game during off-hours or have a job, family, or other requirements.

Agreed, ‘iterate’ the rest of the maps.

Pretty much l2p. Almost all of them can be duo’d and alot of them can be solo’d. The select few champs that spawn a bunch of vets along with the champ, need a group. You only need 250 hero points now and there are 400 hero points in Maguuma. Which means you can skip 15 of them. Map completion is broken right now so you have more than enough time to find a group for the remaining 15.

Verificus.4320:

Pretty much l2p

And how exactly is the discussion above a l2p issue?

The rest of your post made sense but people throw that l2p kitten out far to often.

Because every fight in Magus Falls is either “L2P” or “Just ask for help”.

Because it is. I’m not even a great player as I get completely stomped in PvP. I don’t have the reaction speed to respond when I see skill animations and try to interrupt. I press my stunbreakers a half a second late and get destroyed. Still, I can easily manage most of these challenges, all by myself. However, I treat all these Hero champs as a player. I find out their pattern, the attacks they use. What to dodge/what not. And maybe I died once or twice at first but once I get what to do I don’t die and there is enough time to kill it. It’s called dodging, being careful, using active defense, paying attention. E.g. that rolling arrowhead or w/e in Auric Basin. I see sooo many people dying there and literally let themselves get rolled over by that attack of his. I mean, stupid much? Occasionally I took risks there and might have been in it’s path aswell but then I dodge through it. Aside of those few times I simply kited it around until it died.

But the discussion isn’t solely about people not being able to solo them its about dead maps, asking for help and nobody turning up.

I agree most can be solo’d but there are several that can’t and when you make your way to one like up in the canopy and its a champion with vets and there is hardly anyone else in the map or if there is they are just unwilling to help its frustrating as hell.

Not really a l2p issue IMO.

So far 3 people seems enough for pretty much all challenges I’ve done, and Í’ve done enough to unlock my elite specialization.
I think a lot of the frustration seems to come from the fact that sometimes we get put into a slightly empty map. this does not mean the game is dead though, a ton of players are in different instances of that same map. Maybe this has always been an issue, except it’s far more noticeable in the expansion, as it actually requires a lot of players to be on the map before it can be played to its fulled extent.

There is a pretty good fix for this, yay! The lfg tool. I’ve been using the lfg tool for the last couple of days now and it has been a life saver. Just look for people doing the same map as you are, and you are pretty much being guaranteed a full map because people are actively being ferried in. This should enable you to do the hero points (worked for me at least).

As for nerfs, I really enjoy the fact that these hero points feel like an actual challenge, it gives you that feeling of “yesss, I got the point!” that you never had in the vanilla game. Also the fact that you need a couple of people (not a big team) is in my opinion completely acceptable: this is an mmo after all, and the xp + loot rewards make it worth killing the hp bosses even if you already have the point, considering how small the time investment is.

All of this considered I would be pretty sad to see more hps get nerfed.

Colly.4073:

I agree most can be solo’d but there are several that can’t and when you make your way to one like up in the canopy and its a champion with vets and there is hardly anyone else in the map or if there is they are just unwilling to help its frustrating as hell.

Ask friends, join a guild… If you can’t find 2 people to help you, it’s not Arena.net fault.

Lots of replies are still missing the point. In a few more weeks there will be very few people left on the maps and that are there will be doing events not looking to help.

Kulver pm me your guild leaders name pls I’d like to join. Then I can ask in guild chat for help in two months time and you are sure to drop whatever it is and come help my tenth toon to do that champ. Thanks in advance.

Colly.4073:

But the discussion isn’t solely about people not being able to solo them its about dead maps, asking for help and nobody turning up.

I agree most can be solo’d but there are several that can’t and when you make your way to one like up in the canopy and its a champion with vets and there is hardly anyone else in the map or if there is they are just unwilling to help its frustrating as hell.

Not really a l2p issue IMO.

The maps aren’t dead. If I could get a gold for every person that asks for HP help when the entire map is doing Tarir event I could get myself another legendary. It happens so often that people completely disregard the maps progress and just go about their own business and then expect other people to drop theirs aswell to help them out :/ Be smart about it. Ask for HP help after everyone is done opening chests or in the early stages of the pylon activation. Then people will come. Also, there is many people out there who are just the type of person that once they get what they need they dont bother helping out anyone else. So one might think the map is dead but in reality the map is quite alive but is filled with people that just don’t give a kitten if you need help or not. This is bad ofcourse but cannot be put on anets shoulders. The maps are not dead. You might get thrown into an empty one everyone now and again but I always play with people and I do mostly the big meta events and we always taxi the maps to full. I command often and even when a map has just started I always get a zerg going of at least 10 people. If all of those ten people don’t respond to people that ask for help, yeah well thats tough but its not a dead map issue. Thats why people say: make friends and l2p. Then you’re not dependent on random egotistical scrubs. Its easy to find a group or friends in an MMO game. Just be social. And getting better is a matter of practice. Be selfsufficient. And a final argument i’d like to make: if you play on EU, at least 75% of people originate from some backwater patriotic country that couldn’t communicate in proper english if their life depended on it. Most EU countries have very low skill level in english and they would even go as far as talking to you for a straight ten minutes in whatever alien language they speak in a way that is similar to a dog chasing it’s own tail for hours on end. Your pleas for help might be falling on deaf or funnily enough, ignorant ears. All of these things is something anet has absolutely no control over.

I’ll go ahead be rude and link to my suggestion from a few days back:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Suggestion-Selectable-Difficulty-for-HP-s

Notsoperky.2348:

Lots of replies are still missing the point. In a few more weeks there will be very few people left on the maps and that are there will be doing events not looking to help.

Kulver pm me your guild leaders name pls I’d like to join. Then I can ask in guild chat for help in two months time and you are sure to drop whatever it is and come help my tenth toon to do that champ. Thanks in advance.

Mega server means there’ll be people on the map. There are people on every map at every time of day. I’ve called out in map chat for help in Iron Marches, in Lornar’s Pass, in Sparkfly, in Straits, and someone virtually always shows.

The mega server means that if there aren’t many people doing the zone they’ll all be in the same map.

wolfshirt.8459:

bLind.6278:

It took me 8 days to finish my Berserker spec, and I noticed a SUBSTANTIAL decline in the amount of people actively working on HP’s throughout that time. It got to the point where it was actually faster to run EotM and grind WvW levels for HP than to actually go to the new zones and get groups for them.

I will NEVER level any of my alts in this game because of this system.

I with you, man. The Elite Specialization, the biggest draw for me pre-release, is now the most frustrating and bungled aspect of the expansion pack.

And it will get worse when the shiny new xpac hype fades away (as it does in all major MMOs), the early Magus Falls maps become ghost towns, and the hero points therein are utter abandoned.

Same here, it was the whole reason why I preordered ultimate. If they released the mechanics without the new regions I would have been happy. Most of my characters I was not even planning on taking into the new maps, but now I have to in order to get the specs for them I was sold in the first place. Right now I am busy with Halloween stuff and after that leveling up pact commander. I can not be on 24/7 either because of this thing called a life. It sounds like I will not have any chance at all to get the HPs I need, much less on all my characters.

Glad to see this as a top post.

I don’t mind challenge (I’m a little sad the Modrem snipers disappeared at the bottom of Verdant Brink, actually :P), but some of the Hero Points are still 2+ only. Champion frog+2 is probably the worst offender in Verdant Brink at the moment, especially when it’s surrounded by (veteran) wasps. It’s a fight that easily turns 5v1 with mobs that do way too much.

I get that the devs wanted the challenges to be hard, and thus more meaningful, but mechanical benefits shouldn’t be locked behind requiring a group.

Alone.1784:

I see other players that have already done it running past as the rewards are terrible and don’t encourage anyone to complete them again after getting their points.

My favorite is getting yelled at for not helping with META events and people saying HPs should be disabled during them.

Yeah, whats happened to the community in this game, no one responds in map chat, no one helps each other out anymore, people dont ress at bosses and events just ignore downed players……it surprised me when I came back for the expansion just how much its changed in teh months I’d been gone.

I try to help out where I can, I’ve done the Auric basin HPs so many times now! As I know how hard and annoying it is to get people to lend a hand when you want to unlock your elite spec and have fun with it. Its disheartening to have no one answer in chat at all when you just need a few more HPs to finish your spec off or get map completion.

As for the meta….well I can understand, they are hard enough to get done 100% as it is, and the people trying to get the meta done are annoyed by people not helping…and the people doing HPs are annoyed by no one helping them…..So much of this expansion just breeds frustration.

Vayne.8563:

Mega server means there’ll be people on the map. .

does not seam to be working in the new maps, as they seam empty most of the time, and you continually get the notification to move to a more populated map (which is also empty) and lose your map participation bonus if you do…..

Labjax.2465:

TexZero.7910:

Get friends, do the hero points.

Maybe, who knows you’ll actually find someone or a group of people you enjoy playing with. Which is the entire point of those challenges. They aren’t designed as solo content. The jungle was designed as group content from the group up.

Oh, put a sock in the passive-aggressive “be more social” mantra. I’ve been playing this game for over a year now (albeit with a few breaks), I’ve done almost entirely open world content, and in all of that “group” content, I probably have an actual conversation 1 out of every 1,000 events, if that.

Most of it is “thanks” for rezzes, if that, or “thanks for the help” (and variations of) if people help each other out on a HP. Unless you go out of your way to go in teamspeak or something, the game isn’t even friendly for getting to know people in open world because the nature of event chains means that much of your time spent is killing, surviving, and running to the next event. Time for typing out words for long conversations is rare. Voice chat is far easier to talk in while playing, but the game itself does not encourage this in any way.

So don’t give people crap about making friends, as if they are asocial losers. The so-called “group” content (90% of the events and virtually every HP) doesn’t even require social interaction. It just requires the presence of other players.

Don’t conflate social and group because, believe it or not, they are not the same thing in this context. Raids will be a different story, I’m sure, and raids are true social group content. Open world content in this game provides a feeling of solidarity. That’s most of what it does.

Same here, I do not really care as much about people thanking/saying yw for rezzes if there is a firefight going on around them. Both people are already busy ducking fire and making sure they do not wind up dead right after being revived. The few conversations have been either with people who knew me, guildies, people in a boss party, or people asking about the guild. I am not sure where these extremely social areas are that people always talk about.

So if the idea is being social to do HP it is a big fail.