Just Vote With Your Wallet
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60
I’m not buying until they add in a character slot. The revenant has been promised to be one of the key features for this expansion. If I can’t play it by paying the original price of the expansion, then it’ll feel like a scam.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60I’m not buying until they add in a character slot. The revenant has been promised to be one of the key features for this expansion. If I can’t play it by paying the original price of the expansion, then it’ll feel like a scam.
Or you could use one of your current character slots. I mean, no rule says you HAVE to buy a character slot.
For what its worth, I do agree they should have added a character slot for free; but it isn’t going to stop me.
But please, it isn’t stopping you from playing. There are other options.
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Either way, make what decision is best for you. But I swear, all this rage is just mind-boggling. Seriously, if I’d said “wow this is too expensive,” you know what I would do? I wouldn’t buy it. Maybe I’d move to another game.
I sure wouldn’t spend all this time on a forum shaking with virtual rage and vomiting my venom for all to read and see. Way I figure it, the company will do whatever they will do, and I’ll decide at that point whether its worth my time and money or not.
I mean, seeing posts like boycotting ANET, or wondering if they could be SUED for this? I mean, this is reaching utterly ridiculous proportions.
I just don’t see what venting the anger so vociferously is intended to gain, other than starting flame wars.
I think that hot should be about tee fifty.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60I’m not buying until they add in a character slot. The revenant has been promised to be one of the key features for this expansion. If I can’t play it by paying the original price of the expansion, then it’ll feel like a scam.
Or you could use one of your current character slots. I mean, no rule says you HAVE to buy a character slot.
For what its worth, I do agree they should have added a character slot for free; but it isn’t going to stop me.
But please, it isn’t stopping you from playing. There are other options.
My current character slots have all been paid for 3 years ago, they are mine to do what I want with them, and they have been filled out.
What other options are there? Paying $10 more to gain access to something that I should have by right upon paying the original expansion’s price?
Ideally we would like to see changes made prior to the release to make it more reasonable, but then they’ve been playing it so close to the vest that for all I know HOT actually does contain a 100% increase to the base game to justify paying the full price of a game, but I don’t think it does so $30 is much more realistic entry level price; but that’s alright, eventually probably right around the holiday season HOT will be on sale at a discount so I will buy it then for the realistic price point.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60
GW2 launches with 5 slots and 8 professions. World does not end.
HoT adds a profession but not a slot. World ends.
You’ve either lived without having every class in your stable for 3 years, learned to wipe a character and free up a slot when you wanted to try something new, or you’ve bought more character slots in the past. Which is it, and why have you lost that ability all of a sudden?
“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
This is part of voting with your wallet.
Step one: Don’t spend money.
Step Two: Provide clear feedback as to WHY you are holding on to your money, so that the person selling the good/services knows what they would need to do to get that wallet vote from you.
Some people are being a little flame-y about it, but it is the internet. So long as people aren’t being flat-out abusive the comments all have their place.
And voting with my wallet is what I intend to do. I’ll keep enjoying the content I have with the base game, and if the value proposition presented by HoT for it’s offered price doesn’t exceed the value proposition of all the other games I could buy with that same amount of money (And there was some cool stuff shown at E3) then the money will be spent there instead. Simple enough.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60GW2 launches with 5 slots and 8 professions. World does not end.
HoT adds a profession but not a slot. World ends.
You’ve either lived without having every class in your stable for 3 years, learned to wipe a character and free up a slot when you wanted to try something new, or you’ve bought more character slots in the past. Which is it, and why have you lost that ability all of a sudden?
What I have done with my paid account is personal and irrelevant to this issue.
If I buy a product that advertises a new class as one of its key features, and then I’m forced to churn $10 more to play with that class, then that will feel like a scam and leave a bad taste in my mouth. I haven’t got what I’ve paid for. There’s nothing else to understand here. Anet can do what they want, they are free to treat their costumers the way they want, and that’s what we are talking about; not about what or how I’ve filled character slots that I’ve paid for in the original purchase of this game.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60GW2 launches with 5 slots and 8 professions. World does not end.
HoT adds a profession but not a slot. World ends.
You’ve either lived without having every class in your stable for 3 years, learned to wipe a character and free up a slot when you wanted to try something new, or you’ve bought more character slots in the past. Which is it, and why have you lost that ability all of a sudden?
I had the worst experience when starting Gw2….they had 8 professions…i only had 5 character slots ;~; halp. (Sarcasm.) While i /kinda/ see why people are complaining…it seems really immature. People seem to feel that just because they are releasing a new profession that you’re obligated to get a free slot for it, when you should have 2-3 slots (If you’re not an altaholic like me who has 7, and was already anticipating having to get another for rev.) If people are infuriated with pre purchase and ‘lack of content’ There is an easy fix. Wait until they reveal more and then decide. Going on a crusade does not seem like an intelligent way to go about it…
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60GW2 launches with 5 slots and 8 professions. World does not end.
HoT adds a profession but not a slot. World ends.
You’ve either lived without having every class in your stable for 3 years, learned to wipe a character and free up a slot when you wanted to try something new, or you’ve bought more character slots in the past. Which is it, and why have you lost that ability all of a sudden?
What I have done with my paid account is personal and irrelevant to this issue.
If I buy a product that advertises a new class as one of its key features, and then I’m forced to churn $10 more to play with that class, then that will feel like a scam and leave a bad taste in my mouth. I haven’t got what I’ve paid for. There’s nothing else to understand here. Anet can do what they want, they are free to treat their costumers the way they want, and that’s what we are talking about; not about what or how I’ve filled character slots that I’ve paid for in the original purchase of this game.
But that’s just it, you do get the class with the expansion and no one is forcing you to spend anything beyond the $50.
But that’s just it, you do get the class with the expansion and no one is forcing you to spend anything beyond the $50.
Then tell me, what must I do to be able to play with a Revenant without having to pay an additional cost (be it with real money, massive farming or character deletion)?
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60GW2 launches with 5 slots and 8 professions. World does not end.
HoT adds a profession but not a slot. World ends.
You’ve either lived without having every class in your stable for 3 years, learned to wipe a character and free up a slot when you wanted to try something new, or you’ve bought more character slots in the past. Which is it, and why have you lost that ability all of a sudden?
GW1 launched with 6 professions and 4 character slots. The option to buy more slots didn’t get introduced until after the release of Factions.
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
-BnooMaGoo.5690
-BnooMaGoo.5690
But that’s just it, you do get the class with the expansion and no one is forcing you to spend anything beyond the $50.
Then tell me, what must I do to be able to play with a Revenant without having to pay an additional cost (be it with real money, massive farming or character deletion)?
Any of those work, and two out of three don’t cost you $10. You can make your own choices and it doesn’t matter to us what choices you make and how you make them, as you have already pointed out
But that’s just it, you do get the class with the expansion and no one is forcing you to spend anything beyond the $50.
Then tell me, what must I do to be able to play with a Revenant without having to pay an additional cost (be it with real money, massive farming or character deletion)?
You could use that free Gw2 account they’re giving you with it! (I’m joking and im sorry i had to say it! ;3)
The trick is that Anet will know your eventual vote.
People will buy anyways, people always buy anyways.
All the noise and maneuvering will result in nothing — like always.
The trick is that Anet will know your eventual vote.
People will buy anyways, people always buy anyways.
All the noise and maneuvering will result in nothing — like always.
And people got electrolytes!
Signed,
Frito
The trick is that Anet will know your eventual vote.
People will buy anyways, people always buy anyways.
All the noise and maneuvering will result in nothing — like always.
And people got electrolytes!
Signed,
Frito
You made my day all that much better, Thank you.
The trick is that Anet will know your eventual vote.
People will buy anyways, people always buy anyways.
All the noise and maneuvering will result in nothing — like always.
In that case:
HoT will always go on sale eventually anyways.
All the firmness and stubborness will result in nothing, they WILL discount the expansion when sales die down, like always.
So when we buy the game eventually anyways, “like always” it will be for a reasonable price.
Any of those work, and two out of three don’t cost you $10. You can make your own choices and it doesn’t matter to us what choices you make and how you make them, as you have already pointed out
You don’t seem to understand my point. Or, perhaps, you don’t want to understand it.
Any of those work, and two out of three don’t cost you $10. You can make your own choices and it doesn’t matter to us what choices you make and how you make them, as you have already pointed out
You don’t seem to understand my point. Or, perhaps, you don’t want to understand it.
Your point is that you didn’t get something you felt entitled to, even though there was no reason to expect that you would get it.
HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60I’m not buying until they add in a character slot. The revenant has been promised to be one of the key features for this expansion. If I can’t play it by paying the original price of the expansion, then it’ll feel like a scam.
Or you could use one of your current character slots. I mean, no rule says you HAVE to buy a character slot.
For what its worth, I do agree they should have added a character slot for free; but it isn’t going to stop me.
But please, it isn’t stopping you from playing. There are other options.
My current character slots have all been paid for 3 years ago, they are mine to do what I want with them, and they have been filled out.
What other options are there? Paying $10 more to gain access to something that I should have by right upon paying the original expansion’s price?
I didn’t say you had to LIKE the other options,, but yes, you could do that. You said it was stopping you from playing. I said, no, it’s not. You have at least three options to play, it’s not stopping you at all. If you dislike those options, thats another story.
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Not happy at the moment and not interested into buying it. The price is not the issue, it’s the bonus new players get and the veterans don’t. I’ve been playing this game since the launch and I’m pretty sure Anet will come with a solution (atleast I hope). It’s a fact that things cannot stay the way they are at the moment. If that’s the case, I will end up leaving with the rest of, I don’t know, 15,000 people which is A LOT and every normal company would not want to lose that.
This is part of voting with your wallet.
Step one: Don’t spend money.
Step Two: Provide clear feedback as to WHY you are holding on to your money, so that the person selling the good/services knows what they would need to do to get that wallet vote from you.
Some people are being a little flame-y about it, but it is the internet. So long as people aren’t being flat-out abusive the comments all have their place.
And voting with my wallet is what I intend to do. I’ll keep enjoying the content I have with the base game, and if the value proposition presented by HoT for it’s offered price doesn’t exceed the value proposition of all the other games I could buy with that same amount of money (And there was some cool stuff shown at E3) then the money will be spent there instead. Simple enough.
honestly, I don’t have a problem with people presenting a calm and reasoned argument for their stances.
Its the absolute RAGE being shown that flabbergasts me.
Your point is that you didn’t get something you felt entitled to, even though there was no reason to expect that you would get it.
Fascinating. Expecting to play with the revenant by purchasing HoT makes me an entitled player. There was no reason to expect that I would get to play with a revenant if I bought an expansion where the revenant is one of its core, selling features. No reason, right?
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Not happy at the moment and not interested into buying it. The price is not the issue, it’s the bonus new players get and the veterans don’t. I’ve been playing this game since the launch and I’m pretty sure Anet will come with a solution (atleast I hope). It’s a fact that things cannot stay the way they are at the moment. If that’s the case, I will end up leaving with the rest of, I don’t know, 15,000 people which is A LOT and every normal company would not want to lose that.
Do you really believe that many people will leave? I don’t. But who knows, maybe you’re right – and if that does happen, ANET will make a change.
Heck, with all the nerdrage going on, maybe they will just to stop the kittenstorm. LOL
I didn’t say you had to LIKE the other options,, but yes, you could do that. You said it was stopping you from playing. I said, no, it’s not. You have at least three options to play, it’s not stopping you at all. If you dislike those options, thats another story.
It’s not about me liking or disliking it. It’s about the expansion pack promising several key features on purchase, and then locking them out of you unless you sacrifice your previous investment. You’re right, I can do any of those options. I can accept to be exploited, I can ignore it, and in addition to eating the full $50 price, I can accept that I won’t gain access to all its features unless I still pay an additional cost, whatever it may be. I can do all that, or, I can choose not to be treated like an idiot by anet’s marketing team.
I want to play the expansion, and I’m excited for it. But I’m not exploitable.
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Not happy at the moment and not interested into buying it. The price is not the issue, it’s the bonus new players get and the veterans don’t. I’ve been playing this game since the launch and I’m pretty sure Anet will come with a solution (atleast I hope). It’s a fact that things cannot stay the way they are at the moment. If that’s the case, I will end up leaving with the rest of, I don’t know, 15,000 people which is A LOT and every normal company would not want to lose that.
Do you really believe that many people will leave? I don’t. But who knows, maybe you’re right – and if that does happen, ANET will make a change.
Heck, with all the nerdrage going on, maybe they will just to stop the kittenstorm. LOL
Yes I do. I know atleast 50 people that said they will probably move to another game if this happens. IF things stay the same I know some of them will probably end up buying the game afterall but will feel robbed and pretty stupid. I know I wouldn’t like to think that way and there’s no way in hell I would ever say something good about this company. Just the game. I’m sure Anet or anyone else does not want that. They will come with a solution and stop this kittenstorm! They have to. =S
Your point is that you didn’t get something you felt entitled to, even though there was no reason to expect that you would get it.
Fascinating. Expecting to play with the revenant by purchasing HoT makes me an entitled player. There was no reason to expect that I would get to play with a revenant if I bought an expansion where the revenant is one of its core, selling features. No reason, right?
You are the only entity that is preventing yourself from being able to play the Revenant. Expecting someone else to resolve that for you is entitled.
(edited by Ranatoa.4869)
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Not happy at the moment and not interested into buying it. The price is not the issue, it’s the bonus new players get and the veterans don’t. I’ve been playing this game since the launch and I’m pretty sure Anet will come with a solution (atleast I hope). It’s a fact that things cannot stay the way they are at the moment. If that’s the case, I will end up leaving with the rest of, I don’t know, 15,000 people which is A LOT and every normal company would not want to lose that.
I would say that being able to play the game for the past 3 years is your bonus, but then I’d get called a white knight etc.
The fact that the expansion includes the core game is just a hook to entice new people into buying the game. Adding the core game to the expansion costs Anet virtually nothing. It’s likely the expansion price would still be $50 even if the core game wasn’t included.
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
-BnooMaGoo.5690
-BnooMaGoo.5690
The trick is that Anet will know your eventual vote.
People will buy anyways, people always buy anyways.
All the noise and maneuvering will result in nothing — like always.
In that case:
HoT will always go on sale eventually anyways.
All the firmness and stubborness will result in nothing, they WILL discount the expansion when sales die down, like always.
So when we buy the game eventually anyways, “like always” it will be for a reasonable price.
Well I don’t want to push people too hard, but it’s a pretty established pattern, yeah? Lots of talk about how any new thign or DLC is bad or too expensive and how people aren’t going to buy it… and then sales are just fine.
Seriously folks.
If you aren’t happy, don’t buy it. If you are happy, buy it. If ANET sees not enough sales going through, they will revise or reduce price or some such. If sales are solid, they won’t.
Not happy at the moment and not interested into buying it. The price is not the issue, it’s the bonus new players get and the veterans don’t. I’ve been playing this game since the launch and I’m pretty sure Anet will come with a solution (atleast I hope). It’s a fact that things cannot stay the way they are at the moment. If that’s the case, I will end up leaving with the rest of, I don’t know, 15,000 people which is A LOT and every normal company would not want to lose that.
I would say that being able to play the game for the past 3 years is your bonus, but then I’d get called a white knight etc.
The fact that the expansion includes the core game is just a hook to entice new people into buying the game. Adding the core game to the expansion costs Anet virtually nothing. It’s likely the expansion price would still be $50 even if the core game wasn’t included.
Not just likely, it’s been explicitly stated so.
(Rhetorical:) Is it really so bad that other people get something nice?
I am voting with my wallet but anyone who actually believes in a free market and freedom of speech should recognize the right of people to share their opinions about a product in a public forum. If you don’t like a product you don’t have to sit quietly in a corner. Weather or not you agree with them it is not your place to attempt to stifle opposing opinion rather than state your own belief and reason to the contrary.
OP if you fail to recognize that people have a basic right to share both negative and positive honestly held opinions, including things like calling for boycott or for additional support, then there is little I can do other then hear your opinion and ignore you since the only thing your supporting is repressing the opinions of others.
Since you got me to make a post about it here is my g/f and mine. I beta tested and preordered GW2 and she joined me after a year. We decided that as soon as we heard GW2 was having an expansion we would buy it because we love playing games together. We were watching the live stream and went to the preorder as soon as it was announced. We were both disappointed. My g/f more so then me. I don’t like giving money to companies that try to nickle and dime me. On the other hand I pay for useless crap in games where I don’t have to simply because I love the game. (PoE. Dota2, TF2, ect) I feel like this is the aggressive unfriendly crap that I hate and I feel like it has gotten worse as time goes along. I don’t feel like they are attempting to give me a fair price. I feel like they are pushing what the market will accept to make extra money off of me.
While I am tempted to buy the game still it is fading. I will not preorder it now. It is possible i will buy it after it’s launch. If I don’t really like what i see going forward for the first time I might not get it at all. Why? Because I no longer trust that this is not the first of a whole new round of unfriendly micro-transactions. I am not buying future content from a company I can’t trust to give me fair value.
(edited by Saint Jabberwocky.5098)