Guild Wars 2

Richie Procopio just put out a really interesting video about how he thinks LA will become a Sylvari prison camp. He came to this realization after Colin asked him an interesting question over dinner. Worth a watch and worth some thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoxZ8_51ieo&feature=youtu.be

I think LA will be rebuilt personally, but maybe there will be a refugee section for displaced Sylvari who weren’t corrupted? What do you guys think?

Not sure if you’d build a prison camp in LA, but most likely in the surrounding area.
Of course there’s a lot of political issues to consider.
Firstly why LA? They’re not part of the fight against Mordy, they’re still struggling to rebuild.
So if anyone was going to be building prison camps it would be one of the forces fighting against Mordy (Divinity’s Reach, Black Citadel, Rata Sum or Hoelbrak, not the Pack of course since they’re pretty much in ruin). Judging by the trailer the Charr seem well inclined to locking up every Sylvari they come across. So if anyone was going to build prison camps I’d say the Charr would be the likely candidate.

Guantanamo Arch? -_-

But seriously: I find that a terrible idea.
There are enough cruel examples of internment camps in human history, I think we don’t need one in the world of GuildWars 2.

That would actually be pretty cool, such a dark element. Maybe a new event scheme where every so often sylvari get corrupted in cages a rampage threw out LA. Unlikely but could be fun

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

We probably WILL see instances of this in the game with regards to anti-Sylvari discrimination (maybe even race riots and pogroms). However, I imagine that any “internment camp” will be relegated to simply a lot of Sylvari returning to the Grove, where the protection of the Pale Tree is at its strongest.

Displaced Sylvari who aren’t corrupted have the Grove with the Pale Tree. The Pale Tree is probably one the the biggest reasons every Sylvari didn’t immediately become a Modremoth slave.

It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t think it would happen. And if it did, it wouldn’t be in LA or done on a strictly official level by the various governments. It’d be random people, probably xenophobic racists to begin with, who decide to grab their torch and pitchforks and round up the Sylvari.

@tekfan You’re assuming that if LA took Sylvari as prisoners simply for being Sylvari, that it would be done just by humans. However LA, and the Lionguard itself, includes many races. Even non-playable ones, and Sylvari.

@ Myxam Can’t tell if you’re serious or not, but…if you’re worried about racism in the game, hurting the community, racism (among many other serious themes) has been a common thing since, well…ever, in Guild Wars. In both games. So you really have nothing to worry about. And a large part of GW2 story is putting differences aside (such as race, and the history between them), coming to the aid of others, etc. The main races, and even lesser ones, have been working together more and more. I have no doubt that we as players will defend and help the Sylvari.

Also, them being dragon minions liberated from Mordremoth is not a new idea they got from the players. They planned it. Ventari’s tablet taught the Pale Tree, who taught the Sylvari, and they lead a peaceful way of life that was not ever intended by Mordremoth (except for the Nightmare Court).

Myxam.2790:

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

They didn’t give in to the theory, it was implied from fairly early on in the sylvari personal story that sylvari are dragonspawn. It was planned.

A part of it. Maybe.

From the trailer we obviously see some sort of hostility against the Sylvari, because obviously some of them suddenly becomes receptable to Mordremoths corruption.

However the notion of there being bad apples within each race isn’t a new notion for the other races. I mean every race has a rogue faction (Sons of Svanir, The Inquest, The Flame Legion, Nightmare Court, The Seperatists), that each race has to deal with.
Now of course if this corruption by Mordremoth is sudden and can come without warning – which I must admit seems plausible taking the “Beyond the Point of no Return”-trailer into consideration – it seems likely that the other races might take precautious steps towards their Sylvari allies.
Especially given that Scarlet – who was also a Sylvari – just destroyed LA a few months ago.

However I think the races of Tyria will be split on this subject. The Sylvari have proven themselves to be capable allies in the fight against Scarlet’s minions and Zhaitan. If people suddenly start hunting or locking up Sylvari, it will not go uncontested among the races of Tyria. I can imagine especially the Norn might be against locking up their allies, given how they believe in the strenght of the individual – rather than an abidence to a collective line of thought.

Phaerim.9362:

I can imagine especially the Norn might be against locking up their allies, given how they believe in the strenght of the individual – rather than an abidence to a collective line of thought.

But it seems that the Charr, who believe in groups and collective strength (i.e. the strength of the Legions) but take the ‘a chain is only as strong as its weakest link’ mentality regarding the Sylvari and see the possibility of the well placed individual Sylvari being able to threaten the collective whole.
Humans society however doesn’t seem as single minded as Norn of Charr. There seems to be clear ideological differences between the politicians, the soldiers and the civilians. I can see more of a splintering in Divinity’s Reach. Asura I’m not so sure of, they’ll probably lean to the side of caution.

Phaerim makes a valid point regarding the norn. The norn accept Sons of Svanir as long as they aren’t currently causing problems – I can’t see them excluding sylvari because they might get corrupted by Mordremoth.

Charr tend to think in terms of practicality – they might think it’s practical to take draconian security measures against sylvari, or they may decide it’s more practical not to (Mordrem attack on the Iron Marches aside, the Brand is a long way from the Maguuma, and sylvari are safer there than anyone else).

Humans would probably be split. My gut feeling is that the royalists will support the sylvari, while Caudecus’ crew will support… more drastic measures. This isn’t just due to “royalists good, ministry bad!” thinking – Jennah seems to have a reasonably cozy relationship with the Pale Tree’s representatives, so highlighting that Jennah has put her faith in dragon minions is one more piece of information that the Ministry can use to discredit her, and the more anti-sylvari tension they can build, the more Jennah’s sylvari alliances can be used against her.

Asura you’ll probably see a split between the Inquest-curious such as past Vorrp who see an opportunity to justify experimenting on sylvari again, and those that are more principled… and want to conduct somewhat more ethical experiments hoping to ward them against Mordremoth’s corruption.

draxynnic.3719:

Phaerim makes a valid point regarding the norn. The norn accept Sons of Svanir as long as they aren’t currently causing problems – I can’t see them excluding sylvari because they might get corrupted by Mordremoth.

To be fair there is a rather large difference between Sylvari and Sons of Svanir.

The SoS requires them to willingly seek out the corruption (and most of them does seem to still keep their sanity), while Sylvari are basically being corrupted as soon as Mordremoth thinks about them without giving them a choice and with a rather clear loss of sanity.

It expresses, though, that norn judge people as individuals rather than the expectations of a group. While an individual Sons of Svanir may not actually be corrupted, he is certainly associating with a group and philosophy that has murdered and pillaged its way through norn homesteads and there is a reasonable expectation that any Son of Svanir would sooner or later join on those raids. However, the norn wait until a given Son does do so before condemning him.

Similarly, for the norn, that the sylvari as a race is prone to turning is irrelevant when it comes to an individual sylvari that has yet to turn. They may even view the individual sylvari that has thus far resisted turning as all the more heroic and respectable because of it. As a result, I expect the approach of a typical norn to the sylvari threat will be similar to their approach with the Sons of Svanir: be prepared to take them down if they do start causing trouble, but until them, treat them like anyone else who hasn’t done anything wrong yet.

Basically, the norn way of thinking doesn’t take regard for what a person is likely to do, however strong that likelihood is. They only care about what they’ve already done.

Myxam.2790:

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

This has been the plan for them since Eye of the North. Watch the announcement video and get over it.

My God . . . the political incorrectness firestorm that would follow. . . .

Gandalf.3516:

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@tekfan You’re assuming that if LA took Sylvari as prisoners simply for being Sylvari, that it would be done just by humans. However LA, and the Lionguard itself, includes many races. Even non-playable ones, and Sylvari.

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Actually I was referencing to our human history, not the history in GW. We have such sick episodes in our recent past and I’m not keen on seeing them in a game like GW2.
No matter if the internment camp is suddenly run by multiple races instead of one.

Well my two sylvari aside, we already have some sylvari prejudice after scarlet’s rampage. Now that it turns out she awakened Mordremoth, and Sylvari have been confirmed as it’s minions from the very start i really don’t see nor hope things develop “politically correct”. The other 4 races already had some major beef over our engi lunatic (especially humans and asura), now most likely all hell will break loose.

lordkrall.7241:

draxynnic.3719:

Phaerim makes a valid point regarding the norn. The norn accept Sons of Svanir as long as they aren’t currently causing problems – I can’t see them excluding sylvari because they might get corrupted by Mordremoth.

To be fair there is a rather large difference between Sylvari and Sons of Svanir.

The SoS requires them to willingly seek out the corruption (and most of them does seem to still keep their sanity), while Sylvari are basically being corrupted as soon as Mordremoth thinks about them without giving them a choice and with a rather clear loss of sanity.

Except we don’t know that. Actually, I’d say more likely we know that isn’t true. It might be safe to assume that the Nightmare is from Mordremoth. If that is true, Sylvari choose whether to join the Nightmare or not. Some are more susceptible to it than others, but so far we’ve seen nothing that suggests they don’t have a choice. Everything points to them being able to choose, from their history, to what we’ve learned in game, and even the video at the end of LS Season 2. Also if Sylvari don’t have a choice in becoming his minions, then that would present a large problem for them since Sylvari are a playable race.

And in response to the Sons of Svanir bit, they become more and more corrupted as time goes on. You could argue they are even more dangerous than the Nightmare Court because they are unpredictable. You have Sons of Svanir out there killing innocent people, you have sons of Svanir “playing nice” in Hoelbrak, and all of them sooner or later lose their minds and just become straight up icebrood. And the Norn continue to allow them to coexist in Hoelbrak. It’s safe to say the Norn wouldn’t treat Sylvari as outcasts or dangerous, simply for being Sylvari.

draxynnic.3719:

Charr tend to think in terms of practicality – they might think it’s practical to take draconian security measures against sylvari, or they may decide it’s more practical not to (Mordrem attack on the Iron Marches aside, the Brand is a long way from the Maguuma, and sylvari are safer there than anyone else).

Question on that: Does anyone remember if Sylvari got Branded in the BWE end event in Ashford? I was playing a human at the time and really don’t recall if ‘varis got made human Branded or something. Not that I’d take anything from those BWE end-parties as canon; still, it would be interesting if they put a clue in there as to ’varis having some more general Elder Dragon resistance.

Actually, even if not an “internment camp”, some sort of asylum for corrupted Sylvari could be fasinating.

A place where various levels of corruption in Sylvari are attempted to be dealt with. YOu could have Sylvari who volunteered for asylum, feeling the corruption coming on, trying to fight it. You could have more corrupted ones bashing around their cage trying to escape.

There could be quests and mastery of trying to find cures and helping individual patients. Lots of potential there.

^ That is a very cool idea!

Gandalf.3516:

Except we don’t know that. Actually, I’d say more likely we know that isn’t true. It might be safe to assume that the Nightmare is from Mordremoth. If that is true, Sylvari choose whether to join the Nightmare or not. Some are more susceptible to it than others, but so far we’ve seen nothing that suggests they don’t have a choice. Everything points to them being able to choose, from their history, to what we’ve learned in game, and even the video at the end of LS Season 2. Also if Sylvari don’t have a choice in becoming his minions, then that would present a large problem for them since Sylvari are a playable race.

So every single Sylvari in the Pact choose to join Mordremoth at the exact same time when the Pact attacked Maguuma?

yanipheonu.5798:

Actually, even if not an “internment camp”, some sort of asylum for corrupted Sylvari could be fasinating.

A place where various levels of corruption in Sylvari are attempted to be dealt with. YOu could have Sylvari who volunteered for asylum, feeling the corruption coming on, trying to fight it. You could have more corrupted ones bashing around their cage trying to escape.

There could be quests and mastery of trying to find cures and helping individual patients. Lots of potential there.

I think there will be such places, but they will be called inquest labs.

The takeover of the sylvari in the Pact fleet does indicate that Mordremoth can claim sylvari without those sylvari choosing to join him. However, there are likely a number of factors allowing Mordremoth to claim sylvari en masse then that would not likely be in play in the future, such as proximity (every case of sylvari corruption we know of thus far, unless you count the Nightmare Court, has been in the general maguuma region), the Pale Tree’s convalescence, and Mordremoth being willing to exert a lot of its personal power into grabbing the sylvari on the fleet right then. Odds are that an individual sylvari in Hoelbrak is, if anything, less likely to flip out and go berserk than a Svanir-sympathiser, due to being in a location that is less interesting to Mordremoth and, possibly, due to the recovery of the Pale Tree.

The norn might be a little more wary around sylvari, but I don’t think they’re going to change their policy of judging people only by their own actions and not by race or affiliation.

Donari.5237:

Question on that: Does anyone remember if Sylvari got Branded in the BWE end event in Ashford? I was playing a human at the time and really don’t recall if ‘varis got made human Branded or something. Not that I’d take anything from those BWE end-parties as canon; still, it would be interesting if they put a clue in there as to ’varis having some more general Elder Dragon resistance.

Sylvari and asura weren’t available to play during that BWE.

This is a great idea! The reason why is because the political and social structure of the five races and how know, it could really be “four” has always been neat because they all interact with each other differently.

About LA. I could see LA becoming a camp due to it already being a wreck. I could picture barb wire and dark skies.

The issue I feel with this idea is that it does feel like it has a WW2 vibe, and I know that is very sensitive to some people.
Love the idea!

No thanks! just disturbing, really dont want to see a prison camp in this game. Plus, my favorite character is a Sylvari, and that just makes this idea seem even worse to me..

I know, lets also make them walk a “Trail of Tears” to LA while we’re at.
How far is too far with these kinds of ideas? How about gas chambers too?
I just don’t get why people hate the Sylvari so much. They’re such curious and happy people, but no we have to add a darkside to them. Why?

I’m trying to figure out how to say what I’m thinking while I write so be prepared to be confused. I don’t know how many people had the Malyck storyline. But he went back into the jungle to get help, what if Malycks sylvari are "deaf " to the dragon and can teach the others the same method. L.A. can be used as a base since it’s already destroyed and there aren’t many people around. They also can help rebuild it and make it better. On another note, Colin said in an interview that player may want to make a slyvari, because the storyline is going to be interesting. Maybe the storyline is to find Malyck and the other slyvari.

ElrohirMorgolo.1203:

I know, lets also make them walk a “Trail of Tears” to LA while we’re at.
How far is too far with these kinds of ideas? How about gas chambers too?
I just don’t get why people hate the Sylvari so much. They’re such curious and happy people, but no we have to add a darkside to them. Why?

can only speak from my perspective obviosly… but im fed up with sylvari related stuff. Villians are sylvari, story is arround sylvari, the hero of tyria is traherne….plants plants plants, sylvari sylvari sylvari…every week the same dish. I want charrsagne with a side krytan cheese and technoblable from metrica and a pint of norn beer to wash it down here and there…i had enough salad.

Basaltface.2786:

technoblable from metrica

if theres one thing we really dont need more of it’s asuran technobabble and asuran plot devices pulled out of the writers kitten s

RashanDale.3609:

Basaltface.2786:

technoblable from metrica

if theres one thing we really dont need more of it’s asuran technobabble and asuran plot devices pulled out of the writers kitten s

i actually prefer this over the constant sylvari angst and to for example fight a crazed asura scientist with a gang of golems and a flamethrower or some messed up experiment of the inquest once in a while is enjoyable and fun. I love the “anything goes” attitude if it comes to asura nonsence…sure its 90-99% utter BS but its funnier then the “oh gee i wonder what the next boss is gonna be….oh noes a plant thing…i never saw that coming. Oh look it uses live drain and poison(or whatever)…man will the exitement ever stop?” that we got going on atm. Remember for example Kudu? The “nemesis” of zoiija and the crucible of eternity or the story path of the sorrow’s embrace and especially the final boss of the embrace? Crazy stuff all over the place.

A giant mechanical “melting pot” suspended by chains that attacks with an overkill face cannon and can only be really harmed by stones you throw at it? Yes please

Golems that use extremely different tactics and work together as team to hit your bottoms till they are purple and blue? Yes please

An escaped dragon energy infused experiment that hits like a truck? Yes please

A with kralkatorrik´s magic infused, crazed scientist who uses an exo suit, a 1 shot kill rifle AND dragon magic to attack? Yes please

A giant infused by undead, crystal, ice and fire dragon energy boss battle that changes like every minute the rules? Yes please

Sure.. asura stuff is mostly BS but fun…LOTSA fun. I wouldnt mind to see more like this..specially now since the devs put in more mechanics into battles. But now back to the theme id say before we derail the topic too much

Myxam.2790:

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

Really? I don’t think we should sacrifice the quality of the story to cater to the younger spectrum of GW2’s audience. A thing I really hated about the story of GW2 was their portrayal of sylvari as completely white and generally unbelievable in their actions and motives. "Hey we’re sylvari and we are completely good. We have a cheap copout to make “bad” sylvari through the nightmare court but don’t worry, real sylvari will never harm you!" Nobody actually acts like that in real life and it generally made them poor protagonists (trahearne). That is why I was personally very glad that Anet wrote in Canach and the sylvari as potential Modremoth minions. It gives some depth to a race that desperately needed some. Canach in particular seems like an actual believable character. He has motives (not all of them good), he has faults but he also has strengths and good qualities.

Also, would putting in more mature themes such as corruption, racism, and prejudices really be all that bad of an influence on children? Especially if they are portrayed negatively (as they should be)? After all negative qualities such as racism and prejudice are very much present in real life. Shielding kids from the “bad” things in life for too long generally is not a good thing to do. Educating them on why they are wrong and teaching them about past atrocities and mistakes and how to avoid repeating them is the right thing to do in my opinion. Should we really leave them out at the expense of making the game world seems sterile and unbelievable just so we can “protect the children”?

Myxam.2790:

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

#dragon_minions_are_people_too
#stop_destroyer_genocide
#check your spinach
#risen_have_spillings
#swag_on_dragonbrand

Also, on an unrelated note, Sylvari were always dragon minions, like it or not. Denial won’t help.

Aethelbert.1497:

Myxam.2790:

As a Sylvari Player… No. Are you out of your kittening mind? How about we leave the mature content out a game that’s accessable to children, we already have enough of them running around screaming about murdering people over their skin color and sexual preferences (ala COD and DayZ).

And it was a Gods kitten ed bad idea to give into the Sylvari are Dragonspawn Theory because now you’re just going to see more of this crap in chat about how “Sylvari are less than people.”

If this is the friendliest community in gaming, then it really paints a bad picture.

#dragon_minions_are_people_too
#stop_destroyer_genocide
#check your spinach
#risen_have_spillings
#swag_on_dragonbrand

#i_lold

lordkrall.7241:

So every single Sylvari in the Pact choose to join Mordremoth at the exact same time when the Pact attacked Maguuma?

I don’t think it is even a choice, the Sylvari were MADE to be minions of the dragon. Their individual intelligence is easily overridden by a superior intelligence. The Dream is the foundation of ethics, knowledge, and purpose that all Sylvari draw from. If tampered with it WILL fundamentally change them whether they want it to or not.

draxynnic.3719:

Donari.5237:

Question on that: Does anyone remember if Sylvari got Branded in the BWE end event in Ashford? I was playing a human at the time and really don’t recall if ‘varis got made human Branded or something. Not that I’d take anything from those BWE end-parties as canon; still, it would be interesting if they put a clue in there as to ’varis having some more general Elder Dragon resistance.

Sylvari and asura weren’t available to play during that BWE.

Ah, true, but didn’t they repeat the event at a later BWE or stress test? I could swear we got to play it again towards the end of all the beta stuff. I missed the Killer Rabbit and the Hunger Games because I had work those Mondays and couldn’t stay up to 3 am, but I got to do Branded twice.

Intriguing if they only ran it when players couldn’t be Sylvari, though.

CureForLiving.5360:

So if anyone was going to be building prison camps it would be one of the forces fighting against Mordy (Divinity’s Reach, Black Citadel, Rata Sum or Hoelbrak, not the Pack of course since they’re pretty much in ruin). Judging by the trailer the Charr seem well inclined to locking up every Sylvari they come across. So if anyone was going to build prison camps I’d say the Charr would be the likely candidate.

From the trailer you can see that Rytlock is inclined to mistrust all Sylvari, I don’t think you can say that the same applies to all Charr. I’m sure he’ll come around when Caithe saves him… somehow.

Also, I think that those Sylvari who turned to nightmare are Mordremoths minions, those who remained in the dream are not (hmmm… the soundless will be interesting), hence why it is still safe to walk around the grove. Although the Sylvari from the other "pale tree" may be fully under Mordremoths’s command too.

It’s rather embarrassing to me, as a human being, see so many people take a freaking video game so incredibly seriously.

Bad things happen. As do dark things. As do things that aren’t “politically correct”. Develop some thick skin or unplug. My god.

lordkrall.7241:

So every single Sylvari in the Pact choose to join Mordremoth at the exact same time when the Pact attacked Maguuma?

Well, we don’t know it was every Sylvari (or do we? Maybe I missed that). It might just have been enough “undercover” nightmare court members to sabotage some of the fleet. The battle shown on the ground could have been against nightmare court sylvari and those from the other pale tree.

Or it could be something similar to when Kralkatorrik first woke, simply passing over the land as it flew south was enough to create the brand and corrupt nearly everything it passed by. Maybe Mordremoth fully awakening was enough to corrupt all nearby Sylvari?

Stark.1350:

It’s rather embarrassing to me, as a human being, see so many people take a freaking video game so incredibly seriously.

Bad things happen. As do dark things. As do things that aren’t “politically correct”. Develop some thick skin or unplug. My god.

Well of course bad and unpleasant things happen in real life.

But video games are meant to be an escape from real life. So I think its perfectly reasonable for people to not want unpleasant things like internment camps to happen in their escapist fantasies, especially not when those things are potentially involving the actual players themselves. Its one thing to have a bunch of random unassociated NPCs of some random unplayable race locked up, but another to point that level of hostility towards a race which includes thousands of players. Especially in an MMO where it can encourage that sort of hostility and hatred from other players and not just a bunch of NPCs, whether those people are just roleplaying or genuinely using it as an excuse to hate on others.

lordkrall.7241:

draxynnic.3719:

Phaerim makes a valid point regarding the norn. The norn accept Sons of Svanir as long as they aren’t currently causing problems – I can’t see them excluding sylvari because they might get corrupted by Mordremoth.

To be fair there is a rather large difference between Sylvari and Sons of Svanir.

The SoS requires them to willingly seek out the corruption (and most of them does seem to still keep their sanity), while Sylvari are basically being corrupted as soon as Mordremoth thinks about them without giving them a choice and with a rather clear loss of sanity.

I want to point out that The Sons of Svanir are NOT automatically Corrupted. There have only been a few that sought out the Dragons “power” and corrupted themselves or were corrupted and we kill most of those.

Sons of Svanir are a faction who believe that the Dragon Jormag is a Spirit of the Mists to be hailed above the other spirits. the Norn do not believe them to be inherently evil.

IMO its more of a Cult than actual Corruption. The actual corruption of Jormag is the Icebrood.

Electro.4173:

Stark.1350:

It’s rather embarrassing to me, as a human being, see so many people take a freaking video game so incredibly seriously.

Bad things happen. As do dark things. As do things that aren’t “politically correct”. Develop some thick skin or unplug. My god.

Well of course bad and unpleasant things happen in real life.

But video games are meant to be an escape from real life. So I think its perfectly reasonable for people to not want unpleasant things like internment camps to happen in their escapist fantasies, especially not when those things are potentially involving the actual players themselves. Its one thing to have a bunch of random unassociated NPCs of some random unplayable race locked up, but another to point that level of hostility towards a race which includes thousands of players. Especially in an MMO where it can encourage that sort of hostility and hatred from other players and not just a bunch of NPCs, whether those people are just roleplaying or genuinely using it as an excuse to hate on others.

If I want an escape from real life and avoid dark and unpleasant things, I would go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. I can ‘escape’ into a book of fantasy and still have to accept that 99% of the time, there are going to be dark and bad things happening.
A good RPG or story invokes every emotion.

As for a level of hostility towards a race which includes “thousands of players”, I’ve yet to see it in game. Period. Except for maybe a joke or two. And if it’s an excuse to hate on others, /block works really well in game.

I think this is an absolute misinterpretation of the question.

LA is a hub of activity because it is centrally located, has ports to the major cities and is the drop off point when exitting WvW.

I think the question has more to do with the fact that as we move our focus west, will LA remain the hub or will some a more central location, i.e. The Grove, Rata Sum, Mursaatville, become the new hub of player activity? Every MMO expansion has suffered from this as new locations open up and the new major city moves closer to the new location or is setup in the new location.

As fun as it might be to have a discussion regarding Sylvari internment camps, I can’t see it happenning unless it is a very minor subplot for Sylvari player characters where they quickly prove their loyalty and continue on saving the world.

Unfortunately I think it will be fear of the unknown that will play a huge role in this misunderstanding. Especially when people start to link this problem to Scarlet, Aerin, and the unknown factor who let Mordremoth know about the summit gathering at the pale tree. However after some serious sleuthing we probably can find out more about what is truly causing Mordremoth to take over a section of Sylvari population. It would also be interesting if Mordremoth mind control was not just limited to corrupting Sylvari.

I am starting to wonder now if there are underlining factors from each elder dragon that can stave off another ED’s corruption. For instance the blue orb might actually come from the deep sea dragon (that kept the dead from rising again). Maybe glints (a former champion of Kralkatorrik de-corrupted) egg has something to do with this. Perhaps to block mind corruption or even can reverse the symptom itself.

Going back to the LA. I had a past theory about the Consortium could take advantage of the chaos. It would be interesting if Vorpp turned out to be one of the directors of the Consortium. Going from the person we got help from in order to bring down Scarlet, to an individual with his own hidden agenda.

It would be waaaaay too controversial. I doubt Anet will go this way.

I see LA becoming a floating fortress instead of an internment camp, maybe salvage the Breachmaker and using Zephyrite know-how they set the entire city into the sky as the new flagship for Tyria.

Donari.5237:

draxynnic.3719:

Charr tend to think in terms of practicality – they might think it’s practical to take draconian security measures against sylvari, or they may decide it’s more practical not to (Mordrem attack on the Iron Marches aside, the Brand is a long way from the Maguuma, and sylvari are safer there than anyone else).

Question on that: Does anyone remember if Sylvari got Branded in the BWE end event in Ashford? I was playing a human at the time and really don’t recall if ‘varis got made human Branded or something. Not that I’d take anything from those BWE end-parties as canon; still, it would be interesting if they put a clue in there as to ’varis having some more general Elder Dragon resistance.

Don’t think Sylvari were even released when that event went down.

Donari.5237:

draxynnic.3719:

Donari.5237:

Question on that: Does anyone remember if Sylvari got Branded in the BWE end event in Ashford? I was playing a human at the time and really don’t recall if ‘varis got made human Branded or something. Not that I’d take anything from those BWE end-parties as canon; still, it would be interesting if they put a clue in there as to ’varis having some more general Elder Dragon resistance.

Sylvari and asura weren’t available to play during that BWE.

Ah, true, but didn’t they repeat the event at a later BWE or stress test? I could swear we got to play it again towards the end of all the beta stuff. I missed the Killer Rabbit and the Hunger Games because I had work those Mondays and couldn’t stay up to 3 am, but I got to do Branded twice.

Intriguing if they only ran it when players couldn’t be Sylvari, though.

It was possibly repeated, but the sylvari and asura came pretty late in the public beta – odds are any repeat was while they were still testing that build.

Political Correctness? No. I don’t give a kitten about being called a Cabbage, or jokes about Salads.

Giving real, tangible reasons to ostracize part of the playerbase on their Species/Race Selection? Yes, Its especially bad on PvP-heavy servers like Blackgate. Getting whispered “You are sub-human filth you dirty rotton cabbage” is not appreciated or welcomed, and I’m glad the player got banned but this is exactly what I’m talking about.

kitten NO TO THE SYLVARI-HOLOCAUST >:|