Guild Wars 2

So, I’m considering starting another guardian dragonhunter and wanted to know about using the the level 80 boost.

I have a level 36 that I wanted to test using the boost stone. Got transferred to the SW’s and found the DH line is locked. No way to unlock in the test mode. Not a big deal except for the following concern:

If I consume the stone with lets say a level 1 guardian, I get all the gear and traits lines shown in the test. Does the Dragonhunter line have to be earned at this point (which means gaining experience and hero point to spend to up the DH traits?) Or is the complete Dragonhunter trait line going be awarded when the character is finalized as a level 80?

Assuming the answer to my question above is “no”, and the DH traits have to be earned as a new level 80 – suppose I were to start a level 1 Guardian, eat a level 30 boost (don’t spend any points earned), then proceed to eat leveling tones all the way to level 80 while not spending any hero points. Then take the level 80 boost (which will max out all the other traits automatically, then use all the unspent hero points to apply to the DH trait line. (I know that when I tested my level 36 (w/ unspent point) those points still showed as available).

Does this sound feasible?

Thanks

well @ level 80 normally starts when you can “unlock” the mastery system. So if it says boost to 80 and not boost to max mastery points, i’d say you’d have to grind it out. if you’re already at 80 the boost to 80 (which you’re already at) won’t do anything for you. I’m pretty sure in order to unlock the dragon hunter trait line you have to unlock everything else first, so that means spending all your HPs. but since, I have no need for the boost after leveling my rev from xpac launch and with my 11- 80’s and zero empty character slots its really pointless for vets like me. thanks anet.

They said the point of the Boost is to get you to 80 and with gear (mind you, most likely not the best set up for pve) and then you have to earn your HoT elite specs.

If you level from 1-80 manually or with tomes, or you use this level 80 boost, you end up with the same HP to unlock all the base skills and nothing for the elite. You still need to tag HPs for your elite.

Also, I’m fairly certain you need to unlock all the base skills before you can put points into your elite, but I might be wrong on that.

You do have to unlock all the base stuff before starting on the elite.

The most efficient manner is the same as normal leveling. the boost takes you to 80, and gives the same amount ofskill points you’d get leveling to 80. On top of that you have whatever skill points you have from core map completion already, and earn the rest in HoT.

The 80 boost really doesn’t make skilling to an elite spec any faster. it just makes leveling to 80 faster.

Grinding it out isn’t going to be any faster than hitting 80 with the boost and getting all those core HPS. Heck, it may actually be slower since you’re getting to the core HPs with less traits and leveling gear.

So based on what I’m hearing, the points I would accumulate by eating the tomes (to amass all the HP’s I’d normally spend on the sub-level 80 traits – even though they will remain unspent when I eat the level 80 stone), they cannot be used or spent on raising the Dragonhunter line.

If that’s the case that would mean there is a difference in mastery points (ones you’ve earned prior to level 80 and those earned afterwards).

My test with the level 36 still showed unspent points to be used even though my Character was a level 80 (testing the stone.) Wondering if I finalized the boost if those point would vanish and I’d have to start from scratch to gain DH traits or if those points would remain for me to spend.

I would hate to roll a new toon, eat all the tomes to gain HP’s (not spend any), then eat the level 80 boost and find all the HP’s I had banked were gone or could not be used to advance the DH line.

Dennis.6952:

So based on what I’m hearing, the points I would accumulate by eating the tomes (to amass all the HP’s I’d normally spend on the sub-level 80 traits – even though they will remain unspent when I eat the level 80 stone), they cannot be used or spent on raising the Dragonhunter line.

If that’s the case that would mean there is a difference in mastery points (ones you’ve earned prior to level 80 and those earned afterwards).

My test with the level 36 still showed unspent points to be used even though my Character was a level 80 (testing the stone.) Wondering if I finalized the boost if those point would vanish and I’d have to start from scratch to gain DH traits or if those points would remain for me to spend.

I would hate to roll a new toon, eat all the tomes to gain HP’s (not spend any), then eat the level 80 boost and find all the HP’s I had banked were gone or could not be used to advance the DH line.

Hero points are additive.

By simply leveling to 80 (with tomes or any other method) you earn exactly enough hero points to learn all of your base class’ skills and mastry lines.

Hero points found in the world during leveling allow you to learn them sooner, and you’ll find that when you hit 80 you have some left over. There are more obtainable hero point than there are uses for them specifically to give a limited amount of choice as to how exactly you fill out your spec, and to give completionists a head start when new specs are released.

Your hero points will not vanish, you simply won’t reieve more by leveling to 80 from one method rather than another. At the end of the day you’ll have a sum of HPs equal to those gained from leveling + those gained in the world.

Insta-leveling to 80 will provide, instantly, enough HPs to skill out all your core skills and specs, _on top- of any that you’ve acquired from the world. Addition HPs acquired from the world will continue to accumulate on your character up to and past the point you have any way to spend them.

Eating tomes does not grant HPs. Actually gaining levels does. It doesn’t matter how you gain them. You can not lose HPs in any way other than spending them to learn new skills/specs.

I understand what everyone is say about hero points and how they accumulate and how they are used to gain all the trait lines, but I’m still not sure my question is being understood (or perhaps I’m too dense to grasp what is being related), so I will try try and ask it a different way (by example).

A character is started as a level one.

That character is raised to level 80 using tomes.

None of the trait points are spent while using the tomes (so you have a level 80 character with no traits learned and X number of trait points to spend (lets say 350 points for this example)

You then use the level 80 stone provided with HoT on this character (yes I know he’s already a level 80) _ This stone will automatically give this character every trait available up to level 80 (without you having to use any of the 350 points you’ve accumulated while using the tomes earlier.

My question is – Will those 350 unspent points be available to use on the Dragonhunter trait line or will they vanish?

Hope this makes sense, since if the answer to my above question is yes (they will still be available to spend) then I won’t have to grind to gain point for the Dragonhunter line (but rather use those 350 unspent points for each DH trait).

No idea. I think that boost will just use your free skill points. Someone should do it for science .

First of all, you cannot use the Lv 80 Boost if you are already 80. It won’t let you.

Second, boosting to 80 does not give you free unlocks. It spends the Hero Points you would have gained normally to unlock all of your skills and traits. Any points you had from leveling won’t “vanish” per se, but they will be used. Points accumulated outside of leveling will be “left over” and available to use for your Elite.

Okay, if I am to understand what you are saying (and I thought I read that you can use the boost on a level 80 but will only get the add-on stuff A-net supplies). But assuming you are correct and it won’t let you do the boost on a level 80, lets say it’s a level 79 character w/ 325 rather than the 350 banked points in my previous example.

Same situation as discussed prior, you have 325 banked hero points, you eat the stone, the skills and traits are not automatically unlocked (as they are when you do the test). They are locked when you make the llevel 80 stone boost permanent, and you are given the points necessary to unlock them all – which you have to do manually…yes?

So if I understand you correctly, you are saying the 325 points I would have banked (as a level 79) during the tome leveling will be over-laid with the 350 hero points (again using this number as an example) awarded by using the level 80 stone. So in effect the 325 points are lost for use on the Dragonhunter line. Yes?

The 350 skill points you’ve earned from leveling are automatically spent on all core trait and skill lines.

You use level 80 boost. All skill points you would have earned leveling (via tomes or manual) are still earned and used to unlock all base skills.

Any hero points you do out in the world are still available to go towards your elite spec.

You cannot access elite spec unless every base skill is learned (which happens if you hit 90).

You lose nothing. If you went to 10 Tyria hero points, and had 10 before using the boost, you will have 10 after the boost and all base skills unlocked.

Edit: Cannot have spec and until next to each other

You can not gain trait and skill unlocks without also spending hero points. Using the auto-80 thing simply automatically spends the points you earn for leveling for you, because at 80 there are no choices to be made any more with those points. The only use for them is to spend on skilling every base trait and skill, because you must learn all of them to begin skilling any elite spec.

You do not “lose” hero points in this manner. You only gain as many as you ould have gained from leveling naturally, and all of your leveling points (a total sum of 350) are immediately automatically spent unlocking all of your base skills and traits.

You’re concerned there’s a difference between leveling one way or the other. There is not. No matter how you level to 80 and purchase all of your base skills and traits, you will end up with the same amount of hero points at 80. The difference is that leveling normally (or with tomes) you choose the order in which to buy the traits and skills. When you use the 80 boost it just buys them all for you at once, as when you hit 80 there are no choices for you to make.

Any hero points earned by map interactions are in addition to those gained from leveling and can be used to progress dragon hunter.

For example:

You make a new character and gain 5 hero points from the map. You level to 80 with tomes and unlock all your skills and traits in the order of your choosing. You have 5 hero points remaining to spend on an elite spec.

You make a new character and gain 5 hero points from the map. You level to 80 with the boost. The boost automatically spent all of your 1-80 leveling points unlocking things all at once, since the order of their choosing no longer matters. You have 5 hero points remaining to spend on an elite spec.

If it does not function this way, then you are losing HPs, which are a finite resource, and that’s a bug that should be sent to support. The only way you are ever supposed to lose HPs is by spending them.

A quick and easy answer to your queries:

You can not save Hero Points by leveling in an alternate method. No matter how you achieve L80, your Hero Points (from leveling) will be spent on maxing out your Skills and Traits.

Any Hero Points acquired by interacting with Hero Challenges can be used for your Elite Specialization once, and only once, all your basic Specialization lines have been filled.

Good luck.

Dennis.6952:

So based on what I’m hearing, the points I would accumulate by eating the tomes (to amass all the HP’s I’d normally spend on the sub-level 80 traits – even though they will remain unspent when I eat the level 80 stone), they cannot be used or spent on raising the Dragonhunter line.

If that’s the case that would mean there is a difference in mastery points (ones you’ve earned prior to level 80 and those earned afterwards).

My test with the level 36 still showed unspent points to be used even though my Character was a level 80 (testing the stone.) Wondering if I finalized the boost if those point would vanish and I’d have to start from scratch to gain DH traits or if those points would remain for me to spend.

I would hate to roll a new toon, eat all the tomes to gain HP’s (not spend any), then eat the level 80 boost and find all the HP’s I had banked were gone or could not be used to advance the DH line.

That is correct. Whether you use tomes of knowledge to level a character up, or use the level 80 boost, you will still have to play the game to earn hero points to unlock your elite specialization.

I used tomes to level up my Revenent to 80 right after creating it, and didn’t get the elite spec unlocked.

You only get enough hero points to unlock all of your core specializations from leveling up to 80. And you need to unlock all of those specs before you can unlock your elite.

Thanks.

So there is absolutely no benefit to use tomes if you are going to eat the level 80 stone.

I can start a level one, eat the stone and be a fully fleshed out guardian with with every trait in the base lines unlocked and usable with the exception of the Dragonhunter line (which must be earned through gameplay)..

Man, am I ever glad I didn’t waste the tomes thinking I was going be able to bank unused points I’d get as I ate the tomes and have them to spend on the Dragonhunter line when level 80 unlocked w/ the stone. If they all vanished ,I’d be kittened LOL

Pays to ask the question rather than assume.

Probably easiest to go that route (level 1, eat the stone) and then run Tyria to easily pick up the HP’s there, then move to HoT’s to finish them off.

Dennis.6952:

Probably easiest to go that route (level 1, eat the stone) and then run Tyria to easily pick up the HP’s there, then move to HoT’s to finish them off.

While it’s easiest to get the Core Tyria HPs, it’s also the most time-consuming and mind-numbingly boring way. The HoT zone 10 points makes it much faster.