Guild Wars 2

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

Shouldn’t be soloable but i agree with this hero point maybe should be easier accessible as it’s only available when bosses are and that’s the main focus for obvious reasons.

Just ask friends / map players.

I actually like the fact that it isn’t just another braindead 111111111 challenge where you finish it under 0.9 seconds, then another player comes in and does thesame. Learn to accept that this is an MMO, Massive Multiplayer Online, thats what it is. If you don’t like challenge in a game, whats the point of playing it?

I agree with the OP, all the hero points should be made solo-able, they should all be downgraded to veterans, or elites. I thought one of the main selling points to losing the holy trinity was so we didn’t have to wait around for hours looking for tanks and healers…But now we have to beg in map chat and wait around for 30mins to and hour for someone to come by to complete a hero point?, that’s ridiculous. I understand ANet wanted to add challenging group content…that’s what dungeons, fractals, and raids should be for, open world PVE should be solo-able.

I was able to solo a few of them on my warrior. I remember soloing the alien looking one with the exploding spawn(Easy), the golem with heal-0-tron(Very hard) and another one. All fight were super close timer wise, I had under 15-40 sec left on timer and took me 1-2 try to succeed.

I just discovered the third map and not going super fast. I really like exploring the PvE map. They are really great. I`m a WvWer guy and the new BL are not fun at all and the berserker elite is really bad so this is all I got for now.

They should be solo, work like adventures and be designed to teach you mechanics and test your knowledge/skill. The current group event ones for example could simply be a check on if you know how to dodge their special attacks. They should also use a setup like this to teach new players how to rally and use combos.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

it isn’t just another braindead 111111111 challenge

Sure it is. There’s no challenge in group content. Simply sit there and spam your 1 button while someone else carries you.

Healix.5819:

They should be solo, work like adventures and be designed to teach you mechanics and test your knowledge/skill. The current group event ones for example could simply be a check on if you know how to dodge their special attacks. They should also use a setup like this to teach new players how to rally and use combos.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

it isn’t just another braindead 111111111 challenge

Sure it is. There’s no challenge in group content. Simply sit there and spam your 1 button while someone else carries you.

I bet you were one of the first people that cried during Champion of Balthazar

Please don’t do it Anet, we have enough faceroll content in the core game.

Please stop! Stop nerf this game right now! Everything is soloable. If somebody can solo lupicus, we can solo anything. I was waiting for HoT because I want challenging content. But after launch it is just nerf after nerf after nerf. When we will get some really hard content? Will it be some raid? Or it will be nerfed after launch as well? I expect some new character progress with HOT, but my fun is ruined because of hero points reduction and people who just cry. I don’t want finish all new content in less then week. Thanks.

Maybe the server your on isn’t that active during this time, and it gets more active later?

The whole purpose of an MMO is to play with others, and this is Guild Wars, which forming a Guild and doing thing with the people in it, is another big thing.

I know it may be frustrating to want to do something, yet there aren’t any people around to help, but maybe do a few things, or do the boss battle close to it, and maybe ask while the battle is going if anyone would help with it?

But no, I don’t want yet another thing made easier…

actually you can solo that one

So if I solo some champion HP do they count as already soloable since it’s possible? Or do you consider “soloable” something when it’s basically a freebie ?

What exactly is the meaning of “soloable” for you?

ChrizZcE.5981:

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

See? Here is your problem. Don’t stand and wait for people to come. Call out to them using /m or LF tool.

Chance is there are many who want to do this but didn’t look for others and didn;t want to stand there waiting.

Killyox.3950:

So if I solo some champion HP do they count as already soloable since it’s possible? Or do you consider “soloable” something when it’s basically a freebie ?

What exactly is the meaning of “soloable” for you?

ChrizZcE.5981:

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

See? Here is your problem. Don’t stand and wait for people to come. Call out to them using /m or LF tool.

Chance is there are many who want to do this but didn’t look for others and didn;t want to stand there waiting.

duh, you really think I haven´t tried using map chat or lfg?

soloable means being able to do them on your own.

Most HC aren´t soloable because of the time limit. They are literally impossible to do on your own.

WeedyZeGreedy.8635:

Shouldn’t be soloable but i agree with this hero point maybe should be easier accessible as it’s only available when bosses are and that’s the main focus for obvious reasons.

You can get up there during the day. It’s tricky and takes knowledge of where the updafts are and which islands to land on to get there. But it’s doable.

And the biggest thing with that HP is just making sure you constant wreck his breakbar as soon as you can, every single time.

GW2 needs something that GW had, and that’s HM (Hard Mode). In hard mode they could make every HP a champ that requires at least 3 people to be near it to even trigger, takes ten minutes to kill with a 5 minute timer unless you trigger your skills in exactly the right way, dodge to the micro second and happen to have the requisite skills to remove it’s bar so you can do significant damage- which only certain classes have on a regular basis.

Oh, and just for fun, all regen type heal skills are nerfed in hard mode so no more passive on tick heal effects, as well as all passive condi cleanse.

That would satisfy the die hards who think just because they exploited to 40 mastery points in two days, ran around the map in blob and finished it inside a week that others should suffer when the map population has died off and there is literally no one around to help out on a HP which took 10 attempts and 30 minutes to reach (not all of us have young reactions or memories any more).

Kinda wish I’d exploited to get 40 mastery points now to be able to move around the maps easier and walk through poison, etc.

ChrizZcE.5981:

Killyox.3950:

So if I solo some champion HP do they count as already soloable since it’s possible? Or do you consider “soloable” something when it’s basically a freebie ?

What exactly is the meaning of “soloable” for you?

ChrizZcE.5981:

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

See? Here is your problem. Don’t stand and wait for people to come. Call out to them using /m or LF tool.

Chance is there are many who want to do this but didn’t look for others and didn;t want to stand there waiting.

duh, you really think I haven´t tried using map chat or lfg?

soloable means being able to do them on your own.

Most HC aren´t soloable because of the time limit. They are literally impossible to do on your own.

Again, I soloed many HP (obviosuly not all due to HP, attacks, armor etc). Does that mean it’s considered soloable or is it soloable when someone with 25 IQ can solo it ? Where do we draw the line ?

To me if the game posesses no challenge and is just easy it equals boring. If GW2 becomes too easy then I will stop playing it again. I like challenge but not artificial one. So far GW2 is cool.

Killyox.3950:

ChrizZcE.5981:

Killyox.3950:

So if I solo some champion HP do they count as already soloable since it’s possible? Or do you consider “soloable” something when it’s basically a freebie ?

What exactly is the meaning of “soloable” for you?

ChrizZcE.5981:

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

See? Here is your problem. Don’t stand and wait for people to come. Call out to them using /m or LF tool.

Chance is there are many who want to do this but didn’t look for others and didn;t want to stand there waiting.

duh, you really think I haven´t tried using map chat or lfg?

soloable means being able to do them on your own.

Most HC aren´t soloable because of the time limit. They are literally impossible to do on your own.

Again, I soloed many HP (obviosuly not all due to HP, attacks, armor etc). Does that mean it’s considered soloable or is it soloable when someone with 25 IQ can solo it ? Where do we draw the line ?

To me if the game posesses no challenge and is just easy it equals boring. If GW2 becomes too easy then I will stop playing it again. I like challenge but not artificial one. So far GW2 is cool.

oh, the irony.

Giving a boss a ridiculous amount of HP and then setting a time limit so that it´s technically impossible to beat him alone is the definition of artificial challenge.

ChrizZcE.5981:

Killyox.3950:

ChrizZcE.5981:

Killyox.3950:

So if I solo some champion HP do they count as already soloable since it’s possible? Or do you consider “soloable” something when it’s basically a freebie ?

What exactly is the meaning of “soloable” for you?

ChrizZcE.5981:

been standing at the Guano Incubated Hero Challenge for an hour now with nobody in sight.

See? Here is your problem. Don’t stand and wait for people to come. Call out to them using /m or LF tool.

Chance is there are many who want to do this but didn’t look for others and didn;t want to stand there waiting.

duh, you really think I haven´t tried using map chat or lfg?

soloable means being able to do them on your own.

Most HC aren´t soloable because of the time limit. They are literally impossible to do on your own.

Again, I soloed many HP (obviosuly not all due to HP, attacks, armor etc). Does that mean it’s considered soloable or is it soloable when someone with 25 IQ can solo it ? Where do we draw the line ?

To me if the game posesses no challenge and is just easy it equals boring. If GW2 becomes too easy then I will stop playing it again. I like challenge but not artificial one. So far GW2 is cool.

oh, the irony.

Giving a boss a ridiculous amount of HP and then setting a time limit so that it´s technically impossible to beat him alone is the definition of artificial challenge.

Yeah. And those are the ones that need changing. Challenge should come from avoiding attacks, reading your enemy skills, using terrain and so on. They shouldn’t require Zerk gear and full kitten dps mode to beat.

I was hoping THIS was the change made instead of 400 to 250. Keeping it at 400 and hard to reach, but soloable makes you still have to explore the jungle deeply.

Is that the vampire guy? Probably pointless to wait if there is no copter.

Only try to fight him when there is a copter.

What would be nice if they added the challenging hero point in the LFG UI.

No. It’s an MMO. Use your friends list, guild roster, map chat, or find a different genre of game to play.

I just started playing the game 4 months ago so, I am not all that experienced in the game play but…

I like it as it is.

Walk up feeling all powerful and having your kitten handed to you. Then gathering a force to deal with it. Its great fun IMHO.

kanarek.8025:

Please stop! Stop nerf this game right now! Everything is soloable. If somebody can solo lupicus, we can solo anything. I was waiting for HoT because I want challenging content. But after launch it is just nerf after nerf after nerf. When we will get some really hard content? Will it be some raid? Or it will be nerfed after launch as well? I expect some new character progress with HOT, but my fun is ruined because of hero points reduction and people who just cry. I don’t want finish all new content in less then week. Thanks.

The primary problem here is just people like the OP who want everything at their fingertips just because they see someone else who has something they don’t because they didn’t put as much time/effort into it.

I have to agree. This game is ridiculously easy. I’m not even good at the game and I duo’d lupicus. It’s nice to actually have some challenge where appropriate, and maybe join a PvE guild? That would certainly help a lot of the players who are convinced that everything should be attainable as quickly to them working alone as it would be to a dedicated group of people.

Here’s what I’d like to see:

When a player activates a HP challenge, have a dialog box pop up that asks for their preferred difficulty level: Normal/Veteran/Champ. Completing the challenge on Normal difficulty would award the hero points. Completing it on Veteran level would award hero points + vet level loot. Completing it on Champ level would award points + a champ bag.

There is already precedence for a system like this — there’s a heart quest in Gendarran (IIRC) where you can choose the levels of the beasts you fight in the gladiator pit. The same system could be used for hero point challenges.

If ANet implemented a mechanism like this, then everyone who loves a challenge can get one. And people who play solo can, too. Win/win.

I hung around the Champ mushroom boss in Auric last night, helping people complete the HP challenge, and it was a blast. It’s a fun fight, and a fun boss — with a group. But what happens in a few weeks or months when there’s no one around, and new players or alts need to complete that challenge? Because it awards HP’s, which are directly tied to character skill progression, there needs to be a way to complete it without help.

Listen, every champ in HoT is soloable.
Maybe not on the first try.
Maybe not on the fifth try.
Maybe not on the tenth try.
Maybe on the eleventh try though, and I would rather succeed one event on the eleventh try than do 11 normal world HPC’s with no effort
(which is funny because the new ones give 10 HP each… it is almost like they expected them to be more challenging)

I am a high school student. Between school, homework, and robotics I cannot afford to spend hours a day grinding. So I don’t, instead, I play HoT. HoT is the most fun that I have had in a long time outside of PvP, because the combat is engaging. Even now, I feel like some content is too easy. I’m trying to run a soldier burn DH, and I can still win the tough fights against champs or several elites.

I dont know why people keep q_q ing, I think that it is a shame that people who dont want to do the content use themselves as posterchildren for the casuals in order to scare anet or whatever.

I am a casual.
HoT is fine.
The players are the problem, not the game.

Takanashi.6548:

What would be nice if they added the challenging hero point in the LFG UI.

I have been too busy with the Halloween content but I assume there must be plenty of listings for that under living world in the LFG? Or do they have a HOT category now?

I think the hero challenges are totally fair. HoT was made for group events and exploration. Wanna farm for hero points? Ping up in the LFG or get a friend from one of your guilds to help. Don’t try to take away the thrill of a challenge from those of us who enjoy it.
If you want easy hero points, go to the core game areas and farm them. Yeah, I know you only get one point, but if you’re getting 10 hero points for something I don’t think it needs to be handed over to you on a silver platter.

Play bow bear or minion mancer. you can solo a bunch of it just pressing 1 and 2. Even before Anet bump the time from 5 to 10 minues.

SeriousSituation.3462:

kanarek.8025:

Please stop! Stop nerf this game right now! Everything is soloable. If somebody can solo lupicus, we can solo anything. I was waiting for HoT because I want challenging content. But after launch it is just nerf after nerf after nerf. When we will get some really hard content? Will it be some raid? Or it will be nerfed after launch as well? I expect some new character progress with HOT, but my fun is ruined because of hero points reduction and people who just cry. I don’t want finish all new content in less then week. Thanks.

The primary problem here is just people like the OP who want everything at their fingertips just because they see someone else who has something they don’t because they didn’t put as much time/effort into it.

I have to agree. This game is ridiculously easy. I’m not even good at the game and I duo’d lupicus. It’s nice to actually have some challenge where appropriate, and maybe join a PvE guild? That would certainly help a lot of the players who are convinced that everything should be attainable as quickly to them working alone as it would be to a dedicated group of people.

That’s the reason why I start write replies on forum when I am at work. Bacause I don’t want Anet listen only people who want nerf everything.

SeriousSituation.3462:

The primary problem here is just people like the OP who want everything at their fingertips just because they see someone else who has something they don’t because they didn’t put as much time/effort into it.

not really. I just have better things to do than stand around and wait for hours at a HC because I have to wait for other players. Maybe you and Anet don´t value ones own time, but I do.

“Listen, every champ in HoT is soloable.”

I´ll give anyone 1000g if they can put up a vid of them soloing the Pile of Guano Hero Point (the fight with the vampire boss)

hint: nobody can because it´s technically impossible

No,noNoNoNo

Just NO!!!!’

ChrizZcE.5981:

SeriousSituation.3462:

The primary problem here is just people like the OP who want everything at their fingertips just because they see someone else who has something they don’t because they didn’t put as much time/effort into it.

not really. I just have better things to do than stand around and wait for hours at a HC because I have to wait for other players. Maybe you and Anet don´t value ones own time, but I do.

“Listen, every champ in HoT is soloable.”

I´ll give anyone 1000g if they can put up a vid of them soloing the Pile of Guano Hero Point (the fight with the vampire boss)

hint: nobody can because it´s technically impossible

I’m uncertain but I think it might be possible. I think you are misleading the boss heal so much that 1 person is surely impossible. It’s mostly because people are close to him. If there is 1 person or if the person run away or interupt the boss the boss might not heal as much.

I tried to solo it twice, once someone join up. I just tried again. and being a newbie I dodge out the plateform and can’t go back again.

I think there is a possibility the boss is soloable. I’m just not sure if you’ll pay up when the someone post the video.

And only go up there when the copter is up. There is no point staying up there at day time since no one can go up anyway.

Spiral Architect.6540:

Here’s what I’d like to see:

When a player activates a HP challenge, have a dialog box pop up that asks for their preferred difficulty level: Normal/Veteran/Champ. Completing the challenge on Normal difficulty would award the hero points. Completing it on Veteran level would award hero points + vet level loot. Completing it on Champ level would award points + a champ bag.

There is already precedence for a system like this — there’s a heart quest in Gendarran (IIRC) where you can choose the levels of the beasts you fight in the gladiator pit. The same system could be used for hero point challenges.

If ANet implemented a mechanism like this, then everyone who loves a challenge can get one. And people who play solo can, too. Win/win.

I hung around the Champ mushroom boss in Auric last night, helping people complete the HP challenge, and it was a blast. It’s a fun fight, and a fun boss — with a group. But what happens in a few weeks or months when there’s no one around, and new players or alts need to complete that challenge? Because it awards HP’s, which are directly tied to character skill progression, there needs to be a way to complete it without help.

Great suggestion and great post.

Just remove the timers but add a out of combat despawn , then everything is soloable if your good enough. The issue is some mobs have so much HP it’s nearly impossible to burn it even if your in max glass zerk /condi you rin out of time. The second issue is breaking the break bars solo. If I chain all my cc I should be able to break it… At least scale that…

I think they should rename hero challenges to heroes challenges. To imply more then one hero…

I think that’s part of the problem here :-)

Anet should make them scalable.
on your own easer and much longer time limit.
as ppl turn up they get harder and time limit shorter or faster.

[edit] also the harder it is the better the drops.
Everyone wins.

I also agree with the OP . They need to make them so you can solo. Not everyone has the time to sit and wait or yell for help .
Some people can only play for and hour or so a day due to work,school, family,ETC
I choose this game because I could solo a lot of it
Also Didn’t ANET say that this game would NEVER be a grind? well it has turned into one .
I have to grind for points now. I am not saying make it really easy I am saying there has to be a middle of the road
you cannot take a game people are used to soloing then, make it really hard to grind for the points you need to progress.
Let up somewhat on the grinding part ANET. I have a full time job I do not need another one

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

. I’m trying to run a soldier burn DH, and I can still win the tough fights against champs or several elites.

Cheese build with auto condi cleanse, huge OP burn uptime, heavy armor user, passive heals/blocks/regen/aegis and a huge heal..you’re playing a tank, no wonder your finding it easy against elites and most bosses.

Maybe to make bosses more of a challenge they should make them immune to burning.

I laughed at another’s suggestion to play a ranger..how exactly will that help anyone who isn’t a ranger get the HP’s they want on their non-ranger class?

It’s enough of a challenge to even reach most of the HP places for me..it’s not fun for me to stand around waiting for others to turn up to do some random champ spawn to clock up the 2500th HP needed to open the elite skills on my 10th toon, nor do I consider it fair to ask some poor guildie to waste his valuable time coming to help at a HP for the 100th time.

Can I solo some of the champs on my mes- yes, if I time everything to break the bar and get very lucky on dodges. If I don’t then I die, and spend a long time finding an uncontested WP to respawn at and then 30 minutes getting back to the HP to die again- and you think doing that 10 times is any sort of ‘fun’?

I consider fighting other players fun. Pve mobs are just dumb and gating it behind dumb mechanics doesn’t make having to get the HP’s to unlock skills to use in wvw any more than a grind for me.

Good grief. Hero Challenges are once-per-character-and-never again content. They need to be solo-friendly to enable late adopters and take-their-time players to be able to complete them.

There may be few problems now because the XPac is only a week old. However, how many players are going to go out of their way to help do these once the content is a month of more old and they’ve done them on all their characters in the first two weeks?

IndigoSundown.5419:

Good grief. Hero Challenges are once-per-character-and-never again content. They need to be solo-friendly to enable late adopters and take-their-time players to be able to complete them.

There may be few problems now because the XPac is only a week old. However, how many players are going to go out of their way to help do these once the content is a month of more old and they’ve done them on all their characters in the first two weeks?

Exactly this.

If they were to implement a system like I suggested earlier in the thread, where players can “choose their preferred difficulty level” at each challenge, then everyone wins. Hardcore fans get to have their hardcore challenges, and solo’ers get to have their easier ones. No one gets hurt by this.

I also think it would be very cool if they allowed players to repeat challenges (again, with a selectable difficulty level), but with no reward after the first attempt. Vampire boss ticked you off? Go back and challenge him again.

There is literally no reason for hero challenges to require other people. NONE. And putting them on a timer on top of being group events is just sadistic (DPS races are the laziest form of “challenge” imaginable).

If you want challenge, go do the meta events. That’s what they’re there for.

Anet, please don’t do this. Please don’t give any mind to people who QQ because they don’t know how /map or /guild or LFG works.

Incidentally, that guano thing is perfectly accessible during the day.

A couple of those are soloable with easy classes (ranger/druid, warrior, necro/reaper). I like the challenges though. You should go with friends and/or ask in map chat. Don’t expect to get all on the go. Sometimes it takes time or you are lucky and find one HP already in action with a group. In the end, you get it anyways.

Totally agree they should all be nerfed from champions. I’ve had to stand around for 20 minutes with my mentor tag on spamming in map chat and still only get 2 other people which is 50/50 for if you’ll even be able to do it.

Remember when you used to make content that scaled? If it’s one person it’s a veteran if it’s 5+ it can be a champion.

It’s already a problem getting help on these and it’s only going to get worse in time.

Only 20 minutes? What are you even complaining about?

They already fixed some HP Challenges, i feels a bit hard to get max on my elite spec at first but that was b4 they nerfed 400 HP, i know some of you feels this expansion is hard but please there must be a limit for this kind of thread, they already gave you a nerf of 400 HP.

In the last 2 days i was lucky by got into a zerk and a nice tag who willing to lead us do all HP in all 3 maps except Dragon Stand it took around 2h – 3h to get max elite spec, if you feels unlucky cuz the wait or no one come you should learn the road to all HP first then start a zerk do all of them in one run and Anet also gave us a free tag too..

For years i played gw2 i’ve seen ppl show that they can solo champ/dungeon/wvw/ etc contents of the game but this has to be stop ppl clearly don’t care for each other if everything soloable, harder content for me means bring ppl together

Please just… Play these hero challenges the way they are intended… Instead of bashing your head against a brick wall? And then complaining how Anet gave you a concussion for something they have no control over? They’re not even hard group events. Most of them can be done with like 3 people. Don’t even need your tank/healer/damage setup. Just 3 people.

You have to bug people in chat, usually you’ll find someone that needs it or will help out.

Notsoperky.2348:

Cheese build with auto condi cleanse, huge OP burn uptime, heavy armor user, passive heals/blocks/regen/aegis and a huge heal..you’re playing a tank, no wonder your finding it easy against elites and most bosses.

Maybe to make bosses more of a challenge they should make them immune to burning.

I laughed at another’s suggestion to play a ranger..how exactly will that help anyone who isn’t a ranger get the HP’s they want on their non-ranger class?

It’s enough of a challenge to even reach most of the HP places for me..it’s not fun for me to stand around waiting for others to turn up to do some random champ spawn to clock up the 2500th HP needed to open the elite skills on my 10th toon, nor do I consider it fair to ask some poor guildie to waste his valuable time coming to help at a HP for the 100th time.

Can I solo some of the champs on my mes- yes, if I time everything to break the bar and get very lucky on dodges. If I don’t then I die, and spend a long time finding an uncontested WP to respawn at and then 30 minutes getting back to the HP to die again- and you think doing that 10 times is any sort of ‘fun’?

I consider fighting other players fun. Pve mobs are just dumb and gating it behind dumb mechanics doesn’t make having to get the HP’s to unlock skills to use in wvw any more than a grind for me.

call it cheese if you will, but just because you refuse to build tankier doesnt mean that you should be able to glass your way through everything. That was theentire philosophy of this expansion