Guild Wars 2

Can we have XP mean something again please. i have finished all core tyria masteries and every time i do something, it feels very much pointless. its a little depressing.

Can it maybe contribute to my HoT XP since i’m almost never on those maps. Because doing HoT masteries is incredibly grindy( the last time i tried anyway). Plus not having all the skills others have on HoT maps is pretty discouraging too, feels like i don’t belong there.

It was never great. Making it useful again would be nice.

why cant we get a pve chest at the end like wvw and pvp

Torady.3907:

why cant we get a pve chest at the end like wvw and pvp

This ^ with a mystic coin in it.

It truly does feel like a waste of time, unfortunately. When in low level maps that I’ve completed on an 80 I can’t help, but avoid events, downed players surrounded by vets in hard to reach areas, and any and every mob for the most part. Then it’s the opposite spectrum in HoT maps, at least until I finish all the masteries :/

Even if the reward is one spirit shard per bar I’d be happy. It just feels awful seeing the XP go nowhere, but also the bonus XP that just adds to that bad feeling.

I stopped for unnecessary killing because it has no experience earning. I stopped doing event for the same reason. At the end, I stopped to play GW2, except login for getting daily reward (without doing daily). Experience earning is vital to me, even nothing big can get with it.

Vavume.8065:

Torady.3907:

why cant we get a pve chest at the end like wvw and pvp

This ^ with a mystic coin in it.

P L U S O N E

I just completed all of my Tyria masteries, so I’m feeling this too.

I would like to be able to earn xp again – and get something for completing a level.

What I would like to see is an account-bound reward chest granted for each level, that when opened would give us a choice from several rewards (somewhat like the 28th day log-in reward chest does).

The list of reward choices could include (in whatever amounts Anet decided were balanced):

- tome(s) of knowledge / spirit shard(s)
- mystic coin(s)
- mystic forge stone(s)
- obsidian shard(s)
- laurel(s)
- gem(s)
- or even just an amount of in-game money

This would ensure that the reward remained relevant to every player, no matter what objectives they were working towards at the time.

I would like it if that reward chest was stackable too

More things to use spirit shards one would be nice. Hell just add some items that take kittening dumps on your spirit shards, like more infusion auras like ghostly.

I want SOMETHING for XP past 80/masteries. There are so many things I just skip over now that I used to do. Rez NPCs. Local events. Even killing stuff; now I just run through, because they’re no point to killing them any more.

Vavume.8065:

Torady.3907:

why cant we get a pve chest at the end like wvw and pvp

This ^ with a mystic coin in it.

The funny thing about WvW – the rewards you are talking are for the WXP levels.

But you also get normal EXP. Which currently once you reach 80 is redirected into a black hole of uselessness (like /dev/null) as it neither counts for HoT masteries not Tyria masteries.

It appears that a lot of stull they changed with HoT was left partially undeveloped with the “Well deal with that later” approach. Unfortunately it’s months and still many release-time issues have not been addressed (The “EXP” thing WvW players noticed right away on HoT release day).

agreed. also it feels like you hardly get anything. even for exploring. so i also have hardly any of the skills to move to different areas.
i have just played before and just felt out of place because of the missing skills that take ages to get. and other reasons too like i die so quickly now from nearly every enemy i encounter. traversing through the maps is nearly impossible to explore without getting killed by one of them.

I don’t really understand the people who say the skip over things they used to do just because now the XP they get doesn’t mean anything. Same here, the XP I get in core Tyria doesnt give me anything extra but I still res players, because its a nice thing to do. I still help lower levels with events and hero points because I like helping people. I still res NPCs from time to time because it feels good, they can go on with their life and whatnot, its a role playing thing . I also still do events from time to time, just for the hell of it. Blowing up stuff with my meteor showers is fun. I don’t see why you would suddenly stop doing things just because there is no reward attached to it. If you only did it to get rewards in the first place then perhaps you’re not playing the game to have fun but just grinding rewards for the next ‘fix’.

I much rather have stuff available in the open for me to play around with than have them gated behind “progression”. That just forces me to do stuff I don’t want to do to unlock stuff I want to do.

On the topic though, adding a simple reward to celebrate another full XP bar would still be cool. It wouldn’t change how I play but it would be cool to see a small chess pop up, rewarding me with a mystic coin, a spirit shard or whatever every once in a while. I just don’t want to see anything gated behind it, else sooner or later it will force you to grind it and that takes all the fun away.

I definitely agree that there should absolutely be nothing gated behind it. A small chest would mean the world to me. Though with my XP in Tyria being absolutely useless it often just makes me think why am I here, and that I’m wasting my time on my map completion character.

It of course has no effect on my gathering addiction, completing maps on my 80s (for the joy of exploration at least), and stories I get immersed in with certain events, but then it keeps going back to that feeling of I’m wasting my time since I’m getting XP for every little thing I do as a reminder. So the option to turn off XP pop-ups would be a nice alternative.

I still want my XP to go somewhere :<

:D

MoarChaos.8320:

It of course has no effect on my gathering addiction, completing maps on my 80s (for the joy of exploration at least), and stories I get immersed in with certain events, but then it keeps going back to that feeling of I’m wasting my time since I’m getting XP for every little thing I do as a reminder. So the option to turn off XP pop-ups would be a nice alternative.

This resonates with me, but sadly this issue is at least making me second-guess myself before I start a map completion in Tyria on my L80s, just because I think to myself:

“am I wasting experience now that might be more useful/profitable to earn in future”

such as if Anet add a post-80 levelling reward in future, like we’re asking for, or if they decide to add more Tyria mastery tracks when the next expansion comes out.

I mean sure, you can still earn experience from events, even if you have 100% world completion on all of your characters, but not as quickly as if the events and moving between them was contributing to also getting xp from hearts/PoIs/exploration at the same time.

On the bright side this is making me do HoT zones more often, but the time will come when I finish my mastery tracks in the expansion too.

Khadez.4958:

I don’t really understand the people who say the skip over things they used to do just because now the XP they get doesn’t mean anything. Same here, the XP I get in core Tyria doesnt give me anything extra but I still res players, because its a nice thing to do. I still help lower levels with events and hero points because I like helping people. I still res NPCs from time to time because it feels good, they can go on with their life and whatnot, its a role playing thing . I also still do events from time to time, just for the hell of it. Blowing up stuff with my meteor showers is fun. I don’t see why you would suddenly stop doing things just because there is no reward attached to it. If you only did it to get rewards in the first place then perhaps you’re not playing the game to have fun but just grinding rewards for the next ‘fix’.

I much rather have stuff available in the open for me to play around with than have them gated behind “progression”. That just forces me to do stuff I don’t want to do to unlock stuff I want to do.

On the topic though, adding a simple reward to celebrate another full XP bar would still be cool. It wouldn’t change how I play but it would be cool to see a small chess pop up, rewarding me with a mystic coin, a spirit shard or whatever every once in a while. I just don’t want to see anything gated behind it, else sooner or later it will force you to grind it and that takes all the fun away.

Don’t quite have to understand it to know that the phenomenon is real. It’s something the devs need to put attention toward.

I could see myself being nice and rezzing a downed player, and at least event participation gives tangible rewards, but most of the time, I’m avoiding content that would give me too much XP, because dailies already fill that bar. Yup, not even done with all the Tyria masteries, and I’m already ducking content that slows me down.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: that full xp bar every time I look down says " hey, buddy, you’re done." It just hastens the day when I say yep that’s it for this game. Bad bad psychology for retaining customers.

I have lost almost all motivation to do anything in GW2 due to the way it now handles XP. What do you do when nothing you do improves you?

I may have miscommunicated: I don’t rez NPCs. I DO rez players. In fact, I go out of my way to do so. My version of the Golden Rule (for GW).

And, I’ll do events in zones above tier 1, because of the map rewards. They aren’t much, but as long as the event doesn’t take me away from my path or gobble too much time, why not? But, defend the keep for 5 minutes? Why bother? It’s worth almost nothing.

All I would like to see is something akin to the map rewards. Give us a tier 6 crafting mat, even if limited to the common ones. A chance at a rare. ANYTHING.

I’d rather if they disabled the XP floating text after maxing the masteries so I get less
useless clutter in my UI.
The faded out XP bar at the bottom of my screen is a welcome change.

Torady.3907:

why cant we get a pve chest at the end like wvw and pvp

This would be awesome, and honestly I don’t care if it a holy kitten SINGLE mystic coin. At least we’d be getting something for experience, though I’d be more in favor of working on a reward more tied logically to “experience”.

ffletcher.3468:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: that full xp bar every time I look down says " hey, buddy, you’re done." It just hastens the day when I say yep that’s it for this game. Bad bad psychology for retaining customers.

I’m sorry but. .that’s kinda stupid. You judge whether you are done with game from being max level not how much content you actually have and how much you like playing it? you hit max level in GW1 long before finishing the plot. You shouldn’t need carrot on a stick for something you supposedly do for fun.

This is bad idea in my opinion. I didn’t like xp bar before HoT because it looked like never ending grind for levels.

I doubt they would ever give a mystic coin for it since they’re intended to be pretty rare, and yes I understand you can get multiple accounts to do a farm for them. That however is irrelevant to the average player. I just don’t agree with Isis, which sounds hilarious xD. The current mastery system is really all about the grind if you want a HoT legendary or just the perks to do maps and other content like treasure shrooms. Then it comes to a screeching halt when you finish Tyria or HoT masteries. So if that was a driving metaphor you’d be dead. Mwahahahahahaha (cough)

So please give us at least a spirit shard and the ability to repeatedly fill our finished bars! A shiny bauble, old ticket stubs, a slightly round pebble, anything! For some of us the feeling that completely useless XP gives is unbearable.

Demented Sheep.1642:

You shouldn’t need carrot on a stick for something you supposedly do for fun.

Whenever I hear this argument I can’t help wondering how true the proponent is to their convictions.. but besides that, in a game that’s about self-improvement, the carrot is a crucial part of the fun.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Demented Sheep.1642:

You shouldn’t need carrot on a stick for something you supposedly do for fun.

Whenever I hear this argument I can’t help wondering how true the proponent is to their convictions.. but besides that, in a game that’s about self-improvement, the carrot is a crucial part of the fun.

You could self improve by actually improving instead of watching some number go up.

Demented Sheep.1642:

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Demented Sheep.1642:

You shouldn’t need carrot on a stick for something you supposedly do for fun.

Whenever I hear this argument I can’t help wondering how true the proponent is to their convictions.. but besides that, in a game that’s about self-improvement, the carrot is a crucial part of the fun.

You could self improve by actually improving instead of watching some number go up.

And now I can’t help wondering if that strawman was intentional. Or if the entire absurdity of that statement was intentional.