Guild Wars 2

In European version of the game we have different servers by different language so naturally people from Germany, France or Spain tend to join those servers. Many of them probably can’t even talk English… Now we don’t see their text in map chat as it filters threw, but we still do events together with them and stuff.

Example: we ask 100 times to go waypoint if u are dead in silverwastes events due to boss scaling… And some people don’t even understand us… then when we finally res them you see something like ‘’ merci ’’…. like really man? you can’t even thank me in English…

Not being able to communicate in large events is a burden and it needs to be solved, knowing that we expansion is comming we will probably get more large events and this will become even bigger problem. This only fuels rage since miscommunication leads to failure and gamers hate failures…

So i suggest bond different language servers into different megaservers so people can organise better and don’t allow switch megaservers from one language to another. Yes i know your arguement: “Im from that server and i can talk English why punish me”, well u can always change server(more money for the company).

Or another suggestion is to bond servers by client language(we know there are different client version and u can pick which u like). So if u enjoy talking in English and working with us, you could just swap client language and reach our megaservers…

The mega server instances already takes this into account.

lordkrall.7241:

The mega server instances already takes this into account.

And we still end up with people speaking 5 different languages on the same megaserver.

Nope thank you.

doesn’t matter unless world bosses. And even then everyone know what to do during them. Anet has never make anything to difficult once mechanics are well known.

Zanshin.5379:

lordkrall.7241:

The mega server instances already takes this into account.

And we still end up with people speaking 5 different languages on the same megaserver.

Yes because the system favors a full map of people speaking different languages over several mostly empty maps of people speaking a single language.

Or… you could, you know, try not to see English as being so superior? If it bothers you so much, learn some phrases in those languages instead of expecting them to do so. They have no obligation to learn your language so if YOU want to speak to THEM the courteous thing to do is to learn their language. Not the other way around, IMO.

Fay.2735:

Or… you could, you know, try not to see English as being so superior? If it bothers you so much, learn some phrases in those languages instead of expecting them to do so. They have no obligation to learn your language so if YOU want to speak to THEM the courteous thing to do is to learn their language. Not the other way around, IMO.

Like this?

Use waypoint when dead! Utilisez waypoint lorsque morts! Verwenden Sie Wegpunkt, wenn tot! Utilice waypoint cuando muertos!

Used Google translate but I think they understand this So now copy paste this and use it on MapChat

Really? I am seeing English as a superior because i proposed to divide servers to English base, German base, French base etc.? Where is this seeing English being superior or is that because English population is the majority of the game? I have no point to learn a language which is basicly talked in 1 country and if they see no point to learn English we have no way to communicate and our gameplay gets worse. This is not about rasism to other language its about improving gameplay for all.

Correct me if I’m wrong but megaserver doesnt take in account people taxi’ing at all and so we end up in server where we see commanders on map who doesnt talk to us because they don’t know English.

Again to the guy who gave his: “Anet gives easy content no need to being able to speak with people” … Well triple thread comes to mind, of course silverwastes, do you even know how many runs fail due to incapability to organise better? On top of that Anet clearly stated that in expansion they will give really difficult content to make the game harder…

So give conclusive arguements because writting: ‘’nope because i don’t like it" is childish at best.

Fay.2735:

Or… you could, you know, try not to see English as being so superior? If it bothers you so much, learn some phrases in those languages instead of expecting them to do so. They have no obligation to learn your language so if YOU want to speak to THEM the courteous thing to do is to learn their language. Not the other way around, IMO.

English is superior, most folk in europe know english, like it or not it’s the most common tongue. And not all of us who speak english are from the uk. There are other countries in europe, believe it or not. I don’t see any french, german or spanish person trying to speak norwegian, or bulgarian or any other of them other “lesser” languages. And those folk already did their bit and learned english. Now they have to learn spanish, and french and german cause god forbit the spaniards, the germans and the french learn anything other than their native languages. So it’s not MY language they have to learn, but A language that the rest of europe uses to communicate. Unless of course everyone not french, german or spanish is beneath them or something. In which case they should get their own server and not mingle with us peasants from the rest of europe.

PorceleinEve.2973:

English is superior, most folk in europe know english, like it or not it’s the most common tongue. And not all of us who speak english are from the uk. There are other countries in europe, believe it or not. I don’t see any french, german or spanish person trying to speak norwegian, or bulgarian or any other of them other “lesser” languages. And those folk already did their bit and learned english. Now they have to learn spanish, and french and german cause god forbit the spaniards, the germans and the french learn anything other than their native languages. So it’s not MY language they have to learn, but A language that the rest of europe uses to communicate. Unless of course everyone not french, german or spanish is beneath them or something. In which case they should get their own server and not mingle with us peasants from the rest of europe.

That doesn’t make it ‘superior’ that just makes it more commonly used. Superior indicates it being better than, which it is not, just different. There is a vast difference between superior and more commonly used.

I sincerely dislike it when people who complain about and look down their nose at other languages and cultures as if they expect everyone else to speak the same as them just because theirs is the most popular and therefore ‘superior’.

Less popular languages are just as valid as English. It doesn’t take that much effort to google translate simple phrases. You’re part of a multi-lingual world, it’s important to be respectful of other peoples languages and it’s only sensible to approach another person by speaking their language rather than expecting them to speak yours. It just comes down to respect.

I think it’s discourteous to expect everyone to heel to your own language ‘just’ because it’s the most popular. Excuses like “Oh because they do x y z too” just falls short for me. Learn to get along, and that goes for all sides, it’s not that hard if people weren’t so stubborn and acted so superior.

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi

If you want people to try to speak your language to you when they approach you, you should do the same in return to begin with, eye for an eye.

Guess I might be a minority with that opinion…. oh well, that’s a shame.

What about bilingual people? I speak English, Spanish, Russian, and I can understand a little of German as well. I enjoy to use all 3 languages on megaserver. Any dedicated servers for me?

Kitten everybody about English superiority. It’s legacy of English imperial land-grab, witch is not welcome by the most of Earth population. And by the way there is life outside EU and US, do you know it?

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Fay.2735:

That doesn’t make it ‘superior’ that just makes it more commonly used. Superior indicates it being better than, which it is not, just different. There is a vast difference between superior and more commonly used.

I sincerely dislike it when people who complain about and look down their nose at other languages and cultures as if they expect everyone else to speak the same as them just because theirs is the most popular and therefore ‘superior’.

Less popular languages are just as valid as English. It doesn’t take that much effort to google translate simple phrases. You’re part of a multi-lingual world, it’s important to be respectful of other peoples languages and it’s only sensible to approach another person by speaking their language rather than expecting them to speak yours. It just comes down to respect.

I think it’s discourteous to expect everyone to heel to your own language ‘just’ because it’s the most popular. Excuses like “Oh because they do x y z too” just falls short for me. Learn to get along, and that goes for all sides, it’s not that hard if people weren’t so stubborn and acted so superior.

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi

If you want people to try to speak your language to you when they approach you, you should do the same in return to begin with, eye for an eye.

Guess I might be a minority with that opinion…. oh well, that’s a shame.

It absolutely makes it superior for communicating in a multi language community.

And if you hate them snobs, maybe, just maybe you should be encouraging them french, german and spanish folk to learn a bit of english, like everyone else, instead of insisting that the only way of communicating with them is via their native language.

And no, the sensible thing is not to try and speak their language. We’re not visiting their countries, nor are we refugees that need to adapt. Most people know and understand english, so english should be our first choice. You can speak in your native language with your friends, and your guildies and what not. But in a game that has a multi language community that share servers the sensible thing is to speak in the -most common language spoken- and wheather you or the spanish, german and french like it, that’s english. I’ve had it with the special snowflakes who like everybody else in europe to adapt to their cultural norms cause they don’t want to be inconvenienced. The english speaking population isn’t invading their servers. Their servers aren’t enough to support them and the spill over to the english servers. So even by your logic they should speak english, or at least try.

I’m not asking for anyone to adapt and speak MY language, since you’re having trouble understanding that. Here let me clarify it for you. MY language, IS NOT ENGLISH. Very few people in here speak my language (hell if i recall correctly, in here, the client doesn’t even support my alphabet), and i don’t go around expecting people to go learn it if they want to talk to me. UNLIKE those french, germans and spanish who think it’s absolutely ok to do just that, and you obviously defending them.

I am the change i want to be, i speak english, french, learning japanese and my native language ofcourse (which isn’t english in case you missed that whole paragraph over this one). Now go tell those germans, french and spanish folk to do the same, instead of pointing the finger at everybody else, telling them to adapt. We’ve already adapted. We didn’t confine our language skills in our native language only. It’s their turn now.

Als Erstes einmal Entschuldigung dafür, das jetzt alles auf deutsch folgt, aber das scheint mir die einzige passende Art zu sein hier zu antworten.

Was erlaubt Ihr euch eigentlich, anderen Menschen vorschreiben zu wollen, in welcher Sprache sie in GW2 kommunizieren? Oder aber am Liebsten gleich alle aus dem Megaserver rauszuwerfen?
Einfach mal das so hoch angepriesene europäische Miteinander praktizieren würde ich vorschlagen. Jeder schreibt in seiner eigenen Muttersprache und gut ist.
Funfact am Rande, die meistgesprochene Muttersprache in Europa ist Deutsch, also passt euch mal schön an :P j/k

na ’sai kala re man poy apedeixes me tosh eukolia auto pou legame.

ah nai, gia na mh to xexasw…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union

PorceleinEve.2973:

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Short version you are just being an elitist knee jerk… Sorry have to get it out of my system.
Can I get my point moderator please ? & the thread closed too ?

papry.8096:

PorceleinEve.2973:

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Short version you are just being an elitist knee jerk… Sorry have to get it out of my system.
Can I get my point moderator please ? & the thread closed too ?

so let me get this straight, the folk who want everyone to speak english so we can understand each other are the “elitists” and the people who don’t care about it are on the right? is that it? if so why did you got so upset by me using a language you don’t understand? you should be totally happy and accepting… how does that works exactly?

Adrift.8596:

Example: we ask 100 times to go waypoint if u are dead in silverwastes events due to boss scaling… And some people don’t even understand us… then when we finally res them you see something like ‘’ merci ’’…. like really man? you can’t even thank me in English…

So basically has you need a culprit for a failure.
Your first argument is “that the fault of those that thanked me in french”.
These guys doesn’t understand me & don’t read the map channel.
So yeah let’s all seclude them; these kitten non english speaker.

Has it ever occured to you that there is bad/doesn’t caring/leecher/newbie players regardless of which language they speak ?

Adrift.8596:

Really? I am seeing English as a superior because i proposed to divide servers to English base, German base, French base etc.? Where is this seeing English being superior or is that because English population is the majority of the game? I have no point to learn a language which is basicly talked in 1 country and if they see no point to learn English we have no way to communicate and our gameplay gets worse. This is not about rasism to other language its about improving gameplay for all.

Is there really a need to explain to you where is the ****** part about language superiority ?

PorceleinEve.2973:

na ’sai kala re man poy apedeixes me tosh eukolia auto pou legame.

ah nai, gia na mh to xexasw…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union

Well see there; I just didn’t care. :p

Actually people won’t go to waypoint even if they understood english. Why go to waypoint when you can rez me ;_;

papry.8096:

Is there really a need to explain to you where is the ****** part about language superiority ?

There isn’t one. You just think it is. It’s all in your mind.

nGumball.1283:

Actually people won’t go to waypoint even if they understood english. Why go to waypoint when you can rez me ;_;

but then you do have the opportunity to explain to them that the boss takes some time to scale down to the new size of the zerg, and thus by not resing he’s making it harder for everyone. not to mention than in some fights, like tequatl, you end up dead yourself just by trying to res someone else. so even if he doesn’t change his behaviour you’ve atleast explained it, and he then makes the conscious choice to be a kitten.

So funny you European folk don’t get the concept of ‘lingua franca’; you’ve had that concept for thousands of years … the current one is English, learn it and get over yourselves.

Ok so Papry explain to me: where is the downside of having language specific megaservers? Because all u talk about is ’’superiority" “seclusion” etc.

If they refuse to learn English and we refuse to learn their language whats the point having such person beside u anyway for both sides for communication reasons alone. THIS IS A 2 WAY STREET.

And my suggestion about client language is very valid for people who talk multilanguages too. You just change the client language and you become a part of that language community too.

Should I repeat again I wrote this not to start a racism war for languages. If you have reasons not to talk English i accept but don’t expect me to talk French for example and with split megaservers everyone is happy.

Ok so i had another wild idea appear which is more tolerant to everyone and more appealing.

We would still have split megaserver by language and when u go from one megaserver to another by taxi(to your friend lets say) if the languge is different to the one you are at the point of taxi’ing pop up appears: " You are about to change to a German base megaserver" with options continue or decline.

Doing this people will know what to expect… for example if I am at French silverwastes I can expect to be misunderstood so I would just silently doing events I like.

This way it give information about the server you are, maintains a bonds u may have with different culture people, allows multilanguage players to talk with whom they want and ensures that main population of the server is specific language base.

You don’t see the irony of ‘splitting’ megaservers? It seems you don’t understand how they work or what the point of having them is.

Obtena.7952:

You don’t see the irony of ‘splitting’ megaservers? It seems you don’t understand how they work or what the point of having them is.

Its more like i personally believe it was a mistake to sum up all servers into 1 instead of combining them by language. We still have more than enough player base to split into 3-4 megaservers(if u look at overcrowded world events where u just stand there pressing 1 until boss dies coz there are too many people). Not to mention we already have that in LFG… since u see a flag of what country people party is composed…

Adrift.8596:

Obtena.7952:

You don’t see the irony of ‘splitting’ megaservers? It seems you don’t understand how they work or what the point of having them is.

Its more like i personally believe it was a mistake to sum up all servers into 1 instead of combining them by language. We still have more than enough player base to split into 3-4 megaservers(if u look at overcrowded world events where u just stand there pressing 1 until boss dies coz there are too many people). Not to mention we already have that in LFG… since u see a flag of what country people party is composed…

that would probably only be “a solution” for the spanish, french and german servers, but not the international servers.

btw. the servers already work that way. they normally pool the 4 supported client languages into there own maps … people who taxi to specific maps bypass that system on purpose.

Adrift.8596:

Obtena.7952:

You don’t see the irony of ‘splitting’ megaservers? It seems you don’t understand how they work or what the point of having them is.

Its more like i personally believe it was a mistake to sum up all servers into 1 instead of combining them by language. We still have more than enough player base to split into 3-4 megaservers(if u look at overcrowded world events where u just stand there pressing 1 until boss dies coz there are too many people). Not to mention we already have that in LFG… since u see a flag of what country people party is composed…

Whether you think it’s a mistake or not, it’s ridiculous to suggest they circumvent their megaserver solution just to segregate people that feel they shouldn’t have to tolerant alternate languages.

This thread made me sad.

I’m french. I’m always talking in english first in the game because it’s the fastest approach/I guess most people are english/or they know a bit of english anyway. If any of the latter doesn’t apply, we try to adapt in dungeons or fractals, because I might talk english, but it doesn’t mean everyone does : in this particular case, I’m the odd one, while people talking in their native tongue only is a pretty commun, logical thing. They should be able to play a 12+ game without having to master others languages— not that it’s not nice when people try.

When it’s in Open World, if you’re not a big serious commander that won’t tolerate people being people and basically doing what they want, I don’t know why it should matters to you whether or not people talk english. I’m not even sure you can truly perceive if people don’t understand you or if they do and just decide to do whatever they want. World-events tend to fail for a lot of reasons, not just because of miscommunication, which itself isn’t exclusif to : “we don’t talk the same language, so it must screw things up.”

Finally, I don’t think it kills your immersion if I tell you merci. Actually, I’m trying to be nice. It’s like I’m giving you two bucks and you spit on me because you wanted 10. How am I even supposed to guess you’re english on top of it ?

Also, the way you say “us” and somehow distance yourself from your fellow non-english players… It sounds a bit obnoxious. No offense, but not only is your idea of “splitting” Megaservers basically going back to what was before, but it’s also quite narrow-minded. Megaservers were truly a blessing for empty maps and failed events— I’m having so much fun levelling my rerolls and witnessing zones ALIVE ; I hadn’t seen that since launch. It don’t care if people talk french, german or spanish in the chat. They don’t bother me, they don’t threaten my good old country, and most of all, they should be able to talk in whatever manner they see fit.

You’ll pardon me for my spelling errors, or maybe you won’t. English is not my native language, yet I feel like I should constantly apologize for trying to adapt and cater to a majority who’s sometimes not really understanding at all. Crazy, right ? Good thing I don’t judge a whole group for its few black sheeps.

Obtena.7952:

Whether you think it’s a mistake or not, it’s ridiculous to suggest they circumvent their megaserver solution just to segregate people that feel they shouldn’t have to tolerant alternate languages.

that’s true, they should enforce an english only in zone chat rule and be done with it, after a few bans folks would get the message just fine. alternative languages my cat…

Ekliane.5476:

This thread made me sad.

me too, the entitlement of some folk is off the charts, expecting everyone to learn their native language if they want to communicate, cause it’s gonna inconvenience them to learn something themselves.

Ekliane.5476:

in this particular case, I’m the odd one, while people talking in their native tongue only is a pretty commun, logical thing. They should be able to play a 12+ game without having to master others languages— not that it’s not nice when people try.

no you’re not, you’re the actually considerate guy here and thank you for that. don’t apologise for being community minded. and no, it’s not logical to speak on your own language in a game that encompases the whole continent of europe. in the union alone we got like 25, 26 languages? what -exactly- makes the french, the spanish and the german special snowflakes that dn’t have to speak in a language that everyone can understand. -ESPECIALLY- when they decide to taxi in an -english- speaking server. i mean i get it, scandinavians, balkans, and the rest of europe are bloody peasants who don’t get special servers with their language, or clients with their languages, or even their bloody alphabet supported in the game. do we now have to also learn french, german and spanish if we want to communicate with people. is it not enough we learned english? is it not enough that 51% of the whole of europe can communicate with english? honestly the levels of entitlement and priviledge of some folks…

Ekliane.5476:

Also, the way you say “us” and somehow distance yourself from your fellow non-english players… It sounds a bit obnoxious. No offense, but not only is your idea of “splitting” Megaservers basically going back to what was before, but it’s also quite narrow-minded. Megaservers were truly a blessing for empty maps and failed events— I’m having so much fun levelling my rerolls and witnessing zones ALIVE ; I hadn’t seen that since launch. It don’t care if people talk french, german or spanish in the chat. They don’t bother me, they don’t threaten my good old country, and most of all, they should be able to talk in whatever manner they see fit.

sorry but with 51% of europe speaking english, it’s not the english speakers that distance themselves. it’s the french, german and spanish communities that decided the’ll never do one single thing to try and communicate with their neighbours cause they’re just superior to the rest of us. do you see bulgarians here demanding folks learn bulgarian if folks want to communicate with them? no? only french, germans and spaniards do that. and not in this game, but in all the games. they’re just too good to speak english, they -demand- that the rest of the population learns their superior language. while they themselves dont bother leanring anything. i’m sorry but that’s not us distancing ourselves from you, but you behaving in a way that suggests you want nothing to do with us. and then they come to threads like this one and point the finger at us for being “intolerant”… we even had one german reply to us in german in here. cause we’re sooo intolerant ….

Ekliane.5476:

You’ll pardon me for my spelling errors, or maybe you won’t. English is not my native language, yet I feel like I should constantly apologize for trying to adapt and cater to a majority who’s sometimes not really understanding at all. Crazy, right ? Good thing I don’t judge a whole group for its few black sheeps.

my friend, nobody will judge you on your grammar, the only sad thing here is that you don’t understand that you’re the minority of your community and not the majority. think of it differently. how would you feel if folks moved to your french server, and when you tried to speak to them, they insisted that you speak their native language if you wanted to communicate with them?

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Lol, there is no Cyrillic support even on Anet forums, like ingame, they don’t like people of
Belarus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Macedonia
Mongolia
Montenegro
Russia
Serbia
Tajikistan
Ukraine

Just kidding ^.^, but people, for example right now in Russia you could easily get good job when you know Chineese, while most of “English” jobs is just crap and bull. I know this kitten very well as I am currently unemployed person with Hotel industry background. Don’t think that everywhere English is superior, even in Europe it is not true.

agree w/ OP.

megaserver doesn’t filter language/region well enough.

there’s a reason the game started with “unofficial” regional/language-based servers.

has nothing to do w/ one language being superior or not…….games are meant to be leisure/fun to play…not a language homework assignment because megaserver sent me to a server where half the people are typing in german.

Fay.2735:

PorceleinEve.2973:

English is superior, most folk in europe know english, like it or not it’s the most common tongue. And not all of us who speak english are from the uk. There are other countries in europe, believe it or not. I don’t see any french, german or spanish person trying to speak norwegian, or bulgarian or any other of them other “lesser” languages. And those folk already did their bit and learned english. Now they have to learn spanish, and french and german cause god forbit the spaniards, the germans and the french learn anything other than their native languages. So it’s not MY language they have to learn, but A language that the rest of europe uses to communicate. Unless of course everyone not french, german or spanish is beneath them or something. In which case they should get their own server and not mingle with us peasants from the rest of europe.

That doesn’t make it ‘superior’ that just makes it more commonly used. Superior indicates it being better than, which it is not, just different. There is a vast difference between superior and more commonly used.

I sincerely dislike it when people who complain about and look down their nose at other languages and cultures as if they expect everyone else to speak the same as them just because theirs is the most popular and therefore ‘superior’.

Less popular languages are just as valid as English. It doesn’t take that much effort to google translate simple phrases. You’re part of a multi-lingual world, it’s important to be respectful of other peoples languages and it’s only sensible to approach another person by speaking their language rather than expecting them to speak yours. It just comes down to respect.

I think it’s discourteous to expect everyone to heel to your own language ‘just’ because it’s the most popular. Excuses like “Oh because they do x y z too” just falls short for me. Learn to get along, and that goes for all sides, it’s not that hard if people weren’t so stubborn and acted so superior.

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi

If you want people to try to speak your language to you when they approach you, you should do the same in return to begin with, eye for an eye.

Guess I might be a minority with that opinion…. oh well, that’s a shame.

makes it a social justice issue where there was none….yuck. stick to giving out great mesmer advice.

Would kinda ruin the idea of megaserver. Megaserver is designed to combine every server to make pretty much the whole world populated at all times. There are only a couple of non-english servers per language so those worlds would feel terribly empty,
and it would probably be noticeable population loss even on english side.

Sooo.. No, I like the current system more. I don’t mind other languages. English isn’t my first language either so I’m not overly fanatical for using and hearing only that.

Ok, Originally, I just wanted to add my two cents as I felt I was kinda part of the main debate for once, but since you raised some interesting points, I’ll answer to you, hope you’re okay with that I don’t want to be the cause of this thread going south.

PorceleinEve.2973:

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I think it mostly depends on personal experience ; that’s why we can’t get along on this thread.

You feel like it’s normal for people to speak english on GW, and I will say it’s the most logical choice (I tend to channel my inner-Vulcan on these issues). What I disagree with you is that “french, german, spanish” are all entitlted kittenes who refuses to “lower” their standards for the sake of playing the game. Broaden your mind ; as I said it already, it’s a 12+ game. Some people just don’t know english, and I don’t think it’s a good enough reason to bare them from accessing english zones. Personally, most of the time I don’t even know where I go when I get taxi’d by my guild… And it’s a pretty common thing to believe all the “action” is on english servers (more people/more stuff done/more WvW potential) and to hop on it.

In closed-games (dungeons/fractals/parties), I will often, if not practically always bump into people speaking english first. Now, you can see when people are not native (sometimes it’s a bit broken, sometimes they are speaking to you then repeating to their buddies in say, german). When in dungeons, you don’t say hi, you say “english ?”, which is kind of the same thing. But I never, ever got confronted to non-english speakers entitltement. Am I blind to it ? Or is it simply not a true issue, but more like a battle of egos getting prickled too often ?

PorceleinEve.2973:

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That’s just not true. You can’t paint whole community the same color because, sadly, you’re bumping into the worst of it. Some people just don’t care about the group— they think about themselves without understanding that, by not cooperating, he jeopardizes the whole event not only for himself but for everyone. It’s a kitten mindset, granted, but I don’t think it’s exclusive to non-english speakers.

I never saw anyone demanding to speak their language, safe for OP ? I can’t tell for others games, simply that it mostly depends not on the nationalities, but on the community mentality. I had the best of times on the Secret World, and I sticked around not only for the awesome storyline, but for the genuine kindness of people. Granted, it’s a more obscure, mature game, but still, instead of seeing people jumping at each others throats, you have real communication and civility. And that kicks kitten.

PorceleinEve.2973:

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Well, OP did pointed the “broken english” of some non-native speakers, which is what irked me the most I think. I, as in, me, insignificant player in the mass that compose HW, perfectly understand my place in the Great Alchemy of things. I’m french, thanks Dwayna I can speak a solid english. But to say I’m only one of the few functionning like that ? It’s a bit unfair. prejudices against the triumvirate of hell is also an issue, I think. Granted, when you get confronted to the problem a number of times, you tend to generalize. But don’t ! Learn to live and let go.

I understand we all care about the issues as players, especially if we feel like it’s hindering the gaming experience. But I also feel a bit of an underlining, a good ol’ battle of egos as well as classic clichés and traditional scuffles between nations. I feel like I’m running in circles here myself— I don’t think it’s such a big deal. Stupidity knows no boundaries, and I learned to block & report my way out of GW. We don’t have the best of communities, but it’s also up to us to be positive in hope players will be respond to that.

(Thanks for the answer anyway, Eve ! Twas nice, I really expected nasty stuff.)

Relshdan.6854:

makes it a social justice issue where there was none….yuck. stick to giving out great mesmer advice.

Being respectful of other cultures and languages doesn’t make it about ‘social justice’ it’s about common sense and mutual respect. Since when is being respectful of others before expecting respect back considered a somehow appalling or bad concept.

I guess if being respectful is considered some kind of ‘yucky social justice’ thing I’d rather be labeled as such than BE the kind of person who considers courtesy as a ‘yucky social justice’ thing or whom considers themselves as being so much better and superior because of the random sounds expelled from ones throat being different.

Relshdan.6854:

makes it a social justice issue where there was none….yuck. stick to giving out great mesmer advice.

Pointing out the absurdity of demanding people speak your chosen language is a social justice issue? No, I’m thinking it’s more of a reality check. This is a big world, and you speaking a language doesn’t give you the right or reason to demand that others speak it.

How about those other people? They’re speaking their own language and understanding it just fine until you came along speaking gibberish to them. It must be incredibly irritating to them to have all these people speaking garbage english to them when there’s the perfectly fine language of (insert language here) to speak. It’s just disrespectful that you haven’t learned their own language to communicate properly with them.

Ultimately, this thread is the height of absurdity and arrogance. Demanding that other people bend to your whims is not only foolhardy, but insulting to all other cultures. If you don’t want to interact with other people, I’d recommend that you stop playing any online games. This way, you can be safe and isolated in your basement without needing to worry about scary encounters with other languages and cultures.

Pessoas escreveram em outra língua que não entendo, então vou escrever uma mensagem aleatória na minha língua nativa porque sim.

Personally, I learned to speak english with games, and I am pretty used to english in games. Also, I think it is the more common language, so I use english when approaching people in games (I started a few talks in english with people from my own country before realizing we spoke the same native language).

Since english is the most common language here, I support that people learn at least a little bit of english, not only to help in the game, but also because it is a useful thing to learn (though any language is useful to learn IMO), but even then, learning a few lines like “go back to wp” in other languages can help a lot.

But about the people dying on bosses and asking for rez, it is not a thing that depends on the person speaking or not english… the other day I saw a guy getting killed on the inquest golem electric floor and then going on chat and starting “rez please” “I need rez” “can someone rez me?” “really guys, I need someone to rez me here” without realizing that any player that try to rez him so he doesn’t have to wp and walk for 30 seconds will get killed too…

Fay.2357:

Pointing out the absurdity of demanding people speak your chosen language is a social justice issue? No, I’m thinking it’s more of a reality check. This is a big world, and you speaking a language doesn’t give you the right or reason to demand that others speak it.

How about those other people? They’re speaking their own language and understanding it just fine until you came along speaking gibberish to them. It must be incredibly irritating to them to have all these people speaking garbage english to them when there’s the perfectly fine language of (insert language here) to speak. It’s just disrespectful that you haven’t learned their own language to communicate properly with them.

Ultimately, this thread is the height of absurdity and arrogance. Demanding that other people bend to your whims is not only foolhardy, but insulting to all other cultures. If you don’t want to interact with other people, I’d recommend that you stop playing any online games. This way, you can be safe and isolated in your basement without needing to worry about scary encounters with other languages and cultures.

Not realizing that what you say applys against and not for you is priceless.

Like speaking a language doesn’t give you the right or reason to demand that others speak it, unless of course you are french, german or spanish, in which case it’s totally ok.

Yeah man, how about all of us in the DESIGNATED ENGLISH SERVERS, speaking ENGLISH and then having them others coming into our servers speaking gibberish to us, gibberish we don’t understand. And omg YES you are totally right, it is extremely irritating, that’s why we’re posting about it here. Imagine us speaking perfectly fine english and having suddenly to content with all these people speaking garbage german and french and spanish. It is indeed extremely disrespectful of them to not learn english to talk to us, in our own servers. Extremely.

This thread is indeed the height of absurdity and arrogance. Having germans/french/spanish ppl demanding we learn to speak germarn/french/spanish in the english speaking server is downright insulting. Not only to native english speakers, but also to all of us, the lesser folk of europe, the peasants who we don’t get to have our own alphabet supported by the game, let alone dedicated servers and clients with our language. Imagine how insulting that is, having all those arrogant entitled germans, insisting that german is the -only- language they’ll be using when they taxi into our perfectly fine and full english servers for an event cause their own lil’ servers can’t do it.

Indeed i agree with your proposition. These folks should not play -any- mmos till they go learn a bit of english so as to not insult everyone with their over the top entitlement. Or better yet, anet should enforce heavily a language barrier amongst megaservers or even better than that, make every server english only and enforce it. I hate it very much when overly privileged groups decide they’re not privileged enough.

PorceleinEve.2973:

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Yeah man, how about all of us in the DESIGNATED ENGLISH SERVERS, speaking ENGLISH and then having them others coming into our servers speaking gibberish to us, gibberish we don’t understand. And omg YES you are totally right, it is extremely irritating, that’s why we’re posting about it here. Imagine us speaking perfectly fine english and having suddenly to content with all these people speaking garbage german and french and spanish. It is indeed extremely disrespectful of them to not learn english to talk to us, in our own servers. Extremely.
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I think there is the main problem. Many people (including me) don’t think of those servers as strictly english, but more as International. Something like fee for all.

To see it from another point of view. According to your Wikipedia link there are 51% of the europeans, that speak english to some degree, a whole lot of them will be those ‘ignorant french, spanish and germans’ that have there own servers. What will you do with the rest? Or the non europeans? Force them to learn english or quit playing?

Btw. most people i met started writing english as soon as they entered a party for dungeons / pvp / any other kind of small scale content … but getting forced to use english in /m or /s is beyond silly. After all it’s a fantasy game, just role-play and pretend they’re foreigners / tourists and can’t speak common (which would probably not be far from the truth).

“We”, “Us”, what are we in, a nuclear world war ? Are we that different that we can’t even get along in a video game in which we don’t even have in-depths interactions ?

Throwing accusations and running into circles in a wide echo-chamber is not going anywhere either.

And what’s up with the alleged demands people did here ? I don’t see anything related to “speak this and that”, safe for OP, and even if it had its flaws, the main post had a point. But does one spanish, french, english or german speak for all of its countrymen anyway ? What is it, United Nations ? No one told me about electing a head of the french subdivision of GW.

It’s getting ridiculous. If you can’t even listen to what the other party has to say and allow the debate to go forward, don’t participate in threads when you’re just here to settle a score and endlessly repeat what you want to say. We get it, kittens are everywhere, idiocy is not country-bound.

You bump into a stupid player, you either try to give him a few pointers, or you see it’s not your job to educate him if he’s hellbent on being a fool and you move on. You don’t go and insult a whole nationality for a few nasty guys. Raising awarness on a recurring problem ? I’m all for it. But constantly repeating a whole kind of players are terrible because a bunch of dudes did something is borderline intolerance. Mind you, it’s trending these days.

Seriously… People complained zones were empty, so Anet made the megaservers and they did it right. Now you’re going to complain about people being on “your” servers ? On a MMO ? Just because your server is labelled X or Y, it doesn’t mean it’s a no-go for any other kind of speakers. Quit hiding behind false accusations and cringy generalizations and try to see beyond your own nose. Wether your english, korean, zulu or portuguese, I think there are more priorities than to ask languages-ghettos so everyone is comfortable hearing its own language on a video-game.

You’re on a multi-player game. Sharing space is the key.

PorceleinEve.2973:

Not realizing that what you say applys against and not for you is priceless.

Dis gon b gud

PorceleinEve.2973:

Like speaking a language doesn’t give you the right or reason to demand that others speak it, unless of course you are french, german or spanish, in which case it’s totally ok.

I don’t see the french, german, and spaniards demanding that we all learn their languages. They’re perfectly happy to communicate with each other in those languages, and I’m perfectly happy to communicate with those that speak english. It’s ridiculous for anyone to demand that someone else learns their language.

PorceleinEve.2973:

Yeah man, how about all of us in the DESIGNATED ENGLISH SERVERS*

*Citation needed.

These are not designated english servers. There is no such thing. The servers contain suggestions insofar as what many people may be speaking, but there are no designations for languages. Last I checked, game language is controlled clientside, not serverside. One would think that if Anet intended servers to be only for certain languages, they’d make that language control serverside.

PorceleinEve.2973:

speaking ENGLISH and then having them others coming into our servers speaking gibberish to us, gibberish we don’t understand.

Your servers? No, they’re not your servers. They’re servers belonging to Anet, hosting a multi-national game called Guild Wars 2. Anet happens to allow players to speak whatever language they kitten well please. It’s just a tiny bit presumptuous of you to try and tell Anet what they should be doing with their servers.

PorceleinEve.2973:

And omg YES you are totally right, it is extremely irritating, that’s why we’re posting about it here.

No, it’s not extremely irritating, you’re just getting extremely irritated. There’s a difference. A reasonable, rational, intelligent person doesn’t get irritated when exposed to other languages. Other people do.

PorceleinEve.2973:

It is indeed extremely disrespectful of them to not learn english to talk to us, in our own servers. Extremely.

Again with the our servers thing. If those servers belong to you, then they belong to me just as much, and I happen to not mind people speaking other languages on my servers at all, so you can just go to a different server and leave my servers alone.

PorceleinEve.2973:

This thread is indeed the height of absurdity and arrogance.

Glad we agree on this bit.

PorceleinEve.2973:

Having germans/french/spanish ppl demanding we learn to speak germarn/french/spanish in the english speaking server is downright insulting.

Really? I might be wrong (hint: I’m right), but the only thing I’ve seen in this thread is ignorant english-speaking people demanding that others speak english. I’ve not seen a single instance of any non-english speaker demand that you learn their language. Maybe you’re confusing threads, games, or realities, hard to tell.

PorceleinEve.2973:

Imagine how insulting that is, having all those arrogant entitled germans, insisting that german is the -only- language they’ll be using when they taxi into our perfectly fine and full english servers for an event cause their own lil’ servers can’t do it.

I’m just really bemused by this server ownership that you seem to be deluded with. Since when did Anet sell you their servers and give you free reign to manage them? Oh, that’s right, they didn’t. You’re just dribbling out statements about how you own these servers and the foreign scum can just geeet out. It’s simply preposterous. If you end up with german-speaking folks on the same map as you, guess what? Anet put them there. Take it up with Anet if you don’t like it, and I think you’ll find that Anet will happily prefer a large group of polite germans over one obnoxious person

PorceleinEve.2973:

These folks should not play -any- mmos till they go learn a bit of english so as to not insult everyone with their over the top entitlement.

My goodness, please tell me you’re just trolling. This statement could be framed and hung on a wall designated for ‘Logical Delusions and Absurdity’. In the same breath you’re both insulting people as being entitled AND demanding that they go and learn english so you don’t have to exercise your brain just a tiny bit.

Conclusion
Less xenophobes on these forums would make them a better place.

How is it xenophobia to expect English on an American made game playing on a server hosted in America?

Cazamar.7148:

How is it xenophobia to expect English on an American made game playing on a server hosted in America?

Advertised as American only and only sold to american citizen. Runs only on american made hardware with american made energy …

Cazamar.7148:

How is it xenophobia to expect English on an American made game playing on a server hosted in America?

You do realize there are NA servers and EU servers, the latter being located in gasp Germany. Ohhhhh the irony…

Just food for thought for you, who thinks the language spoken on the servers should be tied to where the servers are located/the game is hosted

EDIT: +1 to Ranva.8024 for an early morning laugh

EDIT2:
To be on topic here. I’m against a server split by language. The map population would be terrible for some language groups/minorities. Another problem would be the implementation. If they split servers by client language, I would be selected for an English server while my mother tongue as an Austrian is German. That’s how they implemented the chat filter before, and it lead to many problems when ANet first enabled it by default. Most people couldn’t even see the chat lines of players from their own country, just because some of us prefer the original voice acting and language of the game over any other kind of synchronization…

Also there are people who enjoy an international community. I deliberately moved to an international server pre megaserver patch. To me it is enriching to meet people from all over Europe and pick up some vocabulary in the process…

So I wouldn’t want them to take that away from me just because some players don’t want to communicate in English or simply can’t. If they really made a server split though, it shouldn’t be automated but with players actually selecting what language group they want to play with/in (including an option “international” – similar to what the servers were before). Maybe that way the map population could be held up high enough, with the possibility for “minorities” to merge into international servers to not end up on empty maps…

Most Germans also speak English.

Learn English !

I think this topic need to be closed, I don’t know how it’s made in civilized western world witch speak English, but in Russia we call it xenophobia and starting of international strife. Lats one is punished by state laws. And Russia is happened to be big multi-national country if look on the map, I think it know some common sense…

Cazamar.7148:

Most Germans also speak English.

yeah.. eem.. no!