Guild Wars 2

Now that the cat is out of the bag for a long time already and we know the real origin of the Sylvari, seeing that the Sylvari receive now basically a new antagonistic faction that works as enemies, I think they make the Nightmare Court completely obsolete

With the Mordrem Guard coming soon, what is exactly stil lthe role in this game for the Nightmare Court?
What is exactly Mordremoths stance towards the Nightmare Court at all, or will there even be still a Nightmare Court after Heart of Thorns?

Because based on the lore, the Nightmare Court were practically already from begin on splitted off from the Dream and all the rest of the normal Sylvari.
They were from begin on the nemesis of the Sylvari, being antogonists for everyone, like every playable race has their antagonistic counterparts in this Game.

But now with the Mordrem Guard coming, I think this makes the Nightmare Court totally uninteresting and obsolete, because the Mordrem Guard are effectively everything, what the Nightmare Court is and never could be in this game.
The Mordrem Guards are to me effectively, how I would have wished from begin on of this game that the Nightmare Court should always be like.

Due to the Nightmare Court having absolutely no bonds anymore to the Mother Tree, the Dream, Ventari’s Tablet and its teaching and al lthe rest of the Sylvari…I think they would make easily the most easiest and first targets for Mordremoth to turn all Nightmare Court Sylvari into practicalyl the most powerful form of Elite-Modrem Guards, because they have no mental barriers, that Mordremoth had to break to crush their minds.
They are the kind of Sylvari, which have by themself already a huge amount of hatred in themself towards the Dream and the Mother Tree, that it is absolutely for Mordremoth no challenge at all to convert them all over into his Mordrem Guard Army.

Also Faolain being part of them as their leader, which always had a deep despise and inner hatred against the Mother Tree, because of thinking that she hides the truth from all of her childs should make for Mordremoth really a huge appeal to convert her over into his Army with Faolain being super easy to convert over, now where all the truth is practicalyl right in front of her eyes everywhere right into the face.

What do you think? Will we see in the future more and more progressively in the wold the Nightmare Court to disappear and beign replaced by Mordrem Guards?
To me that would make the absolute most sense that the Nightmare Court gets slowly more and more completely replaced by the Modrem Guards, they simply make up for being the way more superior and interesting antagonists, than the Nightmare Court will ever be.

Imo this includes for me also a complete redesign of the Twilight Arbor Dungeons, because its already a healf hearted redesigned dungeon, so why not redesign it with the Aether Path back in mind just now completely???
To me this would be the absolute best step into the right direction to give this game back more consistency and congruent game design, instead of having everywhere where you look at this game permanent cheese holes of unfinished designs or concepts, that have been butchered and not finished to make the whole thing look at least complete in a way, that it makes sense all together

What do you guys think?
Should Anet desperately keep on hangign onto the Nightmare Court (what would make by looking at the Mordrem Guards which are essentially Nightmare Court 2.0 really no sense)

Or do you agree with me, that it would be the best thign for this game and its whole Story and game Design to completely replace everything Nightmare Court related slowly over time via Living Story,/HoT into Mordrem Guards.

Or do you have based on this topic even a totally different opinion?
Then in that case I’d like to hear that naturally too, to receive food for thought

Seems obvious to me that Mordremoth’s “call” is not able to be heard outside of Maguuma yet, so the Nightmare Court and Soundless in Central Tyria will still exist outside his influence.

The events of the expansion and living story may change this for a while, but I doubt either the Nightmare Court or the Soundless will be going away, if for no other reason than they have to exist in the world for the Sylvari Personal Story (which takes place prior to the Living Story/expansion and thus remains the same regardless of what might happen during HoT) to continue to make sense.

Orpheal.8263:

Now that the cat is out of the bag for a long time already and we know the real origin of the Sylvari, seeing that the Sylvari receive now basically a new antagonistic faction that works as enemies, I think they make the Nightmare Court completely obsolete

With the Mordrem Guard coming soon, what is exactly stil lthe role in this game for the Nightmare Court?

It is quite possible that the role of the nightmare court in the sylvari origin is more intricate than we currently know. Furthermore, several of the other races have more than one advisarial group of their own race. The Charr fight against Flame Legion, renigades and branded charr. The humans have to deal with both bandits and evil ministers,
white mantle (though, granted, these three might actually be related) and risen humans. The asura do not only suffer from the inquest but they also suffer from the opperations of the Arcane Eye and the Arcane Council. So there is nothing wrong with having more than one evil group of a given race.

Orpheal.8263:

What is exactly Mordremoths stance towards the Nightmare Court at all, or will there even be still a Nightmare Court after Heart of Thorns?

We don’t know. However, my own speculation is that the nightmare court are as anti-Modremoth as other sylvari and have the same chance of being corrupted as other sylvari.

But now with the Mordrem Guard coming, I think this makes the Nightmare Court totally uninteresting and obsolete, because the Mordrem Guard are effectively everything, what the Nightmare Court is and never could be in this game.
The Mordrem Guards are to me effectively, how I would have wished from begin on of this game that the Nightmare Court should always be like.

Disagreed. The Modrem Guard do not have free will. The nightmare court choose to form an antagonistic group, the modrem are forced into what they are. This makes them waaaay less interesting. Potentially, anyway, because the nightmare court as potrayed in game are way more 1-dimensional than neccesary.

Orpheal.8263:

Due to the Nightmare Court having absolutely no bonds anymore to the Mother Tree, the Dream, Ventari’s Tablet and its teaching and al lthe rest of the Sylvari…I think they would make easily the most easiest and first targets for Mordremoth to turn all Nightmare Court Sylvari into practicalyl the most powerful form of Elite-Modrem Guards, because they have no mental barriers, that Mordremoth had to break to crush their minds.
They are the kind of Sylvari, which have by themself already a huge amount of hatred in themself towards the Dream and the Mother Tree, that it is absolutely for Mordremoth no challenge at all to convert them all over into his Mordrem Guard Army.

First of, the nightmare court have a very strong bond with the pale tree, the dream and the other sylvari. They don’t want to be cut of from the pale tree, they want to free her from Ventari’s influence. Likewise, they don’t want to be cut of from the dream, they want to turn it into nightmare. They also do not want to kill the other sylvari, but to bring them into nightmare.

Second of all, the factors that seem to be involved in the corruption of sylvari: 1) strong will, 2) connection to the dream and the pale tree, 3) a strong pale tree and 4) distance from Modremoth. As I said, unlike the soundless (and Aerin and Scarlet), the nightmare court are not cut of from the dream and the tree. There is also no proof that the nightmare court are weaker willed than other sylvari.

Orpheal.8263:

Also Faolain being part of them as their leader, which always had a deep despise and inner hatred against the Mother Tree, because of thinking that she hides the truth from all of her childs should make for Mordremoth really a huge appeal to convert her over into his Army with Faolain being super easy to convert over, now where all the truth is practicalyl right in front of her eyes everywhere right into the face.

What Faolain hated about the pale tree was the top-down decision making and the influence of Ventari. The former is even worse for modrem than it is for sylvari who listen to the pale tree, so why would that be tempting?

Orpheal.8263:

Imo this includes for me also a complete redesign of the Twilight Arbor Dungeons, because its already a healf hearted redesigned dungeon, so why not redesign it with the Aether Path back in mind just now completely???

Yea, that will never happen. First of all, Anet has said that they won’t revamp the dungeons any further. Second of all, that would be too much work for too little gain. Third of all, the dungeons (and zones) are mostly stuck in time so there is little reason to do a revamp for that reason.

From what I understood, the nightmare court is still connected to the dream, they are just against Ventari’s teachings. They hope to create a corrupted pale tree that matches their vision.It seems reasonable to assume that for Mordremoth, the nightmare court are just like every other sylvary: his minions. So I don’t think that the teachings of Ventari will make any difference to mordremoth.

Also the nightmare court still has meaning in this context not every battle has to be one force against another, three forces could give some interesting interactions (alliances, betrayels, conflict between mordrem and courtiers,… ).

Nightmare court make use of the dream, with the intent on altering so as to give sylvari free will. They are a strong willed, active and independent group who are likely to be the last to fall to mordremoth’s influence. If anything, I`d probably trust them over the pale tree herself.

I can’t wait to hear what Faolain has to say about Lord Mordy.

What ever her decision she is obviously going to want to make sure Caithe makes that decision too. If the Nightmare Court end up being anti-Mordremoth that would lead to some interesting scenes where Faolain saves Caithe from the Mordrem (or even more dramatic Caithe saves Faolain).

Saying the Nightmare Court and the Modrem Guard fill the same role is like saying the bandits and the Risen fill the same role.

The Nightmare Court are not just “evil sylvari”. They are a faction of sylvari that split away from the main group because they hold a different ideology that focuses on personal freedom, specifically the freedom to explore the darker aspects of life free of persecution based on seemingly arbitrary laws set down by a dead centaur two hundred years ago.

The Modrem Guard are not just another political faction. They are sylvari who have had their minds warped and enslaved by Modremoth. They are no more members of the sylvari people than the Risen are humans.

Given the Nightmare Court’s entire philosophy revolves around freedom I find it very, very unlikely they’d ally with Modremoth. And they aren’t cut off from the Dream. They need the Dream to fulfill their goal of turning it into the Nightmare. So even the Nightmare Court are still under the Pale Tree’s protection.

The Nightmare Court are one of the most interesting factions in this game. Easily the most interesting of the evil factions we have to fight. I’d hate to see them replaced entirely in the story by mindless servants.

We saw Faolain fighting besides Mordrem in the Point of no Return cinematic indicating she is already supporting Mordremoth.

Straylight.7529:

We saw Faolain fighting besides Mordrem in the Point of no Return cinematic indicating she is already supporting Mordremoth.

She was fighting PACT soldiers shortly after a scene where people were attacking non-corrupted Sylvari. Her fighting PACT soldiers doesn’t automatically mean she and Modremoth are united.

It’d be poor writing if they had the Nightmare Court do a 180 about their stance on the Elder Dragons.

Ehecatl.9172:

Straylight.7529:

We saw Faolain fighting besides Mordrem in the Point of no Return cinematic indicating she is already supporting Mordremoth.

She was fighting PACT soldiers shortly after a scene where people were attacking non-corrupted Sylvari. Her fighting PACT soldiers doesn’t automatically mean she and Modremoth are united.

It’d be poor writing if they had the Nightmare Court do a 180 about their stance on the Elder Dragons.

She was fighting pact soldiers next to Mordrem including a corrupted troll. It was in the same scene.

I didn’t say she was united with Mordremoth. That’s why I used the word “supporting”. Maybe Mordremoth isn’t even aware of her and she just uses the chaos to her advantage.

Also we see Faolain lifting up the guy she just impaled which turns into the eye of Mordremoth accompanied with the dragon’s roar. As if she’s giving him as an “offer” to Mordremoth.

It’s very likely Faloin and the Nightmare Court are going to support Mordremoth in one way or another. Whether it’s solely to help the dragon or for their own goals remains to be seen.

Straylight.7529:

She was fighting pact soldiers next to Mordrem including a corrupted troll. It was in the same scene.

I didn’t say she was united with Mordremoth. That’s why I used the word “supporting”. Maybe Mordremoth isn’t even aware of her and she just uses the chaos to her advantage.

Also we see Faolain lifting up the guy she just impaled which turns into the eye of Mordremoth accompanied with the dragon’s roar. As if she’s giving him as an “offer” to Mordremoth.

It’s very likely Faloin and the Nightmare Court are going to support Mordremoth in one way or another. Whether it’s solely to help the dragon or for their own goals remains to be seen.

Maybe that wasn’t a pact soldier she was killing, maybe that was actually a Mordrem’s guard?

NekotTheBrave.2013:

Maybe that wasn’t a pact soldier she was killing, maybe that was actually a Mordrem’s guard?

I just watched the cinematic agian. It was definitely a pact soldier. He was too “clean” to be a Mordrem Guard.

as far as I take Nightmare Court I think big most of them will run to mordremoth to serve him willingly… (and then form his most elite unit, because they fight for him from their very own will and by thus maintaining their faction name :P)

by the way – wasn’t it told in Mordrem Guard blog that some of them actually joined Mordremoth kinda willingly?