Guild Wars 2

Was Mordremoth an accidental hero? Are we, in the end, the villains of Heart of Thorns?

Well, that might depend on who you ask.

If you recall the end of Living Story Season 2, the Pact airships had launched and were beginning to attack the jungle. Trahearne himself gave the order to open fire. But they were firing at the jungle itself. THAT was their target, just the jungle. They didn’t have a specific point to attack, it was just “destroy it all”. And, had they finished carpet bombing the jungle, Mordremoth would have been badly hurt, if not killed.

They didn’t finish, though. Mordremoth stopped them with a nasty counter attack. The fleet in ruins and wreckage, we went into the target zone on foot….

… and met the people living there. The very people the Pact would have bombed out of existence had Mordremoth not stopped them. Every Itzel and Nuhoch would have likely died, if not from direct fire then from the aftereffects of the attack. Perhaps even more horrifying, the Exalted would also have been in the line of fire, and Glint’s careful pre-planning would have gone down in flames. Caithe and the egg would have destroyed as well, possibly dooming all of Tyria as the battle against the Elder Dragons continues.

It’s horrifying to think, but Mordremoth may have actually reduced the body count of the war by destroying the Pact fleet. And if our new allies realize what nearly happened to them, it’s the Commander of the Pact that’s now in line to have to answer for it. Will we just pass the blame onto Trahearne now that he can’t defend himself, or will we accept the blame and any possible consequences?

The Itzel say that “Ameyalli provides”. Maybe in this case, Mordremoth had to step in and give Ameyalli a helping hand so her worshipers wouldn’t go up in flames.

Mordremoth’s hardly a hero accidental or otherwise. The cinematic shows seemingly random bombing but that’s not necessarily true – after all, there isn’t a single line in Verdant Brink about the Itzel suffering from the Pact’s attacks (though maybe the Coztic did). Furthermore, as we learn in HoT, Mordremoth wouldn’t be seriously affected even if they burned the whole jungle to the ground, so he wasn’t even saving himself – he was just butchering his enemies’ greatest strength to give him the chance to kill/capture everyone and everything himself.

Also, the Exalted have their own protections, so I doubt that they would have been hit – and Caithe was behind the fleet, not ahead of them, so she would have been wading through the destruction left by the Pact’s attacks, not in the middle of it.

So in the end, even if the Pact would have struck the Itzel and Nuhoch, Mordremoth’s actions was less saving anyone, and more an act of “I will be the one to make them suffer, not you!”

I may wonder, do we know if the itzel & nuhloch where attacked by mordremoth before the pact attacked?
Because if he attacked only afterwards, it’s just an protection against those aggressiv ‘flesch things’

And we shouldn’t forget, mordremoth knows what the sylvari know – therefore he knows what the charr & humans did to their forrest (not sure about the norn) – they destroyed them!

And even if cutting each single tree in the jungle won’t kill mordremoth, it surely would hurt him and cause damage, a lot of damage!

And he also knows that the charr and humans corruptet his own grandchildren, the sylvari! Everything has a right to grow? Yeah? I better don’t start counting when a sylvari kills plants in the story! Even when we exclude all plants controled by mordremoth!

Tiefsee.3647:

I may wonder, do we know if the itzel & nuhloch where attacked by mordremoth before the pact attacked?
Because if he attacked only afterwards, it’s just an protection against those aggressiv ‘flesch things’

Itzel/Nuhoch and Mordremoth were enemies previously: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hylek-in-the-heart-of-thorns/

see the not of this jungle section

Tiefsee.3647:

I may wonder, do we know if the itzel & nuhloch where attacked by mordremoth before the pact attacked?
Because if he attacked only afterwards, it’s just an protection against those aggressiv ‘flesch things’

They’ve been attacked for weeks, iirc, before we meet them. HoT begins ~1 day after the Pact Fleet’s destruction.

Tiefsee.3647:

And we shouldn’t forget, mordremoth knows what the sylvari know – therefore he knows what the charr & humans did to their forrest (not sure about the norn) – they destroyed them!

Charr and humans might be logging their forests, but they replant trees too.

Tiefsee.3647:

And even if cutting each single tree in the jungle won’t kill mordremoth, it surely would hurt him and cause damage, a lot of damage!

No damage at all, according to those directly attached to Mordremoth’s mind.

Tiefsee.3647:

And he also knows that the charr and humans corruptet his own grandchildren, the sylvari! Everything has a right to grow? Yeah? I better don’t start counting when a sylvari kills plants in the story! Even when we exclude all plants controled by mordremoth!

That’s centaur, not charr, and mere teachings don’t free something of dragon corruption. The Pale Tree was freed of Mordremoth’s will long ago, given that Malyck was free too – and Malyck had no interactions with Ventari’s teachings.

No i don’t mean that centaur, that teached them that everything has a right to grow – i mean the multiple charr/humans that teach them by action, not words, that not everything has a right to grow

While he is certainly no hero, accidental or otherwise, I do wonder what the plan there actually was. You only find out where Mordy is located latter in the story so….yeah, were they were just going carpet bomb everything? Even if they didn’t know he was different from Zhaitan and that cannons wouldn’t work to kill him permanently, trahearne mobilized the fleet to fly over enemy with only a vague target.

Demented Sheep.1642:

While he is certainly no hero, accidental or otherwise, I do wonder what the plan there actually was. You only find out where Mordy is located latter in the story so….yeah, were they were just going carpet bomb everything? Even if they didn’t know he was different from Zhaitan and that cannons wouldn’t work to kill him permanently, trahearne mobilized the fleet to fly over enemy with only a vague target.

Mordy was just an excuse. Trehearne was really there for the oil.

Tiefsee.3647:

No i don’t mean that centaur, that teached them that everything has a right to grow – i mean the multiple charr/humans that teach them by action, not words, that not everything has a right to grow

Then your joke argument makes no sense despite being a joke argument. No charr are teaching the sylvari anything, no more than they teach themselves.

Demented Sheep.1642:

While he is certainly no hero, accidental or otherwise, I do wonder what the plan there actually was. You only find out where Mordy is located latter in the story so….yeah, were they were just going carpet bomb everything? Even if they didn’t know he was different from Zhaitan and that cannons wouldn’t work to kill him permanently, trahearne mobilized the fleet to fly over enemy with only a vague target.

Their goal wasn’t Mordremoth. It was Mordremoth’s minion production:

Trahearne: Primordus has been awake for over two hundred years. Jormag for nearly as long. They both did great damage at first, sending out their minions. This is the stage where Mordremoth is now.
PC: The minions. I get it. You want to slow down its production of minions.
Trahearne: Yes. Slow down, or if we get lucky, stop it entirely. Now, before its corruption spreads too far and wide.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reunion_with_the_Pact#Dialogue

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Their goal wasn’t Mordremoth. It was Mordremoth’s minion production:

Trahearne: Primordus has been awake for over two hundred years. Jormag for nearly as long. They both did great damage at first, sending out their minions. This is the stage where Mordremoth is now.
PC: The minions. I get it. You want to slow down its production of minions.
Trahearne: Yes. Slow down, or if we get lucky, stop it entirely. Now, before its corruption spreads too far and wide.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reunion_with_the_Pact#Dialogue

They still didn’t have a solid target, just “the jungle”.