Guild Wars 2

Fenom.9457:

Exactly, and I’m glad to hear the Mordy WILL be killed in the xpac, as it’s MUCH more logical.

You are wrong. Mordremoth is NOT in the expansion (as far as we know). This has been said in an interview. Whether we’ll fight him in a new season of the Living Story, or yet another expansion, remains to be seen.

You may have noticed the silence surrounding Mordremoth.

Ask yourself:

Why is Heart of Thorns not broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the elder dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. I think we all know the answer.

Zera Allimatti.2541:

Why hasn’t Kralkatorrik just flown all over Tyria (since merely by flying it corrupts everything below it.). Why hasn’t Primordus erupted out of the ground and scorched the world below? Why did Jormag not keep going south to finish off the Norn? They literally woke up just say hello and have done nothing.

This is something lot of people miss. The Elder Dragons are not the big “bad guys” out to destroy Tyria, they have a very specific task to do, drain magic from the world. They can do that without moving around and destroying everything in the world, they awoke, found the nearby most powerful layline, established their base there and started “drinking”.

Mordremoth attacked the Pale Tree because she is his lieutenant, much like how Kralk attacked Glint.

The only Elder Dragon action that doesn’t make much sense to me is the attack on Lion’s Arch by Zhaitan (Claw Island story)

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

No Mordy fight in an xpac about Mordy is a deal breaker for me.

You do know that this is speculation right?

Fenom.9457:

Fenom.9457:

Exactly, and I’m glad to hear the Mordy WILL be killed in the xpac, as it’s MUCH more logical.

You are wrong. Mordremoth is NOT in the expansion (as far as we know). This has been said in an interview. Whether we’ll fight him in a new season of the Living Story, or yet another expansion, remains to be seen.

You may have noticed the silence surrounding Mordremoth.

Ask yourself:

Why is Heart of Thorns not broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the elder dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. I think we all know the answer.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Diovid.9506:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

And yet this also works the other way around.

Anet is being silent about Mordremoth, and thus many consumers automatically assume without evidence that surely he must be included in the expansion.

But there is no reason to think this is the case. And like I said, there was an interview where one of the devs mentioned that Mordy would not be included. That’s more evidence supporting “no” rather than “yes”, regarding his inclusion. Now I don’t know if this is final (they could very well change their minds), and I can’t remember where I saw this interview…. but still. It would sure make the decision to buy the expansion easier if we DID know.

I suspect the silence is deliberate.

Diovid.9506”

You do know that this is speculation right?

I’m with Mad Queen Malafide.7512 on this one – the mere fact it’s being avoided instead of marketed is enough proof for me. Plus, as mentioned on the previous page, I stand to gain more by waiting for the inevitable discounted version in a couple of months after release~

If ANET thinks that precursor masteries is enough to make me pay for an expansion, they’re sorely mistaken.

HoT exp will be for destiny edge 1 and 2 and everything before Mordemoth: races like mursaat, mastery system and precursor after complete that. Then in LW3 we will get new map and maybe instance and in that way every player with and w/o will be able to face second elder. Mordemoth to PS or dungeon or as world boss or open raid? I would enjoy it if they decide to deliver it like that.

Guild Wars 2: Absence makes the heart of thorns go yonder

Well, it is kind of sad, but I guess at least it gives them more time to create a good boss fight and non-HoT players (that sounds funny) will maybe get the chance to kill the Mordremoth through Living Story. I don’t mind this content-gate because I played the base game for 3 years, and I actually really felt like buying some content from them to support them. Buying gems is not the same for me.

I believe it was in a angry joe interview, but content in HoT will/might be “achievement” locked so people can’t just blow through the content. Such things like learning the local language of the new hylack and unlocking a new way to beat an area or mini boss. Stuff kinda like that. It’s seems it’s much more about exploration then heart quest/stroy grinding. I would assume story progression would be kinda content locked in the same way. But that’s pure speculation on my part.

We are right after weekend. If no red posts shows up here with at least mentioning that there will be mordremoth fight (or whatever, as we know they already created a plot twist not to fight dragons as plan B ) we can safely assume there will be no elder dragon in this expansion.

And this would be “wow” for 50$ expansion. Lol.

rapthorne.7345:

Any living story after HoT release IS part of HoT, and I#d rather they didn’t put mordremoth in a personal story instance and make him die with 1 spam, please.

I want the Mordremoth fight to be awesome, epic and large-scale combat done via long term storytelling.

I could use meme arrows here…

I’d wonder if ANet had some people on staff who worked during Burning Crusade. WoW peeps learned very early that you don’t put your big-bad right out front in an expansion. It’ll be dead in a week, and the hardcore kiddos will fuss like nobody’s business. That looks bad for a game.

So, they’ll likely space it out, Living Story style, and limit the chapters to expansion-only.

Many.8419:

We are right after weekend. If no red posts shows up here with at least mentioning that there will be mordremoth fight (or whatever, as we know they already created a plot twist not to fight dragons as plan B ) we can safely assume there will be no elder dragon in this expansion.

And this would be “wow” for 50$ expansion. Lol.

Why would you ever be able to safely assume something about the story? They are obviously of the philosophy of not revealing the story in advance, so there is no evidence that there will or won’t be a dragon fight. That would be like assuming that Harry Potter was definitely not going to fight Voldemort at the end of the 7th book because JK Rowling didn’t explicitly say that he would after she wrote the 6th book.

Nothing new at all. In WoW they release an expansion and you can’t fight the main antagonist for about 1.5 years. Only with the last updates you can fight it.

MiniEquine.6014:

That would be like assuming that Harry Potter was definitely not going to fight Voldemort at the end of the 7th book because JK Rowling didn’t explicitly say that he would after she wrote the 6th book.

That is a bad comparison, because you are using the end of a long series of books, and are comparing it with the first small expansion of a game. Yes, this is a small scale expansion.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

MiniEquine.6014:

That would be like assuming that Harry Potter was definitely not going to fight Voldemort at the end of the 7th book because JK Rowling didn’t explicitly say that he would after she wrote the 6th book.

That is a bad comparison, because you are using the end of a long series of books, and are comparing it with the first small expansion of a game. Yes, this is a small scale expansion.

It doesn’t matter the scale, the fact of the matter is that somebody doesn’t reveal the end of their story in advance. The is no evidence that we are not fighting Mordremoth, especially since the current reasoning behind it is that the “author” hasn’t said we would.

Don’t like the 6th to 7th book? How about the 1st to the 2nd? It wasn’t a very long book series in the beginning. The guy I responded to used faulty logic so I called him out on it; that’s all.

I’m cool with no Mordremoth in the Expansion at Launch. It would be more interesting to draw out the story-line and give more interesting bosses between us and the dragon. I mean, for the amount the Personal Story hyped Zhaitan, it sure was easy to get to him (not to mention the Press 2 to win fight).

Take some more time with the build up, and give some earlier direction to the Living World. Win-win.

Evans.6347:

Guild Wars 2: Absence makes the heart of thorns go yonder

I love you so much.

I understand that storytelling wise it probably does make sense to not include Mordremoth, at least in terms of how modern gaming companies release their content.

But this does highlight how little content fans of games come to actually expect to pay for. Its a little saddening to see in my opinion, but everyone is entitled to feel the way they do.

MiniEquine.6014:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

MiniEquine.6014:

That would be like assuming that Harry Potter was definitely not going to fight Voldemort at the end of the 7th book because JK Rowling didn’t explicitly say that he would after she wrote the 6th book.

That is a bad comparison, because you are using the end of a long series of books, and are comparing it with the first small expansion of a game. Yes, this is a small scale expansion.

It doesn’t matter the scale, the fact of the matter is that somebody doesn’t reveal the end of their story in advance. The is no evidence that we are not fighting Mordremoth, especially since the current reasoning behind it is that the “author” hasn’t said we would.

Don’t like the 6th to 7th book? How about the 1st to the 2nd? It wasn’t a very long book series in the beginning. The guy I responded to used faulty logic so I called him out on it; that’s all.

/yawn

My logic is perfectly fine, you just don’t understand what you read. So please don’t talk about anything personally oriented and stay on topic.

Coming here and confirming that there’ll be mordremoth’s presence in HoT “box” is not a spoiler. Fighting him is one of the options. As I said in previous post it doesn’t have to be a fight. You can announce such things without making a spoiler.

That being said, for a 50$ expansion I expect it to have a big finale – whatever it’ll be. If they’re going to finish this expansion with lazy cliffhanger like they did with LS2, I am already prepared for refund.

maddoctor.2738:

Zera Allimatti.2541:

Why hasn’t Kralkatorrik just flown all over Tyria (since merely by flying it corrupts everything below it.). Why hasn’t Primordus erupted out of the ground and scorched the world below? Why did Jormag not keep going south to finish off the Norn? They literally woke up just say hello and have done nothing.

This is something lot of people miss. The Elder Dragons are not the big “bad guys” out to destroy Tyria, they have a very specific task to do, drain magic from the world. They can do that without moving around and destroying everything in the world, they awoke, found the nearby most powerful layline, established their base there and started “drinking”.

Mordremoth attacked the Pale Tree because she is his lieutenant, much like how Kralk attacked Glint.

The only Elder Dragon action that doesn’t make much sense to me is the attack on Lion’s Arch by Zhaitan (Claw Island story)

Anet is inconsistent with their plotlines. Glint was created to subvert and control peoples minds at the will of her master.
Mordremoths actions are clearly malevolent as well as zhaitan.

Pale tree knows

Why are people assuming that we will kill Mordremoth at all?

Why is Heart of Thorns not broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the elder dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. I think we all know the answer.

Why wasn’t original Guild Wars 2 broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the Elder Dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. But clearly we DID fight the Elder Dragon in the original release of GW2.

lordkrall.7241:

Why are people assuming that we will kill Mordremoth at all?

Why is Heart of Thorns not broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the elder dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. I think we all know the answer.

Why wasn’t original Guild Wars 2 broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the Elder Dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. But clearly we DID fight the Elder Dragon in the original release of GW2.

I assume people think players will get to fight the elder dragons because nearly all of the setup storywise and lorewise point to the player needing to stop a possible “end of the world” scenario brought on by the dragons. That and he is the being responsible for the death of many heroes of the world and has brought minions that are trying to kill your character.

Not really sure why you wouldn’t be able to understand why players would assume that dragons, especially Mordremoth, wouldn’t be killed at the conclusion.

Because there is plenty of things in-game that actually points towards killing the Elder Dragons actually being a bad thing for the world?

lordkrall.7241:

Because there is plenty of things in-game that actually points towards killing the Elder Dragons actually being a bad thing for the world?

So that would overpower all the obvious events and story points we’ve had until then? The typical player is going to expect to fight and kill the elder dragons just based on Zhaitan, the living story so far and even the 2 in GW2 being a dragon.

lordkrall.7241:

Why wasn’t original Guild Wars 2 broadly being advertized as containing a battle with the Elder Dragon? Because that would be a good selling point. But clearly we DID fight the Elder Dragon in the original release of GW2.

Actually, GW2 advertised ALL the elder dragons, and it was a bit of a disappointment when it only contained one elder dragon. Also, it was a full game. This is a small expansion.

lordkrall.7241:

Because there is plenty of things in-game that actually points towards killing the Elder Dragons actually being a bad thing for the world?

Yes but the majority of the People in Tyria thinks that killing Elder Dragons is a good thing for the world. We still need to see the consequences of killing Elder Dragons because right now, nothing really happened after Zhaitans Death. ( Could be because his Champions are now trying to fill his role ). I can imagine that the Story shifts from just killing them to replace them with less malevolent Entities to balance Magic.

I wouldn’t mind if Mordy isn’t killable in the Release Version of HoT, of course this can suck because HoT is also about killing him, but him hanging around at Release? I give him 2 Days, wait, 4 Days because the first two Days are going to be unplayable and with the Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well. ( I can hear the No Content cries )
He should be an Encounter in HoT but not to soon after Release, perhaps we could do some work in the Game to enable him, like doing stuff related to him ( which would take time but would be a rather good solution if implemented well )

Walhalla.5473”

Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well.

Instead we’ll get a cliffhanger after 4 days in the first Week of an MMO Expansion. And people are still going to complain there’s no content. In fact, that will be worse as it will highlight just how little substance there is to HoT.

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Well, we are paying $60 if you count the cost of an extra character slot, which you will most likely need to play the revenant.

But yes, you have a good point. I don’t understand it either. Why are players paying the price of a full game for much less content?

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

Walhalla.5473”

Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well.

Instead we’ll get a cliffhanger after 4 days in the first Week of an MMO Expansion. And people are still going to complain there’s no content. In fact, that will be worse as it will highlight just how little substance there is to HoT.

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Now that I think about it, yeah. YEAH! Going from WoW classic’s 30+ zones to only 6 in Burning Crusade was such a ripoff! The hurt still hasn’t healed!

Or, y’know, maybe that’s just how expansions work. I’m not sure about the original Guild Wars franchise and how much content those added, but looking at normal MMO progression, adding about 6-8 zones is appropriate. Including a cost of 40-60$. Given this trend has been around for well over a decade, I find it surprising people are confused.

I just want to point out, that even though we say that Zhaitan is killed, it does not mean it is really true. I still believe that we only defeated him. He lost so much power in the fight that he fell down uncocious for another couple of thousands years.

phys.7689:

maddoctor.2738:

Zera Allimatti.2541:

Why hasn’t Kralkatorrik just flown all over Tyria (since merely by flying it corrupts everything below it.). Why hasn’t Primordus erupted out of the ground and scorched the world below? Why did Jormag not keep going south to finish off the Norn? They literally woke up just say hello and have done nothing.

This is something lot of people miss. The Elder Dragons are not the big “bad guys” out to destroy Tyria, they have a very specific task to do, drain magic from the world. They can do that without moving around and destroying everything in the world, they awoke, found the nearby most powerful layline, established their base there and started “drinking”.

Mordremoth attacked the Pale Tree because she is his lieutenant, much like how Kralk attacked Glint.

The only Elder Dragon action that doesn’t make much sense to me is the attack on Lion’s Arch by Zhaitan (Claw Island story)

Anet is inconsistent with their plotlines. Glint was created to subvert and control peoples minds at the will of her master.
Mordremoths actions are clearly malevolent as well as zhaitan.

Pale tree knows

I don’t see any inconsistens. Zhaitan rule death so how he can increase his domain if not by killing living creatures? Maybe with time he would reach Palawa Yoko’ level of thinking? : make living creatures your slaves then they will breed and you will rise.
Edit: There is my suspicion that take over LA for Zhaitan would be major point to prevent ED of jungle from rising – ley line here. Maybe Zhaitan could feel that ley-line is right in front of mouth of his living-creatures-ruler-nemesis-brother.

Why Jormag would chase norns? He expands into mists

Mordemoth rule living creatures and things in nature we have natural selection, fight for the domination etc.. His actions suits that.

PS.
There are also two categories of destroying world: destroy [drain out of magic/havoc everything] that ED see as natural way which they doin things, manifesting themselfs.
Second category is destroying world by destroying those who rule over magic cores of that world that mean end of world.

The reason I am fearful of no Mordremoth is plain & simple. It has already been three years since Zhaitan. It has taken too long for HoT, if we do not burn him down then what? We wait another two years at the least to introduce Cantha and/or the Tengu?

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

Walhalla.5473”

Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well.

Instead we’ll get a cliffhanger after 4 days in the first Week of an MMO Expansion. And people are still going to complain there’s no content. In fact, that will be worse as it will highlight just how little substance there is to HoT.

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

It is a different experience with different expectations. These differences do not mean the prices should be different if they ever are. Some people are content paying 50 dollars because they have gotten more than their moneys worth from the base game, are excited about the prospects of the game going forward, and want to fully support the team responsible for this game.

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

Walhalla.5473”

Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well.

Instead we’ll get a cliffhanger after 4 days in the first Week of an MMO Expansion. And people are still going to complain there’s no content. In fact, that will be worse as it will highlight just how little substance there is to HoT.

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Read the Entire Post. I have said how it should work if Mordy isn’t killable right after Release, with the Community doing Content and thus working to it.
Whats more important than just having it at Release is how good the Encounter will be. Is it going to be epic or just the Plant Version of Zhaitan? I want this to be epic, and thus I, for myself, can wait a bit if this means that we get a truly epic encounter, you can bet that I will complain if this is going to be the same kitten as Zhaitan.

It also depends on how much Content HoT will include. Since Anet remains silent ( no surprise, Anet is silent about everything -.- ) the Argument " HoT will only include one Map" is as Valid as the Argument " HoT will include 7 or 20 Maps ". Anet needs to break its silence and show us other Maps, even bits of them in Beta Weekends would work.

I HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION! A fight with Mordy at the end that leaves him mortally wounded, but alive. Then a few episodes into LW S3 we finally kill him, and the rest of the season is cleanup until another ED makes a move. Then LW S4 then next expansion!!

Fenom.9457:

I HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION! A fight with Mordy at the end that leaves him mortally wounded, but alive. Then a few episodes into LW S3 we finally kill him, and the rest of the season is cleanup until another ED makes a move. Then LW S4 then next expansion!!

I’d rather kill corrupted Trahearne (not sure how to spell his name, lol) than wound a dragon. That being said, if he’s mortally wounded, he gonna die by definition—no second fight needed :-)

MattyP.6954:

Fenom.9457:

I HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION! A fight with Mordy at the end that leaves him mortally wounded, but alive. Then a few episodes into LW S3 we finally kill him, and the rest of the season is cleanup until another ED makes a move. Then LW S4 then next expansion!!

I’d rather kill corrupted Trahearne (not sure how to spell his name, lol) than wound a dragon. That being said, if he’s mortally wounded, he gonna die by definition—no second fight needed :-)

1, you’re right mortally was not the right word.

2, I agree a corrupted Trahearne fight would be good, but more of a semi-final battle or if it’s a dungeon, the boss before Mordy. Just my opinion though.

Rauderi.8706:

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

Walhalla.5473”

Last Boss being killed in the first Week of an MMO Expansion, this isn’t going to end well.

Instead we’ll get a cliffhanger after 4 days in the first Week of an MMO Expansion. And people are still going to complain there’s no content. In fact, that will be worse as it will highlight just how little substance there is to HoT.

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Now that I think about it, yeah. YEAH! Going from WoW classic’s 30+ zones to only 6 in Burning Crusade was such a ripoff! The hurt still hasn’t healed!

Or, y’know, maybe that’s just how expansions work. I’m not sure about the original Guild Wars franchise and how much content those added, but looking at normal MMO progression, adding about 6-8 zones is appropriate. Including a cost of 40-60$. Given this trend has been around for well over a decade, I find it surprising people are confused.

Nightfall and Factions, two addons (campaigns/expansions of original content, whatever you want to call them) included nearly as much content as the original core game, including two new classes and new gameplay features. So Anet has bucked that trend in the past.

And just because the trend has been around for a decade, it doesn’t make it good. DLC’s have been around for nearly a decade, and thats just because gamers are becoming increasingly willing to just take whatever a company gives them and doesn’t try and demand more for their money.

Its actually really sad how little people are expecting for their money.

I figure we’ll fight him in some fashion during a future LS.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

For pity’s sake people! You paid $60 for ~30 explorable areas (counting cities) in the base game. And now ANET is asking you to pay $50 for a THIRD of that MAYBE. And you’re perfectly fine with it. I just don’t understand.

Well, we are paying $60 if you count the cost of an extra character slot, which you will most likely need to play the revenant.

But yes, you have a good point. I don’t understand it either. Why are players paying the price of a full game for much less content?

Because it’s still more content than many full priced games and because we enjoy the game enough to pay out what to us is an acceptable amount of money.

It’s an individuals responsibility to decide if the value is worth it for them. For me it is, for you it isn’t. Neither of us is wrong in our opinions.