Guild Wars 2

I just read in another thread we won’t get to fight Mordremoth in this expansion?!? How does that make ANY sense?? He’s clearly IN the Jungle for starters. And I can’t even begin to express how lame it would be NOT to fight him!! And when would we then?!? If it’s in LW, then people will just wait for that won’t they? What WOULD be the final boss fight? If he isn’t in the Jungle and/or we don’t kill him, what’s the point of this expansion? I mean, if there’s not enough time in the story to work it up all the way, then release some more LW!!! Can Anet confirm any of this?

Sorry to freak out, but if it’s true that’s incredibly lame.

One school of thought is that people will rush to him too quick and spoil the fight. Another is that they want to give people time to develop the requisite masteries to defeat him. Then release the fight or a build up + fight as a sep DLC. I’ve also seen people say that Zhaitan was taken down too quickly and they’d prefer a longer build up to an Elder Dragon this time

Perhaps we don’t even fight him although that wouldn’t be a wise move imo.

Personally, I’m not sure if I’d prefer him in the expac or not, although the impact might be greater in a single post-launch content drop.

Randulf.7614:

One school of thought is that people will rush to him too quick and spoil the fight. Another is that they want to give people time to develop the requisite masteries to defeat him. Then release the fight or a build up + fight as a sep DLC. I’ve also seen people say that Zhaitan was taken down too quickly and they’d prefer a longer build up to an Elder Dragon this time

Perhaps we don’t even fight him although that wouldn’t be a wise move imo.

Personally, I’m not sure if I’d prefer him in the expac or not, although the impact might be greater in a single post-launch content drop.

I agree Zhaitan was too fast, but Mordremoth has ALREADY been more due to LW. Also Zhaitan seemed too fast because the base game story was release all at once (to be expected however). I think depending on the amount of story in the xpac (which we’re lead to believe is a lot, possibly even more than LW S2), the buildup will be just fine. This is why I sincerely hope we fight him in the xpac.

HoT is supposed to introduce Living Story Season 3, so I’d assume we won’t be taking down Morderemoth with any HoT personal story, but as the final episode of the HoT living story

Right – I wouldn’t expect either that we’re right at Mordy’s throat from the get-go. But I expect there will be further LW episodes released periodically – just like there were in base game – and I’d expect they will eventually lead into confrontation. That just wouldn’t be included right in the release. Could take a few months, or a couple of years.

That’s actually one problem with the amount of content in HoT. We’re comparing it to base game, and saying ‘why so little’. But the base game kept expanding during it’s three years or so. It’s hard to say how much (or how little) extra will be added after HoT release, before the next expansion, and that makes comparison difficult.

rapthorne.7345:

HoT is supposed to introduce Living Story Season 3, so I’d assume we won’t be taking down Morderemoth with any HoT personal story, but as the final episode of the HoT living story

But if it’s part of the expansion, it’s not LW, it’s the expansion.. LW eps are the releases between xpacs. Maybe I don’t understand exactly what you mean?…

Fenom.9457:

rapthorne.7345:

HoT is supposed to introduce Living Story Season 3, so I’d assume we won’t be taking down Morderemoth with any HoT personal story, but as the final episode of the HoT living story

But if it’s part of the expansion, it’s not LW, it’s the expansion.. LW eps are the releases between xpacs. Maybe I don’t understand exactly what you mean?…

The LW continues into HoT areas. To my undrestanding without HoT you will not have access to new LW episodes either. Thus further LW can be seen as part of HoT expansion.

Well, all pricing-related spin aside, HoT is the new GW2 game. If you don’t have it, you’ll be locked out of much/most(?) of the new content.. although you can still keep playing the old game, and get the updates that affect the game globally (e.g. skill rebalances, gem-store products). I’d assume most of the new equipment skins, events (except maybe old seasonal events like wintersday, mad king etc), living world, possible new areas etc. will be locked behind HoT. Hard to say about possible new fractals – they might be part of the base game, although I wouldn’t be sure. It’s entirely possible they would be ‘HoT fractals’, although that would be detrimental to the game in some ways. But it’s obvious (and fair) that most of the development resources will be directed to people who paid for the continuity.

Kitsune.1902:

Fenom.9457:

rapthorne.7345:

HoT is supposed to introduce Living Story Season 3, so I’d assume we won’t be taking down Morderemoth with any HoT personal story, but as the final episode of the HoT living story

But if it’s part of the expansion, it’s not LW, it’s the expansion.. LW eps are the releases between xpacs. Maybe I don’t understand exactly what you mean?…

The LW continues into HoT areas. To my undrestanding without HoT you will not have access to new LW episodes either. Thus further LW can be seen as part of HoT expansion.

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Kitsune.1902:

Fenom.9457:

rapthorne.7345:

HoT is supposed to introduce Living Story Season 3, so I’d assume we won’t be taking down Morderemoth with any HoT personal story, but as the final episode of the HoT living story

But if it’s part of the expansion, it’s not LW, it’s the expansion.. LW eps are the releases between xpacs. Maybe I don’t understand exactly what you mean?…

The LW continues into HoT areas. To my undrestanding without HoT you will not have access to new LW episodes either. Thus further LW can be seen as part of HoT expansion.

oh, I see! Players will continue to get them for free on release as they used to, but since it’s in xpac areas you still need the xpac. Thus, by that logic I’m not being tricked in buying the xpac! When will the LW begin? 2 weeks after HoT release, restarting bi-weekly releases?…

They have not confirmed what will happen post-HoT with additional content drops. Either form or timings

Randulf.7614:

They have not confirmed what will happen post-HoT with additional content drops. Either form or timings

They did confirm more LW, and that obviously would bridge the gap between elder dragon xpacs. Though actually having an elder dragon fight it unexpected.

2 weeks after the HoT release, is very precipitated for the living world. I would bet for 2 months instead.

Did they def confirm LW season 3? I know the last comment was they weren’t sure how they’d approach seasons again, but that was some time ago and I haven’t kept up beyond that announcement.

Speculation would leave me to expect any LW content to be post Xmas or early spring. They’d want a grace period for HoT to bed in and time for ppl to finish it. Plus we have Halloween and then Wintersday. That’s a lot going on for more content to then appear on top.

Adngel.9786:

2 weeks after the HoT release, is very precipitated for the living world. I would bet for 2 months instead.

That sounds more realistic. It’s just Anet knows exactly where they want to go now, and they’re hiring more people, so I got a little excited.

Randulf.7614:

Did they def confirm LW season 3? I know the last comment was they weren’t sure how they’d approach seasons again, but that was some time ago and I haven’t kept up beyond that announcement.

Speculation would leave me to expect any LW content to be post Xmas or early spring. They’d want a grace period for HoT to bed in and time for ppl to finish it. Plus we have Halloween and then Wintersday. That’s a lot going on for more content to then appear on top.

I think that depends on when HoT comes out. It currently seems to be around July 31st?…

Fenom.9457:

Randulf.7614:

Did they def confirm LW season 3? I know the last comment was they weren’t sure how they’d approach seasons again, but that was some time ago and I haven’t kept up beyond that announcement.

Speculation would leave me to expect any LW content to be post Xmas or early spring. They’d want a grace period for HoT to bed in and time for ppl to finish it. Plus we have Halloween and then Wintersday. That’s a lot going on for more content to then appear on top.

I think that depends on when HoT comes out. It currently seems to be around July 31st?…

That’s to do with a refund grace period for the pre-purchase. Whilst I’d welcome such an early release date, I’d b surprised if it was much before end of Aug/early September based on where they are with releasing info and no sign of a beta weekend yet.

Randulf.7614:

Fenom.9457:

Randulf.7614:

Did they def confirm LW season 3? I know the last comment was they weren’t sure how they’d approach seasons again, but that was some time ago and I haven’t kept up beyond that announcement.

Speculation would leave me to expect any LW content to be post Xmas or early spring. They’d want a grace period for HoT to bed in and time for ppl to finish it. Plus we have Halloween and then Wintersday. That’s a lot going on for more content to then appear on top.

I think that depends on when HoT comes out. It currently seems to be around July 31st?…

That’s to do with a refund grace period for the pre-purchase. Whilst I’d welcome such an early release date, I’d b surprised if it was much before end of Aug/early September based on where they are with releasing info and no sign of a beta weekend yet.

They said you can get a refund before the END of the pre-sale. So unless it’s going away from the shop, the only other way for a pre sale to end is to become a regular sale, meaning release.

The announcement on the homepage does not say that. It just says by july 31st. No mention of pre purchase end

Fenom.9457:

Randulf.7614:

Fenom.9457:

Randulf.7614:

Did they def confirm LW season 3? I know the last comment was they weren’t sure how they’d approach seasons again, but that was some time ago and I haven’t kept up beyond that announcement.

Speculation would leave me to expect any LW content to be post Xmas or early spring. They’d want a grace period for HoT to bed in and time for ppl to finish it. Plus we have Halloween and then Wintersday. That’s a lot going on for more content to then appear on top.

I think that depends on when HoT comes out. It currently seems to be around July 31st?…

That’s to do with a refund grace period for the pre-purchase. Whilst I’d welcome such an early release date, I’d b surprised if it was much before end of Aug/early September based on where they are with releasing info and no sign of a beta weekend yet.

They said you can get a refund before the END of the pre-sale. So unless it’s going away from the shop, the only other way for a pre sale to end is to become a regular sale, meaning release.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you talking about something different from the community address at https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/ ?

Living World is supposed to span the gap between expansions, that is pretty much what the devs have said, did ANY of Living World Season’s 1 or 2 have to do with Zhaitan? No. It was all a lead up to the reveal of Mordremoth and the main conflict that we will be facing in the expansion.

We will be killing Mordremoth in the expansion, no doubt about it. If not, then ANet will be facing more rage than we saw with the pre purchase controversy.

Why do you all think that Living World Season 3 is going to lead up to the Mordremoth fight? My personal theory is that Season 3 will be about the aftermath of the death of Mordremoth. Will the pact survive this expansion? If not, we have gathered the leaders of the world together, what will this new force be called? Will WE be the commander of it?

One of my personal theories about Glint’s egg is that they’re gonna pull a Grey Warden kinda thing with it like we need the egg to be in the proximity of Mordremoth when we kill him so that the magic that is released from his death is able to be absorbed by the egg, and then maybe at the end of the HoT the egg hatches and we have a dragon that has this great magic all up in it.

If that happens, couldn’t Season 3 be about what do we do with Glint’s offspring? The Sylvari are dragon minions, and after killing Mordremoth there could be splinter groups of Sylvari that still have a loyalty to Mordremoth and want revenge for his death and vow to steal the hatchling of Glint to turn it to their will?

The possibilities are there for MANY stories for Season 3.

Killing Mordremoth IN Season 3 will be a terrible mistake if that’s the path they have decided to go down.

I would rather hope we get to kill Mordremoth in the HOT expansion. Actually I’d like him to be killed and the set-up for going after Krak to be the premise for LW3.
As it stands the following story threads still have to be done for GW2
Primordious
Bubbles
Krak
Jormag
Dragon aftermath (magic gone wild)
Cantha
Cantha aftermath
Elona (overthrowing the undead)
Elona aftermath
Return of the Gods/ Hunting for the gods

That’s a good 10 years of story and that’s only the ones they have setups for, there could be many more scarlets as well coming out of nowhere. So they need to pick up the pace in terms of the dragon story.

Maybe I missed something but where did Anet state that you would not being killing Mordremoth in the expansion? Was it during one of the POI’s?

webtoehobbit.4201:

Living World is supposed to span the gap between expansions, that is pretty much what the devs have said, did ANY of Living World Season’s 1 or 2 have to do with Zhaitan? No. It was all a lead up to the reveal of Mordremoth and the main conflict that we will be facing in the expansion.

Obviously there wasn’t anything to do with Zhaitan Because Zhaitan was dead already? That doesn’t really prove a thing. Is this all even relevant? What does it matter if the fight against Mordremoth is part of LW3 or not? It doesn’t have to be the only content in LW3. Or if it were, it could simply flow into LW4 that could deal with the aftermath. Expansion has content. LW has content. If anything, I think it would be mistake to tie Mordremoth too closely into HoT areas themself, because what would then happen after Mordy is killed? Would you rework every area to reflect that? Rather it would make more sense to put the story in somehow outside the areas themself.. e.g. LW, and make the areas so that they will only reflect minions, that could still remain there even after the dragon is put down.

I believe we can’t kill Mordremoth in the inital HoT release, it will be locked behind further content releases, but we’ll get those releases LS style. So it will be part of the expansion, just not in the launch version.

Conski Deshan.2057:

I would rather hope we get to kill Mordremoth in the HOT expansion. Actually I’d like him to be killed and the set-up for going after Krak to be the premise for LW3.
As it stands the following story threads still have to be done for GW2
Primordious
Bubbles
Krak
Jormag
Dragon aftermath (magic gone wild)
Cantha
Cantha aftermath
Elona (overthrowing the undead)
Elona aftermath
Return of the Gods/ Hunting for the gods

That’s a good 10 years of story and that’s only the ones they have setups for, there could be many more scarlets as well coming out of nowhere. So they need to pick up the pace in terms of the dragon story.

• GW3: The Magic Gone Wild (2018)
• GW4: Return To Cantha (2024)
• GW5: The Liberation Of Elona (2029)
• GW6: The Old Gods (2035)
  

Given the number of elder dragons it doesn’t make sense to not fight mordy in hot. Also the LW was a lead up to HOT if it doesn’t provide a conclusion then structurally it won’t make sense as well as there undoubtedly being a negative reaction from players.

morrolan.9608:

Given the number of elder dragons it doesn’t make sense to not fight mordy in hot. Also the LW was a lead up to HOT if it doesn’t provide a conclusion then structurally it won’t make sense as well as there undoubtedly being a negative reaction from players.

Exactly, and I’m glad to hear the Mordy WILL be killed in the xpac, as it’s MUCH more logical.

morrolan.9608:

Given the number of elder dragons it doesn’t make sense to not fight mordy in hot. Also the LW was a lead up to HOT if it doesn’t provide a conclusion then structurally it won’t make sense as well as there undoubtedly being a negative reaction from players.

Well technically LW2 was lead-up to Mordy slaughtering the pact. It would make as much sense that the HoT would be about protecting the egg, finding a way to hatch it, to somehow manage to grow up the dragon, and then eventually have it’s help in fighting the rest of the elder dragons – including Mordy. You remember how Glint was helping the original DE, right?

This is all with the optimistic assumption that we’ll have a chance against Mordy to begin with. It might also be about living in the shadow of the elder dragons as they wake up one by one, and trying to survive day by day.

In other words, we can speculate and make guesses, sure. But we can’t really know for sure how the story will go and which paths it’ll take. So it’s a bit difficult to judge what makes sense and what doesn’t. Personally I’d be disappointed if everything went predictably without surprises. Whether it makes sense to put down Mordy during the HoT (and by that I mean, ‘during the time between launch of HoT and launch of the next expansion’), will depend on a lot of things.

I think saying there won’t be fight against Mordy in HoT would refer to the situation at release – e.g. don’t expect to run through jungle content to the zone where the boss fight is to stack and zerk Mordy 3 times a day.

I predict (and hope) that the initial “final” boss of HoT will be corrupted Trahearne. We will kill Mordemoth in the living story later on.

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

webtoehobbit.4201:

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

I’m ok with a good story. Good story doesn’t necessarily mean swift demise of the next elder dragon. It can involve it, or it can be about something else. On the other hand straight up continuing to fight against Mordy could very well be a boring story and leave me disappointed. Didn’t they say something about ‘The Journey Is The Goal’?

Kitsune.1902:

webtoehobbit.4201:

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

I’m ok with a good story. Good story doesn’t necessarily mean swift demise of the next elder dragon. It can involve it, or it can be about something else.

This. I care more about a great story. HOWEVER, I think there are plenty of amazing opportunities for story and killing Mordy

I understand, but this is not the Assassin’s Creed series. I like to have conclusions to the main story arch before we move onto the next one. There is SO much story in the world of Tyria I don’t want to spend two years on that one dragon story when there are many other stories to tell. Besides, name an expansion to your knowledge, where the teased big baddie isn’t the final boss… Mordremoth will be the final boss, or else we will figure out that we shouldn’t kill him and find a way to put him back to sleep, either way, the story will be concluded.

Kitsune.1902:

webtoehobbit.4201:

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

I’m ok with a good story. Good story doesn’t necessarily mean swift demise of the next elder dragon. It can involve it, or it can be about something else. On the other hand straight up continuing to fight against Mordy could very well be a boring story and leave me disappointed. Didn’t they say something about ‘The Journey Is The Goal’?

We’re paying a lot for hot, there needs to be a payoff.

Fenom.9457:

I just read in another thread we won’t get to fight Mordremoth in this expansion?!?

Well if you read it on the Internet somewhere, then it has to be true.

In Wow’s expansions, the “big boss” of the expansion is generally not fought until a later patch, and its not unusual for initial expansion releases in other MMOs to have the main antagonists not accessible in the beginning. The initial expansion tends to just set up the new features and areas, and later patches introduce the meat of the endgame content.

morrolan.9608:

Kitsune.1902:

webtoehobbit.4201:

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

I’m ok with a good story. Good story doesn’t necessarily mean swift demise of the next elder dragon. It can involve it, or it can be about something else. On the other hand straight up continuing to fight against Mordy could very well be a boring story and leave me disappointed. Didn’t they say something about ‘The Journey Is The Goal’?

We’re paying a lot for hot, there needs to be a payoff.

Certainly. I’m just saying that the ‘payoff’ I’m expecting doesn’t have to be directly related to burying an elder dragon. I think it’s a likely development somewhere along the way prior to next expansion (whenever such will come), just it’s not some kind of ‘kill Mordy or pitchforks’ issue to me. I’m a lot more concerned by many other things that hold much more importance to my decision regarding whether to get the expansion or not (which I still haven’t decided).

They made it pretty clear a long time ago they didn’t want the game’s content to be a check list of killing dragons.

All we have to do is air drop some weed killer, not sure a fight is even needed!

Well I could see the HoT story being about establishing a base in the jungle and readying your troops, then in LW S3 you take the fight to Mordremoth, then LW S4 introduces the next dragon and brings us to the next expansion.

Zunnar.8503:

They made it pretty clear a long time ago they didn’t want the game’s content to be a check list of killing dragons.

Too late, thats all its been so far. And if they don’t want that then kill off Mordy in HOT and move on to something else afterward.

I think if we did kill mordemoth in HoT that we’d be really worse off than if he lived into a later released living story.

This expansion’s story hopefully will focus on the pursuit of destiny’s edge, the bolstering and continued rise to prominence of destiny’s edge 2.0 via a passing of the mantle, us exploring the effects of zhaitan’s defeat and how we can harness his power like the inquest intended, how the sylvari are being discriminated against and the growing social tensions there, the state of our pale trees and the existence of other pale trees, the connection of races such as the exalted to mursaat, the fate of bloodstones as hinted in arah p4 and what they can be used for, the disturbance of the mists by revenants and how their power can affects the dragons. etc etc etc

There is a lot of story to be told that can make the death of modremoth much more significant that it is now. Hopefully the expansion story will intorduce us to a lot of these things and give us more compelling motivations for routing the mordrem and what it means in the greater context of the world.

I apologize for rambling.

We might not kill him in the expansion but that’s probably because the expansion is far from being finished (only few new legendaries when they promised them in 2013).

I wouldn’t be surprised if we never fight any of them. Some of the dragons have been awake for centuries and have done nothing. Rift also has ‘big dragons’ but in the course of a little over 2 years or so, the players were able to fight all of them and have a fleshed out story with game content to go with it. GW2 is fast approaching it’s 3 year anniversary and we’ve fought one, while the other 5 did nothing. Living World Season 1 had absolutely no references to the dragons until the very end after we killed Scarlet. It was filler content until then.

All Primordus has done is drive the Asura out from underground and send some of its minions to scout the surface.

All Jormag did was drive the Norn south and make the Sons of Svanir.

Kralkatorrik only made the huge scar in the ground, killed one of its big minions, and went to sleep in the Crystal Desert.

Zhaitan is the only one that we’ve truly had any interaction with or have any real profound effect on the world, and we’ve already dealt with him.

Mordremoth I imagine will just stay in the jungle and do nothing while its minions just become my loot bags, just like Primy, Jory, and Kralk. Bubbles hasn’t done a kitten thing either. I bet you forgot that Bubbles is kind of a thing, because I sure did.

Why hasn’t Kralkatorrik just flown all over Tyria (since merely by flying it corrupts everything below it.). Why hasn’t Primordus erupted out of the ground and scorched the world below? Why did Jormag not keep going south to finish off the Norn? They literally woke up just say hello and have done nothing.

No Mordy fight in an xpac about Mordy is a deal breaker for me. I was not planning on pre-purchasing, but now I won’t even purchase on release until the Living World progresses to the point where he dies I guess. I don’t want a fragmented experience. I want to do it at my own pace whenever I feel like it.

And speaking of pace, if it’s gonna be 3 years to take down 1 dragon, we’ve got another ~12-15 years of GW2 just surrounding dragons to go. And given how quickly ANET abandoned GW1, it doesn’t look like GW2 will cover ALL of the Elder Dragons before it’s time to make GW3.

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

No Mordy fight in an xpac about Mordy is a deal breaker for me. I was not planning on pre-purchasing, but now I won’t even purchase on release until the Living World progresses to the point where he dies I guess. I don’t want a fragmented experience. I want to do it at my own pace whenever I feel like it.

And speaking of pace, if it’s gonna be 3 years to take down 1 dragon, we’ve got another ~12-15 years of GW2 just surrounding dragons to go. And given how quickly ANET abandoned GW1, it doesn’t look like GW2 will cover ALL of the Elder Dragons before it’s time to make GW3.

Well if you wait for a few months after release, you’ll probably get it on discount.. or if you wait until the next expansion, you’ll get it as a free sider – so I guess it’s a win-win.

morrolan.9608:

Given the number of elder dragons it doesn’t make sense to not fight mordy in hot. Also the LW was a lead up to HOT if it doesn’t provide a conclusion then structurally it won’t make sense as well as there undoubtedly being a negative reaction from players.

Your analysis is correct but that doesnt mean they are going to do it.

I doubt heart of thornes will have a complete story

webtoehobbit.4201:

It kinda makes me lose hope in this community that so many of you are ok with idea of not killing Mordremoth, or at least concluding the Mordremoth story arch in HoT…. :’-(

Any living story after HoT release IS part of HoT, and I#d rather they didn’t put mordremoth in a personal story instance and make him die with 1 spam, please.

I want the Mordremoth fight to be awesome, epic and large-scale combat done via long term storytelling. If it’s all done within the personal story then some people will have killed mordremoth within a few weeks of the pact getting utterly annihilated and scattered through the jungle. That’s just not viable given the entire continent’s various factions had to band together just to take on Zhaitan.

The pact needs to regroup, recover, and set up shop in the jungle before they can even hope to focus on defeating Mordremoth. That is a long-term thing and realistically can’t be achieved swiftly.

i can see mordremoth spawning lieutenants for a new permanent world boss, like jormag and kralkatorrik