Guild Wars 2

From post about revenenant:

“New boons, conditions, and status effects have been added to the revenant as well as spread across other professions’ specializations. These are cool ways we’ll allow players to interact with new types of skills in our combat system.”

For me it says clearly that the distribution of those new conditions an boons is strongly affected by marketing team, putting game balance in 2nd place.

Chief reason combat is so fun is because very blurred line of what a given profession is supposed to do and what not, resulting to wide and often unexpected access to many different boons and conditions by many professions.

When it comes to new ones, nope. The line is thick and clear – expansion’s specializations and reveneant, base professions not. That doesn’t sound like a decision made purely with game’s balance and fun in mind.

And no, i’m not afraid to pay 40$ to buy an x-pac, like some posters here suggest. I’m just afraid that in the new world base professions will turn bland regardless if you bought it or not, cause they were denied access to new condies and boons for sake of marketing. (Yes i edited this post since majority seem to have completely misunderstood the point of it.)

This is one of the reasons why I think certain elements of the expansion will bleed over into the base game. They can’t gate every nit picking thing behind the pay wall. It would screw with the balance of the game as a whole.

Tough luck. Then pay for it.

Just by the kitten expansion.

Enough.

They are probably going to do something similar to when they first added in torment. All the new content is obviously going to get it, but they will probably also add it into the different original skills for the professions.

when you’re not willing to pay for the expansion stop playing guild wars 2. They will gain like +50% players (players who come back) and lose like less than 1% from the current playerbase. worth it.
I don’t see any reason not to buy the expansion. We don’t have to pay monthly.

Well consider this scenario (which is real, btw). I’m more then willing to buy the x-pac. But supposing it launched and i did buy it.

Things still stay the same for our base professions. If i choose to not fight as my specialization, but my base profession, I’m still without access to new boons/condis. Cause money. That’s my beef.

Uhm. Some classes don’t really have access to some conditions / boons right now.
Guardian is pretty much the only one who can share Aegis for example.
I don’t see any probems coming with it.

The specialisation will probably be available true the core game if not for else for the sake of PVP.

On a different not. What is Arena net thinking, getting payed for their hard work. Whats next people will work for living and called it a job ?

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Well consider this scenario (which is real, btw). I’m more then willing to buy the x-pac. But supposing it launched and i did buy it.

Things still stay the same for our base professions. If i choose to not fight as my specialization, but my base profession, I’m still without access to new boons/condis. Cause money. That’s my beef.

So in this scenario, you choose to buy the expansion and then choose to ignore specializations entirely. And in addition you make the assumption that existing skills will not be altered to include the new boons and conditions. This is so dumb.

I don’t see a problem here.

Wouldn’t you rather play $2 for every new skill in the cash shop instead?

maybe because of that bolded quote in my opening text? That’s not me saying it, that’s A-net themselves. Read carefully man. It’s not “and their specialisations”. So yeah that’s why i’m posting this topic. Because game balance is getting limited by xpansion purchase.

For crying out loud people, look at Diablo 3. Money grabbing Bli$$ard who has far worse reputation then A-net did add many new features to the base game when realeasing their expansion, not shoving every possible little fix into the x-pac box. If they could do it so can a-net.

My humbles apologies if the quote above is wrong and base professions will too see their share of new condies/boons be it as additions to their old skills or few new ones.

how is this different from all base classes not having access to all existing conditions? I think you are just crying about expansion bringing new content for money…

That is how expansion works in every game.

If you don’t have the condition to buy it with money, farm in game and buy with gems, because if you can’t buy it then you certainly don’t have a job, so I bet that you have plenty of time to farm

Belzebu.3912:

farm in game and buy with gems

just a note, expansion wont be available for gems

Really?
Where you read that?

MaXi.3642:

Belzebu.3912:

farm in game and buy with gems

just a note, expansion wont be available for gems

they haven’t said, probably because the final decision has not been made yet. We find out when they publish prices.

OMG things brought by the expansion might not be available in the base game, unbelievable !

It’s as if they intended to actually sell it, shocking !

Really ? Is it too much for you to understand they have to sell their work ?

I thought I saw it somewhere so I tried to find it but didn’t succeed, so maybe it was just an assumption based on some other information, sorry

I would assume they thought of balance when adding these effects. I believe that they only add them to new specialisation/classes because reworking the original classes would change them too much (pretty sure many people would be opposed to this). In any case, if these new effects are so strong they become required in any gamemodes meta, this would cause people to abandon the old classes, which is what I think you fear.

Since I do not believe Anet wants this to happen, I’m sure they’ll try their best to balance these new effects so they don’t invalidate old classes. Killing diversity just to sell an expansion would not only be a dirty move, but more importantly a very stupid one.

OMG! Thanks OP, if you hadn’t have made that post I would have carried on oblivious to the fact Anet is a business trying to make money. How dare they! I thought they made the game purely for the love of it. I didn’t realise they were trying to find ways to make more money. It’s almost as if they are trying to keep themselves in business so they can continue producing stuff for the game or something. What are they playing at?!

Ok, sarcasm out the way, let me try to put this as simply as I can for you.

The new conditions and boon will not make the new profession and specializations more powerful than the base professions. They will merely have some new options. For all we know these new options could come at the price of losing some base options. For example, the necro specialization may gain taunt but lose fear.

We simply don’t know enough information yet to go jumping to wild conclusions. The base professions will be just as capable as the new specs. They will just offer different build and tool options.

Taunt is not much different to fear, just the other way around. Resistance is already a mechanic used by Warriors, but is now a boon. And it could very well end up that the Warrior’s existing condition immunity will be changed to the new boon. Slow is the reverse of quickness, and quickness is getting a buff, which will effect all base profs.

These new condis and boon are not more powerful than existing ones, they just offer different tactics and ways to play your profession. So lets all try to relax a little shall we? Take a deep breath and try to be a little more patient. We will only know how these things will effect the game once we start using them. Theory crafting is one thing, but theory crafting on limited information is a waste of time.

Oh look, another thread of asking to move everything from the expansion to the base game so that you wouldn’t have to pay a dime to play a game you love.

Give it a rest already. Expansions are meant to be bought, not ignored.

Tom Gore.4035:

Give it a rest already. Expansions are meant to be bought, not ignored.

Indeed. I dont even see how anyone can argue against it. People that have played the game for 3 years should not have any problems buying the expansion. New players will get GW2+expansion for probably the same amount we paid for GW2 on release.

stop crying about having to buy it in order to gain access to new proff\specialisation\whatever,its the same in gw1,if u want the new shiny things,buy it,its just an expansion,id guess the price will be around 30$ (for comparison,epax price will be around eotn price,not fac\nf price,its not another campaign,its an expansion.) just go work for 3-4 hours and ull have enough money to buy it and have extra for gems

The Class Balance team can barely manage to stick to any sort of coherent narrative and you think Marketing(!??!) has the chops to come down and say, “how about you subtly screw all existing classes so that people — 99% of whom will never even notice — feel compelled to buy the expansion. Muhwahaha!” ((insert Mister Smithers finger steepling here))

This is beyond tinfoil hat country. Now we’re really out in the deepest darkest fringe. Beware, a Wild Paranoia has appeared!

Actually despite the protestations of the masses about the precious, this is already a reality. Many of the runes/sigils are drops only and with the horrible state of RNG in the title it’s pretty much behind a pay wall to begin with by having people pay for gems to purchase gold (especially new players). Been saying this for a long long time now but apparently people don’t have the capacity to think for themselves in these cases because this seems to be a sickness that’s spreading across all of the MMOs out there to date. There’s a new breed of gamer as well that feels there’s absolutely nothing wrong with requiring real life payment for items that should be available to everyone in game without a DLC cost. If this went to console that wouldn’t be a reality any longer.

tigirius.9014:

Many of the runes/sigils are drops only and with the horrible state of RNG in the title it’s pretty much behind a pay wall to begin with by having people pay for gems to purchase gold (especially new players).

so now we will call farming of ingame currency a pay wall? I think we have just reached another level of QQing

MaXi.3642:

so now we will call farming of ingame currency a pay wall? I think we have just reached another level of QQing

The tiers of QQ tears are infinite.

Rin.1046:

MaXi.3642:

I think we have just reached another level of QQing

The tiers of QQ tears are infinite.

The tears are but a ladder, a pathway to the ascendency of pwned.

Dang. Now I want to start a cult.

I wouldnt read to much into every word of the blog. Until the game launches many things still can change.

This is clearly a topic from a bored person who tries very very hard to find something bad about Anet. Your cry won’t matter much as the majority of players will eventually buy it in the end. The game is totally cheap almost every month’s end. You can expect deals like this for HotW, too. After some time….

kitten … looks like you’ll have to pay for some new content, sucks how that works, eh?

If its any consolation, no doubt if you dont buy the expansion, you’ll still get to suffer from them from enemies. That’s kinda like getting them, right?

Algreg.3629:

Tough luck. Then pay for it.

Couldn’t have put it any better myself. Willy Wonka might have though.

People who are still playing or interested by the game after so much time are going to buy the expansion, period.

This is something we’ve been wanting for a long time. We better be willing to pay for it. On the other hand, Anet better be bringing it!