Would raiders and non raiders be interested in a spectator mode for Raids?
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- This allows inexperienced folks a chance to learn encounters, without requiring raiders to train or worry about someone holding them back.
- It allows non-raiders to see the dialogue during the encounters.
- It might possibly provide a simpler way of giving non-raiders access to completed instances, to explore and read the various text pop-ups.
- Done well, it might also allow spectating in other instanced content, such as Living Stories (great for those who don’t own) or Fractals.
I have no idea how much effort this would take. It seems simple, since PvP already includes Spectator mode and the ability of people to move to|from participant to observer. However, I don’t know if PvE code allows for that to happen.
It would also require some restrictions that aren’t as important for PvP:
- Raiders would have to opt-in — no spectating unless offered by the group.
- Spectators & raiders wouldn’t be arbitrarily able to swap modes between start & finish, to prevent various sorts of exploits.
- There might or might not be /chat between raiders & spectators.
I can also see other objections:
- This probably reduces the pressure on ANet to offer easier modes for raids, which will please a lot of raiders (who don’t want that) and displease some non-raiders (who do want it).
- This probably would supersede some sorts of changes to LFG (since that would have to be integrated) and to spectating (since that currently has its own issues).
- There would be some privacy issues (prevent /blocked players from spectating automatically? allow whispers from spectators?…)
tl;dr create a spectator mode for raids, to allow people to experience parts of the content, without a need to change difficulty levels or rewards for non-raiders.
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I like the idea, but I’ve heard it before for other games and the main problem that always comes up is that it will make raids easier if you have a dedicated raid leader that is just spectating and doesn’t have to worry about dodging attacks himself/herself. To compensate you would have to make the spectators lag behind, and that in turn means much more coding effort and load on the servers (I guess).
Also there are plenty of raid videos on YouTube that do more or less the same thing.
Spectating and watching a video isn’t anything close to the same experience. A lot of people won’t watch vids; more would spectate.
I hadn’t thought about the possibility of a raid leader using VoIP + spectate. I’m not sure if that’s necessarily a bad thing. People still have to learn and execute the mechanics.
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I don’t know if this is already been suggested, but when you die during raid it would be nice for the dead to follow one of the team mates as a spectator. Because otherwise you just lie there with nothing else to do.
most of the time it is only a problem in the third wing during first event. makes you want to tab out and write a post in the forum about ^^
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I got vaguely excited by the title.
It would actually be really cool / informative to have a mode where players can watch raiders in real time.
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I got vaguely excited by the title.
It would actually be really cool / informative to have a mode where players can watch raiders in real time.
That would be pretty cool! Just head to the aerodome and queue up for spectator mode on a current raid. We could watch, and learn, in real time. Useful for downtime between farm runs, events or content dry spells.
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well actually that is a good idea too
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Although I agree with this idea and it was suggested before BUT I see one reason why AN might not want this feature. With this you can always have 1 more person being outside raid watching and calling mechanics which will be like 11th person in raid.
As I said in the previous thread suggesting this , that’s hardly a major issue. The 11th person has to give up their time and won’t get any of the rewards.
And should it be like you could watch anyone? or you have to be invited to spectate? I can see some groups not wanting to be watched by random ppl
They’d have to make it “opt in” only, meaning spectating only if the squad leader allowed it (or perhaps only if everyone in the squad allowed it).
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I like the idea.
But….
Isnt this something that the community can already do, sort of, for itself by recording raid runs and posting to youtube?
Raid videos only show one perspective. And half the time they’re set to really trashy music and/or the overly hyper git on his headset won’t shut up. Won’t doubt there are some decent training videos out there as well, but it’d be nice to have a broader view of raids as a training tool.
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Isnt this something that the community can already do, sort of, for itself by recording raid runs and posting to youtube?
I have yet to see a raid video that was helpful to me in learning more (2 minute excerpts: yes; actual vids? no). It takes a lot of time to make a good video.
Spectator mode offers the possibility of real time feedback over VoIP and can be slowed down to cover specific elements of the experience.
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That twitch.tv though.
I stream all my raiding, training and progressive. Just about anyone with a decent net can do it too, just gotta convince them.
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