Guild Wars 2

Your character doesn’t talk to their legend, but sometimes the legend will say a line when you swap to their stance. I’m sure it will get old fast, unless it’s Jalis shouting “Stonehammer is ready for battle!” In a really forced Russian accent. That is just funny to me every time.

Yeah, but only because all those classes are older and from begin on in the game is no reason to let them have not also too class specific on their unique mechanics based on animations and voice acts, like what Anet plans here for the revenant, that they will be talking with their various Legends, as if they are able to hear their voices in their heads with all havign their own personalities ect. which are also like I understood it influencable, based on which legends you use while you play.

The whole blog makes it sound liek beign alot more, than just beign some simple generic voice files but far more like a system, that should give the player the full impression, that the legends are more than just only a simply combat relative mechanic for this class, but that they play also a big role in the whole character identity of your character and how the legends do see you, in regard of how you use then and you you play with your characters…

This goes way beyond everything what the other classes have in regard of interativity and thats why I made up these examples for all classes.
If they are going so far to make such an effort to make the legends of the revenant to look and funtion like complete own beings with their own identities, opinions and personalities that will be played out while you play your character, it would be more than nice, if ANet would put such an effort into the other classes also too and add more interactivity to them based on their class mechanics.

Thats all what I did say.

There goes my hopes and dreams for melee staff on thief. Just wanted a ninja flipping out Asura…with wings and a fez hat.

I’ll settle for mainhand axe though. nudge nudge Anet

Err Orpheal I think you’re reading into it a bit much. So far as I read – it’s just dialogue like what we’ve already seen in beta.

Elementalists have racial specific dialogue when they change attunements, Warriors inform you of their fury, Necromancers say something when they enter Deathshroud and comment on their minions.

It’s true I wish more classes had such dialogue. I remember being disappointed that my Mesmer didn’t do anything specific except Mantras. The first time I heard my Mesmer say, “I make a pretty good team” I assumed it was Mesmer specific and thought it was a hilarious and perfect voice over for a profession that makes clones of them self – then I found out it’s just a sylvari combo thing.

Orpheal.8263:

Yeah, but only because all those classes are older and from begin on in the game is no reason to let them have not also too class specific on their unique mechanics based on animations and voice acts, like what Anet plans here for the revenant, that they will be talking with their various Legends, as if they are able to hear their voices in their heads with all havign their own personalities ect. which are also like I understood it influencable, based on which legends you use while you play.

The whole blog makes it sound liek beign alot more, than just beign some simple generic voice files but far more like a system, that should give the player the full impression, that the legends are more than just only a simply combat relative mechanic for this class, but that they play also a big role in the whole character identity of your character and how the legends do see you, in regard of how you use then and you you play with your characters…

This goes way beyond everything what the other classes have in regard of interativity and thats why I made up these examples for all classes.
If they are going so far to make such an effort to make the legends of the revenant to look and funtion like complete own beings with their own identities, opinions and personalities that will be played out while you play your character, it would be more than nice, if ANet would put such an effort into the other classes also too and add more interactivity to them based on their class mechanics.

Thats all what I did say.

Part of it is the flavor of the class, that’s for sure. That being said, we don’t know what changes they have in mind for the existing classes that will be bundled in to the existing classes. Mesmers are unique snowflakes with their magic butterflies and phantasms, as are Rangers with their Pets and Engineers with pretty much everything they do—and ANet can make all of the classic classes more unique just to differentiate them from their elite specs.

Sure thing, I coudl read into this too much, but thats just my impression that I got from the blog.
If the thing turns out to be nothing but simple voice dialogues that do appear just randomly, like all others for all other classes…then I have nothing said.

Quote:

A revenant’s legends are not merely echoes of the past but are fully sentient, with opinions and personalities of their own.

Activating skills will occasionally trigger in-game dialogue from the legends, and the player character will sometimes respond with race-specific dialogue of their own. Depending on the legend your revenant has summoned between fights, you may also hear some >> small talk out of combat <<.

Folowed by a part in an article, that describes also that NPCs will react on revenants, liek Scholars and Historins … I haven’t seen yet a single stupid NPC in this game react on me as a Thief (no one finds it even weird that a Thief is their “Commander”
But historians and Scholars out of a sudden will react naturally on Revernants, because they have some mighty legends inside them fro mthe past that are fully sentients with own opinios and personalities, that can speak to them basicalyl (if they want)

Somewhere must be the line drawn between very simple dialogues and a more interactive and aesthetically improved version over what all other classes have now.

Orpheal.8263:

Sure thing, I coudl read into this too much, but thats just my impression that I got from the blog.
If the thing turns out to be nothing but simple voice dialogues that do appear just randomly, like all others for all other classes…then I have nothing said.

Quote:

A revenant’s legends are not merely echoes of the past but are fully sentient, with opinions and personalities of their own.

Activating skills will occasionally trigger in-game dialogue from the legends, and the player character will sometimes respond with race-specific dialogue of their own. Depending on the legend your revenant has summoned between fights, you may also hear some >> small talk out of combat <<.

That doesn’t sound too different from audible shouts and pet commands to me, not to mention all of the character flavor dialogue you get for getting boons and conditions and on random big hits (“There’s one to remember me by!” comes to mind). The only difference will be a difference in voice.

First off this isn’t a complaint, just the borderline constructive rants which bounce around inside my noggin.

I leveled a female human Guardian in the hopes of having a viable healer. Heavy zodiac torso and legs, glowing carapace gloves, shoulders and boots, devil horns and light of dwayna on back – white hair, gold theme and the glowing carapace parts can be made to match the galaxy blue of the zodiac pieces exactly with specific colors (not the ones you would think. End result, she looks pretty kitten celestial – with out equipping the celestial stats of course.

I’m wondering if I should delete her to re-level a healing human female revenant. It all comes down to which one heals better. The floating tablet of ventari’ness sounds promising, requiring people to actively move to get healing I’m not sure of. While “active” healing will likely heal more for then passive healing, its unlikely people will go to the effort to get it.

Need to balance that off against the novelty of having a Sylvari who can troll Ventari.

If this nonsense of the hammer as a ranged weapon is so rejected (much like the Mesmer great sword) as to merit a post about it, why not simply change it to something else. People clearly do not like this.

Gerrand.3085:

I leveled a female human Guardian in the hopes of having a viable healer.

Hoping for a viable healer is in vain. Neither Guardians nor Revenants will ever be able to fill that role. Sure, they might do support, including some healing (but mainly knockbacks, blinds, boons and so on) but GW2 is not and will not be a game where pure support characters have a place. That is how Anet designed the entire combat system and I don’t see that changing.

Here are the skills you’ll be able to use after summoning Ventari’s tablet:
Ventari’s Will

“Will the tablet toward the target location. As the tablet moves, it will heal allies it passes through.”

This is a core skill of the legend since the other skills are based around commanding the tablet to do something. Because the tablet heals allies it passes through, the revenant will need to strategically coordinate with other players to get the most out of each movement.

Protective Solace

“Summon a protective barrier around the tablet that destroys enemy projectiles.”

This skill creates a barrier of natural energy around the tablet. While this barrier is active, it will destroy all projectiles that come into contact with it. This is the upkeep skill for the legend, so you can toggle it on or off at the cost of rapidly depleting your energy bar. The tablet can be moved while the barrier is active.

Energy Expulsion

“Force energy to erupt from the tablet, knocking back foes and leaving behind energy fragments that heal allies.”

This is the elite skill, which I briefly touched on before. It will send a surge of energy through the tablet, dismissing it. Foes will be knocked back by the energy forced through the tablet, so you can use it at opportune times to interrupt key skills or even knock enemies away from a downed ally. Energy fragments are left around the area as well, and allies will be able to walk over these fragments to receive healing, similar to the staff skill Rejuvenating Assault.

http://i.imgur.com/wP1UXvH.jpg

Apolo.5942:

If this nonsense of the hammer as a ranged weapon is so rejected (much like the Mesmer great sword) as to merit a post about it, why not simply change it to something else. People clearly do not like this.

I actually feel like the ranged hammer and melee staff are great additions to the game and add a litttle more personality to the revenant as a whole.

You know I may have missed it but I didn’t see them say anything about the Tablet disappearing when you swap out of the legend, just if you move a certain distance from it or overload it. Maybe with traits and stuff you can give all sorts of passive effects on ticks within the Tablet’s circle but still be able to switch freely between Ventari and another. It does say when you first attune Ventari that you get his tablet summon skill though so that makes it kindof up in the air.

When I see Energy Expulsion, I envision getting into a custom arena and trying some guild bowling.

Yeah, its sounds good on a paper, but not so much in practice. Just like rev hammer. As i said you wont gain huge amount of resistance during mallyx which can be stripped easily btw. You still dont make a lot of use from Mallyx. You also forgetting the fact that embrance the darkness cost huge amount of energy and grants resistance once upon entering it. Theres no point to stay in this form (again cool skill olny on a paper).

The condition removal on it own wont be high enough to bunker effective against one condi build, let alone 2. I could see Shiro as it might be possible for him to transfer conditions on attacks, but i dont see jalis+mallyx combo with staff.

Invictus.1503:

In regards to the staff, it seems like a great secondary weapon if we could weapon swap, but I just can’t see myself taking it into battle over other weapon sets except in very specific ways. The more I see the weapons, the more I see they basically lock you in to a specific style and don’t lend well to blending. At first I was completely on board with not having a weapon swap with Revenant, but the more they reveal the more I think that is extremely limiting.

As for Ventari legend, it seem a bit cumbersome, but then I’d like to see it in action first.

Keep in mind the defensive potential for Staff in Melee combat.
With Jalis and staff, this could be a nice team up.

Another vision distorting bubble?
This time one that will hang around almost permanently?
The Revenants have blindfolds on but are you expecting blind players as well?
Can I hit the dev and artist responsible for this yet?

You can make a viable healer with any class right now. It just makes you a terrible teammate.

cocowoushi.7150:

Hmm, this part makes me wonder:
So, how does it work? When you first invoke Legendary Centaur Stance, you’ll have only one available skill. This skill will summon the tablet to appear next to your character. After you bring the tablet into the world, your skill bar will fill with the five legend-based skills, all of which manipulate the tablet.

The “You will only have 1 skill until you activate tablet” was what I’m thinking is odd. What is the skill? Where is it placed? Is it our heal slot? Utility? What happens to the heal slot when you are in the stance but haven’t activated the tablet yet? If you don’t have a heal until you activate the tablet, it’ll make it extremely important not to camp the Ventari stance until you absolutely need it.

Just seems very odd to me.

similar to a reverse Engineer Kit, or a reverse Warrior Rampage.

It starts off as 1 skill when you turn into the legendary Centaur. They the first skill summons the Tablet at the location of choice. then the 6-7-8-9-0 skills change into normal Legend skills.

Skill 0 will destroy the Tablet, and go back to having a single skill again.

I’m interested to see if they really meant the -skill- bar changes, not the -utility- bar. If so will it matter what weapon you have equipped as Ventari? And is that good or bad for synergy with a second Legend?

Also, there are a lot of threads with the same title, making it hard to track which one is saying what.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Revenant-Compassion-As-A-Way-of-Life-1/first#post5121711
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/I-can-outrun-a-centaur/first#post5121897
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Revenant-Compassion-As-A-Way-of-Life/first#post5121798

Lord Rheios.4152:

You know I may have missed it but I didn’t see them say anything about the Tablet disappearing when you swap out of the legend, just if you move a certain distance from it or overload it. Maybe with traits and stuff you can give all sorts of passive effects on ticks within the Tablet’s circle but still be able to switch freely between Ventari and another. It does say when you first attune Ventari that you get his tablet summon skill though so that makes it kindof up in the air.

Tablet is linked to Centaur stance.
the first skill summons it.

the rest of the skills control it.

changing stances and not having it disappear would leave no control and the first skill useless.

Gerrand.3085:

First off this isn’t a complaint, just the borderline constructive rants which bounce around inside my noggin.

I leveled a female human Guardian in the hopes of having a viable healer. Heavy zodiac torso and legs, glowing carapace gloves, shoulders and boots, devil horns and light of dwayna on back – white hair, gold theme and the glowing carapace parts can be made to match the galaxy blue of the zodiac pieces exactly with specific colors (not the ones you would think. End result, she looks pretty kitten celestial – with out equipping the celestial stats of course.

I’m wondering if I should delete her to re-level a healing human female revenant. It all comes down to which one heals better. The floating tablet of ventari’ness sounds promising, requiring people to actively move to get healing I’m not sure of. While “active” healing will likely heal more for then passive healing, its unlikely people will go to the effort to get it.

Need to balance that off against the novelty of having a Sylvari who can troll Ventari.

No healers in this game sorry… If you really like healing you could level Ele. I mean you still go full berserker but there’s been lots of times I’ve saved people from blasting my water fields. Though a good player won’t require healing since their self heal and evades will keep them alive.

Varkros.4158:

There goes my hopes and dreams for melee staff on thief. Just wanted a ninja flipping out Asura…with wings and a fez hat.

I’ll settle for mainhand axe though. nudge nudge Anet

I hope they will get that just with a later coming E-Spec.
Something like Quarterstaff wielding “Rogues/Brawlers” are simply a must for Thieves.

Revs with their Melee Staffs are more a kind of brute/magical melee combatant with the Staff, while the Thief E-Spec with a Quarterstaff would be far more the quick, elegant and martial artistical melee staff combatants what you would expect from a Thief to fight like with a Staff, as they are still the “Acrobats” under all classes and not the Revenant

I’m not sure what the point of having just one skill, which summons it, then replaced with 5 skills, at least one of which destroys it, resetting the summon bar.

Unless the summon goes on cooldown?

It does seem intriguing though.

penelopehannibal.8947:

It says part way through “and the revenant will be the first profession to use the staff as a melee weapon in Guild Wars 2.”

Please. Please. Please tell me there will be another profession that uses Melee staff! Preferably one that isn’t heavy armour class. Wink wink!

I certainly hope that’s the case.

Am I the only one who thinks this legendary won’t ever be used except by people who don’t care for DPS?

Support in GW is non-existent, particularly on the healing side. The only support people care about is might and fury.

So unless HoT makes the current meta 100% inop, something tells me this legendary just won’t see the light of day very often.

Varkros.4158:

There goes my hopes and dreams for melee staff on thief. Just wanted a ninja flipping out Asura…with wings and a fez hat.

I’ll settle for mainhand axe though. nudge nudge Anet

Hope for this is not lost yet! As I mentioned earlier:

“and the revenant will be the first profession to use the staff as a melee weapon in Guild Wars 2.” <— So hopefully not the last nudge nudge Anet

cocowoushi.7150:

Your character doesn’t talk to their legend, but sometimes the legend will say a line when you swap to their stance. I’m sure it will get old fast, unless it’s Jalis shouting “Stonehammer is ready for battle!” In a really forced Russian accent. That is just funny to me every time.

Ventari Stance is going to have the quotes from on the tablet most likely.
On Stance: Act with wisdom.
Ventari’s Will: Where life goes, so too should you.
Protective Solace: The only lasting peace is the peace within your own soul.
Energy Expulsion: Never leave a wrong to ripen into evil!

penelopehannibal.8947:

It says part way through “and the revenant will be the first profession to use the staff as a melee weapon in Guild Wars 2.”

Please. Please. Please tell me there will be another profession that uses Melee staff! Preferably one that isn’t heavy armour class. Wink wink!

If they ever give thief a melee staff in the future I may consider switching mains. :o

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Am I the only one who thinks this legendary won’t ever be used except by people who don’t care for DPS?

Support in GW is non-existent, particularly on the healing side. The only support people care about is might and fury.

So unless HoT makes the current meta 100% inop, something tells me this legendary just won’t see the light of day very often.

It’ll be useful in Silverwastes, and SW is the is possibly a prototype of what we can expect in HoT.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Am I the only one who thinks this legendary won’t ever be used except by people who don’t care for DPS?

Support in GW is non-existent, particularly on the healing side. The only support people care about is might and fury.

So unless HoT makes the current meta 100% inop, something tells me this legendary just won’t see the light of day very often.

We can switch between two legends. So you can always have the dps one but switch to Ventari whenever you need to block projectile or do whatever the other utility skills do.

Since skills don’t have cooldowns, it’s not really useful to have 2 legends that do the same role. Ventari will probably be more situational, but still useful.

Lore foul! Ventari was a pacifist to its furthest extreme. He would never lend his strength and abilities to any soldier or warrior, even for defense and healing.

A few of his only lines:
“…peace is the path I walk. I must remain neutral.”
" I wish to live in peace, and you and your kind are not capable of anything but war. My kin are not much better, it is true, but I have chosen a different path."
[But the Mantle will kill us all!]
“I am sorry. I do not wish you ill, but neither can I help you.”
[Have you no heart?]
“If it is “heart” that brings one to kill another, then no I don’t. In these times, a peaceful mind does more good than a violent heart. …"

(from http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/White_Mantle_Wrath:_A_Helping_Hand )

Unless channeling Ventari also disables/replaces weapon skills, stealing his spirit to fight a war is a mockery of who he is and what he stands for.

Trise.2865:

Lore foul! Ventari was a pacifist to its furthest extreme. He would never lend his strength and abilities to any soldier or warrior, even for defense and healing.

And do you think a demon like Mallyx would help anyone?

I dont think the legends have much of a choice…

Yeah, a melee staff. i don’t think i’ll be channeling ventari while using it.

Muchacho.2390:

And do you think a demon like Mallyx would help anyone?

I dont think the legends have much of a choice…

Legends that don’t want to lend help have penalties, mallyx inflicts conditions on the revenant. I don’t think Ventari will do that.

Tim.6450:

Muchacho.2390:

And do you think a demon like Mallyx would help anyone?

I dont think the legends have much of a choice…

Legends that don’t want to lend help have penalties, mallyx inflicts conditions on the revenant. I don’t think Ventari will do that.

I disagree. Legends are only aspects for Revenants. They channel the powers and memories from them with their own free will. They dont summon the legend themselves to do the work for them.

Knighthonor.4061:

Tim.6450:

Muchacho.2390:

And do you think a demon like Mallyx would help anyone?

I dont think the legends have much of a choice…

Legends that don’t want to lend help have penalties, mallyx inflicts conditions on the revenant. I don’t think Ventari will do that.

I disagree. Legends are only aspects for Revenants. They channel the powers and memories from them with their own free will. They dont summon the legend themselves to do the work for them.

http://dulfy.net/2015/06/04/gw2-hidden-arcanaroleplaying-the-revenant

A revenant’s legends are not merely echoes of the past but are fully sentient, with opinions and personalities of their own. What this means for the relationship between revenant and legend varies between individuals, as some legends are considerably more thrilled about being channeled than others. In fact, some of them are downright cranky about it; Mallyx in particular is so offended at having his immense power borrowed by upstart mortals that using some of those powers will take health from the revenant. King Jalis Ironhammer, on the other hand, is overjoyed to be back in action and will bolster the revenant’s defenses while gleefully encouraging them to take him into battle. The strengths and weaknesses of each legend in gameplay are grounded in the personality of the character being channeled.

Is it me or Revenant will be the "all-profession-in-one" profession?

- Selecting what profession you want to be for the next fight (legend + weapon)
- No "too polyvalent weakening" because of the choice done (take that Engineer!)
- Only one character to level up (take that rerolls!)

Everyone is talking about making a revenant around me...
Remind me the overpowered WoW Death Knight at Lich King, and Monk at Mist of Pandaria...
*is sad now*

Knighthonor.4061:

Lord Rheios.4152:

You know I may have missed it but I didn’t see them say anything about the Tablet disappearing when you swap out of the legend, just if you move a certain distance from it or overload it. Maybe with traits and stuff you can give all sorts of passive effects on ticks within the Tablet’s circle but still be able to switch freely between Ventari and another. It does say when you first attune Ventari that you get his tablet summon skill though so that makes it kindof up in the air.

Tablet is linked to Centaur stance.
the first skill summons it.

the rest of the skills control it.

changing stances and not having it disappear would leave no control and the first skill useless.

Partially my point. I’m not sure you have to summon it again once its out unless you dismiss it or move too far from it. So my assumption, and its just that, is that the tablet might stay out if trait-ed or something. Maybe even giving passive benefits or something. As a result when you switch back you wouldn’t need the resummon skill, you’d just get your modified Skill Bar.
I’m just trying to think of ways it might make sense to combo with the consistent Legend switching that the Revenant is likely to do.

Trise.2865:

Lore foul! Ventari was a pacifist to its furthest extreme. He would never lend his strength and abilities to any soldier or warrior, even for defense and healing.

A few of his only lines:
“…peace is the path I walk. I must remain neutral.”
" I wish to live in peace, and you and your kind are not capable of anything but war. My kin are not much better, it is true, but I have chosen a different path."
[But the Mantle will kill us all!]
“I am sorry. I do not wish you ill, but neither can I help you.”
[Have you no heart?]
“If it is “heart” that brings one to kill another, then no I don’t. In these times, a peaceful mind does more good than a violent heart. …"

(from http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/White_Mantle_Wrath:_A_Helping_Hand )

Unless channeling Ventari also disables/replaces weapon skills, stealing his spirit to fight a war is a mockery of who he is and what he stands for.

Perhaps that is built in. Maybe the entire time we channel him he complains and objects to our killing and using his power in battle. Similar to how Mallyx doesn’t like us using his power based on his dialog. The legends don’t seem to have a direct choice in whether we use their power or not.

Gottay say Ventari looks amazing, yet hard to use in actualy pvp settings. Really curious how it play out. It also going to synergy pretty well with Jalis as a bunker or Mallyx as condition dealer, cause when you get overloaded by condi on mallyx, you can just swap out and clean condi. Really curious how Shiro and Glint will play out.

Muchacho.2390:

Trise.2865:

Lore foul! Ventari was a pacifist to its furthest extreme. He would never lend his strength and abilities to any soldier or warrior, even for defense and healing.

And do you think a demon like Mallyx would help anyone?

I dont think the legends have much of a choice…

Yes! In fact, Mallyx is all about causing suffering and chaos. If he has to rely on puny mortals borrowing his powers to do it, then so be it. He’s just cranky because he wants to do the suffer-causing and chaosing himself… and that whole “greater good”, “in order to save whatever, whatever…” Bleh, who needs it? /evillaugh

You’re right though, it seems channeling a legend is more akin to a phone call from a rich and/or old relative… they can’t ignore us and can’t really hang up on us, no matter how they feel about it. But they can try to influence us not to call them again.

Even so, Wouldn’t using Ventari’s spirit this way be absolutely insulting, and downright blasphemous to the Sylvari? not to mention the Humans who may remember him? or the Norn who revere spirits above all else? (the Charr and Asura wouldn’t likely care, of course…) It would be like using the Holy Grail to heal/resurrect soldiers and win a war. Highly effective, to be sure, but insulting and offensive to Christians.

i dont know seem to be more as monk with all the healing and condi cleanse

also the meta still be zerk with all the condi cleanse out there