Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,

Do you think the new class will be able to use hammer? I’ve mained a hammer guard since launch as I absolutely love hammer as a weapon. With the upcoming XPAC and my increasing urge to main another class (with hammer ofc), I really hope rev will be able to as well. If not, I guess I’ll be trying out the new eng hammer specialization.

I wonder if it’d be one of the main weps or the wep when channelling Jalis Ironhammer. Doesn’t make sense that a heavy class wouldn’t be able to use hammer right? Also, the thought of my Juggernaut and channelling legends just has an ominous feel to it

Cheers

It feels like they should be able to use hammer, but who knows. That troll spear could have been a remodelled hammer.

Actually, it’d be cool if we got Rytlock classic Sword and Pistol combo as part of the revenant class.

I really hope hammer will be become the meta dps wep in at least rev or engg lol. Wonder how wep choice will correlate to the skills when channelling. As in, will the channelling skills change based on the wep or can certain legends only be channelled by certain weapons… it’ll be interesting to see.

avatarpranav.1379:

I really hope hammer will be become the meta dps wep in at least rev or engg lol. Wonder how wep choice will correlate to the skills when channelling. As in, will the channelling skills change based on the wep or can certain legends only be channelled by certain weapons… it’ll be interesting to see.

Yeah, would be nice to see Hammer actually make it to the pve scene.
I double you, my friend

yanipheonu.5798:

It feels like they should be able to use hammer, but who knows. That troll spear could have been a remodelled hammer.

Actually, it’d be cool if we got Rytlock classic Sword and Pistol combo as part of the revenant class.

I’m really hoping that troll spear was actually a staff used in melee. I’d take a melee staff over a hammer a hundred times over. I expect weapon choice will be limited for the Revenant and if I get a melee staff, I’m fine with anything else they want to give or leave out.

Crash.5362:

avatarpranav.1379:

I really hope hammer will be become the meta dps wep in at least rev or engg lol. Wonder how wep choice will correlate to the skills when channelling. As in, will the channelling skills change based on the wep or can certain legends only be channelled by certain weapons… it’ll be interesting to see.

Yeah, would be nice to see Hammer actually make it to the pve scene.
I double you, my friend

Well maybe the Engi hammer might do it for ya

If reverants can channel Ogrim, they’re required to use hammers.

teh persun.6517:

If reverants can channel Ogrim, they’re required to use hammers.

But can’t they summon the skills of spirits regardless of weapon in hand?

Knighthonor.4061:

teh persun.6517:

If reverants can channel Ogrim, they’re required to use hammers.

But can’t they summon the skills of spirits regardless of weapon in hand?

Seriously… It hasn’t even been a year since LA’s destruction and people are forgetting about the best NPC there? May everything you buy be stupidly overpriced

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

Frankly, it looks more like a staff to me. I mean, if we have warrior swinging his greatsword and a mesmer using his to channel his magic, why can’t a staff serve muliple purposes in the game either?

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

it was something like this (real weapon btw)

Brahmincorle.1264:

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

it was something like this (real weapon btw)

How about posting the actual picture of the weapon in Rytlock’s hands or on his back rather than some other pic.

Because clearly the weapon he had did not look like that.

Knighthonor.4061:

Brahmincorle.1264:

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

it was something like this (real weapon btw)

How about posting the actual picture of the weapon in Rytlock’s hands or on his back rather than some other pic.

Because clearly the weapon he had did not look like that.

Or you could stop being a kitten and pause the trailer when he’s using it.

Copestetic.5174:

Knighthonor.4061:

Brahmincorle.1264:

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

it was something like this (real weapon btw)

How about posting the actual picture of the weapon in Rytlock’s hands or on his back rather than some other pic.

Because clearly the weapon he had did not look like that.

Or you could stop being a kitten and pause the trailer when he’s using it.

Would if I was able to watch the video right now and take screen shots… But can’t. So how about backing up your argument that its a hammer with actual screen shots of his weapon and not something else that he not even using…

A quick google image search, voila.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/179531/Rytlock.JPG

Donari.5237:

A quick google image search, voila.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/179531/Rytlock.JPG

Again that looks nothing like a hammer.

And it has a blade on the end of it like a Spear. Why would the developers display a Staff that looks like a Spear, and using it for Melee swings, when we know, most Staff skins do not look anything like spears. That’s the fishy part in all of this.

Brahmincorle didn’t say it was a hammer, he said it was something like the weapon whose image he circled.

Knighthonor.4061:

Copestetic.5174:

Knighthonor.4061:

Brahmincorle.1264:

draxynnic.3719:

Personally, I think the “polearm” used by Rytlock in the trailer is a new hammer skin. If you look closely, there’s a head like that of a mace or morning star on it – it might be an example of ArenaNet putting in some realistic two-handed blunt weapon skins as alternatives to those massive hunks of metal the size of the wielder’s head which if you do the maths probably weigh close to if not over a hundred kilos.

it was something like this (real weapon btw)

How about posting the actual picture of the weapon in Rytlock’s hands or on his back rather than some other pic.

Because clearly the weapon he had did not look like that.

Or you could stop being a kitten and pause the trailer when he’s using it.

Would if I was able to watch the video right now and take screen shots… But can’t. So how about backing up your argument that its a hammer with actual screen shots of his weapon and not something else that he not even using…

Not my argument; please don’t assume. Google is your friend. It took me about 15 seconds to find a clear picture of the weapon in-use on the first row of pictures.

Bah, the youtube version. Cropped screenshot from the super-high-def version attached (better angle too, I think).

The shape of the head is consistent with a historical two-handed morning star – which makes it a hammer in GW2 parlance, since in GW2 one-handed blunt weapons are “maces” even if they’re actually hammers, and vice versa. Historical two-handed hammers and maces had much smaller heads than basically anything currently in game – if you do the maths (steel has a density of about eight grams per cubic centimetre) some of the hammers in game would be unwieldable in real life due to the weight.

It has a spike, on both ends as it turns out. This was common practice for historical maces – put a spike on the top, and sometimes on the bottom, so that stabbing is an option. Stabbing with the top spike isn’t how those weapons are intended to be primarily wielded, but medieval Europeans were big on adding versatility to their weapons. It’s also too short, I think, to be a staff.

Ultimately, the kicker is that it’s being wielded as a hammer. Spikes or not, it’s being swung like a heavy bludgeoning instrument, not thrusted like a spear. And while you COULD swing a staff like that, a fighting style like that is more suited to something bigger and heavier – if they were to make a fighting staff I’d imagine they’d give it animations suitable to staff-fighting, and they wouldn’t put it in a showcase if they hadn’t implemented them and were using hammer animations as a stopgap measure.

draxynnic.3719:

Bah, the youtube version. Cropped screenshot from the super-high-def version attached (better angle too, I think).

The shape of the head is consistent with a historical two-handed morning star – which makes it a hammer in GW2 parlance, since in GW2 one-handed blunt weapons are “maces” even if they’re actually hammers, and vice versa. Historical two-handed hammers and maces had much smaller heads than basically anything currently in game – if you do the maths (steel has a density of about eight grams per cubic centimetre) some of the hammers in game would be unwieldable in real life due to the weight.

It has a spike, on both ends as it turns out. This was common practice for historical maces – put a spike on the top, and sometimes on the bottom, so that stabbing is an option. Stabbing with the top spike isn’t how those weapons are intended to be primarily wielded, but medieval Europeans were big on adding versatility to their weapons. It’s also too short, I think, to be a staff.

Ultimately, the kicker is that it’s being wielded as a hammer. Spikes or not, it’s being swung like a heavy bludgeoning instrument, not thrusted like a spear. And while you COULD swing a staff like that, a fighting style like that is more suited to something bigger and heavier – if they were to make a fighting staff I’d imagine they’d give it animations suitable to staff-fighting, and they wouldn’t put it in a showcase if they hadn’t implemented them and were using hammer animations as a stopgap measure.

Wielding it like a hammer? So that’s the hammer animation for Charr? That’s what you are saying it looks like…

Now what does Melee staff animation for char look like?

Very interesting discussion guys! I personally never thought of the wep in the trailer as a hammer but the way he swings it is curious…

I would be very disappointed if hammer was not an option on rev. A heavy class should be able to use hammer.

The other spear attacks used are nothing like a hammer style, there is a forward thrust that is nowhere on the hammer or staff animations.

teh persun.6517:

Knighthonor.4061:

teh persun.6517:

If reverants can channel Ogrim, they’re required to use hammers.

But can’t they summon the skills of spirits regardless of weapon in hand?

Seriously… It hasn’t even been a year since LA’s destruction and people are forgetting about the best NPC there? May everything you buy be stupidly overpriced

Channel Scarlett? -_-

Knighthonor.4061:

Wielding it like a hammer? So that’s the hammer animation for Charr? That’s what you are saying it looks like…

Now that you mention it, actually… YES.

I wasn’t thinking in those terms, just in terms of being swung like a two-handed weapon with a single business end, but I have a charr warrior who, coincidentally, I was using with a hammer yesterday. I haven’t done a side-by-side analysis, but there is certainly an upward stroke among the charr hammer animation set (hammer #2) as well as an overhead downwards blow.

How would a charr use a combat staff? I would imagine that a combat staff would typically be used as combat staffs are used in martial arts genuinely, with a central grip and both ends being used as potential striking surfaces. While a staff COULD be used with a two-handed grip at one end to strike with additional reach and power, if you’re only going to use it like that you might as well put a weighted striking surface on that end and make it a hammer (in GW2 terms). Certainly, I’d be pretty disappointed if they introduce a “combat staff” and give it animations that are difficult to distinguish from a hammer – do it properly or not at all, particularly since existence of a combat staff on a profession disbars that profession from using the staff as a ranged magical focus (unless they are treated as different weapon classes entirely).