Guild Wars 2

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

I agree.

I understand it’s an mmo and things like this sometimes rightly so are long-term goals. But on the other hand GW2 was never ever marketed to be this way. The grind for these things is abhorrent at the moment, and when you add the unreliability of the client (crashes are still common in Dragon’s Stand), and the rush rush rush mechanic that the developers have put in place with everything being on a timer, even after you’ve slain the Mouth of Mordremoth… It just seems all a little childish.

The game is to be enjoyed, not rushed through. We’re on timers and deadlines with work all day, the last thing we need is a whole new set shoved in our faces whilst we’re enjoying our relaxation. I think development might be loosing sight of what GW2 is: a computer game.

It honestly feels like the developers may have designed great content to start with, then put all these extra hoops in place for us to continually jump through before being able to actually achieve anything.

Complete the entire meta event, open all the pods, and get lucky with the ore you find within and you still can’t even buy one significant reward from the merchant. In-fact you don’t even have time to buy the reward, as the map closes and kicks everyone out. That is an effort/reward system that misses the mark entirely.

So yesterday I logged onto my engineer, which I hadn’t played in weeks.
Decided to rework his gear and skills to make some new builds. As I was going through the wiki looking at all the new sigils and runes, and seeing their TP cost or mat requirements, it was watching my hopes shatter like glass.

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

so everything must be easy and less time consuming? I wanted the whole set of auric weapons, instead of farming AB meta events, I use one of my extra character slot, created few 80’s to run the HOT story to chapter 8 to get the ones I’m missing.

Sorry, zero sympathy for this type of whining.

rchu.8945:

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

so everything must be easy and less time consuming? I wanted the whole set of auric weapons, instead of farming AB meta events, I use one of my extra character slot, created few 80’s to run the HOT story to chapter 8 to get the ones I’m missing.

Sorry, zero sympathy for this type of whining.

In the most enjoyable MMO I ever played (and I played it for 2.5 years and would still be playing it if they had not completely rewritten it), you could get full template in 1 day and best-of-server gear in a week. “takes ages to get” does not necessarily equate to more fun/better gameplay.

rchu.8945:

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

… I use one of my extra character slot, created few 80’s to run the HOT story to chapter 8 to get the ones I’m missing.

I don’t know if you are aware, but that does not sound normal at all. :O

Dragon stand is designed to be the “hardest of hard” content.

But long timed chain events is harming players with connectivy issues. deep down what worries players is to spend one hour doing certain activity in vain.

I do Dragon Stand once daily, I am about 100 short of the 600 I need. Never felt grindy, or repetitive, just fun

If you think these are expensive, wait until you try making some of the new food.

Look up the recipe to Jerk poultry. Cost me over 110 gold to craft 8. EIGHT.

This whole expac is a gold/time sink.

That being said, still provides a good deal of fun.

I agree that the price is too restrictive for these runes.

However, I hope they look at how restrictive a set of condition gear is as well (viper’s armor with sinister trinkets).

I don’t really think the price is too bad but we should be able to craft those runes as well. Having multiple options is always good imo.

rchu.8945:

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

so everything must be easy and less time consuming? I wanted the whole set of auric weapons, instead of farming AB meta events, I use one of my extra character slot, created few 80’s to run the HOT story to chapter 8 to get the ones I’m missing.

Sorry, zero sympathy for this type of whining.

There’s a huge difference between grinding long term, goal oriented gear and non-essential collections and cosmetic items…. and insane grind for upgrade components that have basically zero portability once used.

No one get to complain about legendary gear (or ascended gear for that matter) or collection skins being too grindy because they’re meant to be long term goals. But we’re talking about a rune set… one that you will never get back once you use it on ascended gear unless you drop a fortune on extractors from the gemstore.

I’m the first person to tell people to kitten and stop complaining about things being grindy, but they’re right about these runes. And I don’t even want or need them.

I agree. If it was 600 Crystalline Ores for the recipe to make the runes, it would be more understandable, even though that still seems a bit pricey. Having to gather and spend 600 crystalline ore per character/armor set that you want the runes on is even worse. The new legendary weapons only require 250 crystalline ores, which is less than half as much as a single rune set costs.

I usually need to buy around 25 machetes per Dragons Stand run (I would need more but you get some from doing the events too). Each run through nets around 40 crystalline ores. That means you need to complete around 15 runs to get the rune set, which means you need to buy 375 machetes. 375 machetes costs 1875 of each of the new map currencies. That means you could either buy 7.5 Runes of Surging, 7.5 Runes of Thorns, and 12 Runes of Durbility (I don’t know why the other new rune sets cost more than this one does, but they seem a little expensive too). Or you could just buy 6 Runes of Leadership. You also have to spend a lot of extra time gathering the crystalline ores with the machetes you buy if you choose the 6 Runes of Leadership.

rchu.8945:

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

so everything must be easy and less time consuming? I wanted the whole set of auric weapons, instead of farming AB meta events, I use one of my extra character slot, created few 80’s to run the HOT story to chapter 8 to get the ones I’m missing.

Sorry, zero sympathy for this type of whining.

I’d run the whole H0T story again but the endless unskippable conversations make it drag on forever- what do you do whilst you are waiting for the endless talking to stop?

Oh and using tomes to instant 80 would offend some people who insist you should Play. The. Character.

Tentonhammr.7849:

But we’re talking about a rune set… one that you will never get back once you use it on ascended gear unless you drop a fortune on extractors from the gemstore.

And right here, you have your answer as to “why?”

Extractors are not selling? Make the new runes so expensive that extractors become affordable in comparison.

SuinegTsol.1729:

Hi,

I’m doing ds events for some time now to get this rune. By now I’m at about 150 crystalline ores.
Aint 600 ores a very very very little bit to much for sth like a runeset? If it’s a recipe ok, but for runes…
Apart from “farming” the hot-story, where you get 40 in the end, the only way by now is to open pods at dragons stand map. Apart from ~6, they only spawn after map event is completed. This means you need to wait up to one hour to get on a map doing events/ got enought time to start new map, then need about one to 1.5 hours to hopefully finish (seen so many fails last days) it. Now you got a 15min race to find and open all pods. Without a ton of luck this leads to 40 to 50 ores.
So all in all you need to do 15 times the story with different characters, or do 13 times success on ds meta event (without dc!!!). For ds thats best case two days without break dc or fail doing this event. Just for runes…
If they just were buyable, but….

40-50 ores a run considered not a ton of luck? I usually walk out of a run with less than 20 ores. I only get 1 per pod almost always.

It would take me about 7 cleared maps per rune to get these runes. So I gave up on getting them for my mesmer which was the original intent.

40-50 a map not lucky.. man.. You’d be thinking you were outright cursed if you were getting under 20 a map I guess.

Tarn.1374:

I agree.

I understand it’s an mmo and things like this sometimes rightly so are long-term goals. But on the other hand GW2 was never ever marketed to be this way. The grind for these things is abhorrent at the moment, and when you add the unreliability of the client (crashes are still common in Dragon’s Stand), and the rush rush rush mechanic that the developers have put in place with everything being on a timer, even after you’ve slain the Mouth of Mordremoth… It just seems all a little childish.

The game is to be enjoyed, not rushed through. We’re on timers and deadlines with work all day, the last thing we need is a whole new set shoved in our faces whilst we’re enjoying our relaxation. I think development might be loosing sight of what GW2 is: a computer game.

It honestly feels like the developers may have designed great content to start with, then put all these extra hoops in place for us to continually jump through before being able to actually achieve anything.

Complete the entire meta event, open all the pods, and get lucky with the ore you find within and you still can’t even buy one significant reward from the merchant. In-fact you don’t even have time to buy the reward, as the map closes and kicks everyone out. That is an effort/reward system that misses the mark entirely.

Yeah the overall map design for rewards is appalling. That you buy a plated part, unlock the collection, and have to COME BACK AND DO THE MAP AGAIN to get your machined part for that collection just screams that some dev absolutely hates the playerbase and wants to screw with them as much as possible. It’d be nice to have the vendors available at the start of the map rather than only at the end, so that you could basically get your reward for running the map (and no random greens or whatever don’t really count) in one run rather than requiring bare minimum 2 runs to get anything, and that’s if you even get enough ore in that 1 run to buy something.

Combine that with the Lord of the Flies esque deconstruction of “the friendliest MMO community” that is the loot phase, with it’s champion mobs singling out hapless individuals to one shot and nobody will bother ressing or helping them, that either indicates that the designer had intentions that we’d kill those champ mobs together as groups but has a severely lacking understanding in human behavior when you have a loot rush with a time limit.., or said designer is intentionally sadistic and wanted to see players hate each others guts and be as selfish as possible “just this once” or just plain hates the playerbase.

I’m dying to know which is the case honestly.

Broom.2561:

“takes ages to get” does not necessarily equate to more fun/better gameplay.

In fact, that type of gameplay defeats itself, because by the time you have the stats you want, you’re sick of the game and don’t want to play anymore.

No i don’t find the 600 ores excessive that’s about 15-18 DS map clears, in return you get the runes to use in any part of the game so…..

Devildoc.6721:

40-50 ores a run considered not a ton of luck? I usually walk out of a run with less than 20 ores. I only get 1 per pod almost always.

It would take me about 7 cleared maps per rune to get these runes. So I gave up on getting them for my mesmer which was the original intent.

40-50 a map not lucky.. man.. You’d be thinking you were outright cursed if you were getting under 20 a map I guess.

after dragon down there are one new area per lane opened, which contains like 30/40 pods at all, so considured you’re that lucky gou you could find like 500 ore’s within a map^^ but random….

JVJD.4912:

No i don’t find the 600 ores excessive that’s about 15-18 DS map clears, in return you get the runes to use in any part of the game so…..

Yeah, you can use the runes on one armor set for one character in PvE and WvW. If you want the runes on another armor set with different stats or on another character, you will have to complete another 15-18 DS maps each. If you could buy the recipe for the runes for 600 ores, it wouldn’t be quite as bad.

SuinegTsol.1729:

after dragon down there are one new area per lane opened, which contains like 30/40 pods at all, so considured you’re that lucky gou you could find like 500 ore’s within a map^^ but random….

The largest amount of pods I’ve been able to open per map completion is about 30-40. I would guess that there is about 50-60 pods on the entire map, so I’m not sure how anyone could get 500 ores per map, even if each pod luckily gave 3 ores (each pod gives around 1 crystalline ore on average though).

Even if you could get 600 crystalline ores for 6 Runes of Leadership in one map run through, the opportunity cost is huge. As stated in my previous post, you could buy 27 of the other new runes in total (7.5 Runes of Thorns, 7.5 Runes of Surging, AND 12 Runes of Durability) instead of all of the machetes that you need to gather 600 crystalline ores for just 6 Runes of Leadership. You don’t have to spend any time completing DS or opening noxious pods for the 27 other new runes either, you just have to gather the map currencies.

I can’t believe people are arguing this is a reasonable grind. You’re talking a two hour meta gathering 40 ores if you’re lucky. For a full set of 7 that’s about 18 runs.

You think 36 hours of a timed event that isn’t always available is ok for one rune set that isn’t realisticaly recoverable?

That’s literally worse than Korean mmo gear grinds.

This set is a perfect example of what’s wrong with HOT and the gold/time sinks that are plaguing the game.

Alone.1784:

I can’t believe people are arguing this is a reasonable grind. You’re talking a two hour meta gathering 40 ores if you’re lucky. For a full set of 7 that’s about 18 runs.

You think 36 hours of a timed event that isn’t always available is ok for one rune set that isn’t realisticaly recoverable?

That’s literally worse than Korean mmo gear grinds.

This set is a perfect example of what’s wrong with HOT and the gold/time sinks that are plaguing the game.

Spot on.

I did dragon stand for 7 days and found my own route for getting crystalline ore. I open about 30 pods per each run. In 7 days, I managed to get 6 runes of leadership. It was a lot of work but I felt really good after earning the runes. It was easier to get than the precursor collection or making ascended armor, imo. It was tough and challenging but DragonStand is suppose to be the hardest map of HoT, so I’m fine with that.

reapex.8546:

I did dragon stand for 7 days and found my own route for getting crystalline ore. I open about 30 pods per each run. In 7 days, I managed to get 6 runes of leadership. It was a lot of work but I felt really good after earning the runes. It was easier to get than the precursor collection or making ascended armor, imo. It was tough and challenging but DragonStand is suppose to be the hardest map of HoT, so I’m fine with that.

So you did around 20 runs of Dragonstand which is about 40 hours for 6 runes. The previous most expensive runes are 10g a piece with some as cheap as vendor cost which would be at worst 6 hours of farming SW which is less then 1/6th of the time you took to get 6 runes.

This isn’t a precursor, legendary journey, or even ascended equipment. You can farm the gold to craft an ascended weapon in about 10 hours which is a quarter of the time you took to get 6 runes.

The most challenging part of Dragonstand is taxing onto a map that is actually going to do it. It’s a 2 hour zerg where you have to hope the other 90 people aren’t idiots and can follow simple instructions.

Alone.1784:

reapex.8546:

I did dragon stand for 7 days and found my own route for getting crystalline ore. I open about 30 pods per each run. In 7 days, I managed to get 6 runes of leadership. It was a lot of work but I felt really good after earning the runes. It was easier to get than the precursor collection or making ascended armor, imo. It was tough and challenging but DragonStand is suppose to be the hardest map of HoT, so I’m fine with that.

The most challenging part of Dragonstand is taxing onto a map that is actually going to do it. It’s a 2 hour zerg where you have to hope the other 90 people aren’t idiots and can follow simple instructions.

Look at lfg about 5 mins before DS starts. Looks for Org DS Taxi. Join the map, if no commanders tag up with your mentor tag. If you don’t have a mentor tag, go earn one. Ask if there are new people then lead the random players. Lead, not yell at or insult them but lead by example. It takes time but it’s not as grueling as it initially seems, if you’re involved with the map success.