Guild Wars 2

Now that I just made a 400 scribe, feel kind of cheated that it’s going to be made easier for people to reach. I agree that the resources levels are too high, but how about the people the worked hard to achieve this level?
Wouldn’t it be nice to get a compensation of gems for every level you made? I probably went through 10k worth of gems, in resources and gold, just going from 300 – 400. Guess it won’t be so special to be a 400 scribe anymore. Disappointed.

Wait, I’m sitting at 392, what did I miss?

I don’t care so much about the lost gold from levelling if it means that decorations and other recipes are made more affordable

And this is why Anet is hesitant to change anything once it goes live even if its clearly out of line and ridiculous. Because there’s always going to be that handful of people who put up with the obscene costs and are going to complain that other people have it easier, want compensation for the fact that they spent those higher amounts, are going to be mad they aren’t special any more, ect.

I waited, because I just knew the prices would drop. They were nuts. MMOs evolve and change all the time. Even something like dungeon master was easier once ascended came out and Fractal stuff is easier now. That’s the way of MMOs. You do stuff first, you spend the premium. You wait around and most of the time, stuff gets easier.

i think only reducing decoration cost

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Wait, I’m sitting at 392, what did I miss?

I don’t care so much about the lost gold from levelling if it means that decorations and other recipes are made more affordable

Scribing costs were too high so they are working to reduce them. This likely means decorations will be cheaper too.

jemort.2083:

Now that I just made a 400 scribe, feel kind of cheated that it’s going to be made easier for people to reach. I agree that the resources levels are too high, but how about the people the worked hard to achieve this level?
Wouldn’t it be nice to get a compensation of gems for every level you made? I probably went through 10k worth of gems, in resources and gold, just going from 300 – 400. Guess it won’t be so special to be a 400 scribe anymore. Disappointed.

I fell your man, i feel cheated too i spent like 4k personal gold and more sent from guild and i feel cheated too!!! I can’t belive they tought this prices would be good at launch and now they just want to change it, seems they don’t care at all about those ppl who invested their time and a lot of gold on scribing……i think that a compensations in gems for all that we spent would be fair and ok, after all ppl said the prices were too high since release and no1 said that they would think about changing it so I think they should reward the players dedicated to scribing so far

jemort.2083:

Now that I just made a 400 scribe, feel kind of cheated that it’s going to be made easier for people to reach. I agree that the resources levels are too high, but how about the people the worked hard to achieve this level?
Wouldn’t it be nice to get a compensation of gems for every level you made? I probably went through 10k worth of gems, in resources and gold, just going from 300 – 400. Guess it won’t be so special to be a 400 scribe anymore. Disappointed.

Agreed. As soon as you (and everyone else that wants it) will compensate Anet on everything that was cheaper when you bought it than it is now (and any time this will happen in the future). Fair is fair, after all.

And more seriously – you knew that rushing scribe now would result in much greater cost, due to increased demand for crafting mats (and still relatively low supply). A year from now the prices would have gone down anyway.
You knew, that Anet likes to introduce economy balancing that changes the prices of materials on TP both up and down, which may result in scribing becoming much cheaper sometimes in the future. Why them addressing the matter directly is suddenly treated any different?

What, don’t tell me that if anet decided that scribing is too cheap and increased requirements across the board, you’d have volunteered to pay up the difference.

With Dulfy’s guide it is very cheap to level scribe. Does not need a change anymore in my opinion. Now it become even less profitable to craft stuff like Superior Sigil of Concentration, if everyone can do it.

I hope Anet will add a title like “Master Scribe” for people who got 400 before patch.

You say “very cheap”. I say “it costs more gold than i currently have”.

Astralporing.1957:

jemort.2083:

Now that I just made a 400 scribe, feel kind of cheated that it’s going to be made easier for people to reach. I agree that the resources levels are too high, but how about the people the worked hard to achieve this level?
Wouldn’t it be nice to get a compensation of gems for every level you made? I probably went through 10k worth of gems, in resources and gold, just going from 300 – 400. Guess it won’t be so special to be a 400 scribe anymore. Disappointed.

Agreed. As soon as you (and everyone else that wants it) will compensate Anet on everything that was cheaper when you bought it than it is now (and any time this will happen in the future). Fair is fair, after all.

And more seriously – you knew that rushing scribe now would result in much greater cost, due to increased demand for crafting mats (and still relatively low supply). A year from now the prices would have gone down anyway.
You knew, that Anet likes to introduce economy balancing that changes the prices of materials on TP both up and down, which may result in scribing becoming much cheaper sometimes in the future. Why them addressing the matter directly is suddenly treated any different?

What, don’t tell me that if anet decided that scribing is too cheap and increased requirements across the board, you’d have volunteered to pay up the difference.

Agreed and you’re correct. Just basically kicking myself for getting excited and rushing through… Should have learned by now.

Astralporing.1957:

You say “very cheap”. I say “it costs more gold than i currently have”.

I say it will always cost more than someone currently has unless they make it completly free.
If levelling crafting is cheap, it will never be profitable to craft anything without time gates.
Initially I also thought scribing was too expensive (~5000g), but Dulfy’s guide proved me wrong.

I don’t know what world you live in where 600+ gold is “cheap”, but I wish I lived there too.

I leveled up my scribing as my guild needed me to, since the two are inextricably linked together. It was expensive, and I was already at 350 when Dulfy’s guide came out, but I spent nothing like thousands of gold on scribing. Definitely less than a thousand, but I had the full support of my guild.

I’d like to see how they could reduce the cost of some of the items you can craft at 400, for example the Mechanical Orchestra which is, in essence, a Legendary item for your guild hall.

The resonating slivers required for the Grandmaster Finishing Kit is insane – 81 slivers before you even start making the item?? Very tough for a small guild to get that many, so off to the Black Lion to buy them… sigh… 48 gold later you can start crafting.

I would love to see the cost of “basic items” purchased from the NPC reduced significantly – maybe down to 10s each instead of 50s each? That would be a step in the right direction.

Malediktus.9250:

I hope Anet will add a title like “Master Scribe” for people who got 400 before patch.

I quite like this idea, and hope they implement it somehow. I earned that title!

Hyper Cutter.9376:

I don’t know what world you live in where 600+ gold is “cheap”, but I wish I lived there too.

It is cheap for maximising a crafting profession, the other professions are too cheap. One of the reason why they got upped to lvl 500 I think.

Again, if you think that a gold amount majority of the players are never going to have is cheap, you are obviously living in a different world.

Astralporing.1957:

Again, if you think that a gold amount majority of the players are never going to have is cheap, you are obviously living in a different world.

Why should it be for everyone? And yes 600g is manageable by everyone if they set scribing 400 as their goal. It is only a fraction a legendary and even casuals seem to have multiple of legendaries nowadays.
If it would be meant for everyone they could remove crafting levels and make everyone able to craft everything. If everyone can max it with no efforts there will be no ways to profit from the craft unless there are time gates.

Malediktus.9250:

Why should it be for everyone? And yes 600g is manageable by everyone if they set scribing 400 as their goal. It is only a fraction a legendary and even casuals seem to have multiple of legendaries nowadays.

And there is the reason you do not seem to understand: scribing and guild decorations should not bee seen from a pure monetary point of view.

Scribing and decorations (+ guild upgrades) are an enhancement to the guild experience, to work for a common goal and to grant a feeling of progression and shared fun and accomplishment for both the scribe and the supporting guild.

Just to illustrate:
Lets compare a Basic Writ of Strength is comparable to a Tray of Cherry Tarts in terms of gaining +40 to power.
While the Tray costs 2 silver on the TP the Writ costs 96 silver. OK, you might say, to make the Tray you have to have 200 Cook compared to the zero requirement of Scribe
but at least on Cook you can go from 0-200 by just discovering new food items and you are not made to craft countless book covers and guild banquets to reach lvl 75 of Cook – which you have to do for Scribe.
Levelling cook feels like a natural progression, is fun to discover, you can share the food items with guildies, sell them etc.
The thing your guildies will remember about your progression of guild scribe so far is you begging for flax, sand and brown pigments and to remember to donate the slivers from guild missions to you.

I am really happy that Anet is looking into the matter now and I hope that they will cut the costs, level requirements and formulas to a reasonable amount of things to invest in the profession.

ArenaNet implemented this obscene scribe nonsense so people would get rid of the hoards of gold/mats. Now that some time has passed and the hoards players had are diminished, their original intention has been achieved and they can relax the price gouging. Very simple. Deplete resources, sell gems, relax. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

I think what gw2 should have done is make all armor weapons skins craftible like monster hunter….. also do a more detailed like vgsoh

But personally i think they need to rethink the main ingredients for scribe like lens seed oil… does everything in the guild have to be about that oil. Why dont anet add copper, silver, gold and add lyn seed oil as the new currency?

While I understand your frustration, you may as well feel cheated whenever a game you bought at whatever price it came out at launch becomes cheaper over time. (That could be considered worse, since actual money is involved there too.)

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vonbladewing.5973:

But personally i think they need to rethink the main ingredients for scribe like lens seed oil… does everything in the guild have to be about that oil. Why dont anet add copper, silver, gold and add lyn seed oil as the new currency?

I havent used a single lineseed oil when going from 1 to 400 scribe.

How about “Elder Scribe” title for current 400 scribes. Just a thought.

Personally I have made the 400 level mainly in mind of the crafting of WvW upgrades, not for decorations. I checked my resources before starting and the estimations and decided It’s feasible. Seeing the outrageous costs I was well aware the costs might be balanced to lower in the future – but I still decided to do it. I will not feel bad if the cost will be 1/2 , 1/3 or even 1/5 of what it costed me.

I wouldn’t mind the scribing costs being lowered. After all you level up in order to use the profession. I don’t think the cost of scribe leveling will be drastically reduced. After all the in the “cheap” guide you will craft a lot of WvW upgrades.

Please note that decorations at the current moment still have astronomical costs. And on the way I crafted a few decorations but the results were extremely disappointing.
I don’t mind SOME decorations – like the mechanical orchestra being costly. But for most cases after making the stuff the reaction instead of “Wow cool !” is “wft ? THATS IT ?”. And it goes both for the low level ones and for the 400-level ones.

Trying to make guild decorations – if you have not read the story on this forum
A-Scribe-s-Lament-aka-The-Optimist-Love-Story

So while I personally I will not mind the price nerf. I understand some people – possibly even whole guilds will feel really really cheated. Still the costs for furniture making must be reduced.

Someone mentioned the ANET introduced this in order to encourage mat/gold hoarders to spend them. Personally – I don’t believe so.
Let’s seriously think what is their primary goal as a company. It’s not to make people happy, or to make world peace. It’s to make money .
They are aware that many players will feel the need to push for 400 level scribe achievement. And many will feel enough frustration to spend the real life money – to get gems and to get gold needed for mats. I’m pretty sure the that generated some considerable income.

It’s still far far away from the BS that many of the F2P market of games for android/Iphones are doing. Still people are ready do burn thousands of dollars/euros on these.

At the time of writing, leveling a scribe from 0-400 costs you 750 gold if you order everything you need on the tradingpost, or 930 gold if you just direct buy it, when you follow my guide (on dulfy.net).

The resonating slivers that you need make up 300 gold (order) or 430 gold (direct buy).

Over time this price is already dropping (ok we had an exploid with the resonating slivers that helped to generate a lot of those, lowering their cost) but compared to when the guide was posted (20 days ago), its already 300 gold cheaper to level a scribe now, despite the fact that some prices inflated due to the guide being released. As many players leveling up a scribe contact me to use our upgrades i think i have a pretty good idea of how many players have leveled up their scribes in the past 20 days.

About scribe leveling cost:

About decoration Cost (includes some suggestions):

About the personal items crafted by scribes:

Final words:

So to sum it up, it (already) gets cheaper over time to level a scribe…. and i have no problem with that. I already had the benefit since i became a lv 400 scribe so thats worth something as wel. However i think decoration cost could use a nerf so i listed some ideas on how to achive that (i would feel a kitteneated on the ones that i already got for their current cost, however if new things get cheaper i’m ok with that). If they would nerf scribe leveling cost a lot, an achivement/title/reward could be intoduced that shows your acomplishments, listed some suggestions for that as well.