Guild Wars 2

So now i heard that People got scammed. There are persons who sells those Shovels and scams People. Anet now it’s your Turn. It is disgusting that your Game become more and more a place which kittening up people. Your Guildhall system is bad and really bad for smaller Guilds. Make those kitten items tradeable. It makes no sense to promote scams!

provote .. would that be promote or provoke, I can’t decide.

Kerin.9125:

provote .. would that be promote or provoke, I can’t decide.

He’s angry. Give him a break. Hell, that post is so angry you can taste it.

adds another check mark to her tally of kittened off small guilds

Sry english isn’t my native language.

Leolas.6273:

Sry english isn’t my native language.

I feel you :/ have same issue, about the post, got some screen shots? can report them or at least put them on a spot.. good luck

I heard that too that people got scammed.

Leolas.6273:

So now i heard that People got scammed.

So you heard rumors of scammers? You shouldn’t trust every rumor. If there are proofs send them to anet and they will take actions.

People are getting scammed with shovels? How? lol.

Rebound.3409:

People are getting scammed with shovels? How? lol.

People are probably “selling” them, with the promise that they will temporarily join your guild and donate them if you pay them “x” amount. So people pay for them, then the person laughs and goes about their day without keeping their end of the bargain.

That’s just sad that it came down to this lol.

Shylock.4653:

Leolas.6273:

So now i heard that People got scammed.

So you heard rumors of scammers? You shouldn’t trust every rumor. If there are proofs send them to anet and they will take actions.

Take actions? In what? Ban? Did you think a ban would stop scams?

There is a simple Solution. Make them tradeable (Guildhall Mats). Account Bound is a really bad decision because yeah it promotes Scams and Criminal actions.

Anet requiring account bound items is in no way them promoting players to get scammed. A bit of a reach there.

Some scams are easier to avoid than others. Anyone looking to buy account-bound shovels in the expectation that the seller will dutifully join your guild and donate the shovels after payment is perhaps a bit too trusting.

On a related note, I’ve reported a few people this week for advertising shovels for sale in LFG.

Rule in life #27.

Trust no one online.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Rule in life #27.

Trust no one. Ever.

FTFY

Grebcol.5984:

Take actions? In what? Ban? Did you think a ban would stop scams?

So tell me, how could a person which is banned scam you?
I’m not aware of many scams in this game and even gold selling is rare. Seems like banning works.

What this would lead is to a system that its in place in other moba games to prevent scams and farming which is to block trades (in this case donations) until have at least a week or two of being a member.

People sell guild ownership so I guess we should remove guilds from the game to protect those who might get scammed.

lol people need to play more archeage.. you should have bought it in installments of 5 or 10 if they refused to deposit before being paid

He is not just posting about a rumor. I saw someone advertising shovel selling in LFG this week. Just did not know why they were doing it.

This is exactly the problem with and for smaller guilds. Many can’t do the missions regularly or at all and therefore no favor earned. One aspect of the old influence system that should have been retained is the guild party boost of influence (now favor) for participating in PvE map events as a guild party or group.

Added to this is the requirement for us to use Soulbound or Accountbound items to an unreasonable degree. This leaves smaller guilds in this position of being scammed. We only have two actually active enough to build our hall (omg the hours of farming so far) but we’re lucky enough to have friends in other guilds we can trust so haven’t been scammed yet. Shovels are one item only, add to this list the PvP Progress Reward Orbs along with a few other items (Celestial Imbued shiny soulbound thing of Oricalchum garbage for example), just make it so we use stuff that’s found on the maps, we’re not overly keen on the amount of mats needed but we live with it and struggle on (almost at level 16 with just the two of us) but a method of accruing favor OTHER THAN just doing Guild Missions needs to be implemented especially seeing as the gating doesn’t seem to be working quite as planned and big guilds are still able to grow a lot faster than expected (more power to them I say) but smaller guilds are suffering the wrath of the grind whereas party favor bonuses would help smaller guilds.

I’m not recommending for a second that it be as high an amount as it was for influence but at least earning a small amount of favor through partying up with a couple of guildies in Pve or other maps will assist the smaller guilds immeasurably. Just to qualify the "smaller guild" I’m talking about guilds with 10-50 members (many of which will be inactive currently) leaving perhaps 3-5 members to carry out the hall upgrades, we have 87 members many of whom will return at some point (due to work commitments etc (some are on deployment ergo we won’t kick them)) but for the smaller groups we still need another method of earning favor (maybe even do the Letters thing like we could buy influence before the changes).

Dunno what the solution is but I really hope they come up with a resolution soon or there isn’t any real reason now to party up as guildies (no benefits at all now) which will make recruiting to smaller guilds even harder than it is now.

PS: Any smaller guilds that need an extra hand or two can feel free to message me, if we’re able to help we’re only too happy to do so.

ANet won’t return your gold or shovels, but will ban people for scamming. (Usually not for a first offense.)

However, ANet is powerless to act until people report (and ideally, document) the scam.

• Be wary of anyone offering to sell (or buy) account bound items.
• If you do agree to purchase them, take screenshots of the agreement. Recommended: get them to email you with exactly what they are promising to do, for how much, and when they are supposed to do it.
• Don’t pay all the money up front; don’t give up all of the account bound items up front.
• Take the relevant screenshots of the guild history tab after a successful transaction, in case there are disputes later.
• If the transaction did not complete, contact ANet by creating a support ticket and include the relevant documentation. Be calm, be assertive, and be polite; that turns out to matter as much as the documentation. Don’t expect any refunds.

tl;dr caveat emptor (and report scammers to ANet)

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

ANet won’t return your gold or shovels, but will ban people for scamming. (Usually not for a first offense.)

However, ANet is powerless to act until people report (and ideally, document) the scam.

• Be wary of anyone offering to sell (or buy) account bound items.
• If you do agree to purchase them, take screenshots of the agreement. Recommended: get them to email you with exactly what they are promising to do, for how much, and when they are supposed to do it.
• Don’t pay all the money up front; don’t give up all of the account bound items up front.
• Take the relevant screenshots of the guild history tab after a successful transaction, in case there are disputes later.
• If the transaction did not complete, contact ANet by creating a support ticket and include the relevant documentation. Be calm, be assertive, and be polite; that turns out to matter as much as the documentation. Don’t expect any refunds.

tl;dr caveat emptor (and report scammers to ANet)

Better yet, get them to mail you in game the details of the agreement. Keep that email until such time as they finish their end of the agreement. Or say explicitly that they will donate X item to Y guild for Z gold. That way the guy can’t go “well, that’s not my email.” And you can’t be sure if he emailed you from his GW2 account email or not.

I would love to hear a response from Arenanet about this. I don’t think they are in any way responsible for, or by requiring account bound items, promote scams. However, they did design a paradoxical marketplace and it would be interesting to hear their perspective.

Listen to Illconceived Was Na, buyers and sellers need to protect themselves.

As a side note, the shovels are not that hard to get. Just hop onto the event train in Silverwastes. They run all the time. The shovel drop rate is not huge but you’ll get a few each cycle, along with loads of other loot so it is quite lucrative. Obviously, the more guildies who go the quicker you get the shovels you need.

I have a lot of those shovels from my days in the Silverwastes. I never use them. Maybe I should sell them.

That’s why you don’t buy off LFG.

Farm them yourself and/or use the Trading Post. You want to save time, you accept the consequences.

The very fact that people advertise this makes the transaction questionable, thus one should also question the wisdom of anyone who willingly accepts such a transaction.

If people really are paying 1g per shovel I can see why some players might be tempted to risk selling them.
However, I cannot understand why they use the LFG tool to advertise.

dalendria.3762:

He is not just posting about a rumor. I saw someone advertising shovel selling in LFG this week. Just did not know why they were doing it.

He complains about scamming not selling. Did you saw someone scamming?

Selling services is not against the rules. You can sell dungeons and so on. Scamming is against the rules and get punished.

Using LFG to sell IS against the policies.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Policy-on-the-LFG-Tool/first

kuritsutian.2987:

Using LFG to sell IS against the policies.

The LFG is not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread are scams. The OP didn’t even mentioned LFG.

how would that be only shovel related ??
it would relate to every accoutnbound item (pvp potions, obsidian shards, …)

and everyone knows you dont pay strangers before they did what you want to pay them for…

ermm……. /shrugs
thats the risk when come to trading…not?

Samnang.1879:

That’s why you don’t buy off LFG.

Farm them yourself and/or use the Trading Post. You want to save time, you accept the consequences.

Exactly this ^. When trading items that are not meant to be traded or trying to avoid TP fees, you then accept and take responsibility for any possible consequence. If you don’t want that risk, simply do-not-do-it. If you do it, it was your choice and no one else’s.
So you’re only left with the bad choice you made.

Simply learn from it and don’t repeat.

No one can put it in simpler terms.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rebound.3409:

People are getting scammed with shovels? How? lol.

People are probably “selling” them, with the promise that they will temporarily join your guild and donate them if you pay them “x” amount. So people pay for them, then the person laughs and goes about their day without keeping their end of the bargain.

Let me say, tho , that it’s completely buyer’s fault.
Same as if you want to trade things with another through ingame mail.
YOU KNOW you can get scammed.
The game promotes you to get them by regular play and that should be the way.

If we wanna talk about the required quantities and difficulties for small guilds, well, you might be right.

Gaaroth.2567:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Rebound.3409:

People are getting scammed with shovels? How? lol.

People are probably “selling” them, with the promise that they will temporarily join your guild and donate them if you pay them “x” amount. So people pay for them, then the person laughs and goes about their day without keeping their end of the bargain.

Let me say, tho , that it’s completely buyer’s fault.
Same as if you want to trade things with another through ingame mail.
YOU KNOW you can get scammed.
The game promotes you to get them by regular play and that should be the way.

If we wanna talk about the required quantities and difficulties for small guilds, well, you might be right.

I was avoiding pointing fingers, or trying to. I will agree that there is fault on the side of the buyer. I will agree there is risk involved. However, these ‘sellers’ are just as much at fault, for being kittenty individuals. But, like I said, I was trying not to go there.

As for required quantities…maybe Anet should up the drop rate for shovels a little bit. I can’t say ‘give us a way to purchase them’ because that sort of skews things in favor of chest trains, potentially a bit much. Which would result in yet more loot nerfs. I’ll take a pass on that.

Psientist.6437:

I would love to hear a response from Arenanet about this. I don’t think they are in any way responsible for, or by requiring account bound items, promote scams. However, they did design a paradoxical marketplace and it would be interesting to hear their perspective.

Listen to Illconceived Was Na, buyers and sellers need to protect themselves.

They’ve stated their stance regarding player to player trading several times already. It is allowed but they do not support it.

The point of the thread appears to be the crud that is account bound items.

Anet has 0 responsibility for you making bad decisions. The intended mechanic is for you to farm it yourself for your guild, hence why it is account bound. If you get scammed while trying to circumvent the system thats just #rekt.

Omne.4603:

Anet has 0 responsibility for you making bad decisions. The intended mechanic is for you to farm it yourself for your guild, hence why it is account bound. If you get scammed while trying to circumvent the system thats just #rekt.

It’s not a bad decision to decide to buy a service from someone that you’d rather not do yourself. People are supposed to mow their own lawns or take care of dusting, but plenty of folks hire others to do that for them.

However, given the game has no way of ensuring that people deliver on services (or P2P trades for that matter), everyone doing so should be aware of the risk and take appropriate steps to protect themselves and, as with anyone buying a service, be willing to accept the consequences if the provider doesn’t deliver as advertised.

By the way, if anyone reading is still tempted to buy a donation of account-bound items from non-guildies: don’t buy them all at once and instead buy only a few at a time. That decreases the likelihood of scamming and minimizes the guild’s financial exposure. It’s obviously a lot less convenient for both parties, but then again, I’m sure there are at least a few guilds (or GLs) who have scammed in the opposite direction, too.