So how about a little transparency?
So the biggest thing we need right now is information. What are we getting for 50 dollars. What are the remaining specializations? How about breaking out some info for us to delve into that isn’t just media blurbs designed to raise hype.
I understand that the expansion is still in a beta state but if your willing for us to pay money for something that doesn’t have any concrete release date, how about showering us with information to make a reasonable choice so we can vote with our cash to see if the new thing is worth it?
This^
I could care less about the original game being bundled with HoT purchase. What I care about is the value I would get for my $50. I care about the additional content I would be getting for this purchase price. That is what an “expansion” is all about right?
I find this evasiveness by ANET to be extremely sketchy. I don’t spend my money on sketchy. To launch pre-orders without even fully detailing exactly what will be in the expansion…that’s really shady. The reveals so far are not adding up to a purchase of the same price as the original entire game. They aren’t even offering a single character slot for what amounts to a repurchase of the original game. They are unclear on how many new maps/zones will be included. The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
Despite all of that, I’d still buy a GW2 expansion. My issue, again, is price for what is being offered. I find it ridiculous and hilarious at the same time how all of these white knights are out in full fan boy fervor attacking anyone who points these things out. You would have to be a complete moron or just be so wealthy that you enjoy throwing money at sub par products…to just ignore the value to cost ratio of your purchases. I don’t find myself in either of those categories. I know I definitely throw way too much money away on superfluous things, but I draw the line at willingly allowing myself to be taken for a ride like this. I’m going to have to see some finished product with a reasonable amount/quality/variety of content before I spend new/stand alone game amounts of money on this “expansion”. I was already on the fence about purchasing HoT regarding their extreme propensity for forum balancing, their trend towards trinity mechanics, lack of continued dungeon/instanced content, and focus on open world zerg content exclusively. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in my skepticism concerning this expansion at the moment. They need to step up with some honesty and reveal exactly what this “expansion” is going to include. They need to re-evaluate the importance of existing players…versus only focusing on grabbing new players. Who releases an “expansion” with this little content and does not even include a new character slot?
The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
The trait and leveling changes are coming Tuesday, not with the expansion.
It does strike me as a little strange that they’d open pre-purchasing before reveling what the expansion has in total.
No skin of my back to wait though.
Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
The trait and leveling changes are coming Tuesday, not with the expansion.
It does strike me as a little strange that they’d open pre-purchasing before reveling what the expansion has in total.
No skin of my back to wait though.
Okay, that just means there’s even less content included for the $50.
The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
The trait and leveling changes are coming Tuesday, not with the expansion.
It does strike me as a little strange that they’d open pre-purchasing before reveling what the expansion has in total.
No skin of my back to wait though.
Okay, that just means there’s even less content included for the $50.
Did you expect them to use two different trait systems? Just curious.
Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
The trait and leveling changes are coming Tuesday, not with the expansion.
It does strike me as a little strange that they’d open pre-purchasing before reveling what the expansion has in total.
No skin of my back to wait though.
Okay, that just means there’s even less content included for the $50.
Did you expect them to use two different trait systems? Just curious.
No…really didn’t put much thought into it when I was typing that…more focused on the relevant lack of content.
No…really didn’t put much thought into it when I was typing that…more focused on the relevant lack of content.
What are we getting altogether then?
Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
No…really didn’t put much thought into it when I was typing that…more focused on the relevant lack of content.
What are we getting altogether then?
Really not following your reason for continuing these questions, as you seem to already be aware of what we are getting, but I’ll bite. I’m assuming this is an attempt to be snarky/condescending and test my knowledge, but okay…
We are getting changes to the trait system and leveling system in the upcoming patch like you said. I believe we are getting a pvp/wvw map of some sort also in the patch..I may be wrong about that part as I pretty much ignore that stuff. They are updating the wallet to free up bag space…pretty much a fix.
The expansion will include elite specializations…essentially fill-ins for holes in existing character design. It will also include at least one new pve map. It will include the mastery system…essentially a reputation grind to keep us busy and make the new map more interesting. We are getting one new profession…that they aren’t even giving us a default slot to use…after nearly 3 years of filling our existing character slots up from the first time we purchased the game. That’s about it…undoubtedly I overlooked something though.
Oh yeah…I did forget something…guild halls.
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Big part of the announced content can be played without buy HoT. For example: competitive maps, new core basics and… guild halls? (I don’t see them splitting the guild’s community, it’ll be a debacle). So, it’s fair ask them what is the exclusive content that you are going to receive for your money, at the release or a compromise for the next future.
Now “core” can’t be purchased in the official store, although you can find it in other stores. The feeling is that they merged both in a bundle since now… but they still call it an expansion. I imagine because “all old core player ids” in the database will not have access to the future content but all new buyers yes!
Add the ******* done to the recent core buyers. (They’ll refund if you purchased after April, but with the lose of your actual account.. So, you’ll must start from zero after buy HoT.)
Add the better offer to the new players and you have the kittentail done.
I like that they try to attract new players. The bigger player base will be, the bigger support and future we’ll have. But I think they should do a equitative offer in other way to make happy those veteran players that have been supporting the game for years. At the end the majority of veteran seems that want buy HoT but with a reasonable offer for them too. They should be more transparent in the future.
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I think that they are doing brain-storming right now. My best advice to them is… cease the little reveals and go for the big one. We can do with content drought -in formation-wise- for some months. We can accept to have only lore articles on the site for weeks on end.
Yes, we can accept it if the next two weeks, the whole span of the expansion is revealed : how many zones, how many layers, how many “challenging content”, do we kill Mordremoth at the end of the HoT (we better kill him without having to wait for a LS new season. Otherwise, it is one less incentive to buy the expac, IMHO).
So, what I’m saying is : enough with the content droplet that we’ve been fed the last few weeks. Arena Net, you either go big, or you go extinct for many players.
So, please, go Big.
No…really didn’t put much thought into it when I was typing that…more focused on the relevant lack of content.
What are we getting altogether then?
Really not following your reason for continuing these questions, as you seem to already be aware of what we are getting, but I’ll bite. I’m assuming this is an attempt to be snarky/condescending and test my knowledge, but okay…
We are getting changes to the trait system and leveling system in the upcoming patch like you said. I believe we are getting a pvp/wvw map of some sort also in the patch..I may be wrong about that part as I pretty much ignore that stuff. They are updating the wallet to free up bag space…pretty much a fix.
The expansion will include elite specializations…essentially fill-ins for holes in existing character design. It will also include at least one new pve map. It will include the mastery system…essentially a reputation grind to keep us busy and make the new map more interesting. We are getting one new profession…that they aren’t even giving us a default slot to use…after nearly 3 years of filling our existing character slots up from the first time we purchased the game. That’s about it…undoubtedly I overlooked something though.
Oh yeah…I did forget something…guild halls.
Nono, no snark or condescending.
My point is, as you’ve said yourself, is that we don’t actually know all of the specifics of what’s in the expansion.
In which case, how can you say there’s a lack of content without knowing what’s actually in the expansion?
Also, the wallet change is also coming in the Tuesday patch, whereas the new PvP and WvW maps are coming with the HoT launch, but don’t actually require HoT as far as I know.
Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.
I think this is my main concern with pre-ordering too, at the moment. We’ve only seen a very small amount of what I would typically call an expansion’s worth of content. A fraction of a new map (which just seems like Silverwastes 1.0.1 so far), less than half of the new elite specializations, a new PvP map and screenshots of other bits and pieces. That doesn’t justify a $50+ price tag to me yet. And I really want to buy it too! lol. I love this game, and the first one. I still remember the hype I had for Factions and Nightfall (the same prices as the original IIRC, but were games in themselves)! Please make me want to buy it!
So the biggest thing we need right now is information. What are we getting for 50 dollars. What are the remaining specializations? How about breaking out some info for us to delve into that isn’t just media blurbs designed to raise hype.
I understand that the expansion is still in a beta state but if your willing for us to pay money for something that doesn’t have any concrete release date, how about showering us with information to make a reasonable choice so we can vote with our cash to see if the new thing is worth it?
This^
I could care less about the original game being bundled with HoT purchase. What I care about is the value I would get for my $50. I care about the additional content I would be getting for this purchase price. That is what an “expansion” is all about right?
Right.^
I find this evasiveness by ANET to be extremely sketchy. I don’t spend my money on sketchy. To launch pre-orders without even fully detailing exactly what will be in the expansion…that’s really shady. The reveals so far are not adding up to a purchase of the same price as the original entire game. They aren’t even offering a single character slot for what amounts to a repurchase of the original game. They are unclear on how many new maps/zones will be included. The meat of this “expansion” appears to be a rework of the trait system, legendary system, leveling system, and flawed designs for the original professions…essentially fixes to the original game that they apparently were intentionally withholding to sell to us instead.
The reveals so far seem to reveal that A-net itself seems to be unsure, what will be included in HoT. This does not increase trust in the company or the product.
And the rework of the trait system etc. will be included in the “base game”, so that does not count as value that is included in HoT. So A-Net has also a design and communication problem.
I do not care if we get 20 or 22 new maps but I do care if we got 3 or 30 new maps. Just as an example.
And if we only got maps in “silverwaste-ish” condensed form, will that be really fun? A-Net has shown in the past, that sometimes when they try to improve things, they make it worse (“Verschlimmbesserung”).
Despite all of that, I’d still buy a GW2 expansion.
In the end, I will probably still buy it before the next beta-weekend.^^
I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in my skepticism concerning this expansion at the moment. They need to step up with some honesty and reveal exactly what this “expansion” is going to include. They need to re-evaluate the importance of existing players…versus only focusing on grabbing new players. Who releases an “expansion” with this little content and does not even include a new character slot?
I think it is right to raise this concerns and I think you are not the only one that has this concerns.