Happiness is finding an Omnomberry in your Grumble Cake
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
The debate might still be going on in the wvw forums. The proofs (earned in wvw) were account bound, then jist the chests allowing you to open them on alts, then everything was soulbound. The correction was made a few months back. Apperently the account bound proofs were a mistake and led to a massive amount posts about how wvwers could get elite on alts without even playing them, where as the correction made playing wvw just like playing pve. If you wanted to gain elite on an alt, you had to play that alt.
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People who argue this is just fine are simply arguing the inconsistency is just fine as long as it fits their agenda.
If it’s fine for HPs to be soulbound, your reason for not arguing MPs should be is … ?
Looked at logically there’s no real difference between a specific character communing with an MP and their communing with an HP so the fact that one Point is soulbound and the other is Account bound is illogical .. of course, I suspect few would argue MPs should be soulbound to bring them in line with their arguments for why HPs should be soulbound.
Oh no, folks won’t argue for something logical when it’s against their interests.
The whole HP/MP thing is simply one huge fudge on Anet’s part, they know thatif MPs were soulbound their end-game would largely be deserted, people wouldn’t stand for having to grind MPs on every character.
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The soulbound proof of heroics seem a little odd.
Actually, I don’t get the problem. I’ve been doing WvW to fill in Hero Challenges in HoT to help with map completion of maps I didn’t want to go back to anymore, and found that to be pretty fast and easy. I easily made 50 Proof of Heroics per hour. Granted, I used every world XP boost I could muster.
To be honest, I really don’t see a problem in making it all account bound. People still go WvW or HOT maps there regardless of the HP or proofs. I don’t think being concerned of dead maps is an issue. Look at Dry Top, look at Silverwastes… dead and not really much way of hero points to be found. Anet are doing nothing about that.
I feel it boils down to content and what is needed at the time for farming and event popularity. It don’t matter a toffee if its one toon or not, its one person sitting behind the screen working away on the maps. The only real difference is going in on a character on a HOT map, with no elite and gimping yourself for the x amount of time, while you fight uplevelled NPCs that really were designed with combat using elite form in mind ( thus the irony).
As for the argument of people levelling elites in wvw faster with account bound proofs, … I really am at a loss behind that argument. If its not a kittening about unlevelled people in WvW, now its all to do with people leveling elites faster? Seriously ?
End of the day, the same work has to be put into it by the same person.
Besides… Anet gave away WvW badges like candy and people did not have to set foot in WVW, just had to wait for achievement chests. No real difference as far as I am concerned.
Happiness is finding an Omnomberry in your Grumble Cake
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
Honestly, they should. They can do better than the current system.
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
Er, I think something just flew over your head.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
Er, I think something just flew over your head.
That is entirely too likely I’m afraid.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
You can get 398 Hero Points from leveling alone and 214 from Hero Challenges in Core Tyria for a total of 612 HPs
Unlocking all skills requires 98 points and all core specs 300, for a total of 398, the exact same you get from leveling, so going to level 80 will give you access to all core skills and traits.
Unlocking an Elite Spec requires 250 Hero Points, which means if you get all challenges in Core Tyria you need 36 HPs from HoT. HoT has 400 HPs which leaves us with 364 extra Hero Points.
So if they release a new Elite Spec in the next expansion and it costs the same as the current one (250) players with full HoT exploration will unlock the new elite spec without playing in the new zone at all. Maybe they will allow this but I think they won’t. So it makes sense the new Elite Spec will cost more than the old one to unlock, which also means the new Hero Challenges will award more Hero Points so they are the “best thing” for points and not HoT challenges.
We’ll see what they come up with.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
You can get 398 Hero Points from leveling alone and 214 from Hero Challenges in Core Tyria for a total of 612 HPs
Unlocking all skills requires 98 points and all core specs 300, for a total of 398, the exact same you get from leveling, so going to level 80 will give you access to all core skills and traits.
Unlocking an Elite Spec requires 250 Hero Points, which means if you get all challenges in Core Tyria you need 36 HPs from HoT. HoT has 400 HPs which leaves us with 364 extra Hero Points.So if they release a new Elite Spec in the next expansion and it costs the same as the current one (250) players with full HoT exploration will unlock the new elite spec without playing in the new zone at all. Maybe they will allow this but I think they won’t. So it makes sense the new Elite Spec will cost more than the old one to unlock, which also means the new Hero Challenges will award more Hero Points so they are the “best thing” for points and not HoT challenges.
We’ll see what they come up with.
Oh, I see. I don’t suppose they’ll give us the new specs without some sort of work involved.
or they could gate the new specs behind new masteries ….
or they could gate the new specs behind new masteries ….
By the six. Let’s not give them any ideas, huh? lol
Anyone remember using those extra hero points to buy stuff like elonian wine? Was research done on this to gauge if those HPS were somehow refunded? If they weren’t, you could very well have people with toons that have full world completion and next to no leftover hero points.
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People who argue this is just fine are simply arguing the inconsistency is just fine as long as it fits their agenda.
If it’s fine for HPs to be soulbound, your reason for not arguing MPs should be is … ?
Looked at logically there’s no real difference between a specific character communing with an MP and their communing with an HP so the fact that one Point is soulbound and the other is Account bound is illogical .. of course, I suspect few would argue MPs should be soulbound to bring them in line with their arguments for why HPs should be soulbound.
Oh no, folks won’t argue for something logical when it’s against their interests.
The whole HP/MP thing is simply one huge fudge on Anet’s part, they know thatif MPs were soulbound their end-game would largely be deserted, people wouldn’t stand for having to grind MPs on every character.
Nothing inconsistent about it:
Masteries is an account bound system by design (and many mastery points are based on, account wide, achievements).
Whereas skills and traits are a character based thing (and couldn’t be account bound because they differ per class).
It makes perfect sense to me to have the points related to the account based system as account wide unlocks and the points related to a character based system as character bound.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t prefer the proofs (but not the points themselves) to be account bound, although for me that’s for storage purposes more than usage, but to say that this is inconsistent is utter nonsense (or a pathetic attempt to get people to agree with you by claiming anyone who doesn’t is dumb).
Anyone remember using those extra hero points to buy stuff like elonian wine? Was research done on this to gauge if those HPS were somehow refunded? If they weren’t, you could very well have people with toons that have full world completion and next to no leftover hero points.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spirit_Shard
Skill points and Scrolls of Knowledge were converted into this currency as a part of the June 23, 2015 game update.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
God I hope not. They already can’t balance the existing ones. The last thing they should do is shovel out more of this crap.
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Hero Points being soulbound is OK. That’s how it always was. The items to buy Hero Points in WvW being soulbound is kinda annoying though. But I can understand the reasoning.
It definitely sucks if WvW players have the edge in unlocking specializations over other players although they really deserved it by now for all the kitten they had/have to go through.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
God I hope not. They already can’t balance the existing ones. The last thing they should do is shovel out more of this crap.
There will be more, and it sounds like people will be able to trait for more than one at a time.
Reward Tracks and Elite Specializations
For now, characters will only be able to equip a single elite specialization. Doing so will be as easy as it currently is to swap trait points; simply exit combat and select your new elite specialization, or do it in Heart of the Mists for PvP. We made this system to build upon it, so let the speculation about future specializations begin before we’ve even revealed the first full set!
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
God I hope not. They already can’t balance the existing ones. The last thing they should do is shovel out more of this crap.
There will be more, and it sounds like people will be able to trait for more than one at a time.
Reward Tracks and Elite Specializations
For now, characters will only be able to equip a single elite specialization. Doing so will be as easy as it currently is to swap trait points; simply exit combat and select your new elite specialization, or do it in Heart of the Mists for PvP. We made this system to build upon it, so let the speculation about future specializations begin before we’ve even revealed the first full set!
I think thats just poorly worded, other communication from anet has implied only 1 elite will be able to be specced at a time and with the current elite being locked to the bottom trait position it strongly implies that only 1 will be able to be equipped once they expand the number.
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I still find it odd that ANet stated Masteries were going to be account unlocks because it would be too tedious as character unlocks, yet turned around and made elite specs character unlocks (and the initial cost of unlocking was stupid high).
Not odd at all. I’m not sure where or when they stated it would be tedious to make masteries character unlocks (though I can agree with that sentiment, and it would feel like grinding reputation), but they provide something that’s the same regardless of what character you’re using.
Meanwhile, elite specs are tied to your profession, giving skills and traits that only that profession has. Specializations (trail lines prior) have also never been unlocked on new characters for having done it before, so there’s no change there. If you want to argue the initial cost of unlocking was high, go right ahead – but that’s already been changed, so there’s not much reason to use it in an argument anymore.
Not odd at all. I’m not sure where or when they stated it would be tedious to make masteries character unlocks (though I can agree with that sentiment, and it would feel like grinding reputation), but they provide something that’s the same regardless of what character you’re using.
Meanwhile, elite specs are tied to your profession, giving skills and traits that only that profession has. Specializations (trail lines prior) have also never been unlocked on new characters for having done it before, so there’s no change there. If you want to argue the initial cost of unlocking was high, go right ahead – but that’s already been changed, so there’s not much reason to use it in an argument anymore.
It was in one of the earlier news posts regarding Masteries prior to the release of HoT, in which they clearly stated the reasoning behind making them account unlocks. Edit: actually, it might have been an interview Colin did after the announcement of HoT, when they were discussing how HoT was building frameworks for future expansions. Sorry for not being able to dig up the source, they did spend too long and across too many channels hyping up HoT.
The reason I find this inconsistent is because elite specs should have been unlocked in a similar method. Yes, Dragon Hunter is different from Scrapper, but Scrapper is not different from Scrapper. We should have unlocked the elite spec for a profession across our account, but actual training should have been handled on a per character basis.
So there should have been a Mastery track for each elite spec, first tier unlocks the ability to train in the specialization, second tier to get the armor skin, and third tier to get the exotic weapon; once you’ve completed that Mastery track, every character of that profession should be able to fully train the elite specialization (for a modest increase in training cost, maybe double, not more than ten times the cost).
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I must say that elite specializations effectively killed off any desire to play my alts. I’ve been slowly moving any good gear, toys, consumables or other stuff off of them and have basically just been using them as mules or node farmers since HOT dropped.
For me, it kind of finished the job that ascended gear started (constantly moving gear around between characters is just too annoying to bother with it, plus having to spend charges on any racial armor pieces).
Bit sad since I had a lot of fun putting their wardrobes together.
I must say that elite specializations effectively killed off any desire to play my alts. I’ve been slowly moving any good gear, toys, consumables or other stuff off of them and have basically just been using them as mules or node farmers since HOT dropped.
This. I have several alts at 80 with decent gear which I intended to slowly improve upon and develop my skills with when I take breaks from playing my main. Now, I have no desire to do so, as it would mean having to grind the elites for each of them since the core classes are so painfully weak in comparison, and I only play WvW.
The fact that my main is a Mesmer is just adding more salt into those cuts. Thanks Anet.
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see anet reworking how to unlock future elite spec’s in a way where no extra heropoints are required, but totally forgetting old heropoints exist ;3
The next expansion’s hero challenges will award 30-40 hero points each so the 10-HP challenges of HoT aren’t worth much and you HAVE to do the HPs of the new expansion to unlock the new spec. Then the next expansion will award 60-80 HPs per challenge and so on.
Really? Is that official? That’s nuts lol
You can get 398 Hero Points from leveling alone and 214 from Hero Challenges in Core Tyria for a total of 612 HPs
Unlocking all skills requires 98 points and all core specs 300, for a total of 398, the exact same you get from leveling, so going to level 80 will give you access to all core skills and traits.
Unlocking an Elite Spec requires 250 Hero Points, which means if you get all challenges in Core Tyria you need 36 HPs from HoT. HoT has 400 HPs which leaves us with 364 extra Hero Points.So if they release a new Elite Spec in the next expansion and it costs the same as the current one (250) players with full HoT exploration will unlock the new elite spec without playing in the new zone at all. Maybe they will allow this but I think they won’t. So it makes sense the new Elite Spec will cost more than the old one to unlock, which also means the new Hero Challenges will award more Hero Points so they are the “best thing” for points and not HoT challenges.
We’ll see what they come up with.
That seems like an extremely bad idea because a couple expansions down the line and you’ll end up with challenges giving a 100 points each or maybe even more than that.
Not needing the HP for future elite specs doesn’t really matter as long as there are still reasons to go do the challenges anyway. For example it would still be necessary for map completion. The event based ones also give a daily reward. Nothing incredible but it is still a reason.
They already know(or should know) that making people wait too long to fully unlock is a bad idea.
They have mentioned the possibility of adding elite specs outside of expansions. That would be the simplest but probably most expensive way to eat up these spare points. On the other hand releasing a new set of elite specs is probably a good way to bring some people back into the game anyway.
I must say that elite specializations effectively killed off any desire to play my alts. I’ve been slowly moving any good gear, toys, consumables or other stuff off of them and have basically just been using them as mules or node farmers since HOT dropped.
This. I have several alts at 80 with decent gear which I intended to slowly improve upon and develop my skills with when I take breaks from playing my main. Now, I have no desire to do so, as it would mean having to grind the elites for each of them since the core classes are so painfully weak in comparison, and I only play WvW.
The fact that my main is a Mesmer is just adding more salt into those cuts. Thanks Anet.
For those who want the elite specs on their alts and don’t want to grind them, they should be aware that both NA and EU have commanders regularly lead large numbers of people to 25 HoT skill points across 3 maps. The NA one has been every Wednesday, 3 hours after reset and starts off in Verdant Brink. Get on one of those Hero point trains and you can get the full number needed in a couple of hours.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
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well of course hero points are soulbound
i do think it is incredibly stupid that proof of heroics are tho considering how they are earned, you could do 99% of a wvw rank on your main and then just switch to an alt and take a flag for the last 1%. its really more of an inconvenience than anything else
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Would be better to make use of them now than in 1-2 years.
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They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Would be better to make use of them now than in 1-2 years.
You go ahead and use them up now if they add a way to do so, if you want. I’ll hold on to mine and when they put in more elite specs I’ll use them then, and afterwards I won’t be on the forum posting about what a grind it is to get X number of Hero points on all my alts as they’ll be mostly done by playing on the previous expansion.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Would be better to make use of them now than in 1-2 years.
You go ahead and use them up now if they add a way to do so, if you want. I’ll hold on to mine and when they put in more elite specs I’ll use them then, and afterwards I won’t be on the forum posting about what a grind it is to get X number of Hero points on all my alts as they’ll be mostly done by playing on the previous expansion.
Currently they take up space on multiple characters I have maxed Elite Specs for.
If they were usable on all characters I’d have my main+all classes maxed with tons of them still left over from WvW on multiple characters that I can just stack together and stow somewhere. When the next new specs comes I can use them all to partially or fully max the new spec on my main character and have much more choice of what new spec I want to max in general.
Since they’re Soulbound I’ll instead continue to pile them up on my main character the most and when the new elite spec comes I’ll still be able to max my main and probably still have tons left over that I can’t apply to my other alt’s stacks.
Either way if you play WvW a lot then you’re going to max your main’s next elite spec extremely easily with the tokens. Having them waste inventory space on multiple characters between updates is the least beneficial design for both short and long-term goals.
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Proofs should be a wallet currency, Anet please stop being weird about it.
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Would be better to make use of them now than in 1-2 years.
You go ahead and use them up now if they add a way to do so, if you want. I’ll hold on to mine and when they put in more elite specs I’ll use them then, and afterwards I won’t be on the forum posting about what a grind it is to get X number of Hero points on all my alts as they’ll be mostly done by playing on the previous expansion.
Currently they take up space on multiple characters I have maxed Elite Specs for.
I may be misunderstanding something… but how do they take up space? We’re talking about hero points, right? The little number that appears on the skill tab in the hero panel? I’m just confused what space they consume?
They said there will be more elite professions later. You’ll need those Hero Points then.
Would be better to make use of them now than in 1-2 years.
You go ahead and use them up now if they add a way to do so, if you want. I’ll hold on to mine and when they put in more elite specs I’ll use them then, and afterwards I won’t be on the forum posting about what a grind it is to get X number of Hero points on all my alts as they’ll be mostly done by playing on the previous expansion.
Currently they take up space on multiple characters I have maxed Elite Specs for.
I may be misunderstanding something… but how do they take up space? We’re talking about hero points, right? The little number that appears on the skill tab in the hero panel? I’m just confused what space they consume?
He’s talking about the proofs which you get from leveling in WvW which can be trade for hero points.
The same person will trade superior siege blueprints for them, so it’s not like they become useless. Those can sell on the trading post too.
That seems like an extremely bad idea because a couple expansions down the line and you’ll end up with challenges giving a 100 points each or maybe even more than that.
Yep that’s how I suspect it will go. Maybe for once they made a good long-term plan and it won’t happen but from the info we have so far (core tyria HPs worth 1 point, HoT HPs worth 10 points) that’s my conclusion for now.