Guild Wars 2

This is a ludicrous change. For Warriors to get 50% uptime of retaliation with no boon duration as a minor trait, it’s just madness. It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP. This needs to be swapped with Cull the Weak or Armoured Attack at very least.

Strip, steal, corrupt, or time your high number-of-hits attacks to go into the 50% down time.

I get it its a scary trait. I think it’s manageable as written, but there is one thing I would like to see – the base up time reduced slightly so that when people stack boon duration all over this (and they will) it caps out around 50% instead of starting there.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

This is a ludicrous change. For Warriors to get 50% uptime of retaliation with no boon duration as a minor trait, it’s just madness. It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP. This needs to be swapped with Cull the Weak or Armoured Attack at very least.

minor major or gm really doesnt matter any more. since each line is all or nothingin that .

is there something in the same line that you shouldnt be able to get at the same time as it?
are the other possibilities in that slot competitive?

thats really all that matters in the new system

phys.7689:

minor major or gm really doesnt matter any more. since each line is all or nothingin that .

is there something in the same line that you shouldnt be able to get at the same time as it?
are the other possibilities in that slot competitive?

thats really all that matters in the new system

The drama is not that it exists, its that it is a minor trait, all of which you get by choosing Defense.

I love the trait in PvP and use it all the time, but its great as a GM and not something that every war should have automatically by choosing Defense. It’s good enough that we should need to choose between Spiked Armour/Dogged March/Shield Master.

As it is now, you get this, plus Dogged March or Shield Master, Cleansing Ire and either Rousing Resilience or Defy Pain.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

This is a ludicrous change. For Warriors to get 50% uptime of retaliation with no boon duration as a minor trait, it’s just madness. It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP. This needs to be swapped with Cull the Weak or Armoured Attack at very least.

people complaining about warriors when one of the most broken [censored] classes in the game is getting 50% dmg reduction while in stealth as a baseline to their profession. on top of a bunch of crazy damage additions.

I wouldn’t mind it so kitten much, if they finally introduced active counter measures for stealth, like for example drop an AoE stealth detection field with a 350 radius, any stealthed enemies entering the field are revealed for 10 seconds. reveal cannot be stripped and stacks duration.

Latinkuro.9615:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

This is a ludicrous change. For Warriors to get 50% uptime of retaliation with no boon duration as a minor trait, it’s just madness. It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP. This needs to be swapped with Cull the Weak or Armoured Attack at very least.

people complaining about warriors when one of the most broken [censored] classes in the game is getting 50% dmg reduction while in stealth as a baseline to their profession. on top of a bunch of crazy damage additions.

I wouldn’t mind it so kitten much, if they finally introduced active counter measures for stealth, like for example drop an AoE stealth detection field with a 350 radius, any stealthed enemies entering the field are revealed for 10 seconds. reveal cannot be stripped and stacks duration.

this solution works when you at least have seen the player go stealth but cast fear, i use that all the time with my necro and it makes stealth pretty much useless. (that and when i calculate how long it takes for them to get close i can just cast well of darkness and stealth doesn’t really matter anymore.)

Latinkuro.9615:

people complaining about warriors when one of the most broken [censored] classes in the game is getting 50% dmg reduction while in stealth as a baseline to their profession. on top of a bunch of crazy damage additions.

I get it, but that is another consideration that needs to be addressed, but it is essentially the same problem. A trait that was good enough for GM status before is now a freebie for choosing the traitline?

That actually seems to be a pattern across all the professions. There are a lot of beefy Grandmaster minors now…

Cleansing Ire should have been a minor trait.

The other two master traits will never be able to compete with Cleansing Ire unless there is a massive power creep.

Nike.2631:

That actually seems to be a pattern across all the professions. There are a lot of beefy Grandmaster minors now…

Fire and Air are the same, Earth is strong, Water is an ally healing only one (what the…) and Arcane is the same, horrendously bad one it has always been.

Of course, Elementalists were targeted for nerfs with this revamp, but even still…

runeblade.7514:

Cleansing Ire should have been a minor trait.

The other two master traits will never be able to compete with Cleansing Ire unless there is a massive power creep.

It’s too strong to be a minor trait. But I agree, Cull the Weak is gonna need a buff to be competitive, Last Stand can be good (if you go for a different condi cleanse route, and it seems wars are getting a bit better there, Resistance on Healing Sig and increasing Mending via traits, for example), but they said they were thinking about removing the vigor, which may make it not as useful to take.

Nike.2631:

That actually seems to be a pattern across all the professions. There are a lot of beefy Grandmaster minors now…

Well unless you are an ele or a necro. ele was straight up nerfed, and necro… well I think they just spun a wheel and randomly assigned random things to random lines, but even if they are the same power as before that makes them much weaker since the other classes got huge boosts.

And Protection on dodge and Bark skin is not OP at all

Btw guardian has way high retaliation uptime without traits

and how is this madness at all, warrior already has access to this trait with 1 trait point away, no one takes it because it’s kitten

Wallace MacBix.2089:

runeblade.7514:

Cleansing Ire should have been a minor trait.

The other two master traits will never be able to compete with Cleansing Ire unless there is a massive power creep.

It’s too strong to be a minor trait. But I agree, Cull the Weak is gonna need a buff to be competitive, Last Stand can be good (if you go for a different condi cleanse route, and it seems wars are getting a bit better there, Resistance on Healing Sig and increasing Mending via traits, for example), but they said they were thinking about removing the vigor, which may make it not as useful to take.

Except Cleansing Ire is the backbone of all warrior pvp builds. It is impossible to make a viable pvp build that doesn’t have cleansing Ire. The two master trait isn’t going to need just a buff. It needs to be overpowered to compensate the loss of cleansing Ire. Cull the Weak: 75% hp threshold for weakness application + 50% more damage when enemy has weakness. 20 second cd on Last stand. Of course, ANet can just ignore it and let CtW and Last stand be useless forever. ANet could remove Cleansing Ire and then watch Warriors fall out of PvP existence.

If you got one viable pvp build that doesn’t use cleansing Ire, submit it to metabattle to get it peer-reviewed. If it turns out to be good tier and higher, I will be wrong and you will be correct.

lighter.2708:

And Protection on dodge and Bark skin is not OP at all

Btw guardian has way high retaliation uptime without traits

and how is this madness at all, warrior already has access to this trait with 1 trait point away, no one takes it because it’s kitten

2.25s of Protection on dodge is not OP and Bark Skin reduces the damage of the 1st hit you take. That’s it. Guard has nowhere near 50% uptime of retaliation, take a look at their skills and minors. Plus, they need to use skills and traits to trigger retaliation, warrior will now get 50%+ uptime for nothing. If you have to at least use 1 trait point in order to take this, it would be fine. The trait is super powerful in PvP and WvW.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP.

Its totally not like Rangers get baseline 1500[2000~] range longbow with free Read the Wind or anything either. Both being effects that were tied to traits that every single power Ranger took. And this doesnt even require investment due to it being baseline. 50% uptime on Retal doesn’t even come close to that.

Aktium.9506:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

It was already a great trait for PvP/WvW and I used it all the time, but now I get free Rousing Resillience to make me even more OP.

Its totally not like Rangers get baseline 1500[2000~] range longbow with free Read the Wind or anything either. Both being effects that were tied to traits that every single power Ranger took. And this doesnt even require investment due to it being baseline. 50% uptime on Retal doesn’t even come close to that.

Read the wind is a bad trait because it is the backbone of longbow traits. You can’t hit anything using a longbow without that trait. You can’t be a viable Power Longbow ranger without it. I’m okay with 1500 range requiring a trait instead of being baseline.