Mind you the problem is that ANet doesn’t want people being able to deploy just by jumping, or running over a low hill.
I get that it’s your impression Anet doesn’t want that, but going with that, why wouldn’t Anet want that? What would be so terrible if people could do that in PvE?
It’s kind of symptomatic of their revised NPE which imposed so many restrictions that it’s ruined the fun for any veteran plus it doesn’t really seem that new players like it that much either. And by ‘that much’, I mean that such a revision should have immensely improved the new player experience from what it used to be like; rather than having a 50%/50% split on contentment with the NPE now among new players. That 50/50 was made up just now, but based on all threads I’ve seen here and Reddit from new players. I’d be interested to see retention rates under the new NPE compared to the old system. Besides, if it was so good… why are they removing the trait unlocks before/with GW2:HoT?
But I digress… here’s a new feature they’re adding, which could’ve be a really enjoyable feature. Easily deployable paraglider that you can deploy running downhill and making a small jump, or in hilly terrain where you can get some air to glide across a shorter span. Think Archeage in the simplicity of the glider movement and control; it was brilliant. More or less the only good thing in AA too
If it remains as we’ve seen, it’s not really a glider, it’s a chute, because you need to be in freefall to deploy it and it’ll seem more clunky than a sleek glider allowing you freedom of movement.
(last bump – apparently only me concerned about a potential new feature not being made fun)
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Immediate deployment or even pre-deployment is fine with me. Mind you the problem is that ANet doesn’t want people being able to deploy just by jumping, or running over a low hill. The fall mechanic seems to have been in place because ANet only wanted it to be deployed in certain conditions. The issue with instant deployment is that programmatically how the game know the difference between falling off a high cliff or falling off a small hill?
If I understand the suggestion, I was thinking the same thing as CureForLiving here. I do a lot of jumping, up and down, and I’d not want my glider to deploy and wing me off into the air when I was trying to do a vista that required a nearly straight downward jump.
I’ve played the demo (obviously ) and I feel the deployment mechanic is really smooth. Your mileage may vary, of course, so we’ll welcome input during the beta tests.
But I digress… here’s a new feature they’re adding, which could’ve be a really enjoyable feature. Easily deployable paraglider that you can deploy running downhill and making a small jump, or in hilly terrain where you can get some air to glide across a shorter span. Think Archeage in the simplicity of the glider movement and control; it was brilliant. More or less the only good thing in AA too
Never played AA and I don’t feel like downloading it just to check it’s gliding. So how is gliding deployed in AA? Do you have to press a button? What happens when you’re on the ground (assuming there’s a button and you press it)?
Immediate deployment or even pre-deployment is fine with me. Mind you the problem is that ANet doesn’t want people being able to deploy just by jumping, or running over a low hill. The fall mechanic seems to have been in place because ANet only wanted it to be deployed in certain conditions. The issue with instant deployment is that programmatically how the game know the difference between falling off a high cliff or falling off a small hill?
If I understand the suggestion, I was thinking the same thing as CureForLiving here. I do a lot of jumping, up and down, and I’d not want my glider to deploy and wing me off into the air when I was trying to do a vista that required a nearly straight downward jump.
I’ve played the demo (obviously
Here’s a few links to glider demo in AA for comparison:
http://youtu.be/l9CI2hOAHfA?t=15s
(only need to watch first 10 secs to see deployment, I’ve linked to 5 secs before deploy)
(in this example; the character sprints – comparable to using swiftness in GW2 – then makes small jump and presses deployment key)
http://youtu.be/othcy-IBvjo?t=1m30s
(again, linked directly to the 10 secs of the actual deployment… this is a length tutorial on glider, quest to acquire, etc.)
Then to answers; yes, gliders in ArcheAge deployed with a hot-key, ofc you could bind it to a special double-tap so if you jumped twice in quick succession it would be interpreted as wanting to deploy the glider. But you kept it on a shortcut key for deployment.
Meant, you could for example use a swiftness skill and run down a slope with suitable “fall” make a jump into the air and deploy your glider by clicking the shortcut key.
And yes, they were like flying mounts, but judging by the HoT trailer I don’t see difference in operation.
GW2: You deploy your glider when you are in free fall and either descend to the ground somewhere, or catch an updrift stream to gain altitude and be brought up to same or higher(even?) level.
AA: You deploy your glider when you want. I could be sprinting and jump on a small rock in the middle of the desert and deploy my glider to gain a few meters altitude and glide the next 50-100 meters. Ofc, this is taken to extreme because I’d be gliding from 5 meters above ground and be back on the ground very quickly. But set in a vertical map like Heart of Maguuma, I could then deploy the glider on the edge of say the Wyvern platform for a sense of better control.
It would feel more like a flying transport that I could put to use at will rather than an emergency parachute to be deployed only when the alternative is falling to my death.
I’m sure the community will learn how to operate the glider as it is now to take them places the devs haven’t thought of.
But I just feel it’s important the glider is as versatile as possible to allow this freedom of movement that we don’t get something that you have to go like follows:
1. Ok, let’s see; I want to use my glider… I must apparently fall off this cliff for it to work.
2. Now I must wait for the interact icon to show on screen, so I know that the glider can be deployed.
3. Aha, now I can click F and deploy the glider.
The AA alternative was:
1. OK, let’s see, I want to use my glider… Press F (or similar keybind).
(1b. Hmm… I was just running on the ground and of course that wouldn’t let me deploy it; or perhaps it let me but I could only float 3-4 meters because I deployed it on top of a rock and could only glide a short distance)
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Immediate deployment or even pre-deployment is fine with me. Mind you the problem is that ANet doesn’t want people being able to deploy just by jumping, or running over a low hill. The fall mechanic seems to have been in place because ANet only wanted it to be deployed in certain conditions. The issue with instant deployment is that programmatically how the game know the difference between falling off a high cliff or falling off a small hill?
If I understand the suggestion, I was thinking the same thing as CureForLiving here. I do a lot of jumping, up and down, and I’d not want my glider to deploy and wing me off into the air when I was trying to do a vista that required a nearly straight downward jump.
I’ve played the demo (obviously
Here’s a few links to glider demo in AA for comparison:
http://youtu.be/l9CI2hOAHfA?t=15s
(only need to watch first 10 secs to see deployment, I’ve linked to 5 secs before deploy)
(in this example; the character sprints – comparable to using swiftness in GW2 – then makes small jump and presses deployment key)
http://youtu.be/othcy-IBvjo?t=1m30s
(again, linked directly to the 10 secs of the actual deployment… this is a length tutorial on glider, quest to acquire, etc.)
Then to answers; yes, gliders in ArcheAge deployed with a hot-key, ofc you could bind it to a special double-tap so if you jumped twice in quick succession it would be interpreted as wanting to deploy the glider. But you kept it on a shortcut key for deployment.Meant, you could for example use a swiftness skill and run down a slope with suitable “fall” make a jump into the air and deploy your glider by clicking the shortcut key.
And yes, they were like flying mounts, but judging by the HoT trailer I don’t see difference in operation.
GW2: You deploy your glider when you are in free fall and either descend to the ground somewhere, or catch an updrift stream to gain altitude and be brought up to same or higher(even?) level.
AA: You deploy your glider when you want. I could be sprinting and jump on a small rock in the middle of the desert and deploy my glider to gain a few meters altitude and glide the next 50-100 meters. Ofc, this is taken to extreme because I’d be gliding from 5 meters above ground and be back on the ground very quickly. But set in a vertical map like Heart of Maguuma, I could then deploy the glider on the edge of say the Wyvern platform for a sense of better control.It would feel more like a flying transport that I could put to use at will rather than an emergency parachute to be deployed only when the alternative is falling to my death.
I’m sure the community will learn how to operate the glider as it is now to take them places the devs haven’t thought of.
But I just feel it’s important the glider is as versatile as possible to allow this freedom of movement that we don’t get something that you have to go like follows:
1. Ok, let’s see; I want to use my glider… I must apparently fall off this cliff for it to work.
2. Now I must wait for the interact icon to show on screen, so I know that the glider can be deployed.
3. Aha, now I can click F and deploy the glider.The AA alternative was:
1. OK, let’s see, I want to use my glider… Press F (or similar keybind).
(1b. Hmm… I was just running on the ground and of course that wouldn’t let me deploy it; or perhaps it let me but I could only float 3-4 meters because I deployed it on top of a rock and could only glide a short distance)
Totally agree
Immediate deployment or even pre-deployment is fine with me. Mind you the problem is that ANet doesn’t want people being able to deploy just by jumping, or running over a low hill. The fall mechanic seems to have been in place because ANet only wanted it to be deployed in certain conditions. The issue with instant deployment is that programmatically how the game know the difference between falling off a high cliff or falling off a small hill?
If I understand the suggestion, I was thinking the same thing as CureForLiving here. I do a lot of jumping, up and down, and I’d not want my glider to deploy and wing me off into the air when I was trying to do a vista that required a nearly straight downward jump.
I’ve played the demo (obviously
What about the option of binding glide to a key that’s different to your jump key? >_>
I honestly really liked the way deploying the glider worked in the demo. It felt intuitive and it does prevent situations where it could deploy when you don’t want it to. Honestly the only thing which bothered me about it is it being tied to the spacebar. I have a bad habit of hitting the spacebar for no good reason just because (ok I tend to randomly jump when running around) and that habit did cause me to die
But I digress… here’s a new feature they’re adding, which could’ve be a really enjoyable feature. Easily deployable paraglider that you can deploy running downhill and making a small jump, or in hilly terrain where you can get some air to glide across a shorter span. Think Archeage in the simplicity of the glider movement and control; it was brilliant. More or less the only good thing in AA too
Never played AA and I don’t feel like downloading it just to check it’s gliding. So how is gliding deployed in AA? Do you have to press a button? What happens when you’re on the ground (assuming there’s a button and you press it)?
Its customizable (as in you can assign a key-its treated as a skill you can put into one of the many hotbars in the game), but most people use double jump (as in double tap space bar – its a toggle option) to deploy it. I played a lot of AA during the xmas (my brother wanted to try it out), and honestly it was the only thing i missed whenever i was back at guildwars, mostly because its used as a way to quick-travel as well as mounts, and when running around in DR during Xmas i saw myself constantly double jumping xp.
I’m really waiting to give feedback on it during the beta, but from the videos, Guildwar’s take seems a bit poor compared to AA. I mean, strafing while gliding is unrealistic and looks weird, would be best to have the strafe keys bank the glider instead, and the others rotate it on its axis (a bit eccentrically though – so not to “turn on a dime”).
Then the order of the masteries also seems a bit off. Like the very last could do better being one of the first, etc.
I bet the gliding in AA is just like a flying mount… and that’s completely different purpose than in GW2, so they can’t use the same principle
Dondarrion gave a nicely complete answer. I’ll just add that the AA gliders were more vehicle than mount, in that you got different abilities while using one. Different gliders had different abilities, and the basic gliders got you almost no horizontal distance at all compared to the high end ones.
They weren’t like WoW’s flying mounts. You couldn’t hover, though you could “stall” to slow your lateral motion, and you couldn’t get higher without using a rocket boost thing with a long cooldown. You had to get to a high spot to start if you wanted to go any distance — and then you might have issues landing where you want because you could only go straight down by releasing the glider and plummeting.
I did really enjoy using them, along with the mounts in that game. Hated most everything else about the game, but I liked the gliders and horses.
That doesn’t mean the same system would work in HoT’s design. AA style gliding could cover far too much of the map given the zone sizes we’re working with. So we’ll have to see how gliding’s implemented in beta and give feedback for improvements that benefit game play without breaking encounters.
I don’t see the danger of covering too much ground, but again, need to play it to tell, specially with maxed masteries.
But while gliders on AA have several minutes worth of flight time (its actually a timed buff with like 5 minutes – or was it 2 – duration), while GW2 seems to have only a few seconds until the “stamina” depletes. So there’s no danger of flying across the map with it.
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I like this suggestion and I would also like to see in the future Anet incorporating the back pieces into the glider. Like with the new black wings we use those to glide or the ones that look like a backpack have a propeller come out so the back pieces will be more than just for show.
Yes, my thinking too. Lots of wing-themed backpiece, or how about the Molten Jetpack?