Only if HoT daily would not take place of some PvE core daily. I hate HoT map and only go there if have to. If some PvE core daily replace with HoT I would not like this.
Considering the selection already changes as you level, if they were going to add HoT dailies, they’d probably take over the current ones. For example, where a core account might see a daily do complete 4 events in Queensdale, a HoT account may see Verdant Brink instead.
They could give HoT its own section, but what happens next expansion and after that? It’d get pretty bloated over time, in which case they’d likely only offer the current expansion while the previous ones become the core, like above.
Someone would think that the word “add” is very clear…. Add one more daily tab with HoT daily achievements. Rather simple and won’t affect anyone that didn’t buy HoT in any way or form.
(If you mean something else with “add”, like replace current PVE Dailies with HoT dailies, then no)
All dailies include bonuses of some sort, so “adding” them also disadvantages people who haven’t bought HoT, in addition to help those who own it.
I think before we consider modifying the current dailies, it’s important to ask what they do for the game and community. As currently set up:
Easy access to AP for those who play every day.
Minor rewards that add up over time.
Minor incentive to player to try out different modes.
Minor incentive for veterans to revisit non-max zones.
Minor incentive for HoT owners to return to central Tyria.
In ANet’s shoes, I’d probably continue with the status quo, feeling that the benefit to HoT owners is insufficient to losing the last two incentives, however minor they might be to some of us.
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All dailies include bonuses of some sort, so “adding” them also disadvantages people who haven’t bought HoT, in addition to help those who own it.
I think before we consider modifying the current dailies, it’s important to ask what they do for the game and community. As currently set up:
Easy access to AP for those who play every day.
Minor rewards that add up over time.
Minor incentive to player to try out different modes.
Minor incentive for veterans to revisit non-max zones.
Minor incentive for HoT owners to return to central Tyria.
In ANet’s shoes, I’d probably continue with the status quo, feeling that the benefit to HoT owners is insufficient to losing the last two incentives, however minor they might be to some of us.
“Disadvantaged”… They can’t enter the zones or access elites or have access to gliding… There is zero “disadvantage” to not having access to a few dailies added…
Nobody is losing anything and nothing bad will happen to the game. You’re overthinking this.
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yeah thatd be sweet, perhaps they could give a little of the map currency for the map you need to complete them in too as opposed to what the core tyria dailys give
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This is a good idea, it really gives added reason to enter the HoT maps, and would give incentive for those bored of tyria dailes. eiter add them to the current cycles (PVE teria , PVEHoT, WvW PvP) or add a new tab like they do for fractal dailies.
the argument that it gives a disadvantage to those who haven’t bought HoT is bull as it really doesn’t change anything for them. as they weren’t getting any of the HoT perks in the first place.
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the argument that it gives a disadvantage to those who haven’t bought HoT is bull as it really doesn’t change anything for them.
It does change things for them, it gives them dailies they can’t do. It would look as if ANet was favoring players who bought HOT over those who haven’t.
the argument that it gives a disadvantage to those who haven’t bought HoT is bull as it really doesn’t change anything for them.
It does change things for them, it gives them dailies they can’t do. It would look as if ANet was favoring players who bought HOT over those who haven’t.
First of all why shouldnt they favor people who bought their expansion over those who didnt? So long as they arent doing it in a way that makes it pay to win they are not in the wrong at all
Second as already said in the topic there are already plenty of things non HoT owners can’t do, and when living story season 3 comes out they will probably not be able to do that either.
How is adding a HoT daily diffferent than thaat?
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Just an additional HOT daily tab like seasonal events have in the daily window. I see no issue. I’m already “forced” to do pvp/wvw dailies because pve core tyria ones take too much “effort”.
the argument that it gives a disadvantage to those who haven’t bought HoT is bull as it really doesn’t change anything for them.
It does change things for them, it gives them dailies they can’t do. It would look as if ANet was favoring players who bought HOT over those who haven’t.
If the HoT dailies give HoT currency and they don’t give any extra AP then what’s the problem?
the argument that it gives a disadvantage to those who haven’t bought HoT is bull as it really doesn’t change anything for them.
It does change things for them, it gives them dailies they can’t do. It would look as if ANet was favoring players who bought HOT over those who haven’t.
If the HoT dailies give HoT currency and they don’t give any extra AP then what’s the problem?
Fifteen “adventures” and 3 champions, awarding daily map currency and other goodies. All available every day, just not encapsulated in the achievement tab. That’s 18 dailies every day, 50% more than all the other game mode dailies added all together.
If this is about having a tab with a list of stupid pet tricks to perform in the 4 HoT maps, that desire gets no sympathy from me. Why would I want the game to tell me to go do trivial things in a specific place, for crumbs? The daily achievements are already a pathetic plate of rancid excrement. Let’s not add several more scoops to it. More excrement will not make for a better meal.
Am I the only one who realizes that he/she just wants to add HoT to the 3 dailies needed for the AP?
nope and it would be nice to have this since there are players that dont go in core game maps
if u have dailyes in wvw, spvp and core game,why not add some in hot maps?
Edit: Did I misinterpret? Are you talking about adding HOT dailies as additional options to finish the main daily?
Of course…. that’s the whole point. An extra tab to have (HOT) like WvW/PVP/PVE. The achievements will work the same way as all others (count for the 3 you need to get daily reward) and give some extra map currency based on the achievement.
There are some minor drawbacks to it, like removing part of the incentive for level 80 players (and hot owners) to visit old tyria maps. But really how much of an incentive is a daily anyway since it only takes 2 minutes to complete, won’t exactly “keep” players on that zone, unless it’s an event daily where it’s more annoying (because in low level zones events are finished before you reach them) than an actual incentive to stay and play on that zone.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
No it wouldn’t because that would base the access to daily completion on grinding HoT.
“add” as in, offer more options without removing those that are already available. So, on top of pve, pvp, wvw (and occasional festival) categories add a new, HoT one.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
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I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
To add to Astralporing’s excellent responses, I want to add to this point: why the assumption that all players in a map are already participating in a meta? There is always some proportion of players in any map who are farming, standing around for a raid, looking for mastery points, map completing.
I really don’t get the flood of negativity to this. Every day I see the three (sometimes four) tabs: PVE, PVP, WvW. And I only do the PVE dailies.
Am I forced to do PVP/WvW? No.
Do I feel disadvantaged? No.
Do I feel discriminated against because I’m crap at pvp? No.
Will it stop me from going to core Tyria? No. I’ll just have more PVE dailies to do, which is something I enjoy.
The HOT maps can be punishing. Why not have an additional incentive to visit them? With all the fuss over this you’d think the OP was suggesting that we should have mounts and that there should be dailies involving riding those mounts.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
I think that the whole chest farm vs doing the meta complaints that arose in SW are a pretty good sign of why adding dailies HoT’s zones might be a problem (unless the daily is to complete the meta of course).
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
To add to Astralporing’s excellent responses, I want to add to this point: why the assumption that all players in a map are already participating in a meta? There is always some proportion of players in any map who are farming, standing around for a raid, looking for mastery points, map completing.
I really don’t get the flood of negativity to this. Every day I see the three (sometimes four) tabs: PVE, PVP, WvW. And I only do the PVE dailies.
Am I forced to do PVP/WvW? No.
Do I feel disadvantaged? No.
Do I feel discriminated against because I’m crap at pvp? No.
Will it stop me from going to core Tyria? No. I’ll just have more PVE dailies to do, which is something I enjoy.
The HOT maps can be punishing. Why not have an additional incentive to visit them? With all the fuss over this you’d think the OP was suggesting that we should have mounts and that there should be dailies involving riding those mounts.
You have a really great idea there
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I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
I’m pretty sure anyone that’s spent more than an hour in the HoT zones has already “discovered” the metas, in much the same way as one “discovers” a snowball upside the head.
You can’t avoid running into the meta (aka: the snowball fight), you know it’s there. Those that want to join in already do so. Those that do not, left. Those that were somehow still clueless about what was going on are few, far between, and likely people you don’t actually want around “helping” you.
Now, personally I have no problem with the idea of HoT dailies at first glance, but I do worry that it will add to “bloat”. It will take us up to four tabs of dailies, five if there’s a festival going on. And the next expansion will take us to 5/6, and so on. Maybe it would be best to make an “Expansion Daily” tab instead of a “HoT Daily” tab. Put stuff in there that’s pretty generic, and can be done in most expansion zones. Then, as more expansions are added, those dailies remain valid for any and all expansions.
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I like the idea of an expansion tab. It could be 3 random dailies from a pool relating to any expansion or it could be “today is from HoT” “today is from Expac 2” etc.
That’s long term thinking, but better to have the framework in place.
Obviously I support adding in HoT dailies regardless
Now, personally I have no problem with the idea of HoT dailies at first glance, but I do worry that it will add to “bloat”. It will take us up to four tabs of dailies, five if there’s a festival going on. And the next expansion will take us to 5/6, and so on. Maybe it would be best to make an “Expansion Daily” tab instead of a “HoT Daily” tab. Put stuff in there that’s pretty generic, and can be done in most expansion zones. Then, as more expansions are added, those dailies remain valid for any and all expansions.
I believe in future thinking as much as anyone.. but sometimes one can think a little too far ahead. For all we know, there may never be another expansion. (There, I said it.)
Let’s just have the darned HOT tab and enjoy it for now. If another expansion does come along, let’s re-evaluate then. Maybe merge, maybe not.
Also, bloat is so subjective. They’re just tabs at the top of that screen. They take up little real estate. I see the PVP and WvW tabs and I don’t bother with them. To me, they might as well be bloat alongside my PVE tab. What does it matter if there’s more tabs? Players will just ignore the ones they don’t want.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
The people who hate HoT and don’t want to do metas ever would probably rather just do their dailies elsewhere anyway, even if they added HoT options to the daily list.
I’d definitely appreciate some HoT-specific dailies. Just make a completely new category for it so that its purely additional options and not taking the place of anything currently. So you’d have PvE, PvP, WvW, and then an Expansion / HoT category. People who don’t have the expansion wouldn’t even have the category on their interface, so there’d be no weird OCD issues where people get mad that they can’t complete the dailies they see because they don’t have HoT.
Not everyone bought HOT. Adding it to the dailies would disadvantage some of the player base.
By your logic, adding gliding in core Tyria should never be done because it would “disadvantage” some of the player base, so obviously they would never do that…..oh wait.
Also, this “disadvantaged player base” sure is going to feel glum when Living story 3 comes around and is locked to them as an expansion only series of events.
Basically, I agree completely with the OP, adding this would be great and does no harm to anyone else.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary?
I wouldnt say that it was inconceivable but its not inconceivable that somewhere out there is a GW2 player who has been kidnapped and held for ransom by people who, to keep him from whining, allow him to play his favorite MMO, but only to do dailies. So he cannot play HoT content unless dailies are added to that part of the game.
I am not sure that there is much to be gained by adding dailies to accommodate two people (your not inconceivable one and mine).
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
Let me present another way to look at it: the maps are already full of vistas, poi’s, hero points and various containers to be opened, achievements to be found, flax farming, etc. There is plenty to draw people away from the metas. You could argue that you don’t need another thing to take players away from the meta – but that’s built on the assumption that the dailies have to compete with the meta. They don’t. I gave examples above of some dailies that would actually encourage people to join the meta, just as Caledon forest event dailies encourage players to do Jungle Wurm or the daily FE encourages players to do ..the ..daily FE. HOT dailies do not have to inherently exclude content you like. We can all win.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary?
I wouldnt say that it was inconceivable but its not inconceivable that somewhere out there is a GW2 player who has been kidnapped and held for ransom by people who, to keep him from whining, allow him to play his favorite MMO, but only to do dailies. So he cannot play HoT content unless dailies are added to that part of the game.
I am not sure that there is much to be gained by adding dailies to accommodate two people (your not inconceivable one and mine).
I enjoyed your response. It reminded me of good times way back when I was kidnapped and forced to… ah, but I digress. It seems your inconceivable person and mine have run off to elope or something but fortunately there’s a bunch of slightly more conceivable people on this forum who seem to be in favour of HOT dailies, so there might be something to be gained after all.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion.
No, actually you have it backwards. What we don’t need is mapwide metas that require whole map to participate and do not allow for people doing their own things. Using them as a baseline for discussion, something other mechanics need to adhere to is only reinforcing a bad design.
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This could be a great way of tempting players like me into HoT. They should add a couple of HoT options to the normal daily PVE selection rather than adding a new category. They should make at least one of them quick and easy. If you are looking to do three quick dailies for the chest you’re going to choose the three quickest/easiest ones. The Tyria vista and the gather tasks are a no-brainer but there is room for another quickie to tempt those short of time, especially on those days where the third choice is between a tedious mini-game and a world boss. Once you start tempting people in to HoT then they will start to feel more comfortable there. Dailies could also include parts of the HoT meta events and would boost player numbers for those bits.
And I don’t buy into the “don’t upset the non-HoT owners” thing. As long as non-HoT owners can still do the same old dailies there is no problem with there being other options on the list. Buy an expansion, get access to more stuffs.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
Let me present another way to look at it: the maps are already full of vistas, poi’s, hero points and various containers to be opened, achievements to be found, flax farming, etc. There is plenty to draw people away from the metas. You could argue that you don’t need another thing to take players away from the meta – but that’s built on the assumption that the dailies have to compete with the meta. They don’t. I gave examples above of some dailies that would actually encourage people to join the meta, just as Caledon forest event dailies encourage players to do Jungle Wurm or the daily FE encourages players to do ..the ..daily FE. HOT dailies do not have to inherently exclude content you like. We can all win.
You have completely overlooked the fact that a map only supports a certain number of players.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
Let me present another way to look at it: the maps are already full of vistas, poi’s, hero points and various containers to be opened, achievements to be found, flax farming, etc. There is plenty to draw people away from the metas. You could argue that you don’t need another thing to take players away from the meta – but that’s built on the assumption that the dailies have to compete with the meta. They don’t. I gave examples above of some dailies that would actually encourage people to join the meta, just as Caledon forest event dailies encourage players to do Jungle Wurm or the daily FE encourages players to do ..the ..daily FE. HOT dailies do not have to inherently exclude content you like. We can all win.
You have completely overlooked the fact that a map only supports a certain number of players.
Not at all. If we have dailies that involve the meta (e.g. activate 2 pylons, daily octovine, etc) then players who can’t get into a map doing the meta will try to find another or even start one.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
Let me present another way to look at it: the maps are already full of vistas, poi’s, hero points and various containers to be opened, achievements to be found, flax farming, etc. There is plenty to draw people away from the metas. You could argue that you don’t need another thing to take players away from the meta – but that’s built on the assumption that the dailies have to compete with the meta. They don’t. I gave examples above of some dailies that would actually encourage people to join the meta, just as Caledon forest event dailies encourage players to do Jungle Wurm or the daily FE encourages players to do ..the ..daily FE. HOT dailies do not have to inherently exclude content you like. We can all win.
You have completely overlooked the fact that a map only supports a certain number of players.
Not at all. If we have dailies that involve the meta (e.g. activate 2 pylons, daily octovine, etc) then players who can’t get into a map doing the meta will try to find another or even start one.
That’s possibly the worst the situation we can have … players complete random events in a meta, then bail when dailies are done.
I don’t think this is a good idea … you want full maps for the duration of the meta. Unless the daily is “Complete the meta event”, it will be problematic.
And what would prevent those people from participating in the meta? It’s not like doing dailies takes a lot of time.
That’s exactly my point … they will do only what they need to complete the daily, then bail out. Do you think that’s good for a map trying to complete the meta? I don’t think it is.
Sure there are already people in the map not doing meta … with dailies, you will have even more.
And you’ll also have people coming into the jungle who would not have otherwise, discovering the metas and staying to help, especially if the dailies include event completers as central does.
That makes no sense … so you’re tell me that someone has bought HoT and NOT went into the new zones to experience the content without having a daily there … but will do so if a HoT Daily is created … Um, No.
That still doesn’t address the concern I’ve raised. Unless the daily is “complete the meta” even more people will come into the maps to only complete their daily and leave, which makes it even hard to complete the meta in those maps than it is now.
Is it inconceivable that players might buy HOT for gliding, elite specs, legendary collections and whatever else and put off visiting the jungle itself because it’s scary? And that given enough incentive they may be swayed to try it? I don’t like PvP but the PvP dailies do incentivise me to try it now and then. I find DS tedious but having a daily related to it (e.g. “open X noxious pods” or “complete 1 DS”) would encourage me to enter and stay for it. Isn’t the entire point of the dailies to make people do things they wouldn’t otherwise do?
The point is, you argued that some proportion of players will act in a certain way that will be disadvantageous for the meta. I argued that some proportion of players will act in a way that is advantageous to the meta. Both of these will happen, but neither of us knows what number of people will go which way and whether the ultimate outcome is good or bad for the meta. And if we’re honestly supposed to play as we like, some of us would like HOT dailies.
No, the point is … the last thing we need is a mechanic that doesn’t encourage players in the map to not participate and finish the meta to completion. That includes dailies. It’s irrelevant if it makes more people purchase HoT or go into HoT maps if the end result is a HARDER time to complete the meta.
Let me present another way to look at it: the maps are already full of vistas, poi’s, hero points and various containers to be opened, achievements to be found, flax farming, etc. There is plenty to draw people away from the metas. You could argue that you don’t need another thing to take players away from the meta – but that’s built on the assumption that the dailies have to compete with the meta. They don’t. I gave examples above of some dailies that would actually encourage people to join the meta, just as Caledon forest event dailies encourage players to do Jungle Wurm or the daily FE encourages players to do ..the ..daily FE. HOT dailies do not have to inherently exclude content you like. We can all win.
You have completely overlooked the fact that a map only supports a certain number of players.
Not at all. If we have dailies that involve the meta (e.g. activate 2 pylons, daily octovine, etc) then players who can’t get into a map doing the meta will try to find another or even start one.
That’s possibly the worst the situation we can have … players complete random events in a meta, then bail when dailies are done.
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O..kay. Well, it’s been nice. Cya round the jungle.
Considering they have been trying to get away from the whole daily achievement point
thing, I find it more likely that they will eliminate the dailies rather than expand them.
The other thing to consider is what lesson did the developers learn from Hot. I suspect a big part of that is not to listen to a few players.
Not everyone bought HOT. Adding it to the dailies would disadvantage some of the player base.
By your logic, adding gliding in core Tyria should never be done because it would “disadvantage” some of the player base, so obviously they would never do that…..oh wait.
By my logic adding HOT to the dailies will see players who bought it being able to receive more rewards from the dailies than those who didn’t. Irrespective of achievement points it would be turning the dailies into something that could alienate part of the player base.
Also, this “disadvantaged player base” sure is going to feel glum when Living story 3 comes around and is locked to them as an expansion only series of events.
Your knowledge of Living Story 3 exceeds mine, I had no definite understanding that non HOT players were going to be locked out of it.
Basically, I agree completely with the OP, adding this would be great and does no harm to anyone else.
It would harm the non HOT players for the reasons I’ve already stated.
I never PVP and rarely WvW. Yet there are dailies there, so I can, if I want, get multiple dailies done. I know players who only PVP and those are the only dailies they have a chance at because they choose not to PvE. I don’t see why there can’t be an additional tab for farming in HoT zones just like we do for other significant components of gw2. There a many things in this game geared to a specific player set that could be conceived as disadvantages to other players who are good at or do not want to do X. Or is this more about “everyone gets a trophy” sportsmanship?
and it would be nice to have this since there are players that dont go in core game maps