Guild Wars 2

Since when does ANet balance things by making them more powerful? I thought their philosophy was the complete opposite of power creep?

Mesmer is incredibly cheese right now, exacerbated by chronomancer
Scrapper is OP with perma stab/stuns/might
Revenant has way too much mobility, too much sustain, and entirely too much DPS.
Reaper death’s charge is overpowered and I play a necro. The exploding chill trait combined with chill of death does way too much damage. It’s a joke.

Stop buffing stuff and start nerfing stuff. This has nothing to do with ‘L2P’ and i know bad players abusing the current mechanics will say so, so just thought I’d get that out there.

People are not used to fight these classes yet, so it may look very OP at this moment. Give it time. People will start making counter builds against them.

The philosphy is “every class should be useful” so every class get everything. The only thing you have to do in gw2 is to copy a build and the skillrotation of a class and do this -.-

Teamplay should be the main component of the game, but teamplay is reduced to “stick together and put your fire fields when i say” (at least in PvE). And this for every teammate combination.

They do seem to have a lot going for them. My main is a guardian who I play as a tanky support, but after playing the druid and revenant, they seem very strong in comparison so far. The druid has a few issues of its own, like the celestial avatar meter building up too quickly when healing, but the burst is high. I might be wrong about this, but the revenant so far seems to take the guardian’s role and does a better job at it.

I was about to post the same thing. Some of the elites are way too OP and way silly in combat mobility. Dragon hunters hitting for 16K with one invisible trap, and a Reverent who is so fast in combat that it has no counterplay. But so what as long as it sells HoT. I don’t get how they think this is acceptable. Do these specs get tested?

Ofc the HoT spec will be totaly OP. It motivate ppl to buy the expansion… Quite classic.

And since Anet is WAY more interested in money than in making a really great game. Well. No surprise here.

More or less they had to be “OP”.
Wait a month and they will tuned down.

And that all can be like the big patch that changed all the traitlines and conditions.

At the begin there will be the chaos why no one was able to fight the new condition builds and the really high dps killed a large amount of players accustomed to the old bunker meta.
But now burn has been toned down for the ele, that was the main and only problem about burn (against guardian burns is only a l2p or teamwork issue).

I see a sPvP really balanced (the thief is lesser easy to play than ever but a good thief can do great things) and the new "meta2 make the matches fast and funny.

Wait one month after the HoT release and everything will be toned down where needed and everyone will learn how to fight the new specializzation builds.

Power creep is obvious, name all the skills/traits with stability/super speed/quickness before patch and now glance at almost any elite specialization.

thanks for the great replies guys. it’s so refreshing to have people actually agree and not make low effort ‘L2P’ posts

Daredevil.

Spicyhash.7605:

Since when does ANet balance things by making them more powerful? I thought their philosophy was the complete opposite of power creep?

Mesmer is incredibly cheese right now, exacerbated by chronomancer
Scrapper is OP with perma stab/stuns/might
Revenant has way too much mobility, too much sustain, and entirely too much DPS.
Reaper death’s charge is overpowered and I play a necro. The exploding chill trait combined with chill of death does way too much damage. It’s a joke.

Stop buffing stuff and start nerfing stuff. This has nothing to do with ‘L2P’ and i know bad players abusing the current mechanics will say so, so just thought I’d get that out there.

This person is uncomfortable with their own skill level and thus needs to show everyone that they are so good that nerfs are needed when most people are happy about the changes. It’s understandable and I feel for them but I thought everyone should know before something drastic is done. Thanks everyone, have a good day!

Note how Druid was nowhere to be seen by OP

Kailee.8790:

Note how Druid was nowhere to be seen by OP

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Celestial_Shadow

Can’t see kitten with everything have stealth and super speed.

If you look at Anet’s history of how they made GW1, it’s pretty clear that power creep happens in their development cycle. They introduce new stuff and that new stuff will almost always be better than the old stuff.

If you played GW1 at any point after Nightfall’s release, then Prophecies was a complete piece of cake. With EotN, everything else became a complete piece of cake, even most hard mode content.

It’s a sad, unfortunate, but expected reality with how ArenaNet does things. They don’t have a vertical progression or a gear treadmill – they have a horizontal powercreep.

This is how Anet does things. And I had predicted such back in February.

It doesn’t surprise me.

And to those who are saying that people are not used to fighting the elite specs – this isn’t just a matter of PvP. Go into PvE and the elite specs will melt mobs while the core don’t – or at least, don’t as much. The sheer numbers is vastly greater in most (if not all) elite specs.

I’m sorry, but you should not be able to stand in a Legendary boss’s attacks without a care in the world like reapers can. As one example.

As a main necro, I find the obvious OP’ness of reapers to be… boring.

They may tone them down a few months after the release of the expansion.

What better way to encourage sales than put some shiny, new and utterly overpowered things in the expansion. This is done in pretty much every single mmo out there.

Not much point worrying about balance right now, we know things are overpowered, they know things are overpowered. They know what they’re doing, no one buys new things when they have something just as good already. People will want to be chronomancers and reapers BECAUSE they are better, and so they’ll buy the expansion. And eventually they’ll balance them, just in time for a new expansion, and we can do all this again.

ArenaNet made specs, called them elite, and put them behind a paywall.

Spicyhash.7605:

Revenant has way too much mobility

Please excuse me while i rofl.

GragorR.9768:

Spicyhash.7605:

Revenant has way too much mobility

Please excuse me while i rofl.

You might want to try the permaswiftness if you don’t understand how to give Rev mobility. In the time it took you to make this post, you could have learned about the class!

style.6173:

GragorR.9768:

Spicyhash.7605:

Revenant has way too much mobility

Please excuse me while i rofl.

You might want to try the permaswiftness if you don’t understand how to give Rev mobility. In the time it took you to make this post, you could have learned about the class!

Since when is perma-swiftness a feat of ridiculous mobility?

That said, Shiro has crazy mobility IF there is a target ahead to dash to. Otherwise, yeah, its kind of a silly thing to say.

A lot of people seem to be suggesting that the classes are over powered on purpose to improve the sales. That is kind of a silly way to try to get more sales though, and I don’t really think that would be the main reason for this. :P I didn’t buy the expansion expecting the elite specs and new class were going to be better. I bought it because we were being offered new content and more customization to our classes. Also because ArenaNet is trying to make support roles more viable, so the druid interested me. People who are looking for a quality expansion probably wouldn’t buy it if they thought the classes were going to remain op too long after the release.

As an ele I had hard time facing almost any of the specs, they are all overpowered except Tempest that is a joke. It’s impossible to die in 3 sec from a Dragonhunter or die from Scraper’s aoe while he is focusing the archers… it’s a shame to not be able to hit a daredevil once or not be able to bring Riper below 50%. All the specs do insane damage and they have many tools to survive for ever. They seam like up grates rather than new options and people still don’t know how to play them like the old stuff.

Amber.2637:

A lot of people seem to be suggesting that the classes are over powered on purpose to improve the sales. That is kind of a silly way to try to get more sales though, and I don’t really think that would be the main reason for this. :P I didn’t buy the expansion expecting the elite specs and new class were going to be better. I bought it because we were being offered new content and more customization to our classes. Also because ArenaNet is trying to make support roles more viable, so the druid interested me. People who are looking for a quality expansion probably wouldn’t buy it if they thought the classes were going to remain op too long after the release.

That’s not really how things work though is it, if it was we’d be living in world where things were made to last, they’d be well designed and made of quality materials. Planned obsolescence wouldn’t be a term that had meaning, apple products wouldn’t exist. I mean, the classes aren’t balanced for kitten, but you already bought the game.

Specialisations are selling points, be it some new role, or just being over powered, it’s gotta be new or its got to be better or people won’t care. It’s not a silly way to get sales at all, it makes perfect sense. Someone goes to pvp, gets rekt by a chronomancer and says “I want to do that!”, and anet gets more money.

Jaetara.4075:

As an ele I had hard time facing almost any of the specs, they are all overpowered except Tempest that is a joke. It’s impossible to die in 3 sec from a Dragonhunter or die from Scraper’s aoe while he is focusing the archers… it’s a shame to not be able to hit a daredevil once or not be able to bring Riper below 50%. All the specs do insane damage and they have many tools to survive for ever. They seam like up grates rather than new options and people still don’t know how to play them like the old stuff.

So basically everything Elementalists have been doing since release. Gotcha.

Of course they are, otherwise who will buy the expansion.
For me the poor comedy is the expansion itself. You are basically forced to buy it if your will is to continue to play the game, since the characters concept are totally different, drastically contrasting with the previous one. It’s basically a new game, not an expansion. It’s a total change. At that point ANET should create new GW3 or whatsoever servers. There’s no point that the two game coexist. Really disappointed and annoyed by marketing stuff. I simply deleted the Application and kitten ANET and all the joke industry!

If they weren’t overpowered, you can bet people would be posting spreadsheets all about how they’re too weak and aren’t even worth existing. Balance will happen over time, through lots of patching. It’s a delicate thing.

Swizzle.7982:

Amber.2637:

A lot of people seem to be suggesting that the classes are over powered on purpose to improve the sales. That is kind of a silly way to try to get more sales though, and I don’t really think that would be the main reason for this. :P I didn’t buy the expansion expecting the elite specs and new class were going to be better. I bought it because we were being offered new content and more customization to our classes. Also because ArenaNet is trying to make support roles more viable, so the druid interested me. People who are looking for a quality expansion probably wouldn’t buy it if they thought the classes were going to remain op too long after the release.

That’s not really how things work though is it, if it was we’d be living in world where things were made to last, they’d be well designed and made of quality materials. Planned obsolescence wouldn’t be a term that had meaning, apple products wouldn’t exist. I mean, the classes aren’t balanced for kitten, but you already bought the game.

Specialisations are selling points, be it some new role, or just being over powered, it’s gotta be new or its got to be better or people won’t care. It’s not a silly way to get sales at all, it makes perfect sense. Someone goes to pvp, gets rekt by a chronomancer and says “I want to do that!”, and anet gets more money.

I wasn’t anticipating perfect balance when I bought the game, nor was I not expecting that some of the elite specs would be op. I was just saying that it wasn’t my reason for buying the game. I believe it is the same for a lot of other people too. Sure, some people might like that the elite specs feel stronger, but there is also probably a lot of people who don’t. I’m not really trying to deny the possibility of sales increasing due to this. I just think it is a silly method regardless. A lot of people might be drawn in from it, but plenty of other people would not.

E Tan.7385:

Ofc the HoT spec will be totaly OP. It motivate ppl to buy the expansion… Quite classic.

And since Anet is WAY more interested in money than in making a really great game. Well. No surprise here.

Erm… there’s no sub fee. How exactly are they more interested in money? They give us content for free, man. HoT is the first thing we’ve had to pay for in ages. Yes, the specializations need a little nerf but there’s no need to bash Anet on this one.

If everybody is overpowered then nobody is overpowered. What a silly argument.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

If everybody is overpowered then nobody is overpowered. What a silly argument.

If not everyone is playing the elite specs then not everyone is overpowered. Where’s your rebuttal now?

style.6173:

GragorR.9768:

Spicyhash.7605:

Revenant has way too much mobility

Please excuse me while i rofl.

You might want to try the permaswiftness if you don’t understand how to give Rev mobility. In the time it took you to make this post, you could have learned about the class!

can’t believe the idiot you replied to. zerg just chased a rev from southwest outer SM all the way to quentin and he was ahead of us almost the entire time. constant ‘roll for initiative’ in shiro followed by the glint heal that converts damage to healing over and over and over again.

I can’t find a single use for a Mesmer in PvE that has to do with DPS. I’d say that needs fixed. Besides that I’ve successfully killed all the other classes in WvW pretty regularly and PvP as well. I don’t think they’r really going to be that dangerous in the long run. It just will take some time for people to adjust to them. I mean, when I was fighting the revenant I just happened to have mace/mace and sword/shield on when I ran into it. It was doing mace/sword or whatever that oddity is. My biggest problem with them was remembering that needed to be constantly interrupted or I was going to die from their thorny heal spell.

You guys are forgetting something… GW2 is a PVE game. What is this WvW you speak of?

If you want to know what classes are over powered or in the case of Flame Shot Warrior absolutely bugged (double hit with over 25k damage), just go watch Maguuma server and all the solo roamers, see what classes they are playing then you will know which ones are broken/over powered/cheese

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If you look at Anet’s history of how they made GW1, it’s pretty clear that power creep happens in their development cycle. They introduce new stuff and that new stuff will almost always be better than the old stuff.

If you played GW1 at any point after Nightfall’s release, then Prophecies was a complete piece of cake. With EotN, everything else became a complete piece of cake, even most hard mode content.

It’s a sad, unfortunate, but expected reality with how ArenaNet does things. They don’t have a vertical progression or a gear treadmill – they have a horizontal powercreep.

This is how Anet does things. And I had predicted such back in February.

It doesn’t surprise me.

And to those who are saying that people are not used to fighting the elite specs – this isn’t just a matter of PvP. Go into PvE and the elite specs will melt mobs while the core don’t – or at least, don’t as much. The sheer numbers is vastly greater in most (if not all) elite specs.

I’m sorry, but you should not be able to stand in a Legendary boss’s attacks without a care in the world like reapers can. As one example.

As a main necro, I find the obvious OP’ness of reapers to be… boring.

Which legendary foes are you just standing in their main attacks shrugged it off? Because I’ve been playing four different elite specs, and as an example the wyvern or the axe master, were downing people right and left with no effort, good lord the axe master literally did 1.8 million points of damage to me with its head shot ability. And the wyvern downed me several times along with everyone else in the fights I was in. So what legendary is it that you’re scoffing at?

Spicyhash.7605:

If not everyone is playing the elite specs then not everyone is overpowered. Where’s your rebuttal now?

I don’t need one. Your argument is comical, and everyone thinks everything new that they haven’t learned to counter is overpowered. Some of these specs haven’t even had a full 72 hours to simmer and you’re already saying they can’t be countered? I believe that you, like the rest of us, simply don’t know how to play against them yet.

It’s a good thing posters like you are the vocal minority and Anet has learned long ago not to pay too close attention to someone whose posts make up a quarter of the total posts in the thread he himself created.

Spicyhash.7605:

thanks for the great replies guys. it’s so refreshing to have people actually agree and not make low effort ‘L2P’ posts

No any great replies in ur thread, when i see peoples talking trash about stuff they dont even understand it just make me vomit.

Your L2p issue is right here, deal with it.

It’s L2P mostly on revenant

• shiro/glint has no condi defense
• glint/ventari and glint/jalis lack mobility and damage
• mallyx/glint is weak to boon corruption use it as soon as he gets out of mallyx.
• mallyx/shiro has no sustain

Any other relevant builds?

PS: any build without mallyxs can’t sustain condi spam

druid berserker dragonhunter and tempest all dont do more damage, or more powerful, than their original profession.

Varezenem.2813:

• shiro/glint has no condi defense

Glint heal will heal from condi damage and reverse a huge condi burst.

It’s still really L2P. None of the Elite specs are a problem besides Chronomancer and Herald and those are just because if you’re going to play that class you pretty much have to take that spec because there is no better alternative.

Also I think Gravity Well should have a larger CD but that’s just me.

Sinzaku.2980:

Spicyhash.7605:

thanks for the great replies guys. it’s so refreshing to have people actually agree and not make low effort ‘L2P’ posts

No any great replies in ur thread, when i see peoples talking trash about stuff they dont even understand it just make me vomit.

Your L2p issue is right here, deal with it.

I like you. We should duo sometime.

Sinzaku.2980:

Spicyhash.7605:

thanks for the great replies guys. it’s so refreshing to have people actually agree and not make low effort ‘L2P’ posts

No any great replies in ur thread, when i see peoples talking trash about stuff they dont even understand it just make me vomit.

Your L2p issue is right here, deal with it.

I totally believe with ANets horrible balance decisions in the past 3 years that huge changes in a beta are completely balanced and by launch they will be perfect regardless of the red flags just from glancing at their trait trees.

Conner.5803:

People are not used to fight these classes yet, so it may look very OP at this moment. Give it time. People will start making counter builds against them.

this.
this “power creep” would only affect pvp…give pvp time to adjust/react

Relshdan.6854:

Conner.5803:

People are not used to fight these classes yet, so it may look very OP at this moment. Give it time. People will start making counter builds against them.

this.
this “power creep” would only affect pvp…give pvp time to adjust/react

Please, I haven’t been wrong about meta changes once yet in 3 years regardless of all the white knights that are always defending any leaked patch notes.

Mallis.4295:

Varezenem.2813:

• shiro/glint has no condi defense

Glint heal will heal from condi damage and reverse a huge condi burst.

It’s still really L2P. None of the Elite specs are a problem besides Chronomancer and Herald and those are just because if you’re going to play that class you pretty much have to take that spec because there is no better alternative.

Also I think Gravity Well should have a larger CD but that’s just me.

You can only do it once every 30 sec and you can’t do it while channeling shiro. In other words if you want to condi burst do it right after he switched to shiro.

Vague Memory.2817:

I was about to post the same thing. Some of the elites are way too OP and way silly in combat mobility. Dragon hunters hitting for 16K with one invisible trap, and a Reverent who is so fast in combat that it has no counterplay. But so what as long as it sells HoT. I don’t get how they think this is acceptable. Do these specs get tested?

Revenant do have counter play and you just need to learn how to play one to be able to counter one. it is pretty basic and do not waste your dodge on useless stuff just like a nub. Revenant have no good sustain as dps build which is easy kill since they do not have condi cleanse if dps set which is the most annoying thing fora glint/shiro build. Revenant combo can be stopped by 1, knock them back, 2 dodge, 3 immunity, 4, fight them from a distance, 5 fight them while your invis, 6 out heal them with Ele since energy for Revenant is their source of function and does deplete really fast for only a few attack skills.

Amber.2637:

They do seem to have a lot going for them. My main is a guardian who I play as a tanky support, but after playing the druid and revenant, they seem very strong in comparison so far. The druid has a few issues of its own, like the celestial avatar meter building up too quickly when healing, but the burst is high. I might be wrong about this, but the revenant so far seems to take the guardian’s role and does a better job at it.

Actually, they go together like peanut butter and jelly. Guardian excels at a number of things Revenant isn’t so great at (stability (outside retribution trait line), condition clear, reflection) plus offer aegis, etc.

Revenant’s dps and mobility don’t come from the elite spec. And they are “elite” for a reason.

Forget the “elite specs are just more options” because it clearly only applies to dragonhunter.

Misguided.5139:

Amber.2637:

They do seem to have a lot going for them. My main is a guardian who I play as a tanky support, but after playing the druid and revenant, they seem very strong in comparison so far. The druid has a few issues of its own, like the celestial avatar meter building up too quickly when healing, but the burst is high. I might be wrong about this, but the revenant so far seems to take the guardian’s role and does a better job at it.

Actually, they go together like peanut butter and jelly. Guardian excels at a number of things Revenant isn’t so great at (stability (outside retribution trait line), condition clear, reflection) plus offer aegis, etc.

That is true. :P I was mostly worried about the Revenant’s condition clearing and powerful boon uptime in comparison to the Guardian. The Revenant’s Purifying Essence skill seems to be very good for removing conditions. I guess the small radius and the need to position it correctly are a bit of the downside though.

Amber.2637:

Misguided.5139:

Amber.2637:

They do seem to have a lot going for them. My main is a guardian who I play as a tanky support, but after playing the druid and revenant, they seem very strong in comparison so far. The druid has a few issues of its own, like the celestial avatar meter building up too quickly when healing, but the burst is high. I might be wrong about this, but the revenant so far seems to take the guardian’s role and does a better job at it.

Actually, they go together like peanut butter and jelly. Guardian excels at a number of things Revenant isn’t so great at (stability (outside retribution trait line), condition clear, reflection) plus offer aegis, etc.

That is true. :P I was mostly worried about the Revenant’s condition clearing and powerful boon uptime in comparison to the Guardian. The Revenant’s Purifying Essence skill seems to be very good for removing conditions. I guess the small radius and the need to position it correctly are a bit of the downside though.

I think the number of people using Ventari will be modest. Most popular build is liable to be Shiro/Glint, which has zero condition clear, aside from possible single condition removal on legend swap. And if they are using Ventari, they are giving up a lot of offense to do so. In that regard, it is fair that they’d be rather good at healing/support. Boon duration increase from Herald is great, and makes all that stability and protection a Guardian is putting out last longer.

I’m jumping from Guardian to Revenant, but for my money, there is ALWAYS going to be room for both in a group. Revenant is good at lots of things, but they aren’t really masters of most of them. For instance, a Herald can put out a nice chunk of might, but if you have a phalanx warrior, then can put their energy into fury instead. They can adapt to group composition, which is One of the things I like about them.

Tempest……….?

I think guys you’re overreacting with “Scumbag Anet gives OP stuff behind large paywall omg”. Compare them to Nexon or GameForge, these companies are hungry for your cash. Anet for me is pretty fair in their paying policy. Assuming that you are not kind of person that thinks they should get everything free because they have to be praised because of just playing the game. This is a company, they need your cash to keep you entertained.

Specializations are seeming OP because they’re elite, that means by default they’re higher than core specializations. Complaining that they’re stronger than regular specs is like complaing that warrior’s greatsword 2 deals big damage. Keep in mind we will get other elite specjalizations, and each one would be as OP as current elite specs. It’s just a way for anet to delevop existing classes furthet and further with each patch.

And a word OP is something very subjective. Just go to Revenant and Scrapper threads and you will find ppl that desperatly want to buff Revenant damage (“is to low, omg, warrior does better with gs, what’s the point”), or to give scrapper more damage and stuns, accompanied with even more mights. Ppl in this game are so obsessed with DPSing mobs down in seconds and they can’t see that such behavior is toxic for gameplay and makes content boring (with exception of high level fractals, without full DPS party you wont take down any boss with such big HP pool)

Chill out guys and wait with bashing company that gives you entertainment for 2 years straight without subscription fee for expansion release. When HoT comes live we’ll see how f2p accounts will be feeling, and how in fact everything will work.