Guild Wars 2

I went to three multi loots today, and was kicked for the following reasons:

1: 2min afk in subgroup 1/lobby, because I forgot my keys and ported back to Lions arch and was supposedly camping the lobby..

2: Apperantly loading a map for 7secs qualifies as horrendous loading times and gets you kicked.

3: Communicated my map was failing, left it and got kicked for abbondoning a promising map. With only 2 minutes left and south still on 80% ….

This organized exploiting of open world maps creates a toxicity and ruleset where apperantly it is okish to kick players for these reasons. Now it is something I experienced alot on other days as well but I never cared about it. Today however I realised in shock I was used to this type of behavior from commanders and multi loot guilds. It goes directly against the game arenanet wanted to create and the casual open world experience. I have yet to encounter such disgraceful behavior on a regular basis when raiding.

Just like queensdale, silver wastes, attack on lions arch, this oversight in the map reward structure creates conflicting incentives and a certain toxicity that does not belong in gw2’s openworld. For these reasons the multi looting needs to go. You can get 60 rares from 1 map for all I care to compensate these farmers, just remove this toxic environment.

I agree that the exploit should be fixed, but what baffles me is… why did you even do it? It’s a bit like saying, “I went to buy some drugs, and my drug dealer was rude to me. Crack down on drug use!”

I think the exploit should be fixed too, but I wouldn’t call that toxic. I’d call it strict. The rules are the rules and if you just decide to do what you want and everyone does, it all falls apart. Make an exception for one, and others end up suffering.

So they do what they do. You enter that arrangement with that understanding.

Ive yet to encounter a toxic ML lobby. If im too slow to get in a 2-3+ lobby then I get kicked which is fair. If I afk during the wait I get kicked is fair. But Ive had plent of times where I slacked heavily and wasnt kicked. So maybe youve just had unlucky ML lobbies, but most of the times, the ones I meet are just strict, far from toxic

DutchRiders.2871:

It goes directly against the game arenanet wanted to create and the casual open world experience.

I wouldn’t call it casual if the whole map has to work together and communicate to succeed.

Mr Lock.5079:

DutchRiders.2871:

It goes directly against the game arenanet wanted to create and the casual open world experience.

I wouldn’t call it casual if the whole map has to work together and communicate to succeed.

Actually, its the opposite, its the game anet designed to give players greater freedom, which includes the freedom to multiboot with strict rules. And be honest, if uou join a group and break their rules.. Why complain here to anet?

DutchRiders.2871:

the casual open world experience.

Well “casual open world experience” doesn’t mean you can join a group, break their rules by AFKing and get rewarded for it. ;-)

If you don’t like their rules you can organize your own group.

Well that is just how GW2 is now, sadly there are more toxic players than previously. I have also seen since the release of HoT more bad commanders than good, or just many that put up the tags but can’t command and when things go bad tag down and abandon.

Drakz.7051:

Well that is just how GW2 is now, sadly there are more toxic players than previously. I have also seen since the release of HoT more bad commanders than good, or just many that put up the tags but can’t command and when things go bad tag down and abandon.

what do you mean, ‘its how it is now, sadly’
Nothing’s changed, the auric basin is the same as before, people working together to get it done. In fact, now that the Multiloot Lobby-ing has become a thing, there are more servers with successful Vine kills than ever before.
In the first days you had to be lucky to get into 1 of the 1 to 3 maps that actually tried, let alone succeeded in it. now you have 8-12 maps that clear it. All thanks to an organized group that spreads itself out over these maps.

They should add a personal timer on those chests that reset after maybe 15+ minutes or something. That way it would not be worth it to farm it extensively and you’d still be able to play those maps the normal way without missing out on loot (perhapse some edge cases where it happens.. but not much harm would be done there).

Then again, you can’t fix toxic people. It’s the person behind the computer that’s the problem. AB just gives them a reason to show it.

The OP showed no evidence of toxicity. Rather, they demonstrated that they don’t understand how much work goes into making AB ML work in the first place. The efficiency of the system comes from everyone doing their part to stick to the plan — the squad leaders/lieutenants can’t read anyone’s mind; their job is to keep things moving, which allows for little time to consider why someone isn’t where they are supposed to be.

Thus, if you aren’t prepared for multi-loot, you shouldn’t be surprised at being kicked. That’s not toxic, that’s just how it’s designed to work. If you want casual, you just need to show up in AB at the right time (and, at worst, join an LFG).

I wouldn’t call that toxic. It’s about greed. The multi loot groups, which are pretty much the only groups that you see for the meta in Auric Basin are all about being able to loot as many instances as possible before the loot area closes off.

So anything that slows the group down is not acceptable. I do not know if ArenaNet has an easy solution for this multi loot thing but I’ve stopped joining these groups because of it. I don’t enjoy the attitude and greed. But it’s still a far cry from being toxic.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The OP showed no evidence of toxicity. Rather, they demonstrated that they don’t understand how much work goes into making AB ML work in the first place.

Work? Bahahahaha. Setting up a multiloot squad just requires you to hit the “create squad” button and make a LFG named “meta multi”. There is no work required, everyone just sorts themselves out already.

And you only really need 2 maps in a squad if you have multiple characters already loaded into AB in order to get the most out of it. Load screens are the true boss of that meta.

Azoqu.8917:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The OP showed no evidence of toxicity. Rather, they demonstrated that they don’t understand how much work goes into making AB ML work in the first place.

Work? Bahahahaha. Setting up a multiloot squad just requires you to hit the “create squad” button and make a LFG named “meta multi”. There is no work required, everyone just sorts themselves out already.

And you only really need 2 maps in a squad if you have multiple characters already loaded into AB in order to get the most out of it. Load screens are the true boss of that meta.

Seems like you are also in that same group who dont understand. Setting up a multi loot is easy, maintaining it is more involved and NO you can not rely on people to sort themselves out, it does not work.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

NO you can not rely on people to sort themselves out, it does not work.

It mostly works from the times I’ve done it.
You just need one active commander to start/oversee it.
Where I find it goes wrong is when some guy says “make me lt and I’ll sort people out”.
You should never, never give that guy any power.

People know they need to open chests, swap instances. Some can’t move to a lobby first and really.. who cares. Yet every time someone just goes from 2 to 3 there’ll be five people who grass them up. A good commander just ignores them, the usually terrible lt’s love the power to kick people.

When I was doing multimap I would hold an instance open and chat with the squad. I don’t run AB much anymore but if I did I wouldn’t bother making conversation or helping out. Good commander, fun group.. ruined by the idiot who asks for and gets the completely unnecessary power to kick people.

Don’t go along with “they”! Put keys in shared inventory slots, join LFG for a good instance (doesn’t necessarily have to be multi loot either), drop squad upon entering map, party with a friend/guildie and have them join you in map, beat instance and have your friend stay in the instance while you bring in other characters or vice versa. Create your own multi loot instance so to speak and avoid “they”, because “they” are ruining the game. This method, provided your load times aren’t bad guarantees atleast 3 toons being able to loot those chests and if you’re in a non multi loot instance, you just helped the other squadless people that didn’t map hop.

And that is why I don’t sell my dignity for some extra loot. (Usually)

But really, I’m not sure why you decided to join a group with a certain mentality that clearly you would not fit with.

Also, SW toxic? wat

Oh hey would you look at this…it’s the same problem rearing its head again.

The PvE community being hostile for loot. It’s almost like the rewards are out of proportion and the exploits have gone unchecked, again.

DutchRiders.2871:

I went to three multi loots today, and was kicked for the following reasons:

1: 2min afk in subgroup 1/lobby, because I forgot my keys and ported back to Lions arch and was supposedly camping the lobby..

2: Apperantly loading a map for 7secs qualifies as horrendous loading times and gets you kicked.

3: Communicated my map was failing, left it and got kicked for abbondoning a promising map. With only 2 minutes left and south still on 80% ….

Sounds like you joined a squad with a bad commander. I’ve blocked several rude multiloot comms. Better join a ML guild or stick with “good” comms (add them to friend list). Good ones don’t even kick for dc unless you don’t come back in a few minutes. I’ve been doing ML with friends / guild since forever without issues…

Yeah, it really boils down to the commanders and LT’s. They can make/break your AB MM experience. The cm can do his/her best, explain everything, but there will always be a few that may not have been paying attention, lazy, or simply not get it. If they bounce between maps wrong, the nicer groups will stick them in the ‘lobby’ and just let them do their thing. Or move them to the appropriate sub group, if it’s just a one off. I’ve been kicked by overzealous LT’s because I attempted to click one subgroup, the little group screen cycled and then I accidentally hit the wrong group. Didn’t even get a chance to correct my misclick. Quick message on the issue and all I got was snark back. Oh well…another group, another time. Sometimes, if you’re lucky, a quick look in LFG will have other MM’s still advertising, and then you’re right back into it.

As previously mentioned, there are now AB MM specific guilds advertising. I thought that was a pretty nice idea. You’d be less likely to get insta-kicked by folks in your own guild, if you’re really wanting to work on maintaining the AB MM paycheck.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

Azoqu.8917:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The OP showed no evidence of toxicity. Rather, they demonstrated that they don’t understand how much work goes into making AB ML work in the first place.

Work? Bahahahaha. Setting up a multiloot squad just requires you to hit the “create squad” button and make a LFG named “meta multi”. There is no work required, everyone just sorts themselves out already.

And you only really need 2 maps in a squad if you have multiple characters already loaded into AB in order to get the most out of it. Load screens are the true boss of that meta.

Seems like you are also in that same group who dont understand. Setting up a multi loot is easy, maintaining it is more involved and NO you can not rely on people to sort themselves out, it does not work.

To be fair, there are enough people who are experienced at ML that lots of groups will succeed just by setting up the squads and no maintenance is required. There’s no guarantee, however, that everyone will know how it works. There are always going to be new people.

We can’t know if the commander was too hasty to kick, but we do know that the OP didn’t sort themselves out, because they came unprepared (not enough keys).

I agree, multi loot are the most toxic snitch filled place I have ever seen.
One false step and you are dead. The elitism is great to the level they seem to favour botting for this trivial task.

But then It was only obvious no good thing could come from people who organize “multiloots”.

The squads you’re talking about are not toxic squads but the best squads.
Many players don’t join the subgroups or switch map without going in the group 1. The result is simple : you join the wrong map by joining the guy who left the map but who is still on the subgroup, and successful maps are lost.

In the squads where the commanders don’t kick, it’s the mess. I prefer strict squads than messy ones where you’ll miss 2 or 3 maps because people were unable or too selfish to respect the rules.

OP, do what I do and stop doing the AB meta. Seriously. Buy a chest for your home instance and occasionally do events/sell the zone currency to top off your key supply. If anet realizes only MLers are doing the meta maybe something will happen.

JPUlisses.8756:

I agree, multi loot are the most toxic snitch filled place I have ever seen.
One false step and you are dead. The elitism is great to the level they seem to favour botting for this trivial task.

But then It was only obvious no good thing could come from people who organize “multiloots”.

It’s funny because my game crashes when i multiloot, I come back, and I’m still in squad. And no comm has ever said anything to me about it.

Seems like you either arent communicating with the comm, or are camping lobby for a long time and getting mad when you get kicked. Either way its a personal issue between you and that commander. Don’t like it? Don’t do it.

But to sit here and call rules elitism? I can’t even.

I feel like complaining because you weren’t allowed to exploit is going to get you ridiculed, as has happened, but it does sound like you ran into a toxic MM squad. Sorry for your experience. Hope you get a better one next time, most aren’t like that.

Look, all this bickering in this forum is going nowhere
The gist is:

People organize to get a lot of loot from opening chests in many map copies.
To keep this organized they have a set of rules.
The problem here is, the OP things a group is toxic when OP doesn’t want to follow the rules.

So, I suggest to OP, join a group and follow their rules, or make your own group with your own rules.
Don’t join a group, not follow the rules, and then complain you get kicked.

As to everyone else, you can argue whether or not the ML thing is bad for the economy, is greedy or whatever, but thats not the point here. The point of this topic is, OP didn’t follow rules, got kicked for it, and then complained.

DutchRiders.2871:

I went to three multi loots today, and was kicked for the following reasons:

1: 2min afk in subgroup 1/lobby, because I forgot my keys and ported back to Lions arch and was supposedly camping the lobby..

2: Apperantly loading a map for 7secs qualifies as horrendous loading times and gets you kicked.

3: Communicated my map was failing, left it and got kicked for abbondoning a promising map. With only 2 minutes left and south still on 80% ….

1. Can happen to the best of us. Comm apparently didn’t ask what was going on but assumed something and kicked. Unfortunate, but both positions can be argued for.

2. A kick for a 7 second loading screen is just ridiculous.

3. If any comm thinks a map with 2 minutes left and south still on 80% is a promising map, they are not just a kitten, but a whole basket full of kittens (yes, I actually typed kittens here, so nothing is censored).

Lots of loot and gold gives people a one track mind and cancels out everyone else. With the exception of number 1 (which is just a case of non-communication) these kicks seem unwarranted to me as well. And I doubt these rules were mentioned at all, anywhere. This has nothing to do with OP refusing to abide by the squad’s rules. It’s just an example of a comm without a grain of empathy or consideration, in my not so humble opinion.

Edit: I do the Tarir event on an almost daily basis. I don’t participate in the multiloot thing. I also don’t join a squad. Well, only to taxi into a good map. A squad is completely unnecessary if you’re not participating in the multiloot thing.

I did quite a bit of multi-looting before LS3 launched and I had one very entertaining experience where I joined a squad to find the comm declaring that he was the most unforgiving kitten ever and that we should expect to be kicked without warning and with no reasons given and then listing more rules than usual. He was so OTT it was proper funny so I stuck around.

The thing is, he was true to his word. Players were kicked all over the place and the comm was constantly ranting in chat about stuff. It sounds odd but I thoroughly enjoyed the challenge of not getting kicked. The loot was OK rather than spectacular but the backdrop of a constantly cycling squad was just funny. I eventually got kicked a with a couple of minutes left but I was strangely satisfied.

It’s a reminder that we shouldn’t take it too seriously.

I did one of these multimaps once and got kicked. I have no idea why. I assume group 1 is the lobby and I’m supposed to go to the lobby to switch maps, then go to the group for the map im on? Well I did that, but it took me half a second to actually switch groups and that half second was apparently so incredibly horribly destructive to the rest of the squad that I just had to be removed immediately before everything falls apart…

So because you got kicked from a few maps it’s now toxic? Every game has toxic people and you will come across them -does it suck? Sure, but not everyone is like that.

I don’t Multi-loot very often but when I have all the commanders were civil and as long as people followed directions they didn’t care. Most will boot you for the groups sake (if you don’t follow directions) but tell you can rejoin, aka it’s nothing personal they just want to keep things functioning accordingly.

If you don’t like AB Multi-Map don’t join it. You can still join a successful map and do one on your own. And all these people crying wolf about this being an exploit, what the hell is wrong with you? If people like farming it then so be it – why do you need to impinge on what they enjoy?

If you don’t like AB, you can farm SW, DT, Fractals, Dungeons, Gamble in the forge/ecto, play the TP, Speculate…etc… All of which are equally if not more rewarding.

And if you are really going to argue that it ruins the economy, then you are spatting nonsense. With all the insider trading that does actually go on, the vast disparity of wealth that mimics real life and everything else…you are actually trying to state that THIS destroys the economy? This is a game and people play it to have fun, not a real world simulation.

Seriously, get off your high horses.

Roquen.5406:

And if you are really going to argue that it ruins the economy, then you are spatting nonsense. With all the insider trading that does actually go on, the vast disparity of wealth that mimics real life and everything else…you are actually trying to state that THIS destroys the economy? This is a game and people play it to have fun, not a real world simulation.

I agree with the other things you wrote, except for this.

• However much people have been accused of using insider trading, AB MultiLoot completely dwarfs the total amount of wealth involved. At worst, a handful of people can take advantage of early information before the market catches up, compared to thousands participating in AB/ML.
• AB/ML has a clear impact on the economy: as its popularity has increased, the price of ecto has dropped. While I agree it hasn’t “harmed” the economy, it’s misleading to suggest it has no effect.

Again, I agree with your main point that people are overreacting to the handful of extremely aggressive leaders that might be /kicking folks too quickly — that, alone, doesn’t qualify as toxic behavior. (Annoying to the individuals affected, but not making it impossible for others to ML.)

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I agree with the other things you wrote, except for this.

• However much people have been accused of using insider trading, AB MultiLoot completely dwarfs the total amount of wealth involved. At worst, a handful of people can take advantage of early information before the market catches up, compared to thousands participating in AB/ML.
• AB/ML has a clear impact on the economy: as its popularity has increased, the price of ecto has dropped. While I agree it hasn’t “harmed” the economy, it’s misleading to suggest it has no effect.

Again, I agree with your main point that people are overreacting to the handful of extremely aggressive leaders that might be /kicking folks too quickly — that, alone, doesn’t qualify as toxic behavior. (Annoying to the individuals affected, but not making it impossible for others to ML.)

I don’t think I ever said or suggested it has no effect. People are up in arms that AB/ML is destroying the economy and I simply disagree.

You state that the insider trading only affects a small portion of wealth. But I know of 4 guildies/friends that made about 2k each just from the most recent “leak”. And far more than that profited. Even if there were only 50 people total… That could be well into the 50,000-100,000g range. And these leaks happen all the time.

The Halloween skins, the dyes, mystic coins, endless batwing brew, SAB mini pieces… Etc. Hell one guildie made close to 7k off just those batwing tonics and they flat out told us that they were told what it would be used for beforehand.

And yes before anyone tells me off, I am aware that there are people who are just good at speculating but that doesn’t change the fact that insider trading is going on and is pretty rampant and they definitely affect the economy.

the only people who complain about mutliloot being a exploit are people who can make gold efficiently elsewhere and want to sell their stockpiles of ectoplasm so they make a large profit. greed. just want to point this out. otherwise no one complains about free stuff. someone is handing out 20’s are you gonna complain about how they shouldnt be doing that?

DoctorDing.5890:

I did quite a bit of multi-looting before LS3 launched and I had one very entertaining experience where I joined a squad to find the comm declaring that he was the most unforgiving kitten ever and that we should expect to be kicked without warning and with no reasons given and then listing more rules than usual. He was so OTT it was proper funny so I stuck around.

That is TOO funny. Usually when I am commanding something I am busy paying attention to many things at once (‘where are the NPCs we are guarding?’ ‘where are the mobs?’ ‘where is the squad?’ ‘where is my tag showing if more people need to be nearer the NPCs’ etc) so anything I type to the squad had better be VERY important.

Noob when it comes to this stuff…could someone please ELI5 what multilooting is? I’ve seen many AB maps with multiloot squads but I don’t know what that means.

Glenstorm.4059:

Noob when it comes to this stuff…could someone please ELI5 what multilooting is? I’ve seen many AB maps with multiloot squads but I don’t know what that means.

Multiloot is when people jump between successfully completed AB maps and loot all chests.

DutchRiders.2871:

3: Communicated my map was failing, left it and got kicked for abbondoning a promising map. With only 2 minutes left and south still on 80% ….

I’ve been kicked for this before. Though it varies depending on the commander. Seen some commanders that encourage abandoning failing maps to that degree while others want people to stick in failing maps until the event is over or else they kick.

Wouldn’t call that toxic, more like lack of communication on the commander’s part on their preference on failing maps, or if they did mention it, you missed reading it or should ask if unsure.