Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns is like a five star meals in France. It’s something special. Not you’re run of the mill trash, grind-fest MMO. There are a group of MMO gamers who move in swarms. They come into an new game devour it over the course of a month then they move on. We’re all glad you bought the game and look forward to seeing you again for Raids, but for many of us it’s a bit hard to respect someone who rushes though so quickly. It’s a bit like watching someone sit down and in your favorite upscale restaurant and play their own Man vs Food challenge, scarfing everything down.

No it’s not quite the same, but it is int he same ballpark at least from the perspective of those who manage our time and have adult commitments. Why do we care? Well if you’re new to the game you should go back and watch ArenaNet’s manifesto behind the core game. They put out a vision with tenants of making a anti-grind MMO for everyone. At it’s very core GW2 is designed to be challenging but to never loose it’s causal and simi-casual appeal. Those of us who bought into the game on those merits hold GW2 to a higher standard because ArenaNet was brave and innovative enough to build something that didn’t appeal to the hardcore swarm.

Getting back to the fine dining analogy. Hear reports of playing rushing the content and finishing 3 days in, 5 days in, etc.. I could be wrong, but I honestly don’t think most of the player base has envy for you’re “achievement” I think a good number of us are looking at you as a adult would glare at someone else’s child scarfing down a fine meal. Out of place for us to say anything to be rude but it’s annoying to watch no less and annoying not for the reasons you might have hopped it would be.

The tuning/balancing they are doing now is because ArenaNet is a company that does actually care about their manifesto. I imagine they knew the hardcore swarm would stampede through the gates like cattle and go at it non-stop. I’m sure you had a blast doing that. While you were doing that no doubt ArenaNet was gathering all kinds of data. Data on how long events took to complete, what kind of parties were involved, armor sets on players. The deep analytic tools + machine learning data science offers now is incredibly. The tuning they are doing is a result of your hard work. They know where they want the game to be. You got your reward for staying up 48 hours+ just blast though the content. Now they are just getting the game where it needs to be

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns is like a five star meals in France. It’s something special. Not you’re run of the mill trash, grind-fest MMO. There are a group of MMO gamers who move in swarms. They come into an new game devour it over the course of a month then they move on. We’re all glad you bought the game and look forward to seeing you again for Raids, but for many of us it’s a bit hard to respect someone who rushes though so quickly. It’s a bit like watching someone sit down and in your favorite upscale restaurant and play their own Man vs Food challenge, scarfing everything down.

Someone is sounding very conceited at this moment in time right now. Of course there’s a majority of players who don’t particularly like those other players who are pushing through, devouring the meal like pigs, and I hope they don’t ask for more when they should have taken their time with the meal. But don’t misrepresent the numbers here and what ground you stand on.

No it’s not quite the same, but it is int he same ballpark at least from the perspective of those who manage our time and have adult commitments. Why do we care? Well if you’re new to the game you should go back and watch ArenaNet’s manifesto behind the core game. They put out a vision with tenants of making an anti-grind MMO for everyone. At it’s very core GW2 is designed to be challenging but to never lose its casual and semi-casual appeal. Those of us who bought into the game on those merits hold GW2 to a higher standard because ArenaNet was brave and innovative enough to build something that didn’t appeal to the hardcore swarm.

I always like how many times players will bring up the Manifesto, as if it were the literal law of the game rather than consistent guidelines around its decisions which they have done a remarkable job on following a vast majority of the time. That there could never be a progression of difficulty that started at an extremely attractable level for players of all skill levels, which in turn would steadily rise slowly over the years as quite a vocal amount from all these skill levels start to realize that they wanted more.

But go ahead and continue.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Getting back to the fine dining analogy. Hear reports of playing rushing the content and finishing 3 days in, 5 days in, etc.. I could be wrong, but I honestly don’t think most of the player base has envy for you’re “achievement” I think a good number of us are looking at you as a adult would glare at someone else’s child scarfing down a fine meal. Out of place for us to say anything to be rude but it’s annoying to watch no less and annoying not for the reasons you might have hopped it would be.

Can we step it back a bit? I think I only saw…one thread of someone that has actually completed the full content. Talking like 100+ level masteries here, and between the whole CoF ‘Grinding’ (ughhhhh) and HoT, I doubt the number of players you are implicating in this thread is as high as you are leading on…

Unless you are referring to some other lesser extent of content?

SamTheGuardian.2938:

The tuning/balancing they are doing now is because ArenaNet is a company that does actually care about their manifesto. I imagine they knew the hardcore swarm would stampede through the gates like cattle and go at it non-stop. I’m sure you had a blast doing that. While you were doing that no doubt ArenaNet was gathering all kinds of data. Data on how long events took to complete, what kind of parties were involved, armor sets on players. The deep analytic tools + machine learning data science offers now is incredibly. The tuning they are doing is a result of your hard work. They know where they want the game to be. You got your reward for staying up 48 hours+ just blast though the content. Now they are just getting the game where it needs to be.

Awesome, I hope they get it right as well and…don’t touch the following outside of debilitating game-breaking bugs:

- Mastery Experience Per Level
- Mob Density and Difficulty
- Hero Point Difficulty

It is still under a week, the biggest hurdle and fun factor for many players which were the extent of Hero Points to receive the full Elite Specialization has been properly adjusted given player feedback from both sides and Internal Team discussion.

The rest will take far longer to discuss, as unlike the quality of life change for the Hero Point Reduction, the three mentioned above correlate directly to the goals of what the Expansion would provide, long-lasting challenging end-game content. I wouldn’t want anything else changed for weeks.

It would be akin to customers complaining about a five-star meal not having four-star quality meat, something they prefer to have (for reasons of taste, smell, anything really) but demand the meal to be changed for everyone else as well going forward. As you can imagine not many people would be happy with this change, hence two large groups of people bicker and its difficult for the chefs to determine what to do, ergo for now they need to continue serving the five-star meal and get much, much more feedback.

El oh el.

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Sykper.6583:

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns is like a five star meals in France. It’s something special. Not you’re run of the mill trash, grind-fest MMO. There are a group of MMO gamers who move in swarms. They come into an new game devour it over the course of a month then they move on. We’re all glad you bought the game and look forward to seeing you again for Raids, but for many of us it’s a bit hard to respect someone who rushes though so quickly. It’s a bit like watching someone sit down and in your favorite upscale restaurant and play their own Man vs Food challenge, scarfing everything down.

Someone is sounding very conceited at this moment in time right now. Of course there’s a majority of players who don’t particularly like those other players who are pushing through, devouring the meal like pigs, and I hope they don’t ask for more when they should have taken their time with the meal. But don’t misrepresent the numbers here and what ground you stand on.

If you think I was trying to state my views represented all casual players or even that it was targeted to all hardcore players, then you misunderstood. I am speaking to a group of them who swarm it. There is a large group who swarm in, rush though the content then go back to playing game X or whatever hot new game of the month arrives. They may return when Raids are unlocked. I believe I’m describing the majority of the hardcore crowd (or at least the majority in GW2 core game). They rush in, finish, bore easy, leave. While there is nothing unethical about what they are doing the reality is that type of gamer is not sticking around to really take in everything as that was never their intention. Taking your time with something, be at fine meal, a fine scotch or even a game shows a level of respect for that thing. Rushing it is the opposite. When someone disrespects something you care about it’s frustrating.

I take nothing back, their behavior is analogous to a child scarfing down a meal.

The manifesto defined a vision for how GW2 would be different from other other grind-fest mindless trash MMO on the market. It was a set of tenants that defined the values the design team would hold to. Anti-grind and causal friendly were two of those leading tenants. They have done an excellent job sticking to their manifesto with minor exception.

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I’m just glad that without the hero spec grind, I can finally enjoy the new maps. It isn’t so bad (well, not tangled depths, anyway) when the entirety of the game exists to restrict you from playing.

Well,
some of us are so curious about what happens in the story and we also want to avoid being spoiled at some point by accidentally clicking on something that we shouldn’t.

So.
I can’t share your mindset.
Whatever man.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns is like a five star meals in France.

It’s overpriced, overrated, and very likely insanitary?

GW2 is play how you want… if people want to play it all as fast as they can, they can do that. They paid for the game just like you did. Honestly the story isn’t that long, and its not as gated as the core PS is now. You sound really self-righteous TBH.

I personally finished the story tonight because I don’t want the ending to be spoiled by some troll. Someone pretended to do that in map chat the other night by correctly stating one major event, and making up some others along with the end. For me, I wanted to get it out of the way to I can focus on playing the meta events on the new maps.

I highly doubt a lot of people “rushing through” the content is looking for recognition as you seem to perceive.

dear op
ima play my game
how i wanna play my game
thanks

Personally, I am VERY glad to have rushed through the story. It gave me so much more freedom to look at map chat, read ‘spoiler’ threads on the forum and not restrict myself with what I let myself see. If I finish the story in a couple of days I can go back to normal and look at whatever I want because I have already seen it for myself.

I am also glad to be in the process of rushing all the achievements in the new maps. This is because I have always wanted to be one of the first to achieve stuff since I got this game and HoT is no exception. AP is extremely valuable to me and is the only real long term goal I feel I still have with how much I have played already. Admittedly, I will never be one of the very first, as in top 100 kind of players, but at least being in maybe the top 5% is very good for me.

Another reason I like rushing through stuff is because after I have finished, that is when I can really explore and take in the beauty of new zones and do events for fun, not just because there is 5AP for finishing them all.
OP, I see why you don’t like rushing through and taking in the new zones (which I think are amazing), but for people like me who feel a need to be one of the first to do every new thing released in game, it is necessary to rush so then we can do what you are doing, just enjoying the expansion, after we have finished.

Conncept.7638:

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns is like a five star meals in France.

It’s overpriced, overrated, and very likely insanitary?

And contain frogs.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Taking your time with something, be at fine meal, a fine scotch or even a game shows a level of respect for that thing. Rushing it is the opposite. When someone disrespects something you care about it’s frustrating.

I take nothing back, their behavior is analogous to a child scarfing down a meal.

I am sitting here laughing, because… what? XD

To give you a similarly mature response… you’re neither my mum nor my boss, so you don’t get to tell me how to play

Disrespect… seriously, what even… I don’t think “respect” works the way you think it does. I can eat a five-star steak in the same amount of time I need to eat a home-made pizza – which says absolutely nothing about how much I respect either meal and the people who made it, but a lot about how hungry I am.

You do realise different people enjoy things differently, right? If you want to take until Christmas to finish HoT in its current state, fine, do your thing. Just don’t assume yours is the only “right” way to do it, because it’s really, really not.

Sounds like GOTY winner, heard it here first guys.

I always dress up in a Tuxedo when playing HoT to show my respect for the game.

cool, some random guy on the internet knows “the right way to play a game”. Inform the High Council of the gaming industry.

Why are you telling others how they should play the game they bought OP?

Some people like to rush and powergame. If that’s not your thing that’s ok but why do you feel the need to criticize others for their preferred gamestyle?