Guild Wars 2

I have never seen the Meta event of VB actually complete, I have never even seen it hit Security level 2. I feel like this is bad design and really needs to have some more balance to it. I think the expectations are to much for an open world game that relies on everybody to do the right things. That expectation is to high. I really think they either need to increase the night time timer by 3 more hours or, or make the requirements for the security levels a whole lot lower.

I hope Arenanet is watching what is going on and eventually make more appropriate requirements or increase the timer.

There are 4 total levels of security, right? I’ve seen Tier 3 a couple of times, but I’ve never seen Tier 4.

Never getting to level 2 is super bad.

If you never get to Security Level 2, that’s bad luck.

The maps I’m in often reach very high.

They need to scale the requirements based on the number of people actively participating, and then also have reasonable expectations. Cause yeah, I have never seen it hit level 2. It is becoming to the point of being discouraging and thinking “whats the point”, no matter how hard I work, how hard I get things completed, it all doesn’t matter in the end.

They seriously need to look into this.

I’m sure in their internal testing they felt it was ok, but I am sure everyone in their internal testing were working together since they all know each other, and had a specific testing goal to do it. But in the real world, these expectations are unreasonable.

Got to max tonight, lots of people got Bladed Chest box (including me yay).

Spread out and do all the Events you can (hold the camps, get them tiered up) and kill all 5 bosses and you should be fine.

If you’re on a random map you won’t progress very far. The events themselves are quite easy, you just need a full map, or map of people actually trying to progress it. Join a group that has a taxi and you’re almost 100% guaranteed to finish the meta. It’s very easy if people spread out properly.

Coulter.2315:

Got to max tonight, lots of people got Bladed Chest box (including me yay).

Spread out and do all the Events you can (hold the camps, get them tiered up) and kill all 5 bosses and you should be fine.

I can’t do that all by myself, I have to rely on everybody else on the map to do their part, and it isn’t happening.

I think this can only be fixed by having reasonable expectations based on the number of people actively participating.

eisberg.2379:

Coulter.2315:

Got to max tonight, lots of people got Bladed Chest box (including me yay).

Spread out and do all the Events you can (hold the camps, get them tiered up) and kill all 5 bosses and you should be fine.

I can’t do that all by myself, I have to rely on everybody else on the map to do their part, and it isn’t happening.

I think this can only be fixed by having reasonable expectations based on the number of people actively participating.

It’s like vinewrath. You won’t finish it on a random map, but every serious map is an auto finish. VB is not a difficult meta.

Completed it yesterday. It takes a concerted effort and a lot of spread out commanders. I participated in two different boss kills and we got them all down with like 2-3 minutes to spare. I honestly don’t remember what the security level was..

I think this meta will be completed in almost every map after a few months. It seems like the biggest thing is just getting commanders to tag up and camp key outposts.

Since players will have this down eventually, the true concern is whether they will care in a month or two.

eisberg.2379:

I can’t do that all by myself, I have to rely on everybody else on the map to do their part

You’re 100% correct, nothing to fix.

Try taxiing people in, getting a group together to defend a location, shouting out how areas are doing in map chat, try to get people to tag up and claim areas, give directions, inspire the troops!

Fluffball.8307:

eisberg.2379:

Coulter.2315:

Got to max tonight, lots of people got Bladed Chest box (including me yay).

Spread out and do all the Events you can (hold the camps, get them tiered up) and kill all 5 bosses and you should be fine.

I can’t do that all by myself, I have to rely on everybody else on the map to do their part, and it isn’t happening.

I think this can only be fixed by having reasonable expectations based on the number of people actively participating.

It’s like vinewrath. You won’t finish it on a random map, but every serious map is an auto finish. VB is not a difficult meta.

Can’t change maps unless it asks me to. So how does one get to a “serious” map? “Serious” maps must be very rare, cause in all of this time I have never seen it get past security level 1.

Also if a full map is needed, that alone is an unreasonable expectations, cause that means only people who play at the right prime time hours have a small chance of it actually completing, everybody else who doesn’t play at those right prime time hours have no chance.

I guess what makes this most annoying is there is a really nice reward for completing it, but it becomes artificially blocked by other players no matter how hard or effort I put into it.

So if they want to keep it the way it is now, then just move that bladed coat box to a vendor like the other pieces.

eisberg.2379:

Fluffball.8307:

eisberg.2379:

Coulter.2315:

Got to max tonight, lots of people got Bladed Chest box (including me yay).

Spread out and do all the Events you can (hold the camps, get them tiered up) and kill all 5 bosses and you should be fine.

I can’t do that all by myself, I have to rely on everybody else on the map to do their part, and it isn’t happening.

I think this can only be fixed by having reasonable expectations based on the number of people actively participating.

It’s like vinewrath. You won’t finish it on a random map, but every serious map is an auto finish. VB is not a difficult meta.

Can’t change maps unless it asks me to. So how does one get to a “serious” map? “Serious” maps must be very rare, cause in all of this time I have never seen it get past security level 1.

Also if a full map is needed, that alone is an unreasonable expectations, cause that means only people who play at the right prime time hours have a small chance of it actually completing, everybody else who doesn’t play at those right prime time hours have no chance.

I guess what makes this most annoying is there is a really nice reward for completing it, but it becomes artificially blocked by other players no matter how hard or effort I put into it.

So if they want to keep it the way it is now, then just move that bladed coat box to a vendor like the other pieces.

Look in LFG for people advertising for VB meta groups, join and go to their map if yours isn’t looking good.

We’re giving you solutions no need to beg for nerfs before you try them.

eisberg.2379:

Can’t change maps unless it asks me to. So how does one get to a “serious” map? “Serious” maps must be very rare, cause in all of this time I have never seen it get past security level 1.

Ok there is your problem. If you’re new to big meta events like vinewrath, tequatl, and so on, you need to join a “Looking for Group” party. Then join your party in that map instance. That’s how people get maps full of others interested in completing the event, otherwise just assume your in a map where people want to do hero challenges and what not.

eisberg.2379:

Also if a full map is needed, that alone is an unreasonable expectations, cause that means only people who play at the right prime time hours have a small chance of it actually completing, everybody else who doesn’t play at those right prime time hours have no chance.

It’s not unreasonable because it happens 24/7 with very little effort. Hell, if you’re online now I’d be game to complete it with you, just send me a whisper. You just need to join a party that wants to do it.

Been t4 3 times now. You just have to find an instance listed as t4 and not “All bosses.”

“All bosses” instances seem to mostly just be zergs.

did it last night (probably in the same map as some of the other posters). Guy in LFG said “we are pushing for T4 VB” So, I joined, there was some minor amount of map chat going on and we finished smoothly with a few minutes of extra champs and airship supply gathering while waiting for the final chest. Overall pretty smooth. Dont know if there were some commanders on TS or not, but there was never any mention of that.

I saw it get a hair’s breath away from T4 once, by being in a map dedicated to the cause for a couple hours from day through night.

Another time, we tried to be ready and taxi people and stuff, but there was a lot of awful gameplay at defending rally points and people didn’t want to spread out to defend points, or they would help take back a lost point, but then not stick around to defend.

You have to get a map of people who care and who know what they’re doing a little bit, too.

I see no problem with a meta event being hard. Players will get it sooner or later.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I see no problem with a meta event being hard. Players will get it sooner or later.

It’s not even sooner or later, just taxi in and you win. VB is the easiest of the 4 maps, followed very closely by DS.

It’s not hard. People are just lazy/don’t care…

I’ve only been in one map that’s reached T4 but it was very easy to do when people actually felt the initiative to do it. Everyone is just used to zerging so they all pile up in one place neglecting to defend camps/escort guards which causes the map to fail or they just AFK until the legendary’s spawn.

VB seems to be more of a farm map where as the others are taken more seriously. Its unfortunate because getting the night cycle to T4 is the only way to obtain the Bladed coat and some of us are grinding for that which depends on the co-operation of an entire map.

I got in my first organized map last night, was having fun helping out, we were at tier 2 and I headed up to the Patriarch. Bombed him, more fun, and when his shield poofed I landed on his platform to continue the fight.

Hello, pop up game crash window …

When I logged back in I was in an empty map on a platform clear of any Patriarchal combat.

I guess I’ll try the LFG taxi route, though I really did want to be part of a full chain working it up to 4.

Donari.5237:

I got in my first organized map last night, was having fun helping out, we were at tier 2 and I headed up to the Patriarch. Bombed him, more fun, and when his shield poofed I landed on his platform to continue the fight.

Hello, pop up game crash window …

When I logged back in I was in an empty map on a platform clear of any Patriarchal combat.

I guess I’ll try the LFG taxi route, though I really did want to be part of a full chain working it up to 4.

It’s super important to get into a party so you can get back in after a crash. Until they fix this ridiculous memory problem, you will crash before the meta ends.

I’ve seen level 4 multiple times in a row. There’s a certain faction of players who like to do a “push map” and will fan out and pester everyone to be in specific spots. It does certainly multiply the rewards.

You need a fair number of people on the map and several kitten herders to make it happen.

Fluffball.8307:

It’s super important to get into a party so you can get back in after a crash. Until they fix this ridiculous memory problem, you will crash before the meta ends.

Oh, I know. I was in a party with a guildie … who just didn’t happen to be in my map (and he crashes far more than me so he’d be an iffy safety line). I hadn’t actually intended to do the events as I was going for map completion, but when I saw organization I joined in. I told guildies on Mumble I had an organized map, too, but they had other plans just then. Ah well!

I will definitely look for a taxi in that will let me stay grouped when next I have the time.

What I do is taxi in, leave the party so more people can taxi, and then make a new party with the people in my area.

I was on a T4 map last night, got the bladed chest (although I don’t know why anyone want them, they all look hideous). The important thing is to make sure that ever one of the sky bosses has enough people on it, and that they all have the necessary skills to accomplish the task (ie Updraft and ideally Advanced on the Patriarch, Stealthvision on the axe guy, etc.).

I do think that the game suffers from having poor “map choice” options, if you aren’t on the sort of map you want, you have very little recourse for changing maps unless someone is offering taxis. They really need to fix that, offering a true “pick your map off this list” option.

PLEASE! Do something with night meta…. day takes too long, everybody leaves!!!!! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE PLAYING! EVER!

Ohoni.6057:

I was on a T4 map last night, got the bladed chest (although I don’t know why anyone want them, they all look hideous)

The light armor one makes human females look…. “interesting” if you catch my drift. Really weird that it seems to change your anatomy. Or maybe I just am used to not dressing my characters like ladies of the night.

I’ve started using the LFG in-game tool for VB and AB.
I have seen security level 2 on VB but never 3. And I have yet to see a successful completion of AB. I have deep guilt and shame because of all the Exalted that have perished to save us.

Seriously, last night, I noticed many LFG requests for VB security level 4 and AB Tarir. maybe try those.

We just did this as a guild last night, and I think in the long term I may end up liking it even more than Dragon’s Stand, overall. It requires you to spread yourselves a lot more thinly and pay more attention (at least at nighttime) than something like Dragon’s stand, which once people have the strats ingrained will become pretty facerolly. Unfortunately a lot of people seemed to lose interest midway through so organization at nighttime kinda fell apart and we went into triage mode, but still managed to get to max security level and down all the bosses with about 5 minutes remaining. But that’s probably a lot more fun than 80 people cleanly splitting up into 16 groups and defending a specific rally point. Still, those events are fairly challenging with 5.

The cheers on TS when we all got our bladed coat were pretty great.

Unfortunately, while I do like the guaranteed reward of the bladed coat, I think there needs to be a bit more besides that to keep people doing it after they get the skins they want. How many airship parts does doing the whole thing get you? I didn’t take note. I really loved the frantic action of trying to work in tiny groups of 2-3 to retake and hold areas, and will definitely do better next time when I adapt my build for those sorts of situations.

Got my blade chest today. It’s a matter of coordination across the map and having people willing to spread and most importantly run supply during the night. Really help if you have five commanders on the map.

The light armor one makes human females look…. “interesting” if you catch my drift. Really weird that it seems to change your anatomy. Or maybe I just am used to not dressing my characters like ladies of the night.

It’s a push-up, hopefully not involving blades. Still looks kind of silly though. Really the bladed armors would all look pretty cool if they just removed all the random blades everywhere.

I think it will make those saurians think twice before rolling on you!

From my experience most Open Worlders are used to a certain difficulty setting, that’s why your Meta’s don’t progress far in VB, and why there are so many failed Meta events in AB,TD, and DS; add to that the fact that Meta Event fails do not provide rewards you might ask your self why bother playing the new maps.

I remember when I first started playing GW2 two years ago and I found that the Open World end game was the Queensdale Champ train, after I hit level 80 and went through an empty Orr I wondered why no one was chilling in the old end game area.

Turns out when GW2 was first released Orr used to be a grueling punishing place, if you wanted to chill and just kill big bosses, or open loot you could find a much easier time in Champ Trains, or the World Boss circuit.

Do you think history might be repeating it’s self?

Beats me I’m playing something else now, but I’ve still been keeping tabs.

OK, after I had some sleep and my furious mood is gone I want to say this:

ArenaNet, please try to review Verdant Brink, or the functionality of megaserver maps + participation values.

In 99% instances (and nobody, not even you can change it) people leave Verdant Brink after succesful Day cycle with T4 security. Little chest box says that there is a chance for coat box, but frankly, almost nobody ever got one. After this 60-minutes long sprint, of spamming map chat (because there are zero tools how to coordinate people…commander icon is actually making this map harder), people just leave, because they are tired… it is a long cycle!
Don’t get me wrong, night cycle is awesome and fun, but the maps are half empty… and LFG tool very rarely shows some people taxiing people in.

Please, do something about it, rebalance it… I won’t say you how; you have more experience with it, but this clearly does not work out… After T4, everyone leaves.

Yeah, and locking that Axeman boss behind high tier mastery….wrong choice guys… you can do this in the third or fourth map, where it makes more sense that people are almost fully mastered, but in the first map…not really. It should just a little harder than Silverwastes.

I’m not stating this as an ultimatum, but until you do something about this, I refuse to play HoT maps anymore. I will play fractals, I will craft legendary, I will level up my revenant… Thankfully, that is more than enough to keep me entertained.

edit: As our fellow player stated right above my post: there is zero time to chill out…those events are like, as my girlfriend put it, never-ending sprint.

First of all, this is not the kind of map where you can trust on others. Yes, you need a full map, but if everyone stands next to each other and looks at one person doing all the work, then you aren’t doing very much. (I’ve seen to many people rely on just commanders.)

Things you HAVE to DO on this map:

Taxi people in yourself. Again, don’t depend on others. Taxi taxi taxi. You have a party of three and you’re not sure if the map is full, refresh your LF group again. I’ve seen times that people say that the map is full, only for one to join my three player party again after a minute or two.

If you have a mentor tag, and know what to do, TAG UP. No matter if you are a commander or a mentor, when night time comes, go to a camp and tag up. This way people will know where to go. There are 20 camps in total. So spread out.

Keep map chat alive. Let people know where you are, what events are being done, how much percent, and what to do. Again, don’t depend on others to do this, because some people aren’t even used to using map chat. (my biggest fear is that they don’t even have it turned on…)

Spread out and HELP for supply runs. Sometimes a crash happens and there are loads of supplies. Pass it trough on chat where and how much. It helps to bring up the defenses. You need t4/t5.

A lot depends on YOU. As a player, as a participant.

Right:
“What I do is taxi in, leave the party so more people can taxi, and then make a new party with the people in my area.”

Wrong:
“PLEASE! Do something with night meta…. day takes too long, everybody leaves!!!!! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE PLAYING! EVER!”

Coordination and self effort goes a long way…
And yes, it’s a long event, but then again, those that sacrafice themselves to do another round and get fresh people in, to those I say: respect.
It would be perfect if some led the others for a cycle, do two cycles and then leave. While those others take their place for a new round of two cycles. So that the map stays active.

Then again, “LFG going for Nighttime t4 organized”… if there were as many of those as there were “SW 90%”, we’d be in heaven.

All the metas require excellent cooperation, just taxi people in for it and you’ll end up with a map full of people wanting tier 4. I personally haven’t gotten there, only have done auric basin and Dragon stand at this point.

One thing that absolutely makes me raging is the Day Cycle. It’s tedious, takes too long, and unrewarding.
Another thing is that all the effort can go down into the toilet if Night Cycle failed.
Difficulty is ok. Coordination is ok. The work to activate Night Cycle is NOT OKAY.
I just had an organized map that worked hard in Day cycle, but the Wyvern boss decided to troll everyone by spawn under the platform aka impossible to kill. We had to stuck at T3 forever.
That moment when I realized I’m an idiot and wasted 1 hour+ to end up with nothing, no words could possibly describe how angry I was. Kudos to people organizing, but I’m done with the Day cycle none sense.

They really should tighten VB’s schedule up.

Halve the time for the day cycle., obviously including some trimming to each event phase, so that each step is faster to complete and/or some of the weaker steps are removed, allowing it to be completed in that lesser time without additional stress.

Shorten the night by ten minutes, maybe more. Have one defense cycle on the Rally points, five minutes off, one more, then start the boss phases.

What I would like to suggest Arenanet, is to make helicopters to come at the beginning of the night cycle and let players be transported to ANY camp on the map. This way, players can evenly distribute throughout the map and have a chance of T4.
Also, there should be some UI guide which shows you where is which boss… I did this event many times but so far I can only remember how I get to patriarch and how I get to normal wyvern… I know I can remember it, but it would a lot helpful for new players… I see questions of “how do i get to axemaster” every day… that is btw, a very problematic boss.

I’m at a point were I’m salvaging coat boxes now as completed meta 7 times. Find the right guild. Only needs 10-20 to be on the same page, all advertise on lfg and your u fill the map.

SPKD (my guild) do and complete metas every night on one of the maps. We had a 11 min Mordy kill the other day.

Send me mail in game if you’d like an invite.

EU or US? I am EU

I don’t understand where you guys getting this “need full map to complete this meta event”. There are 5 outpost with 4 camps each. Bare minimum for each camp is 2 players to defend it (3-4 is maximum or events will scale to elites). So with this numbers it’s 40 players for 1 map if you want to have a good try, 60 players (make it 80 for some randoms running around and killing champs for you) for almost guaranteed tier 4 day/night. Also map needs at least 2 players with mastery for Axemaster all other people on that boss can just hard CC the tag (person with mastery) to brake boss.

I’ve commanded on this map for at least 5 times and 2 times we didn’t have more then 2-3 people in each camp. You can mix in random players who were running around for HP and masteries and didn’t really participate in events but still it’s possible to do this meta event without caped map (if the cap is 150 players). The only thing needed is 3-4 players who will organize people in map and spread them across all camps.

Some Tips, maybe they will help to make it a bit easier:
1. Map can lose 1 camp for each outpost and still hit tier 4 night if it kills all 5 bosses.
2. If all camps were defended throughout all night (first 25mins) tier 4 is possible even if only 4 bosses are killed, so it is possible to leave Axemaster if no one has that mastery.
3. It is better for commanders to run around camps in their outpost and coordinate people what to do and to point where they are needed now.

Of course everything is based on the good will of other players, how they following commands, etc. But lfg is there and you can always get more people in. But you don’t need full map to finish this meta event.

I decided to get a coat box yesterday so I looked in LFG, joined a “trying for t4” map, and got the coat box.

Are there any TTS type guilds out there that are focusing on these Meta events?

ATT did it several hours ago.

Most map don’t have t4 because most of people on map that either stay zerg at one rally or don’t even do other events. It is quiet easy , if you have security level over 2,3 at start of canopy events (20 minut before dawn) and you will kill all bosses then t4 is guaranteed.

Day cycle is a little bland, true. I don’t agree with the whining on Vb map though. Remember how long it took before teq became a succesful pug event. Triple trouble is still not there and probably never will be. So it’s not even 2 weeks since launch and because you haven’t completed the event yet it’s the event being too hard not people lacking the proper masteries, experience and level of organisation? I’ve been on a succesful map 3 or 4 times so it’s definitely doable.

there’s a reason these things are called meta events, you don’t need to complete them every time, but when you want to they aren’t even that hard. Tangled depths (3rd map) now that is hard, i guarantee you i can map chat command any map i get into on VB before night (if they did the day chains properly) to tier 4 with 5 minutes left. Same for the basin, altough you need commanders for the basin, you really don’t for verdant brink. You haven’t made any serious effort to try and complete this, aka joining a good map, so you have no idea if this is easy or hard. No offense but don’t complain until at least you try…

Also not reaching lvl 2 is pure bull, you reach lvl 2 even when you kill only 1 or 2 of the 5 bosses, depending on wich. Even by accident most maps hit 2. (never seen one not hit 2…)

Fox.3469:

there’s a reason these things are called meta events, you don’t need to complete them every time, but when you want to they aren’t even that hard. Tangled depths (3rd map) now that is hard, i guarantee you i can map chat command any map i get into on VB before night (if they did the day chains properly) to tier 4 with 5 minutes left. Same for the basin, altough you need commanders for the basin, you really don’t for verdant brink. You haven’t made any serious effort to try and complete this, aka joining a good map, so you have no idea if this is easy or hard. No offense but don’t complain until at least you try…

Also not reaching lvl 2 is pure bull, you reach lvl 2 even when you kill only 1 or 2 of the 5 bosses, depending on wich. Even by accident most maps hit 2. (never seen one not hit 2…)

Maybe you are playing at the right times, but it is true I have never seen a map hit Night security level 2. I don’t play during the prime time, my schedule doesn’t allow for it. I have tried the LFG method, and have only found a group doing that a couple of times now during my play time, and the ones I did join the map still didn’t get past Night Security level 1.