Vayne Constructive Criticism (long)

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

So everyone knows me as White Knight #1, I figured I’d throw in a bit of constructive criticism. The kind of stuff that annoys me.

One of my issues right now is the way achievements are handled in story instances. Sometimes you see that golden icon over your bar and sometimes you don’t, with no rhyme or reason. Sometimes you get certain achievements and sometimes you don’t with no rhyme or reason. It makes running achievements more stressful because I’m repeating stories or looking for an achievement that I can’t get, and it doesn’t indicate I can’t get it.

I won’t give out spoilers specifically but there are several specific instances where I still had the golden icon for an achievement I could no longer achieve and had no way of knowing that I couldn’t achieve it. I wasted about an hour looking around for an NPC that wasn’t there, because the clue was misleading. This really annoys me.

Another issue that came up tonight is for a specific achievement…Friend of Frogs in Tangled Depths. In order to get this achievement, you need to complete every event necessary to prepare the beetles for the upcoming fight against the chak garent. In fact the idea behind the whole thing is sort of cool, helping the beetles hatch, escorting them, feeding them, herding them, this is a great chain. I needed one single event for the achievement.

The earlier events in the chain are long and drawn out. So I’m suffering through them (particularly one of them where you have to kill Zintl for ages and none of them drop loot or give XP). I thought the event would never end.

I get to the event I need and it ended in about 30 seconds, so fast I didn’t get credit for it, even though I was there for the whole event. By the time I figured out what to do, the event was over.

Why such a disparity in event duration, to the point where one was long and worthless, and took tons of effort and one finished so fast, I didn’t even have enough time to interpret it. I lost the achievement, and now I have to either wait around until it spawns again, or come back another time. It was the last achievement I needed.

These are the kind of thing that affects my game.

I love the old fashioned type of adventure game, where I’m searching for stuff. I really liked the Karka hunt in Lion’s Arch. But there are those types of achievements in this game that are completely wasted on me, because there really is no good way to figure out how to do them without going to Dulfy and I don’t want to go to Dulfy.

And that might be part of the problem. If Anet is making these achievements with the idea everyone is going to look them up, in my case they’re wrong. I don’t want to look it up, which means I want the clues to be able to put me on the path to figuring out the achievement.

It’s sort of like the old Trolls End JP. The entrance is the well really wasn’t something you could figure out. You had to be told about it, or you had to stumble into it (perhaps literally).

I’d like to see the more puzzle oriented achievements be actual puzzles that there’s a chance to figure out. There are some in the game, but it could do with more. And every time there’s some ridiculously unfair achievement that is so misleading as to have a negative clue,. it makes me reluctant to try the next achievement that comes out…because I hate wasting my in game time.

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Posted by: Electro.4173

Electro.4173

I think I know which achievement you’re talking about in regards to the “NPC you need to locate”. And yah, I wasted about an hour myself combing that entire mission for said NPC beyond the point when he’s apparently available (because I checked the spot where he is and found nothing) before I said “Screw it” and looked it up on Dulfy. At which point I was like “Oh? He definitely isn’t there, did it bug? Does it despawn if you progress to a certain point(I assume it was this one)? The heck?!”

I agree with the Friend of Frogs thing too. Most of the events in that chain take FOREVER to complete, especially the metamorphosis one, but then a couple of them (I’m guessing you’re talking about the “calm the stampede with mushroom spores” step) can finish extremely fast if people actually know that they’re doing. Thankfully I was in a less populated instance and with people who seemingly didn’t when I did my run for FoF, so I had time to figure out what to do.

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Posted by: Sariel V.7024

Sariel V.7024

It’s sort of like the old Trolls End JP. The entrance is the well really wasn’t something you could figure out. You had to be told about it, or you had to stumble into it (perhaps literally).

There were dialogue clues to the entrance, but they were very obscure and proverbial needles in a haystack of dialogue that you’d get from the entire city. This is the price of ‘immersion’. If you don’t want your hand held every step of the way by a collection checklist or an army of NPCs babbling about the secret hideout that no one is supposed to know about, you have to accept the risk that there will be things you can’t discover on your own. Heck, I couldn’t find the way to the Pirate JP in LA without watching a vid, because even with the map markers indicating there was something in the southeast, I couldn’t find the entrance behind the tall grass.

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Posted by: Sariel V.7024

Sariel V.7024

On that note, how is the average Joe supposed to figure out that Troll’s Revenge exists? Is he just supposed to get lucky with a few jumps and then assume he can go further?

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Posted by: SkyShroud.2865

SkyShroud.2865

On that note, how is the average Joe supposed to figure out that Troll’s Revenge exists? Is he just supposed to get lucky with a few jumps and then assume he can go further?

He is expected to google.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

On that note, how is the average Joe supposed to figure out that Troll’s Revenge exists? Is he just supposed to get lucky with a few jumps and then assume he can go further?

Doesn’t the UI point to those? If not, perhaps it should.

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Posted by: Healix.5819

Healix.5819

On that note, how is the average Joe supposed to figure out that Troll’s Revenge exists?

Not everything is meant to be found right away. Some stuff is simply intended for those that go out of their way and actually explore. Personally, the day LA was released, I noticed the chests up above and what looked like obvious paths while doing the Karka hunt. I eventually followed the path backwards to the start.

For those that don’t explore, you’ll eventually hear about it, find the achievement, look up or happen to stumble on it.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

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I think I know which achievement you’re talking about in regards to the “NPC you need to locate”. And yah, I wasted about an hour myself combing that entire mission for said NPC beyond the point when he’s apparently available (because I checked the spot where he is and found nothing) before I said “Screw it” and looked it up on Dulfy. At which point I was like “Oh? He definitely isn’t there, did it bug? Does it despawn if you progress to a certain point(I assume it was this one)? The heck?!”

I agree with the Friend of Frogs thing too. Most of the events in that chain take FOREVER to complete, especially the metamorphosis one, but then a couple of them (I’m guessing you’re talking about the “calm the stampede with mushroom spores” step) can finish extremely fast if people actually know that they’re doing. Thankfully I was in a less populated instance and with people who seemingly didn’t when I did my run for FoF, so I had time to figure out what to do.

Yep, I hate wasting my time. Had to go to Dulfy. Got there and said, great, If that golden icon had vanished when it was no longer available, Id’ have noticed and said, okay got to do this part first.