Guild Wars 2

Churn out lol.

Not hard to explain my character. I’m a WvW player only, 2 accounts, each on different servers with half dozen chars on each. Its entirely unexcessive to be able to grab the class required for a raid and all have been levelled, kitted out with gear without any complaint.

Oh and its Anets job to keep grind level reasonable since they are the ones selling products on the basis that they don’t do grind

I only see rage on forums. And this is just a small minority of people. Other 99.99% are enjoing the expac. See ya in game!

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

Decado.9304:

Straylight.7529:

Decado.9304:

Virtually every complaint I have read regarding elite spec cost of 400 pts is complaining about the steepness of it and the need for it to be reduced, NOT ELIMINATED but reduced so that people can obtain then in reasonable time (especially those of us, and there are many, who dont PVE)

The expansion came out three days ago. You still have enough time to collect your hero points within reasonable time.

so you think a year or 2 is reasonable time to unlock a specialisation on a dozen characters?

nvm, my bad

So what if people wont do PvE? I don’t but i do play the other game modes. Are you trying to say this is a pve expac so i should quit my complaining?

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

lol, neither of your points were correct. lol The people. lol

Coulter.2315:

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Again, please explain why this is a problem? most of the people i know and play with are non pve’ers so why does it make a difference? It is a multi game mode game as Anet repeatedly points out

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

So once again, this is a PVE only expac? I hope they lock BASELINE content in the next expansion behind content you dislike. The expac is for everyone, and therefore should account for that, I paid money for it, I did not pay money for players like you to get the enjoyment because it is locked behind content that is a chore to me, in a game I shouldn’t have to do chores.

Your argument is ignorant and flawed.

hurrado.2346:

So once again, this is a PVE only expac? I hope they lock BASELINE content in the next expansion behind content you dislike. The expac is for everyone, and therefore should account for that, I paid money for it, I did not pay money for players like you to get the enjoyment because it is locked behind content that is a chore to me, in a game I shouldn’t have to do chores.

Your argument is ignorant and flawed.

I wonder just how many of these people saying such things wanted WVW mapping removed from tyrian mapping!(I did, but i still went out and mapped it)

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

lol, neither of your points were correct. lol

1) They complained they don’t have Elite Spec but refuse to go PvE.
2) I did go PvE and have had my Elite Spec fully unlocked for over 10hrs with ZERO grinding.

It doesn’t take much time to unlock and people who refuse to do content will naturally have to deal with negative effects of their own choices.

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

So your ok with screwing over a large number of other players because they don’t play like you so they shouldn’t be able to get the things they want in a reasonable amount of time without grinding? thanks for showing your true colors Vayne.

hurrado.2346:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

Coulter.2315:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is a cheap mischaracterisation, the people complaining are saying off the bat “I will not do PvE” and they need to understand that comes with a downside. Demanding that their particular choice of ignoring PvE should some how not have any downside when just a few hours gliding around would solve their problems is just silly.

That’s a cheap mischaracterization, the people complaining are saying that they don’t want to spend days to unlock their elite specs. They feel it’s too much grind. It’s also a mischaracterization to say the they can get it with a “few hours of gliding around.” In fact, nothing in your post is accurate.

No, they literally said “I will not do PvE” on the first page. Scroll up, and as I’ve said before I have my Elite Spec with zero repetition of content after a day and a bit.

Who’s this they you speak of?

hurrado and Decado; hurrado said something along the lines of “I don not want to play that zone i will not do PvE” and Decado has said a few times he is only considering WvW as an option of play.

Now we’ve established both my points of the previous post are correct would you like to retract your post? :P

So once again, this is a PVE only expac? I hope they lock BASELINE content in the next expansion behind content you dislike. The expac is for everyone, and therefore should account for that, I paid money for it, I did not pay money for players like you to get the enjoyment because it is locked behind content that is a chore to me, in a game I shouldn’t have to do chores.

Your argument is ignorant and flawed.

Its actually really fun though, thats why we’re disappointed. Go try it, the mobs dodge more than WvW players anyway :P

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

But has been described for MONTHS as character progression, its not a progression if its instant. (Elite Specs)

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

A grind is repeating a task over and over, you get hero points going to individual locations that are all unique across a varied landscape and you CANNOT repeat them – it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to attain an Elite Spec with GRIND.

Dante.1763:

I wonder just how many of these people saying such things wanted WVW mapping removed from tyrian mapping!(I did, but i still went out and mapped it)

hehe yeah i remember the mega whining that went on over that. Sooooo unfair to force us to wvw when we don’t want to……plznerfploxkthx

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

What is your argument here? Naming conventions?

Decado.9304:

Dante.1763:

I wonder just how many of these people saying such things wanted WVW mapping removed from tyrian mapping!(I did, but i still went out and mapped it)

hehe yeah i remember the mega whining that went on over that. Sooooo unfair to force us to wvw when we don’t want to……plznerfploxkthx

I certainly didn’t because I appreciate all the aspects of the game and I think you’d benefit (benefit both in gaining what you want and having a good time) if you took off the blinkers and tried something new. Its so much better than the PvE the game launched with, I promise.

Coulter.2315:

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

A grind is repeating a task over and over, you get hero points going to individual locations that are all unique across a varied landscape and you CANNOT repeat them – it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to attain an Elite Spec with GRIND.

I have ten characters, so it is in fact, doing the same content over and over and over and over again. Even on one character its a grind, the PVE map frustrated me so I had to settle with eotm ktraining, which is running in circles, but there is an occasional zerg fight to keep me alive, something PVE doesn’t have.

Acetone.4793:

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

What is your argument here? Naming conventions?

You called the elite spec a new class and based your comparison upon that assumption.

Acetone.4793:

You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right?

Yes. Because it’s a new class.

Acetone.4793:

Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper?

Because it’s an elite spec and not a new class. Elite specs are meant to be a new form of character progression. Whether you feel it’s a “grind” or not is for you to decide.

Coulter.2315:

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

You really think i (and virtually every other wvw/pvp player who says they dont pve) hasn’t at least tried pve? I’ve ran 2 chars all the way to the final mission, although i haven’t got interested enough to actually do that one yet tho. Ive been in the odd dungeon (3 story modes iirc) and ran a few world bosses.

For the most part…utterly boring as kitten. But who cares, this is a multi mode game so wether you only pve or pvp or wvw or do some combination of all 3, you should have access to the basic game mechanics

I see people with decent points at both sides but when i read someone’s comment that they hated the grind for new elite specs, but then said they did edge of the mists to grind them out, i nearly spit my drink on my keyboard. You can’t complain about grind if you are willingly seeking out edge of the mists people.

Decado.9304:

Coulter.2315:

Again the content is really fun and I think if these guys would just go give it a try and get into it they’d have what they want and have a blast doing it.

You really think i (and virtually every other wvw/pvp player who says they dont pve) hasn’t at least tried pve? I’ve ran 2 chars all the way to the final mission, although i haven’t got interested enough to actually do that one yet tho. Ive been in the odd dungeon (3 story modes iirc) and ran a few world bosses.

For the most part…utterly boring as kitten. But who cares, this is a multi mode game so wether you only pve or pvp or wvw or do some combination of all 3, you should have access to the basic game mechanics

Well most of my time in game has been doing PvP and you get access to everything (balanced, no Perplexity or +40% condi duration food here thanks) there anyway with far tighter controls to maintain competativeness and balance so there’s no point dragging that into the conversation.

What I’m telling you is YES the PvE at launch was awful, but go check out the new stuff its really good (this is coming from someone who mainly PvP’d). Plus gliding is fantastic – really adds a whole new level of freedom and exploration.

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Straylight.7529:

Acetone.4793:

Just think about it for one second. Why do you have to grind at all to unlock what is essentially a new class? You don’t have to grind to unlock Revenant and it makes total sense, right? Why do you have to grind to get the Reaper? It’s not ascended gear, it’s not a big accomplishment, it’s simply a different way to play. Since when does GW2 locks you from being able to enjoy different ways to play?

You are comparing a new class (Revenant) to something that isn’t a new class (elite specs).

What is your argument here? Naming conventions?

You called the elite spec a new class and based your comparison upon that assumption.

Are you even trying to engage with what I am trying to say here? Or you are going to stay hung up on the nomenclature? I will reiterate it more simply for you, so the comparisons won’t distact you anymore.

Elite specs are just a new way to play. Gating them was entirely unnecessary. Unlocking basic ways to play was never what GW2 was about. It gave you the tools and let you decide how you wanted to use them. HoT puts you on a treadmill where you use old tools before you can unlock those new tools. A smoke screen to stretch the content thin.

What they were meant to be and whether they were implemented well are two different things. So gating elite specs is basically like gating a new class. You can keep nitpicking or you can try to understand the point I am trying to make.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

The expansion is incredibly awesomely overwhelmingly fantastic.

What disappoints me is the number of posts on this forum, claiming exactly the opposite. These wonderful devs poured their heart and soul into this rich experience, and you’re all kittening on it because there is the slightest bit of challenge.

No one on here is asking “How do I do this?” It’s all “I can’t do this.”

Put your fingers to use learning how to rise to the challenge, instead of demonstrating your stereotypical Internet rage.

You might just find not only this game, but life, more enjoyable.

It’s too easy to follow the herd. There’s no value in being that kind of person.

I think the forums are broken. It’s not letting me upvote this enough.

Fox.3469:

I see people with decent points at both sides but when i read someone’s comment that they hated the grind for new elite specs, but then said they did edge of the mists to grind them out, i nearly spit my drink on my keyboard. You can’t complain about grind if you are willingly seeking out edge of the mists people.

So you expect us to go to normal WvW and maybe have one spec unlocked in 6 months, when we want multiple specs, due to slower WxP gain than a flat out ktrain?

Fox.3469:

I see people with decent points at both sides but when i read someone’s comment that they hated the grind for new elite specs, but then said they did edge of the mists to grind them out, i nearly spit my drink on my keyboard. You can’t complain about grind if you are willingly seeking out edge of the mists people.

To be fair, it’s the only way that the current system gives you to experience the HoT content with the elite spec without ruining the experience for yourself. I wish that I had done Edge of the Mists farming, then I’d have four maps left to explore at my own pace instead of one and a half.

mastery system = character progression This is what should take a lot of time to do

elite spec = alternate playstyle Nothing elite about these specs…. there can’t be because of pvp balancing and pay to win factors….. “Elite” was just a name thrown on them to justify a hideous 400 hero point cost…. Those elite traits and utilities should be the same cost as any other traitline circle and utility circle…

I agree the expansion had some very nice things about it. 400 hero points for an “elite” spec that isn’t elite was not one of these nice things. It shares a similar stench with the new player experience.

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

You got me wrong, mate. I have MORE characters than you. 31 80s. I simply see why the decision was made. It’s NOT all about me.

Dashingsteel.3410:

mastery system = character progression This is what should take a lot of time to do

elite spec = alternate playstyle Nothing elite about these specs…. there can’t be because of pvp balancing and pay to win factors….. “Elite” was just a name thrown on them to justify a hideous 400 hero point cost…. Those elite traits and utilities should be the same cost as any other traitline circle and utility circle…

I agree the expansion had some very nice things about it. 400 hero points for an “elite” spec that isn’t elite was not one of these nice things. It shares a similar stench with the new player experience.

Actually the Mastery System is Account Progression and the Elite Spec is Character Progression (Anet has said this at many events and blog posts). I’m pretty sure they named them Elite Specs before they even considered how many Hero Points to make them (pretty tinfoil hat to think it was the other way around).

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

You got me wrong, mate. I have MORE characters than you. 31 80s. I simply see why the decision was made. It’s NOT all about me.

So who is it about then, since the design must not have been about players like me, and if its not about players on the other end of the spectrum like you, WHO EXACTLY is this expansion catered towards. It definitely isn’t the casual playerbase of GW2, it isn’t the WvW crowd, it isn’t even about many in PVE who wanted to play the new specs through the new area.

That leaves A-net and the hardcore grinding group. If those are the people this game is about then it’s not the great game that it had been before release.

And yes it should be somewhat about me, seeing as I paid money for it.

elites specs are not character progress….. Actually if you don’t have the whole elite traitline and try to play with a partial elite trait line you actually become weaker…. How is that character progression. Heck, even with the full elite unlocked you are the same power level with just a new way to play….. Nope, no character progression here

Ashen.2907:

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

What disappoints me is … you’re all kittening on it because there is the slightest bit of challenge.

So you are disappointing yourself then? Because that is not a common complaint. I have not seen anyone complain that there is the slightest bit of challenge, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that there is someone out there who did, still leaves your depiction inaccurate.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Disabled-American-And-HoT

Not so much the OP, but read the comments section.

Razor.9872:

Ashen.2907:

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

What disappoints me is … you’re all kittening on it because there is the slightest bit of challenge.

So you are disappointing yourself then? Because that is not a common complaint. I have not seen anyone complain that there is the slightest bit of challenge, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that there is someone out there who did, still leaves your depiction inaccurate.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Disabled-American-And-HoT

Not so much the OP, but read the comments section.

No one in that thread spoke against the idea of the slightest bit of challenge. One did have this to say:

xchickonwheelsxx.6190:

I have accepted that this game will be much more of a challenge for me. Doesn’t mean I won’t try and work past it though.

Accepting much more challenge, and trying to work past it.

All the time spent complaining on the forums and you could have gotten the hero points by now rofl

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

Vayne.8563:

DaShi.1368:

Vayne.8563:

hurrado.2346:

DaShi.1368:

That’s right folks. If you don’t like the PvE, just shut up about it. This game isn’t for you.

That is what Vayne seems to think.

Maybe they should lock the specs behind doing an excessive amount of whatever content he enjoys playing the least, and see who is complaining then.

It means that you can’t just play one area of the game and expect to get the rewards at the same speed. You’re in a place now where you can get every single point just by WvWing without ever leaving WvW. That’s an improvement.

But all we here from WvW is complaint. Shrugs.

I’m okay with that.

It’s not a problem for Vayne, so it shouldn’t be a problem for others.

When a change is made to this game that I don’t like, I try to look at the overall picture, because it’s NEVER just about me. I don’t complain about what I don’t like if I can see the reason things have been done. Many changes have inconvenienced me. I see why they were done and I move on.

There are many people who already have over 200 skill points on their characters. The game needed both account and character progression. Masteries are account progression,. elite specializtaions are charater progression.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s unlikely to change, because they’re more benefit to the game by leaving it this way than changing it.

I’m not saying it’s about me. You are.

Except now the fact that there are legitimate problems it seems to be “JUST about you” many players are left in the dust and its just unacceptable and most suggestions are very reasonable. People don’t want a grind, that isn’t what this game is about and it should not be about.

You got me wrong, mate. I have MORE characters than you. 31 80s. I simply see why the decision was made. It’s NOT all about me.

So who is it about then, since the design must not have been about players like me, and if its not about players on the other end of the spectrum like you, WHO EXACTLY is this expansion catered towards. It definitely isn’t the casual playerbase of GW2, it isn’t the WvW crowd, it isn’t even about many in PVE who wanted to play the new specs through the new area.

That leaves A-net and the hardcore grinding group. If those are the people this game is about then it’s not the great game that it had been before release.

And yes it should be somewhat about me, seeing as I paid money for it.

You’re simplifying the situation. Let’s say you LOVE loud music and live in an aparttment building. Is it reasonable to let you play loud music, if everyone else gets inconvenience? What about if only 70% of the people were inconvenienced?

That’s the issue here. Most people don’t even know about traits or specs. Most people log in, kill some stuff and log off. That’s most people. Most players don’t follow a meta. Most players probably don’t know the 4 down skill rezzes you.

So most players are less likely to be inconvenienced by this anyway. The people in your group are WvWers who don’t like anything but WvW. This isn’t a huge group of people. We’ve been told by the devs it’s a small group. We know that.

Now people SAY they don’t like grind, but people also say they want stuff to work for. Which group does Anet support. What about people who say they don’t like grind and leave the game because they’re nothing to do? Plenty of those.

There’s far more going on here than you and me.

Drivrius.6159:

Dante.1763:

Drivrius.6159:

Dante.1763:

Drivrius.6159:

You enjoy HOT as it is, but still think the specs cost too much.

Now put yourself in our shoes, not only do we agree on the specs cost but to get them we have to play content we don’t like.

To me that goes hand in hand. Doesnt PVP get them unlocked for PVP though? And cant WVW earn them through WVW?

I only play PvE and I really dislike the new zones.

Thats all i do too, but im loving the new zones. If they cost less though, wouldnt you be able to get them by doing the regular zones? i mean my ranger had 200 points sitting on her from 100% mapping.

I have 100% map completion on my Necro, I would love if it only costed 200 HPs, it would mean I could avoid the new zones unless I wanted to see the story.

The part where they forced us to do the new zones was a mistake, it should be a choice not a necessity. Hell if I was in charge I would have made it possible to lvl while using your elite spec, rather then gate it behind all other specs being maxed.

You don’t have to do the new zones. Just go WvW with it. You don’t even have to do the new BL’s. You can stick in vanilla EB if you want.

Do you know what ‘challenge’ means? You cant just use the word however you want.

Challenge:
1.
a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
2.
something that by its nature or character serves as a call to battle, contest, special effort, etc.:
Space exploration offers a challenge to humankind.
3.
a call to fight, as a battle, a duel, etc.
4.
a demand to explain, justify, etc.:
a challenge to the treasurer to itemize expenditures.
5.
difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in

What part of time gating and grinds meets the definition of ‘challenge’. Its like calling a grind to max lvl a ‘challenge’. Its not.

One of the worst aspects of mmos to me has always been ‘get to cap, thats when the fun begins’. GW2 was always different to me.

Now its not.

sephiroth.4217:

All people want is the elite specs they paid for…. That’s it.

In other MMO’s, people pay for level cap raises. But they have to work for those, don’t they? They rarely if ever come instantly.

markot.3946:

Do you know what ‘challenge’ means? You cant just use the word however you want.

Challenge:
1.
a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
2.
something that by its nature or character serves as a call to battle, contest, special effort, etc.:
Space exploration offers a challenge to humankind.
3.
a call to fight, as a battle, a duel, etc.
4.
a demand to explain, justify, etc.:
a challenge to the treasurer to itemize expenditures.
5.
difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in

What part of time gating and grinds meets the definition of ‘challenge’. Its like calling a grind to max lvl a ‘challenge’. Its not.

One of the worst aspects of mmos to me has always been ‘get to cap, thats when the fun begins’. GW2 was always different to me.

Now its not.

Have you taken the time to actually listen to the NPCs, look at the gorgeous environments, explore the area and do new events? You don’t need to grind you’ll get all you need by doing these things – just look at it as an experience instead of trying to race to some imaginary finish line.

DaShi.1368:

Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem.

Just because you think you understand it doesn’t mean there is a problem.

Coulter.2315:

markot.3946:

Do you know what ‘challenge’ means? You cant just use the word however you want.

Challenge:
1.
a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
2.
something that by its nature or character serves as a call to battle, contest, special effort, etc.:
Space exploration offers a challenge to humankind.
3.
a call to fight, as a battle, a duel, etc.
4.
a demand to explain, justify, etc.:
a challenge to the treasurer to itemize expenditures.
5.
difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in

What part of time gating and grinds meets the definition of ‘challenge’. Its like calling a grind to max lvl a ‘challenge’. Its not.

One of the worst aspects of mmos to me has always been ‘get to cap, thats when the fun begins’. GW2 was always different to me.

Now its not.

Have you taken the time to actually listen to the NPCs, look at the gorgeous environments, explore the area and do new events? You don’t need to grind you’ll get all you need by doing these things – just look at it as an experience instead of trying to race to some imaginary finish line.

I leveled up my characters in wvw. Id have to play for how long to simply unlock a new spec tree that I can use effectively? Now repeat for all my characters.

I have a job already.

And none of that is a ‘challenege’.

Ive never cared much for pve, but now its pretty much mandatory.

And exploration? You mean the thing that is now locked behind pointless grinds? You could run to orr if you wanted to at lvl 1 in the day. You could do all the jumping puzzles…. etc…

The story in this game is terrible, its almost as bad as the writing in a blizzard game.

You used to be able to play this game how you wanted to. Anet doesnt like that apprently, it started with the ‘new player experience’ changes… and it just keeps getting worse.