Guild Wars 2

I’d agree, it’s a slippery slope they’re heading

Agree actually 2 character slot please anet !!!
ALSO im not paying 1 penny until we know game will be out

Jermoe, you are being reasonable. They are giving the middle finger to all veteran players and a kick to the head to the people that just bought the base game.

Ironically, this is me too. I’d spend out for the Ultimate edition if the Standard also came with a character slot, but the Standard not having it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw the in-game thing, and was all excited.
• Saw the ultimate option had a gem discount, and was “:-O want!”
• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

I am no stranger to the gem store, and was literally moments from dropping a hundred dollars on a game with no release date like it was nothing, but how can I morally support this nonsense? Anet has clearly changed from their gw1 days, and this is a change I can’t support. And for that, Anet just lost out on a $90 sale, and ensured that I probably won’t making any gem purchases for awhile(I had been eyeing up more than $50 worth of stuff). Makes you wonder how many more sales like that they lost.

Now if Anet were to come to their senses, and added a character slot to the standard version(even if just for veteran players like in GW1), then they could easily count on my purchase of the ultimate edition.

Well if you wanna play the new class, you’d better shell out even more money for that slot, because Anet is being pretty mute on these issues.

Extreme.8350:

Agree actually 2 character slot please anet !!!
ALSO im not paying 1 penny until we know game will be out

I don’t want to be greedy. Traditionally it has been 1 slot per new class, so I think is reasonable for 1. That said, I could certainly find use for a second(would have been my first purchase with the ultimate edition gems actually)

+1000 fire the marketing team and tell them stop asking Bobby Kotick for advise

Agree with OP. I seriously considered the $100 option (because that’s the only one that made any sense). But in snatching up the Ultimate Edition I would be supporting a ill-conceived and morally wrong purchasing plan. So for now my hopes of playing in HoT have dimmed considerably unless something on the buy page changes.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

I’m just sad that what we get for pre purchasing is no where near special. You are either pushed to buy standard or ultimate as ultimate gives a gem discount. All the cool stuff you will get like glider skin will be available in the gem store via upgrade

Will Lucky.8703:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

Where have you been? GW1 had 3 expansions. The last one which was EotN was an expansion that was like $10 and precursor to GW2. The other 2 expansions all include character slots and an entirely whole new world and content that is equivalent to the original GW1 which you still need to purchase. It wasn’t given as a freebie.

HoangAn.2085:

I’m just sad that what we get for pre purchasing is no where near special. You are either pushed to buy standard or ultimate as ultimate gives a gem discount. All the cool stuff you will get like glider skin will be available in the gem store via upgrade

I don’t understand this need to feel “special” at all.

Everyone is special, Dash.

Will Lucky.8703:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

dragon.8071:

Will Lucky.8703:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

Where have you been? GW1 had 3 expansions. The last one which was EotN was an expansion that was like $10 and precursor to GW2. The other 2 expansions all include character slots and an entirely whole new world and content that is equivalent to the original GW1 which you still need to purchase. It wasn’t given as a freebie.

Those are stand alone games that you can merge. You dont get free character slots with them, they just add all the slots you bought since you joined them all.GW1 had only one expansion and it didn’t come with a character slot. Don’t talk crap if you don’t know.

Automaton.4926:

dragon.8071:

Will Lucky.8703:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

Where have you been? GW1 had 3 expansions. The last one which was EotN was an expansion that was like $10 and precursor to GW2. The other 2 expansions all include character slots and an entirely whole new world and content that is equivalent to the original GW1 which you still need to purchase. It wasn’t given as a freebie.

Those are stand alone games that you can merge. You dont get free character slots with them, they just add all the slots you bought since you joined them all.GW1 had only one expansion and it didn’t come with a character slot. Don’t talk crap if you don’t know.

But that expansion also didn’t release a new profession. So here’s the confusion. Whenever there’s been new professions released in the previous games, they’ve given extra slots to accommodate that.

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

Yeah I’ve just explained that Will…

Eye of the North is an expansion, we’ve established that and yes it didn’t come with any slots. That’s because it didn’t come with new professions so there was no need for the slots..

Except the standalone games didn’t come with extra slots either, they came with the exact same amount regardless of which game you purchased first. None of them “added” slots because it added professions, they came with slots incase you had purchased factions for example but didn’t purchase the original prophecies game. If HoT was a standalone game I would expect it to have a character slots as well.

Except for the fact that they gave extra slots for those professions.

5 core (Monk, Mesmer, Ele, Warrior and Ranger) plus 2 slots for Derv/Rit/Sin/Para.

You still ended up with 7 slots if you purchased Factions first or Nightfall first. The argument here is that it doesn’t matter if it’s an expansion or standalone campaign, they could very well have offered 1 slot for the price of $50 instead of giving away the core game free (which everyone already has and has no use for).

Expansions or Campaigns. Either way, it was a great series from beginning to end and I believe we ended up with 8 character slots.

Just curious. Why are we all so sure the base game doesn’t come with one or two character slots? I know the deluxe version comes with an additional slot, but there is a lot we still don,t know about the expansion itself. Lets hold onto our money and our anger until we know what exactly it is that they’re selling.

The descriptions are there for everyone to read. Standard doesn’t include a char slot.

At least let me have the core game to give to a friend since I already own it…

Zappix.7928:

Automaton.4926:

dragon.8071:

Will Lucky.8703:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

Technically wrong.

Only one expansion came out for Guild Wars 1 and that was Eye of the North. It did not come with Character slots.

Where have you been? GW1 had 3 expansions. The last one which was EotN was an expansion that was like $10 and precursor to GW2. The other 2 expansions all include character slots and an entirely whole new world and content that is equivalent to the original GW1 which you still need to purchase. It wasn’t given as a freebie.

Those are stand alone games that you can merge. You dont get free character slots with them, they just add all the slots you bought since you joined them all.GW1 had only one expansion and it didn’t come with a character slot. Don’t talk crap if you don’t know.

But that expansion also didn’t release a new profession. So here’s the confusion. Whenever there’s been new professions released in the previous games, they’ve given extra slots to accommodate that.

No there wasn’t. You are deciding what Anet’s intent was. They give you the slots because you paid for them. buy four slots in one game and 2 slots in another game then add them together to get 6!

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

I almost bought the ultimate edition because it defaults to it when you go to make the purchase.

Automaton.4926:

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

I mean, even Anet refered to then as expansions at the time, but whatever. Let’s just call them stand alone games then.

Do you know what else is stand alone? GW2, and it turns out we are forced into buying an additional copy of that too. Following your logic: When I essentially bought an extra account in factions and nightfall, and merged it with my existing prophecies account, I received 2 character slots for each “stand alone game” account merged. For HoT we are currently looking at buying another stand alone account (core GW2) that can be merged with an existing account and getting nothing in return for this extra expense.

I could see how you could argue that it is anets right to price gouge on such a small thing, which is certainly a valid point, but it is crystal clear that this is a serious change in direction for the company. A change that only a fool, or someone on the payroll, could support. As I have said from the beginning: this is a matter of principal, not price.

I had identical experience to you OP, was quite happy to front the $100 for the ultimate but just can’t get the bad taste out of my mouth over the way they have tried to screw the vets over a char slot. Holding on to my cash now.

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw the in-game thing, and was all excited.
• Saw the ultimate option had a gem discount, and was “:-O want!”
• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

This. Well, okay, so maybe I didn’t log out.
I was excited, I clicked the buy thing, went through to the page, was really confused about the lack of expansion slot on basic and the inclusion of the core game and ended up in a FAQ / forum quagmire that I’m still sifting through.

I was rather excited, about ready to drop $50, maybe $100, and talk to my wife about which purchase option she wanted. Talk about a momentum killer.

The whole Expansion / Campaign debate regarding GW1 is kind of silly. They were billed as and talked about as expansions, chapters, campaigns, and what have you (at least for Factions and Nightfall) it wasn’t until Eye of the North that expansion / campaign were actually distinguished from one another and only then to explain why there were no new classes, why there were no new missions, why there were no new character slots, and why the price was cheaper than all prior paid for additions.

For GW1 a precedent was set:
1) ~same price as full game = new classes + character slots + new missions + whole new map / standalone game
2) ~significantly reduced cost to full game = no new classes, no new missions, less map, Prophesies required

Clearly HoT does not fit in 1) or 2) perfectly as I outlined above, but for long time players / GW1 players the introduction of a new profession (since they don’t use “class”) without a character slot is unprecedented.
Also, price point and inclusion of core game makes current HoT purchase scheme as available through GuildWars2.com’s own shop mean that HoT is basically only available as a standalone game with different / additional content.

For the new player just joining us the price point includes 5 character slots and 2 bank slots (~5200 gems worth). For existing players the existing price point includes HoT, no core, no character slots, no bank slots.

As an existing customer I’d say I’m a lot less respected under this new marketing scheme than I was as an existing customer back in the GW1 days.

Mooncaller.9634:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw the in-game thing, and was all excited.
• Saw the ultimate option had a gem discount, and was “:-O want!”
• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

This. Well, okay, so maybe I didn’t log out.
I was excited, I clicked the buy thing, went through to the page, was really confused about the lack of expansion slot on basic and the inclusion of the core game and ended up in a FAQ / forum quagmire that I’m still sifting through.

I was rather excited, about ready to drop $50, maybe $100, and talk to my wife about which purchase option she wanted. Talk about a momentum killer.

The whole Expansion / Campaign debate regarding GW1 is kind of silly. They were billed as and talked about as expansions, chapters, campaigns, and what have you (at least for Factions and Nightfall) it wasn’t until Eye of the North that expansion / campaign were actually distinguished from one another and only then to explain why there were no new classes, why there were no new missions, why there were no new character slots, and why the price was cheaper than all prior paid for additions.

For GW1 a precedent was set:
1) ~same price as full game = new classes + character slots + new missions + whole new map / standalone game
2) ~significantly reduced cost to full game = no new classes, no new missions, less map, Prophesies required

Clearly HoT does not fit in 1) or 2) perfectly as I outlined above, but for long time players / GW1 players the introduction of a new profession (since they don’t use “class”) without a character slot is unprecedented.
Also, price point and inclusion of core game makes current HoT purchase scheme as available through GuildWars2.com’s own shop mean that HoT is basically only available as a standalone game with different / additional content.

For the new player just joining us the price point includes 5 character slots and 2 bank slots (~5200 gems worth). For existing players the existing price point includes HoT, no core, no character slots, no bank slots.

As an existing customer I’d say I’m a lot less respected under this new marketing scheme than I was as an existing customer back in the GW1 days.

perfection, your wife is a lucky lady.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Automaton.4926:

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

I mean, even Anet refered to then as expansions at the time, but whatever. Let’s just call them stand alone games then.

Do you know what else is stand alone? GW2, and it turns out we are forced into buying an additional copy of that too. Following your logic: When I essentially bought an extra account in factions and nightfall, and merged it with my existing prophecies account, I received 2 character slots for each “stand alone game” account merged. For HoT we are currently looking at buying another stand alone account (core GW2) that can be merged with an existing account and getting nothing in return for this extra expense.

I could see how you could argue that it is anets right to price gouge on such a small thing, which is certainly a valid point, but it is crystal clear that this is a serious change in direction for the company. A change that only a fool, or someone on the payroll, could support. As I have said from the beginning: this is a matter of principal, not price.

They specifically stated you are not paying for the core game. the price is for HoT expansion.

I am holding off on buying the expansion cause i’m on the fence, but to make up and skew facts is stupid.

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

How is that objectively wrong? When someone says “expansion”, people dont automatically assume it’s a seperate game on it’s own that you can choose to join to another game. that is why we are clearing up the details. Call them an expansion but that doesn’t make you right. You are still wrong. If you are going to throw two very different things under the same name and get angry that Anet doesn’t treat them the same you are an idiot.

Automaton.4926:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

How is that objectively wrong? When someone says “expansion”, people dont automatically assume it’s a seperate game on it’s own that you can choose to join to another game. that is why we are clearing up the details. Call them an expansion but that doesn’t make you right. You are still wrong. If you are going to throw two very different things under the same name and get angry that Anet doesn’t treat them the same you are an idiot.

You aren’t clearing up ANY details. You’re arguing semantics over campaign or expansion. I’m actually very much so, NOT wrong, because the titles: Guild Wars: Factions and Guild Wars: Nightfall, AND Guild Wars: Eye of the North, all REALLY DID expand the title, which one would assume, labels them as, you guessed it, expansions.

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

How is that objectively wrong? When someone says “expansion”, people dont automatically assume it’s a seperate game on it’s own that you can choose to join to another game. that is why we are clearing up the details. Call them an expansion but that doesn’t make you right. You are still wrong. If you are going to throw two very different things under the same name and get angry that Anet doesn’t treat them the same you are an idiot.

You aren’t clearing up ANY details. You’re arguing semantics over campaign or expansion. I’m actually very much so, NOT wrong, because the titles: Guild Wars: Factions and Guild Wars: Nightfall, AND Guild Wars: Eye of the North, all REALLY DID expand the title, which one would assume, labels them as, you guessed it, expansions.

So every item in the GW1 store (costumes, etc) was also an expansion because they expanded the title.

serenke.4806:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

How is that objectively wrong? When someone says “expansion”, people dont automatically assume it’s a seperate game on it’s own that you can choose to join to another game. that is why we are clearing up the details. Call them an expansion but that doesn’t make you right. You are still wrong. If you are going to throw two very different things under the same name and get angry that Anet doesn’t treat them the same you are an idiot.

You aren’t clearing up ANY details. You’re arguing semantics over campaign or expansion. I’m actually very much so, NOT wrong, because the titles: Guild Wars: Factions and Guild Wars: Nightfall, AND Guild Wars: Eye of the North, all REALLY DID expand the title, which one would assume, labels them as, you guessed it, expansions.

So every item in the GW1 store (costumes, etc) was also an expansion because they expanded the title.

yes. /15chars.

Can we please stop calling HoT an expansion and call it by it’s true name DLC?

T raw.4658:

Can we please stop calling HoT an expansion and call it by it’s true name DLC?

DING DONG PING PONG winner here!

Ty it’s good to see people are still awake here in this world.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

• Saw the in-game thing, and was all excited.
• Saw the ultimate option had a gem discount, and was “:-O want!”
• Saw that standard didn’t come with a character slot when every previous guild wars series expansion that added classes did, and I would also be paying for a base game account I don’t get, and literally logged out of game in disgust.

I am no stranger to the gem store, and was literally moments from dropping a hundred dollars on a game with no release date like it was nothing, but how can I morally support this nonsense? Anet has clearly changed from their gw1 days, and this is a change I can’t support. And for that, Anet just lost out on a $90 sale, and ensured that I probably won’t making any gem purchases for awhile(I had been eyeing up more than $50 worth of stuff). Makes you wonder how many more sales like that they lost.

Now if Anet were to come to their senses, and added a character slot to the standard version(even if just for veteran players like in GW1), then they could easily count on my purchase of the ultimate edition.

You made a moral choice sir

serenke.4806:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Vicariuz.1605:

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Will Lucky.8703:

Zappix.7928:

That expansion also didn’t come with new professions.

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

But those were not expansions, those were Stand Alone campaigns, they came with character slots for people with both. Eye of the North the only expansion didn’t come with slots.

1. In hindsight, they are called stand alone games because Anet later released EotN. They were very much billed as expansions at launch, and EotN required extra explanation in it’s marketing to go on about how it wasn’t stand alone like the other expansions. It was also cheaper than those games. We have to pay essentially the same price as base game at launch to now get 3 zones and no character slots. Which leads to my next point.
2. technically we are buying the base game again in addition to the expansion, which makes the comparison to the original class adding GW1 exspansions even more relevant since you still got some character slots for adding the stand alone expansions to your account. As it stands now, we are buying a 2nd account, and then having anet just throw it in the garbage for us. Giving us a measly 1 charecter slot from am entire account’s worth seems the least they could do.
3. If Anet even briefly glanced at their forums, which we know they do from the red posts, then they know the general assumption was 1 expansion slot for the expansion. The fact they did this without explanation is proof they know they are being kittens. I mean, how much does a new character slot even cost them to provide? They could have just included it in the price and not said anything and we would have been happy, but they had to rub in our faces that they are not giving us even a single free character slot.
4. None of this changes the fact that they lost out on 3 ultimate edition sales just in this short topic, and who knows how many more from the vast majority of players who silently logged off to not return, all because they insist on nickel and dimeing us. I can’t believe I’m they only one who is going to avoid buying gems with money until Anet makes this right.

So go ahead and nitpick about semantics to justify this terrible move on Anet’s part, but if this is the path they will be taking in the future…It has been a good 10 years, but I just don’t know…

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

Objectively wrong. They expanded on the guild wars title as a whole, and are there for expansions. Regardless if they are stand alone or not, they expanded the world of tyria and are GENUINELY expansions.

How is that objectively wrong? When someone says “expansion”, people dont automatically assume it’s a seperate game on it’s own that you can choose to join to another game. that is why we are clearing up the details. Call them an expansion but that doesn’t make you right. You are still wrong. If you are going to throw two very different things under the same name and get angry that Anet doesn’t treat them the same you are an idiot.

You aren’t clearing up ANY details. You’re arguing semantics over campaign or expansion. I’m actually very much so, NOT wrong, because the titles: Guild Wars: Factions and Guild Wars: Nightfall, AND Guild Wars: Eye of the North, all REALLY DID expand the title, which one would assume, labels them as, you guessed it, expansions.

So every item in the GW1 store (costumes, etc) was also an expansion because they expanded the title.

Then your definition of expansion is meaningless here. Goo job! It matters because people are using it as justification for why they deserve more character slots. Guess what? the original is Guild Wars: Prophecies. Titles are titles that means nothing for this discussion. There is a clear difference between Heart of thorns and christmas candy cane hammer skin. So how about we talk about actual game expansions?

T raw.4658:

Can we please stop calling HoT an expansion and call it by it’s true name DLC?

This.So much this.
The balance in the force has been restored.
HoT is for all intents and purposes DLC for GW2.

Extreme.8350:

Agree actually 2 character slot please anet !!!
ALSO im not paying 1 penny until we know game will be out

Its normally only one slot per new profession, the GW1 way.

I spent over 400$ on gemstore so far, but I will not pre-purchase or buy the expansion. Not until they show me that the expansion is really worth 50$, cause it’s definitely not worth it now.
Most likely I’m gonna wait for reviews first and buy it when it gets on sale. That is if it doesn’t get destroyed by the reviews.

We’re not getting any extra as veteran players because they already have our business and to experience any future LS you’ll need HoT. Seems like a save bet that you’ll end up buying it since as a veteran you have a lot invested in your account.

The insult comes when they don’t even include a character slot to enjoy part of the expac content you just paid for.

(reposting from another thread because if I was to get this, I’d get the 100$ one too)

I logged on today and Ive never seen the community of this game so toxic. Every chat from LA-TEQ-sPvP-and the few people in my guild that actually bothered to log on were all up in arms over this stuff.

I have 10 characters in ascended gear, played 6-7k hours on my account, purchased 2 bonus accounts when they were on sale for login dailies (one of’m even has a geared 80 on it so I can run certain dungeons twice a day if I feel like it), and I’ve spent around 500-600$ on gems since early release. Most of that money was in the first year, less the 2nd, and barely any in this last year because I’ve just been so upset at the direction of this game. I’ve also never spent nearly as much money as I have on other games (steam games and such) while also playing an MMO at the same time as this one. Ive had lots of friends flat out quit because of this announcement. Many of them giving away stuff on their accounts, and uninstalling. Lots of’m moving on to other MMOs like FF and AA. I try to convince people not to trash their accounts because they might come back (and they never did when other A.net stuff became an issue), but its honestly been an amazing game with 3 years of being ignored so A.net can cater to brand new players (China, NPE, Fractal rework). I mostly just login to do 1-4 dungeons in an hour or so assuming theres enough people around and move on to steam games.

I may not 100% know what is coming in HoT, but based on what we do know, its not a 50(+10)$ expansion. Honestly.. just tell me you’re doubling the amount of dungeons in this expansion and I’ll buy the 100$ version right now because that one offers the best deal. But as of now.. not only am I definitely not pre-ordering it, but I prolly wont even buy it. :_:

Zappix.7928:

People are talking about Factions (released 2 slots for Ritualist and Assassin) and Nightfall (2 slots for Paragon and Dervish).

Whilst this is an expansion, it’s releasing a new profession, the basic $50 version should come with at least 1 new slot as part of the package. It would fall in line with their previous way of releasing slots with the introduction of new profession/s. Regardless of if it’s a expansion or standalone.

Technically even, GW1 had an expansion that didn’t include new classes but still had 2 char slots. If you bought Factions or Nightfall first, then upgraded your account with Prophecy you’d get 2 slots for 0 new classes.

Automaton.4926:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Automaton.4926:

I don’t care what people say or think factions and the others were, they are stand alone games which didn’t require you to have the original. There for are not expansions. Simple. You are trying to murky the waters to prove your point.

I mean, even Anet refered to then as expansions at the time, but whatever. Let’s just call them stand alone games then.

Do you know what else is stand alone? GW2, and it turns out we are forced into buying an additional copy of that too. Following your logic: When I essentially bought an extra account in factions and nightfall, and merged it with my existing prophecies account, I received 2 character slots for each “stand alone game” account merged. For HoT we are currently looking at buying another stand alone account (core GW2) that can be merged with an existing account and getting nothing in return for this extra expense.

I could see how you could argue that it is anets right to price gouge on such a small thing, which is certainly a valid point, but it is crystal clear that this is a serious change in direction for the company. A change that only a fool, or someone on the payroll, could support. As I have said from the beginning: this is a matter of principal, not price.

They specifically stated you are not paying for the core game. the price is for HoT expansion.

I am holding off on buying the expansion cause i’m on the fence, but to make up and skew facts is stupid.

Free lunch! Yay!
Thank you ANet, for totally free 5 slots and base account added for free to my Heart of Thorns. They were always telling me there’s no such thing as a free lunch, but you clearly prove them all wrong! Yay, yay, yay!!!

serenke.4806:

So every item in the GW1 store (costumes, etc) was also an expansion because they expanded the title.

Exactly, I’m all hyped out about Guild Wars 2: Pet Rock and Guild Wars 2: Plumber Outfit.

Automaton.4926:

serenke.4806:

So every item in the GW1 store (costumes, etc) was also an expansion because they expanded the title.

Then your definition of expansion is meaningless here. Goo job! It matters because people are using it as justification for why they deserve more character slots. Guess what? the original is Guild Wars: Prophecies. Titles are titles that means nothing for this discussion. There is a clear difference between Heart of thorns and christmas candy cane hammer skin. So how about we talk about actual game expansions?

It isn’t his definition of expansion. It is a commonly agreed upon one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack

Factions/Nightfall were both “expandalones”

by definition so is HoT. An expansion which includes the core game. In fact you can’t purchase the core game anymore (from the online shop).

since, by definition, HoT is in the same category as Factions/Nightfall drawing conclusions from their similarities and differences is quite reasonable.