Guild Wars 2

I understand expansions are paid but there are some things that were promised to us years ago and now i see they ve been advertised all over the HoT discussions and previews such as Precursor crafting and new legendaries

Personally i will buy the expansion i just want to simply know how much exactly will be exclusive to the expansion and how far the gap between free players and those that buy the expansion is

I don’t think anything will be F2P. If you have purchased GW2 then you can play everything up to HoT(Basically where we are now)

If you buy Hot then you can play everything in HoT. This includes the new story.

As for new legendarys and precursors, they should technically be for anyone with the materials, but if the masteries to “make” them require Hot, then you gotta buy it.

Say in WoW, you don’t expect to get new gear from the expansion, without actually buying the Xpac

all basic things HoT exclusive are only for HoT, things like the trait refab is for everyone that owns GW2 even without HoT but specializations are AFAIK only for HoT.

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

JLHiggs.6258:

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

and what if i am planning on proving you wrong, still irrelevant then?

sorudo.9054:

and what if i am planning on proving you wrong, still irrelevant then?

Yes, you won’t be representative of the player base writ large.

sorudo.9054:

JLHiggs.6258:

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

and what if i am planning on proving you wrong, still irrelevant then?

How will you prove him wrong? By not buying the expansion and still playing the base game? That would be relevant to you, yes, but the few players who won’t buy it and don’t just quit are statistically irrelevant, which I think was JLHiggs point.

JLHiggs.6258:

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

It is not a fruitless argument, because it may in fact affect how many players will quit.

Pifil.5193:

sorudo.9054:

JLHiggs.6258:

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

and what if i am planning on proving you wrong, still irrelevant then?

How will you prove him wrong? By not buying the expansion and still playing the base game? That would be relevant to you, yes, but the few players who won’t buy it and don’t just quit are statistically irrelevant, which I think was JLHiggs point.

nice, so you work at Anet crunching numbers?

It’s an expansion. You don’t get anything from the expansion in the base game without the expansion.

You don’t get the precursor collections for current, nor new legendaries, cause they’re gated behind masteries which are exclusive to the expansion. You don’t get the story nor the zone. You don’t get any specialties, not the ones introduces with HoT nor the ones that will come in the future. You don’t get the new class.

That’s how expansions work. It’s not a reasonable question.

Astralporing.1957:

It is not a fruitless argument, because it may in fact affect how many players will quit.

Who cares? Anyone who is a somewhat serious player will buy the expansion and continue playing. More new players will flood in as the Xpac gets press, reviews, and word of mouth. Those who go missing? They’re not the people who use this forum. They’re not the people who you see often in your guild. They’re basically invisible now, and this theoretical argument about them has little bearing on any of us.

Astralporing.1957:

JLHiggs.6258:

This entire conversation is irrelevant. There will be effectively no non-HoT players in the game a couple months after it drops. The remainder will buy the game or quit. This is a relatively fruitless argument about a hypothetical.

It is not a fruitless argument, because it may in fact affect how many players will quit.

Players quit for a lot of reasons, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do something.

the way i see it the fact that there will be an expansion is all the more reason free players should get an incentive to not get left way far behind and thus things like precursor crafting is a blow between the legs with a warhammer specially as its been promised since before Ascended weapons and maybe even fractals came out to begin with

theres no excuse to neglect non expansion buyers from having Basic features the whole new profession and legendary skins and maps etc i find aceptable to be exclusive but not the whole crafting upgrade

think about it how fair would it be if Example: HoT Warriors had initiative system and their 100b became unblockable how would combat be fair then between new warrior vs old warriors ?

as i said im not asking for players to get free expansion heck anet adds new content or fixes on a monthly basis so free players wont be completely left out . but its unreasonable to forget about non HoT buyers completely.

Rezzet.3614:

I understand expansions are paid but there are some things that were promised to us years ago and now i see they ve been advertised all over the HoT discussions and previews such as Precursor crafting and new legendaries

Personally i will buy the expansion i just want to simply know how much exactly will be exclusive to the expansion and how far the gap between free players and those that buy the expansion is

In my experience based on other MMOs, there will be virtually no gap. I would like to see what you are “claiming” that they promised. I have followed the developers post and comments since release. I have yet to see them “promise” anything. They have suggested that some things were not off the table, that they were looking into something, that they would discuss something, but never promised anything.

Rezzet.3614:

the way i see it the fact that there will be an expansion is all the more reason free players should get an incentive to not get left way far behind and thus things like precursor crafting is a blow between the legs with a warhammer specially as its been promised since before Ascended weapons and maybe even fractals came out to begin with

I would like to see you provide a link to anything that suggest they “promised” anything. You are simply being dishonest.

Rezzet.3614:

theres no excuse to neglect non expansion buyers from having Basic features the whole new profession and legendary skins and maps etc i find aceptable to be exclusive but not the whole crafting upgrade

Umm, yes, yes there is. Precisely the way every other MMO in history that has had an expansion does. Stop implying they are doing some faux pas, they are following a genre standard.

Rezzet.3614:

think about it how fair would it be if Example: HoT Warriors had initiative system and their 100b became unblockable how would combat be fair then between new warrior vs old warriors ?

What does fair have to do with it? Is it fair that your making claims and accusations about details you know little about? Or the fact that your dishonestly claiming they “promised” something that they did not. Given some of your untrue statements, you do not have much ground on the matter of “fair”.

Rezzet.3614:

as i said im not asking for players to get free expansion heck anet adds new content or fixes on a monthly basis so free players wont be completely left out . but its unreasonable to forget about non HoT buyers completely.

You appear to be having difficulty discerning the difference between objective fact, and subjective opinion. Simply because you claim something is unreasonable, doesn’t make it so true for all. If that was the case, by your own example of how things should work, if a single poster felt you were being unreasonable, then you have to stop posting on this issue.

Or as the wise sage Sevens the Lucky once said.

And case in point
Guild Wars 2 has never been F2P…
It is Buy to Play
You buy the base game you play the base game
You buy the xpac you play the xpac

And case in point
Guild Wars 2 has never been and never will be F2P…
It is Buy to Play
You buy the base game you play the base game
You buy the xpac you play the xpac

Expansions don’t always work that way — there is sometimes a little bit of mechanical content that spills over to people who don’t buy the expansion.

So, I do think it is a reasonable question.

It is entirely possible that the devs don’t yet know how things will work for people who don’t buy the expansion. However, their blog post on masteries suggests that you wouldn’t be able to get masteries without buying the expansion and precursor collections are unlocked via masteries.

If I were in charge, I would give away masteries for the original areas for free but you would need to pay for masteries in the new areas (implicitly because you can’t go into the new areas). That way, each expansion has a set of masteries independent of each other and you don’t need the first expansion to buy the (hypothetical) second expansion.

There’s a tension between pleasing your customers and encouraging your customers to give you more money. Giving some masteries and some precursor crafting ensures a loyal customer base that wants to give you money to support your continued existence (as well as get more content in the new regions).

I expect there will be a bit for those who don’t buy the expansion. The WvW borderland map is a prime example of something that I think they would be nuts to lock behind the expansion. If they did, WvW population would decrease quite a bit, especially for the first couple of months while people are still saving in some cases to get the expansion.

Most things though, will likely be locked behind the paid expansion.

I’m sure the WvW borderland will be free visiting a GH will be free (maybe not buying one though) the new SPVP game mode should be free but maybe not without a GH?
specializations depend on how much impact they have on SPVP maybe free there but locked in PVE?

I can’t say anything for certain but this seems the most likely.

Also guild halls would be kinda weird to be locked behind xpac imo, since well one of the things they mentioned were that they were a place to gather to organize guild missions… well that wouldn’t quite work if ½ the guild (or however many dont have the xpac in the guild) cant access it

well i would be surprised if the new wvw map was locked